The 2008 game against USC was almost as unwatchable as the national championship game against Florida.
And they lost to a bad team in their conference. Their defense had a lot of trouble stopping everybody. I am calling it the way I see it NAVYBuckeye91. Alabama's lost to LSU (#1 against #2 a 3point game) was a far more better lost than OK ST losing to Iowa St.
The word is definitively, meaning without a shadow of a doubt Champions of their conference, we will never know because they did not play a conference championship game. OK.ST did not deserve to play for a national title because they lost to a bad team late in the year, and obviously someone agrees.
If OSU had lost to VT late in the year instead of early in the year, the committee would not have selected OSU over TCU regardless of OSU winning the big. OSU did not lose another game after the VT loss and proceeded to go on a long winning streak including an impressive blowout win over Wisconsin in the Big Championship game. You mentioned Alabama did not win the SEC in 2011 and that is true, however can you definitively say OK ST won the Big12? The Big 12 did not have a conference championship in 2011 and still do not today.
What are you talking about? OSU did win the Big that year. They loss to VT. the second game of the year and did not lose again; they beat Wisconsin in the Big title game thus winning the big. MSU did lose to Nebraska, however they are in different divisions; OSU and MSU are in the same division so when OSU lost to MSU it prevented them from playing for the Big title and thus the national title.
Oklahoma State was winning that game 24-7 early in the 3rd quarter. Did they finally realize that staff members were killed on a plane and decided to shut it down?
Still does not change the fact that Ok State lost to very mediocre ISU team. If Ok state would have beaten ISU then we would not be having this discussion; they would have played for a national title, but since they did not take care of business, they have no one to blame but themselves and the same can be said about OSU this past season. OSU lost to VT in the beginning of the year; you are not penalized as much as you would be if you lose late in the year. Had OSU lost to VT late in the year they would have never got the chance to play Alabama or Oregon. I do not understand your logic about Tom Herman helping OSU win a title. How does that factor into this discussion Do you believe just because he was on staff at ISU means they were not a very mediocre team and that they were a good team?
Alabama's win over PSU (9-4) (they won their bowl game) was still more impressive than Oklahoma's win over a mediocre Texas A&M team (30-29). Oklahoma State beat up on a power house Louisiana Ragin Cajun team and a power house like Tulsa. They beat a bad Kansas Jayhawk team, and a bad Texas Tech team and of course a mediocre Iowa State cyclone team. It should not have mattered where they played the cyclones because if they were that great they would not have lost to them. Go back and check most of the scores of their games; They had absolutely no defense. They could not stop anybody. Alabama's win over Arkansas and of course the win over LSU was better than any win OK St had. The only reason OK state beat Stanford was because Stanford's Kicker on Two occasions missed 20 something yard field goals even that game was a shootout. The committee like the BCS still weighs late season losses i.e. Ohio state this past season. I don't believe the committee would have given OK State the nod over Alabama. If a very mediocre team like Iowa State could handle OK State, I definitely believe Alabama and LSU could have easily beaten them. The Big 12 conference as whole does not play defense and I never put my money on a team that cannot play defense.
Read my statement carefully before you reply. No where in it did I say I thought OSU and Michigan should have had a rematch. "I said too bad OSU did not get a rematch against Michigan because if they had the game would have been a lot more competitive and OSU probably would have beaten Michigan again." How is that showing Michigan colors, and where is the contradiction? I brought the OSU- Michigan scenario up because it would have happen if coach Meyer had not made a compelling argument for Florida. Would you really have had a problem with the BCS if OSU and Michigan had played for the title and OSU won? The BCS got it right in 2006 and got it right in 2011. Who was better than Alabama and LSU in 2011?
I agree, we can agree to disagree. The goal of the BCS was to match up the two best teams against one another and in my cheap seats opinion, (LOL) Alabama and LSU were the two best teams that year; I cannot think of any other teams that were better. It is too bad that OSU did not get that rematch against Michigan because it would have been a lot more competitive game, and OSU probably would have beaten Michigan again. Coach Meyer has not adapted to anything. He has been coaching the same type of football since he has become a head coach first at Bowling Green, then at Utah, and then at Florida, and now at OSU and he should not because he has been very successful and the same goes for coach Saban.
I could argue those undefeated regular season buckeye teams of 2012 and 2013 were inflated because they played a weak schedule, but it is what it is. In 2011/2012 Alabama and LSU were the two best teams, when they played one another in that regular season, LSU was #1 and Alabama was #2. LSU won a close game 9 to 6 which is the way the out come should be if #1 and #2 truly are that. Some argued that Oklahoma State should have played LSU for the title, but they lost to an unranked Iowa state team late in the season thus killing their chance. In the 2006 game between OSU and Michigan OSU was #1 and Michigan was #2. OSU won a close game the way it should be when #1 and #2 battle it out. Michigan appeared on its way for a rematch against OSU for the national title, but coach Meyer lobbied strongly for his gators to get a chance to play for the championship and he got some people to change their minds and Florida was given the nod over Michigan. Would you have had a problem if Ohio State and Michigan had played for the National title? Coach Saban, and Coach Meyer are two of the best coaches of all time, and they have beaten each other in some meaningful games. They are 2-2 against each other. Going 12-1 in 2011 and 12-1 in 2012 in the regular season is not backing your way into anything.
Two of coach Meyer's NCs are also based on the BCS system.
You said "other SEC programs haven't won diddly squat." Besides Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Auburn have also won championships over the past 10 years.
Washington, Spence, and Schutt were coach Meyer's recruits.
I agree with you 100%
It appeared the big 12 was headed towards disbanding a few years ago when Texas A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, and Colorado all left and joined other conferences.
Interesting press conference by coach Saban and coach Dantonio.
Fickell interviewed for the Pittsburgh job at the end of the 2011 season and would have taken it had they offered it to him because there was an article that said "Fickell waiting on word from Pittsburgh" but Pitt hired a Wisconsin assistant.
What is even more astounding is coach Meyer being able to talk coaches who had been previously defensive coordinators into coming to OSU and sharing the defensive duties with Fickell.
SCARLATINA, there is an article back in 2011 stating "Fickell still waiting on word form Pittsburgh" that tells me if Pittsburgh would have offered him the job he would have taken it. He again applied for the Pittsburgh head coaching job last year and they turned him down again. I believe the FAU AD did offer Fickell the head coaching job, but as it turns out that AD had recently worked in OSU' s athletic department and was a friend of Fickell's so that doesn't count. I could be wrong, but I do not believe Fickell is going to get any offers.
Fickell applied for the vacant head coaching job at Ptt last year, but was not given an interview because Pitt wasted no time in hiring Pat Narduzzi. At the end of the 2011 when OSU hired coach Meyer, Pittsburgh had a hard time retaining head coaches and gave Fickell an interview along with several other candidates and choose a Wisconsin assistant. There is no record of Fickell being offered the DC position at Notre Dome.
He turned around the entire defense tackling, coverage etc.
I agree with you, but you may recall all Cardale did in mop-up duty was run with the ball, and he was very effective doing that. He has not been as effective this year running with the football. I recall only once this year where he looked good running, and that was against Minnesota when he ran up the middle for about a 40 yard touchdown.
OSU's offensive line play was subpar again today. Indiana's defensive front overall got the better of OSU's o-line,and that has been a reoccurring problem all year long so far. I know no changes on the o-line are going to be made, but I believe the root of the problem is the o-line play even more so than Cardale Jones.