I try to keep the expectations tamped down in my mind, but it's hard. It's hard. I fight it every day.
Just seeing that top picture of Coach Meyer in the OSU gear has me jacked for the season to start.
FANTASTIC POST BY @STEAKNSTIFFARMS!
All the discussion of what the punishment should have been really is moot at this point. The important takeaway of the USC comparison is that USC remains competitive and squished Oregon's national championship dreams in Eugene. This model of doubling-down on what personifies USC Trojan football has gotten HUGE results in the last year. Hiring Kiffin made absolutely no sense in my mind at the time ("why would you bring one of the cheaters in to shepherd the school out of the woods?" kind of thing), and now it appears to be brilliant, as USC has said that they just simply don't care what anybody thinks, as long as they have continuity on the scoreboard, the recruiting, the attitude, and the style of play.
We have it worse off than USC in some regards, but OSU is the same in others. Unlike USC, the media is not our friends. But like USC, the NCAA is not our friends. Like USC, the fans of other schools/teams in the B1G are not our friends. USC appears to have living in purgatory figured out. Why not adopt this model (sans the perpetuation of the cheating that USC probably has continued)? The sooner we adopt the us-versus-the-world attitude that USC brings to the sport every week, the more we adopt that swagger in the face of those who hate us, the better off we'll be.
They hated OSU, Coach Tress, and the fans before all this happened. With Urban Meyer getting hired and now cleaning up in recruiting, this has only getten worse, and the crying and wailing over "the cheaters" will only get louder, our enemies will only get more obnoxious and spiteful. All this garbage is only going to escalate, and Mark May's stupid face will only spew more diarrhea by the day, with each win OSU gets in 2012. I say the best way to counter it is to adopt more of the attitude Barkley shows when he's got that stupid sword in his hand. I hate USC, but you have to respect how good they are in the face of adversity. These guys have being hated by the world all figured out. Us OSU fans are pretty good at the same, but I think there's another level to be reached, given our predicament.
In short, this is exactly how I want it to look after TSUN comes into Ohio Stadium with big BCS aspirations, and proceeds to get it handed to them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_iMupOFWzE&feature=related.
Not comparing OSU to USC in terms of crimes, but there are pages to be pulled from the USC playbook. OSU is going to bring a talented football team to the stadium this November to play a team from up north that will probably be thinking about BCS games and B1G titles. More than what USC did to UCLA, I say we make the USC win over Oregon the framework for The Game. Oregon was looking at going to the national championship until they got Trojaned. Let's do the same to those dirtbags from up north. Crush their every little hope or dream for the year with a humiliating defeat. 2012 is a one-game season...maybe we can't go bowling, but can sure as can be do our part to keep TSUN away from their adorable little hopes and dreams. Run the score. Show them up north how worthless they still are.
Go Bucks. Now more than ever. Let's cut down some nets in April for good measure as well.
I love Coach Tress, despite all the intrigue. But I always felt like he was a PG-13 recruiter...nice guy who we could cheer for and feel good about, but he always struggled closing out on the big national fish (MoC and the deuce of whom I won't speak). With Coach Meyer, looks like Ohio State has itself a rated R guy. To paraphrase Swingers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117802/quotes), at this point with all the garbage that's swirling around, I want the R guy, both on the field and in recruiting.
Thanks, Chief. It's ok on #2 jersey; my kids mean the best for me, they didn't anticipate a huge scandal when they bought it. I wear it anyway, because they love it. But right now, I would be all kinds of primed for a Sully #0. Went to game against Wright State last Friday. Timeout is called, Sully goes to bench, fives for head coach, assistant coaches, players, grad assistants, towel boys....and turn the corner and give five to cheerleader, cheerleader, cheerleader, Brutus, cheerleader. Crafty does the same thing. Team culture being built there. If Sully stays for 3-4 years...
Chief, I'm a fan of what you post on the site, and I agree with you on other great #2s, but everybody on the planet--that little, old lady in Kroger--knows who wore that commemorative jersey, and will ask me if I'm ok with what Pryor did to Ohio State. I don't hate TP, but he lied to Ohio State and to the NCAA when he signed forms as an incoming freshman that said he wouldn't do what he wound up doing, and his legacy will last for years as a blemish for Ohio State.
The failure is not that it was a male who walked into the locker room shower, versus a woman, it's that the male did not choose to act as a man. Bill Maher says at least 17 different chauvenistic...or filthy (c---, for example)...words to describe various women he doesn't like, don't know if that's the right example to hold up for the virtues of women. Maher must feel like he needs to get some redemption with the ladies or something.
