IGinn's own teammates fell on him in jubilation after he took the opening kick of the game for a touchdown.
Coach Saban is now 5-1 in NCGs. 4-0 under the old BCS system and 1-1 under the new playoff system.
The game was very close and exciting, the way it should be when #1 and # 2 meet.
You did not mentioned historical in your first or second reply. All you said was Alabama was right up there before Saban. I don't know, but going from 4-9, and 3-8, 6-7 to winning 4 championships in 7 years is quiet impressive to me.
And again, you said in your first reply to me that MSU would not become Alabama of the north. How do you know? Is Coach Saban a great coach? Is he one of the best recruiters of all time? Does he recruit great nationally? High school kids believe if a particular coach can get them into the NFL, they will flock to him. The name of a school and its historical winning is secondary to a coaches reputation and his ability to win national championships Coach Saban and Coach Meyer are good examples of that. And again, answer my question, would Coach Meyer turn MSU into a recruiting powerhouse and make them a threat to win a championship? and how come every other coach in the SEC have not won titles based on your premise.
We are not talking from an historical standpoint. You are probably talking about back in the days of Bear Bryant. Hell Notre Dame historically were elite, Tennessee historically were elite, and so was USC, but where are those programs today especially ND and Tennessee? Before Coach Saban arrived, Alabama was not a top five winning program in the 1990s and early 2000s. I am sorry that I did not make it more clear, but I showed you what their record was in that time period, and for you to say they were right up without Coach Saban is up surd .
Your argument saying that Alabama was right up there before Saban arrived is the dumbest comment on the internet. I just pointed out to you that they were not by the mere fact of their record in the early 2000s. Coach Saban would turn MSU into a recruiting powerhouse because he is a tremendous recruiter and a great coach. He would recruit all over the country as he has done at Alabama. For example, Deshawn Hand, out of VA, Terrell Hall out of DC, Dereck Kief out of OH etc. high school kids would flock to MSU because they would know what he had done at Alabama. Why do you think Coach Meyer is able to get all of that great talent to come to OSU? it is not because of the OSU name, it is because of Coach Meyer. High school kids still remember what he did in Florida. I highly doubt that Coach Dantonio would win 4 national titles in 7 years at Alabama or any other place for that matter because he is no where near the coach or recruiter that Coach Saban is. What it boils down to in my opinion is you are trying to minimize coach saban's success. You still did not answer my questions. Do you think Coach Meyer would turn MSU into a recruiting powerhouse and make MSU a threat to win a national title, and how come every coach in the SEC has not won a national title based on your premise. Your orginal comment was comparing Coach Dantonio's time at MSU to Coach Saban's , I agreed with you if you read my statement carefully, and mine's was how much Coach Saban has grown since then.
"it was right up there even before Saban arrived" What planet were you living on? How many titles did they win in the early 2000s and the 1990s? Alabama was a mediocre team before Saban arrived; they were 6-7 in 2005, 6-6 in 2004, 4-9 in 2003, 10-3 in 2002, 7-5 in 2001,and 3-8 in 2000 need I say more. You still did not answer my questions, did not the coaches before Saban have those same resources he had and how come they did not win any titles? and how come based on your premise every other SEC coach has not won a title? and again Would Meyer turn MSU into a recruiting powerhouse and make them a threat to win a national title? You did not say the only reason Coach Saban has won is because of the talent-rich SEC, but you made it your opening statement.
If we go off your premise that Coach Saban has won only because he is in the talent-rich SEC region, then how come every coach in the SEC has not won a title if that is the only reason he has won? How good was Alabama before Coach Saban was hired? Did not the previous Alabama coaches have those same great resources and talent-rich area you speak of?
Have ever heard of coaches growing as time goes on ? Coach Saban is a good example of that, Coach Carroll is a good example of that, Coach Belicheck is a good example of that. Do I think he is a different coach or person than he was at MSU? I think he is a better coach no doubt. Where did I say he was going back to MSU in my statement.? You said "there's is no way to prove it either way" but then you turned around and said "if he did, it wouldn't suddenly become Alabama of the north" How do you know it wouldn't? since you put it that way. What's to stop him from bringing a great staff to MSU, and recruiting outstanding athletes from all over the country and getting the administration to improve the facilities? Would Coach Meyer turn MSU into a recruiting powerhouse and make them a threat to win a national title?
You make a good point. Coach Saban said that,but I believe the reason his team lost is because they were not a great team that year. their defense had too many shaky games that year.
Coach Dantonio has coached longer at MSU than Coach Saban did, but Dantonio's first five years at MSU were better than Saban's five year stint at MSU. Coach Saban's five year record at MSU was 34-24-1 compared to Coach Dantonio's first five years was 45-16, but if you take Coach Saban now how he has grown into a legend and send him back to MSU, MSU would become a recruiting powerhouse and a threat to win a national title every year.
When Coach Meyer decided to keep Luke Fickell, he said "Fickell will the plays on defense." The defense as a whole was bad in 2012 and 2013.
If a coach has a winning record against another coach, that does not necessarily mean he is a better coach. For example, if Dabo Swinney and Clemson beats Urban Meyer and Ohio state on December 31, he will be 2-0 vs. Coach Meyer. Does that mean he is a better coach than Coach Meyer? No he is not in my opinion. Coach Dantonio is 2-2 vs. Coach Meyer. Does that mean he is just as good of a coach as Coach Meyer? No he is not in my opinion, and if Coach Meyer gets the chance to play Coach Saban and beats him again in what would be the national champion game, I would still give Coach Saban a slight edge over Coach Meyer and if Coach Saban beats Coach Meyer in the national championship game, I would still give Coach Saban a slight edge. His edge would not increase. As I said above, Coach Saban 1, and Coach Meyer is 1A. They are 2-2 against one another; Coach Saban had a 2 game winning streak against Coach Meyer before the last game they played.
I do not believe Coach Saban hangs around for another 4-5 years, I believe it is more like 1-2 years. I could be rest wrong of course.
In opinion, Saban is 1, and Meyer is 1A
How can anything Saban or Meyer do be diminished? Saban has won 5 national titles in 5 tries, and Meyer has won 3 national titles in 3 tries. END OF STORY!
I agree. Missouri in the SEC is also a strange one.
It is too bad for teams like Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M are no longer in the Big 12 because they probably could have won it.
You are right, it was in Houston.
Oklahoma loss to both Ohio state and Houston at home, and neither game was close.
Now that Alabama team of 2 years ago truly was overrated. Their defense gave up 40 points several times that year. They were good, but certainly not great.
So you would not have had a problem with it if he had run onto the field and Peppers shoved him during the game.? You would be perfectly ok that? Anytime a fan runs onto the field of play they become a trespasser.They are taking a chance, and why run onto the field and say anything to Peppers? Peppers was approached; Schlegel was not. A security guard was right by, and again Schlegel should have let security handle it.
" he was helping security catch an intruder, not a fan"
He was an Ohio state engineering student attending the game, so he probably was a fan.
And Schlegel was a member of the team and he should have let security do what they were paid to do. They did not need his help.
That fan was an intruder and so was the fan that had the encounter with Peppers. The problem you have is a Michigan player shoving an OSU fan that had no business being on the field anyway., but you have no problem with a member of OSU putting a fan into a choke hold and slamming him into the ground. You are right. That fan was an intruder, but so was the fan that had that encounter with Peppers, bottom line is fans need to stay off of the field, and what difference does it make whether Schlegel was a graduate assistant? He was a member of the team and he assaulted a fan since you care so much about the fan's safety.