At its most basic points, its not terribly complicated. You put your hands around the ball and pull it in. Not terribly complicated. Theres also body positioning, leafning to high point, making catches in traffic, etc. That is what takes time. Most people posess the basic ability to catch a football. But coming from a guy who has played WR/TE at the college level, its not as simple as it may seem at face value.
Everyone says he should switch to wide receiver...but is it really that simple? Kid has grown up being a QB. Hasnt played any other position. And hes what, 25? Its a far cry from being a high school kid with freakish measurables and athletic ability being asked to switch. Hes been an NFL qb for a a couple years. Its not an easy transition for a guy who has focused evrry bit of energy on being a QB.
And also...can he even catch a ball? He may be fast and super huge. Both things are very good attributes for a WR. But so are hands. Does he even have any? I believe he said before he couldnt catch a football. Maybe thats the biggest part of it all...he doesnt think hed be able to catch passes.
Ive never had any issue with the way you handle yourself here M Man. At times, I think you may be a closet Buckeye fan. But I do know some people who are like what he characterizes all fans to be. Its no different than the blanket generalization of Ohio State fans. We are a bunch of idol worshipping fanatics who could care less about anything other than winning. I know some of those too.
That being said...Notre Dame fans are the absolute worst in my eyes. They throw the whole "win with character" and always tout the fact they have real scholar athletes out to anyone within earshot. They areny above the fray of modern college sports and its pitfalls. But dont tell them that...or be prepared to hear a diatribe about their proud history and academic superiority. Yet they wont even discuss the recent trend of academic impropriety, Kellys highly questionable decision to put a kid in a scissor lift during a widstorm or the blatant coverup of sexual assault. The arrogance there is real, and unbearable.
Rant over...youre good in my book M Man.
Precisely. With events like Student Appreciation Day, and this years fastest student competition, hes formed a bond with the students. How awesome would it be to have the opportunity to run against the elite athletes on he turf at Ohio Stadium be? In front of 70k fans? And he also repeatedly states that this Ohio's team, and it belongs to the students and fans.
Urban gets it...its about atmosphere. How many recruits do we read about on this site recapping their visits that cite the atmosphere and craziness of The Shoe as something that stood out? And to get that kind of atmosphere, you need the most vocal part of the fanbase to be there and get it going. Thats why you need the students to buy in and feel like a part of whats going on every Saturday.
You know better than I do about the way he was treated during his tenure. He was way too cutting edge for the stodgy throwbacks around your program, and the conference as a whole. Which means he was never fully accepted by the people he desperately needed to have in his corner to succeed. He wasnt a Michigan Man. He was running an offense that would "never work" in the Big Ten. He was far too candid and open...not a canned ham, coach speak robot. He was, in short, the breath of fresh air needed in Ann Arbor to jump start a stale program that was stuck in the glory days of power football. Its just no one was willing to accept him and give him the support and resources he needed to turn it around. I would say he had one foot out the door the whole time he was there, but that would insinuate they ever let him in to begin with.
He inherited a train wreck? Really? He inherited a team that had enough talent to go 11-2 and win a BCS game. Once that talent graduated or matriculated to the NFL, they steady decline began. He won with Rich Rods players. Simple as that. No one wants to give him any credit, but he built that roster that had everyone feeling so good about Hoke. And once Hoke got "his players" was when the glaring inability to develop talent started to rear its ugly head. And turned into what youre seeing on the field now.
You were also pretty critical of Rod Smith. Who, by all measures, had a nice night as well with limited touches. And as far as arguing the point with you, it wasnt what you were trying to say...it was how you said it. And up to that point, no RB really had enough of a body of work to say who was the best. I will say that EzE had a whale of a game and showed good drive in getting extra yards and a solid birst in getting to the edge. He showed hes worthy of being the number 1 back. Smith also showed hes worthy of getting a chunk of touches as well.
I wont argue whos the better back...they are both different in their skill sets. EzE was clearly the most impressive back in the stable Saturday night. All around. That was never my argument with you...it was the fact you had nothing good to say about Smith. I think Smith took a syep in earning a few more touches than he had been getting.
And the biggest thing about all of it is that the offensive line really took a big step Saturday. They owned the LOS and were giving guys running lanes and Barrett time to knit a sweater in the pocket moat of the night. Thats what excites me most...that a group of guys who was blasted six ways from Sunday over the VT game really came together and dominated against UC.
I know what youre getting at...that was a big game for MSU. And Gholston was their best D lineman. And he was obviously KO'd on the field. Losing him for the game would have been a huge loss for them. So maybe, just maybe, they sent him back out knowing he wasnt right because it was important for him to play. I dont think anyone can here can neither confirm nor deny this was the case. We dont have the info on what took place on the sideline. Or what the injury was.
Same as this one with Morris. No one has the info, nor has it been stated whether or not h was concussed. The biggest difference is it was a blowout, in which ue was already visibly injured and ineffective to begin with. Why subject him to any more at that point? And why didnt he switch to Gardner early in the 3rd when Morris was originally hurt? When the game wasnt completely out of hound? I was upset when Gholston went back in. This bothers me to the point they had other measures at hand to avoid it altogether. Take a timeout...that alleviates the need for Gardner to even have to leave the game. Or take the time out and allow Bellomy to find his damn helmet.
Both instances are a fail at face value. Without knowledge of whether or not Gholston was tested and cleared, you cant say Dantonio was in the wrong. Much like you cant really say Hoke was in the wrong either.