This really is simply fantastic writing. 11W top to bottom does the best sports coverage of anything I read, lucky to have them cover my school, rather than scUM. All the writers are talented, and bring different things to the table, but being a (albeit sucky) philosopher myself, Ramzy's stuff is what gets my attention.
This article is so true on how the sports crowd (bundle everything in entertainment-sized morsels, rather than real information...i.e., espn) cried bloody murder over OSU, but appeared not to have any time for any sorts of allegations of funny stuff at PSU. There's no proportionality at all. Media has had their hate on for tOSU since Woody, I believe.
But the more important point: I suffered my way through MoC, Troy Smith, other players who were in the doghouse, got in trouble, and eventually through Coach Tress. Over 10 years, I found myself taking up for my team because I was a fan, and because I really believed (and still do, in comparison) that what OSU had was special, and there was a measure of integrity on the part of my school and the football program at my school. I still don't know how I feel about it now, having gone back and forth, but Ramzy has properly educated me: no more blind eye to the funny business. No more making legalistic arguments or petty excuses for when you see TPeezy pull up in his seventh car to have transportation around a campus that's very heavily trafficked by the campus bus system. No more blind eye to what lengths administrators, coaches, and players will go to in order to cast a blind eye upon the little problems. Enough little problems, and you start letting big stuff slide, so long as the wins keep coming.
I don't want this to come off as preaching, but I think there's a lesson for us fans here as well: out of love for our school, our team, our state, and our own personal reputations as fans, I say that we stop accepting anything less than excellence in the conduct of our athletic department. It might be a big job for them, but this is why administrators get paid the big bucks. At the end of the day, I don't give a flip about how much money the school makes on jersey sales. I care that the jersey is something I can be proud to wear in front of my kids. My children bought me a 1942 #2 for last Christmas. On Christmas day, it was humiliating for all involved, because of what Terrelle Pryor had done. I'm still upset about this.
Wins are great, especially against Michigan, but integrity--having a program and a team we can cherish for the positives, without lowering our eyes when others point out our crimes--matters a lot more. College football at large needs a lot more accountability. It won't happen until the bad actors are punished to the point where they can't afford to be in the business if they don't do it right. It starts with our choices to buy tickets and merchandise. Whatever tOSU does with its coaching decision, we should insist on integrity before all else.
The rating system makes sense to me. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with going after coaches, both head and assistants, and the AD is certainly fair game...especially now. Oh, and the zebras too if the really boff a call.
If fans turn on players, and the boo-birds come out during a game when it's obviously not over a bad call or an opponent, what does that say to recruits attending these games? Both football and basketball recruits attend these games. I can't help but think that, if the fans are supportive of the team both in good times and bad, that it makes a much better impression than fans who boo Buckeyes.
Basketball is coming. There is a light at the end of the tunnel; it happens after the scUM game.
Awesome post. Awesome post.
Awesome call on Lauderdale. A bunch of players would have thrown a fit over that. But not classy Lauderdale. Great observation!
You have to have some sense in order to come to your senses!
Nah, I know. I've got some personal UK issues to work out. Just can't stand 'em.
I can't knock Tebow, but do you think you can make an argument that he changed much between freshman and senior years? Seems like he was pretty much the same person all 4 years, same level of talent, didn't really develop from 1 year to the next, because he was already pretty much fully formed. Tressel--and Matta-- do something different. They develop players differently. I just don't think it's the same thing.
The other thing is that Tebow was a first round draft pick with a future of some sort in the NFL. So it's not really the same thing.
This was one of the most emotional defeats in years for me. I don't think the Florida loss in the NC was this bad. Wisconsin in football was pretty rough. But this one was as if Mola Ram Calipari ripped my heart out of my chest and showed it to me before I died. Or maybe where I could have cut my own heart out and run in through the garbage disposal for breaking so painfully over this.
This thing with UK was like an epic good-vs-evil struggle, and the guys in the white hats just didn't come through. And you put football problems on top of it, and it starts feeling like the worst month of Ohio State sports in years.
But there are takeaways to be happy about. Our University's athletic department still grows up young men better than all these others. Here's an example: Dielber will go down next to Krenzel and Sanzenbacher for me. Guys who don't seem like they're quite as talented as the others, and probably don't have serious pro prospects, but grew up into GREAT Buckeyes we can be proud of...and, more important than sports, have great LIFE prospects. When's the last time you heard an SEC fan brag about how their school develops guys who have great life prospects? That is actually what really matters with this stuff. Go Bucks! Go THE Ohio State University.
I just simply don't feel like I get the same experience from ESPN that you do, but I reallly appreciate that you are countering honestly. You're right about Lou and Lee Corso. Both of them seem really fair. I think some of them is that both of them are former coaches, and are just more reserved when it comes to bashing kids in general. You never really hear those two rip into players at all, thinking about it. I would love to be wrong with my big conspiracy, because I'd love a fair shake for my team, but I just don't believe it will happen with ESPN.
