Fair enough. While I think Sunday's game will be a tough game to win, I'm hoping we get great performances out of both players, and it turns a bit into winner takes POY. Of course Kaminsky goes out last night and plays a great game yesterday. I really look forward to seeing the votes breakdown on how easy he wins it. I hope it's not a landslide.
I upvoted both you and BrutusB, I don't question Frank's numbers at all - they're legit. I think Frank delivered exactly what we all expected out of him, Russell has exceeded expectations. Russ is a half-assist/gm away from leading his team in every major statistical category. We're Rutgers this season without him. Wisconsin still top 5 in B1G without Frank. If you remove the bureaucracy and all of the other indirect elements of the how people vote for the award, I think Russell would win it in my humble opinion. That's all.
I dole out plenty of fair criticism and objective opinion for OSU (admittedly not much on 11w, due to the overwhelming outrage police here that instantly down votes for anything not absolutely positive regarding OSU players, coaches, administrative staff, etc) and don't think it's being overly 'homer' to think Russell deserves POY. It's debatable, I'll give you that.
D.Russell is the B1G player of the year - without question. Conley wasn't in the discussion. Now, of course, this year the coaches and media will give it to Frank Kaminsky because our conference regularly allows politics to overrule logic and we do things like trying to give the award to upper classman at all costs. Evan Turner lost a POY to Kalin Lucas which was highway robbery he should've won back-to-back POY. And though a closer argument, you could easily argue Sully deserved POY either of his years in college over JuJaun Johnson and Draymond Green.
Russell just turned 19 last week. You better appreciate what you're seeing right before you. The kid is must-see tv. Who knows if any of it transfers to the NBA, that's another conversation for another day.
Conley got the play with the best collection of talent on one roster in OSU history. They were literally 9 guys deep with 2 1st rd NBA guys (not including Conley), 4 more borderline NBA guys (Jamar, Ron Lew, Othello Hunter, Lighty), and 2 more guys who'd be starting on this years team (Ivan Harris, and Twigs Terwilliger). The question was freshman vs. freshman. Conley was a great talent, but he never had pressure to deliver. The Xavier game in the tourney cemented his legacy forever - but his NBA success is what has immortalized him here in Columbus. It's not like he tore it up all season, he showed how valuable he was during March Madness. Let's not forget most of the city thought Conley should've stayed one more year in college, which was crazy with his stock as high as it was.
Conley was damn good on the best team I've ever seen at OSU...the answer for this question here is Russell.
Ramzy, you continue to keep feeding us top shelf content...and I'll continue to devour it
Nobody has had Matta's number like Tressel had Carr's, so it was a far-reaching comparison IMO. Izzo isn't slick. It was a compliment, but a slight backhanded one, too.
And the stretch run is in full effect. Welcome to March, ladies and gentlemen.
My boy Twigs!
Hopefully Schutt, Munger, and Hill can take a step forward like Curtis Grant finally did at LB.
Now Meyer wants to focus on defensive line depth. Guess what’s getting fixed this off-season.
Couldn't have said it better. Consider it done.
Agreed. I also loved "Winter Swollstice"
We've got enough memories from this team to last a lifetime! Beating sparty was huge, the obliteration of Wisconsin was huger, and the bullying of Alabama was hugest! Ask anyone who knows me, I was supremely confident going into Oregon. Had we lost that game, I knew it would only have to do with us beating ourselves. We tried to beat ourselves anyway...and still won by 3 touchdowns. Will be tough to ever beat...
This article is great. There's been so much talent to play for the Scarlet and Gray the past 20yrs. I feel the need to call out Jamar Butler as one of those overlooked. He had a great freshman year on a team that had 2 senior guards. He was arguably the best PG in the Big Ten his sophomore year, shining over many senior PGs on other top Big Ten teams. He seemed destined to be a lottery pick at that time, similar game and style of Deron Williams who just turned pro a year earlier. Then at the start of his junior year came a guy named Conley...and the rest is history...
I wonder if the fact Scoonie was a transfer, and thus never having a freshman year at OSU, played into it. O'Brien did recruit him, so technically it counts - but it would've been at Boston College
Couldn't agree more. During Rivalry week I spoke exactly about that on 11w. I was so pleased that they were wearing the traditional unis
THOUGHT OF THE DAY...WHICH COVERS THE PAST 14 YEARS:
LET THE 10 YEAR WAR 2.0 BEGIN!
Let the 10 year war 2.0 begin...
Is that you over there, Harbaugh? Sorry I couldn't see you, all this confetti in the air makes it hard to see
Let's just let this all play out. The truth will come out. Try to only follow the facts, not speculation (on both sides). At the end of the day
If Devin does what he's capable in the 40...watch out #STOCKSURGES
Thought for sure I'd see some 12 gauge creativity, but maybe it's still too early to link Buckeye student-athletes and tattoos, lol.
I really hope Kam gains the confidence to just go out and play ball. I thought Thad should've had him in the last 3-4 minutes when Purdue took control of the game. Maybe he hasn't earned Thad's trust in big moments yet. I toured the VCA with Scoonie Penn, just days after the Tourney loss to Dayton last March - and saw Kam getting some work in with Greg. That soon after the season was over...fell in love with the kid right there on the spot! Enjoy:
KBD is still developing it seems. They seem to love his upside, and from what I've seen this year he will be able to knock down 3s at a decent clip down the road. He looks like he's just lacking any signs of confidence when he's on the court. It'll come.
Fair enough. You bring up some good points. The fact that Florida thought they were going to land him, and we did is a win in a couple different regards. He's clearly frustrating to us both with his ups and downs - just shows we're passionate about it. He's still got 6 weeks to add to the ups, as does the rest of the seniors, so we'll see how they close their careers out.
Respect to you for good banter, and no down votes. A+ in my book.
I work with an alarmingly high amount of Penn St. grads, and they're all pretty excited about how they did on NSD. This class, and the next couple will be critical for MSU to see if they have any true staying power as a B1G power, I just think it's going to be tough. Tons of Buckeye residue in Lansing, so we'll see how it plays out.
Urbz has it rollin. The turnaround has been incredible. In the B1G, we're the tortoise AND the hare!
Thoughtful insight right there, I like it. He grew leaps and bounds during his time at OSU. R.I.P Brent.
How unreasonable was my comment compared to anything you want to throw out? Have you read some of the stuff said about Amir in the MEDIA - let alone in the forums? I already know you have. I stand by my comments 100%, and aren't just coming out of thin air. Being good friends with a not-so-distant former Buckeye hoops captain - if you want to try to connect the dots, surely doesn't make me the gospel of analysis - but we're all entitled to our opinion and write about it here. We can agree to disagree, but good hands, flexibility, agility, center of gravity, and balance are things where you can safely conclude fall into the category of coordination.
You can lead the 'outrage police' charge elsewhere where it may be appropriate to bring it up. I don't cross any lines.