Great writeup. So hope Bucks cut down nets in Houston and make it all go away! Need a synchronized swimming win too!
The issue that personally rubs salt in my Herbstreit wound (largely because I really liked the guy 7-9 years ago) is the Cam Newton to Terrelle Pryor criticism ratio. Pryor sold his Gold Pants (not good, not right, but not illegal). Newton had the controversy with his dad, but let's not forget that he was also kicked out of Florida for cheating. But no matter. Newton gets milk and honey, sunshine and grace by ESPN while playing against Oregon and throughout the pre-draft buildup. Pryor gets called out by a commentator 20 years his senior who insists on essentially being dubbed "Mr. Loyalty" by those around hiim. Regardless of what people's feelings are about Pryor (I personally think he's awfully talented, he wants to win really badly, but he has some fundamental immaturities that limit his leadership potential), the Newton to Pryor bash ratio is disproportionate on the part of ESPN (and Herbstreit personally), and creates an artificial imbalance in standards of acceptable behavior on the part of viewers and listeners. There's no way Pryor stacks up to Newton when it comes to for-real-no-kidding bad behavior, $180K to daddy not withstanding, and yet one is lauded while the other is dogged with constant criticism.
Of course, nobody at the worldwide leader will cop to this, but this absolutely smacks of an agenda, and the guy who claims to be a defender turns out to either be silent, or the guy who chucks the first spear.
I say time to move on. Don't ever look for love--or even fairness--from ESPN. Not as long as the Big Ten partners with Fox for their network. And Ohio State wears the big bullseye by dominating the Big Ten. But the other point is this: whenever OSU fans bash on Pryor, you can count on ESPN picking up on it, and then attacking the school at large. Maybe it's time to lay off our own wounded, and defend the university and our team...all of it...against the cheap shots.
Just my 2 cents on this.
This is along the lines of how I see it as well. Don't like 24 hour news (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) because they drum up garbage and pound on it all day? Take a look at the cable sports "news" monopoly! ESPN has no real competitors anymore, can't even get a different point of view. At least there's BTN!
Betting most of that has to do with the win-loss records against each other. Of course they want Coach Tress gone...9-1.
Heard it in my "welcome to campus" talk offered up by one of the deans. It was in January 2000...but YOU KNOW we've held onto that distinction!
Absolutely ticked about those 9! Enraged!
For the next month...we need to do our part for OUR Buckeyes. From here on out, until we cut down those nets in Houston. All sports. All the events on campus. I don't care if we have an intramural game of yahtzee going against Capital or Otterbein. We...all of us...need to make sure they remember forever the night they played the Buckeyes!
You know what, this is a great writeup, and EXACTLY the shot in the arm I needed. People are running us down right now, but darnit, we're still BUCKEYES! That still MEANS SOMETHING! We dominate in a bunch of sports, our mens basketball team is #1! Our womens basketball team won the Big Ten! Our other sports are competitive...our fine ladies of synchronized swimming trounce the others, our cheerleaders are still hotter (with classier uniforms), our stadium is bigger and better, we win like crazy in a whole mess of sports, but wait, there's more...
The Ohio State University is a major research university that is ranked #1, #2, or #3 in more majors than any other in the world. The research contributions, the folks who attend and get educated there, and the work our professors do in engineering, science, agriculture, and the arts and humanities offers something to the world.
For pete's sake, people, now's not the time to cry in the corner and worry about what happens next! Now's the time to take the initiative...to make 'em just deal with it, to sing the praises of this fine school, to double down on enthusiasm, to remind everybody of who we STILL are! We mess up every now and then, but we are still better than the others.
At the end of the day, boys and girls, they hate us. Why do they hate us? Because losers hate winners! The sooner we understand this, the sooner we're free from the bondage of the knuckleheads who mean nothing more than to hurt us, by any means they can get away with. They want us to fail. And they see that hoops team, and hate us even more. We need to be proud and stand up to this cloud they're trying to hang over the heads of everybody who cares about the university...our university...OUR OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY!
Phone's ringing. It's WOODY on the line. He wants something from you. He needs something from you. He needs you to shake this off! He needs you to back your team, now more than ever! It's time to double down on the support for your team. The basketball team needs us to back 'em, even if we're hurting! We are on the verge of supporting our team to ANOTHER championship! Now's not the time to run. Now's the time to earn the right to wear that OSU #0 or #33 with that NATIONAL CHAMPION logo on it!
LET'S GET IT DONE! Let's go for 2...because we can't go for 3!
#GoBucks #DoubleDown! #Woody4Ever!