I remember when it happened...and the commentators making mention of Braxton not moving and doing the right thing in the situation. You have a big old boy laying on you, out cold...you stay still. You dont know whats wrong, but if its serious you have to let the medical guys move him or risk further injury. Thats common sense for anyone wjo has ever been around any form of head or neck injury.
And if I remember correctly, Gholston got blasted in the chops by his own teammate on the play who was headhunting Braxton. Who saw he was neing headhunted and ducked out in time. I remember being incensed by them sending him back out. And it had nothing to do with him being a good player. Dude was out. Like out out. And comes back a few minutes later ready to go? I dont honestly remember if he was actually concussed, or if it was ever stated. Only thing I remember was that wind knocked out of him statement from Dantonio. Which was patently bullshit.
I know its a rule in HS football. At least was when I played. Our center got 3 penalties called in one game because he forgot to put his in. You may ask yourself how does a center, a guy who looks down at the ball, forget his mouthpiece? Its simple...he was an idiot. Actually led to us getting a 15 yard personal foul because another lineman pushed him after the last one and called him out about it. Never knew it was possible to get a penalty by pushing your own teammate.
On another note, I notice Andrew Luck always has his in. Ive never paid enough attention, but he is the first qb I can actually say with certainty wears one.
That was the one thing Roby had...was an uncanny ability to run guys down after being beat. But you also have to respect the fact that Kiel put the ball on the button to the receiver in stride 40+yds downfield. They were some big league throws. And that receiver had some burners as well. Grant is a fast dude...but with a perfectly thrown ball and a guy with speed its a no doubter.
As far as the pass rush, from what I saw, they were only bringing the down linemen. And in some cases, eapecially 3rd and long, they only had 3 down linemen. And Id say they did a nice job of getting pressure on him as the game rolled along. It was a lot of short drops for Kiel. And once Bosa put the hurt on him, he started rushing some throws. Thats what teams are going to do though. They are well aware of the pass rushing prowess of the line, so they will use a lot of rollouts(like VT) and short drops and quick release throws. Thats where the press coverage comes into play. Rerouting receivers and disrupting timing. If a guy cant get off the line clean, the QB cant get quick throws off. Its on the coverage guys to be physical off the ball. If they give the line an extra second, its becomes an uncomfortable situation for any QB.
Did anyone else think of the part in Friday Night Lights where the backup RB couldnt find his helmet and hey sent Boobie back in to tear his ACL in garbage time? I know I did...this isnt really a laughing matter however. Its pretty serious if Morris was in fact concussed. The Browns did the same with Colt McCoy after James Harrison scrambled his eggs late in the game. Im no doctor...but even I could see McCoy had no idea where he was. They showed a closeup view of his eyes on the snap after his game. They were the dead eyes...like, who am I and why am I here kind of look. And Cleveland got hammered for it. Anyone else remember his dads reaction and subsequent tirade in thd media about it? It was just an ugly moment for a franchise with no shortage of ugliness in recent times. Theres a big if at play here for Hoke...he was wrong IF Morris is priven to have been concussed. Hes wrong period for playing a kid who was visibly shaken before that point...what good is it doing the team or the player to continue to subject him to the kind of beating he was taking? Pull him and let Gardner play. Hes used to getting waxed behind that line.
How are either incidents embarassing? Vrabel was so charged up, he headbutted a player. And Schlegel was simply restoring order in the situation. Riddle me this...James Harrison full out form tackles a fan on the field during a game, in full pads, and people celebrate it. Trust me...there was more potential for bodily harm there than what Schlegel did. He grabbed the kid, put him down and escorted him off the field and tossed him to event staff and let them handle it from there. He didnt cold cock him. Or beat him senseless for 5 minutes. He put him on the field and ended the distraction. Simple as that. Thats not embarassing to me. Thats a textbook response to a moron trying to make a testicle of himself.
Sounds like most TSUN fans I know. Couldnt wait to mock me after the VT game...all he while their team was getting pantsed on national television. We at least scored...and were in the game. Its a sad day when you take more joy from watching our boys lose than watching your team at all.
Wouldnt you say hes earned it? The guy was a class act in an era of baseball tainted by guys who put themselves before the game. He wasnt a me me me guy. He was a team player. A guy who went out and did his job every day. A guy who was a big part of 5 world series wins. A guy whos biggest off field news was who he was dating. He was simply a guy one the biggest sports stage in the biggest city living out his dream. So what if he used his final season as a vehicle to promote brands.
Im no Yankees fan. I hate them with a passion. As a sports fan I respect him for not only how he played he game one the field, but also for how he carried himself off it. I believe hes earned the farewell tour and the hype surrounding it. Theres a reason people paid attention.
This offense is highly limited in what it can do. They can bang with west and crowell. And hoyer can dink and dunk with what amounts to a receiving corp full of slot receivers. Hoyer has been solid, and having Cameron back should open up a few more things. Shanahan has done a surprisingly good job of working with what he has and giving Hoyer a gameplan to work with. Ive seen a lot of good thinga thus far. And if they can continue to improve each week and keep Tate healthy, could be in a good spot when Gordon comes back.
I know its still early, but they have been in every game. And have shown tremendous effort and attitude. We will see how they come out of the bye with Tate back in the fold. Im cautiously optimistic this team can play with anyone and surprise some people. Im not saying 10 wins...but .500 isnt as much of a pipe dream as I may have thought coming in.
I love Roby...hell of a player and former buckeye. But its hard to comparevwhat hes doing to what Gilbert is doing. Hes playing nickelback. A lot different than Gilbert playing outside. Not to mention teams are working their best receivers on him to avoid Haden. I think Gilbert will be fine...just has to take his lumps and learn the hard way.
Shit, I was petrified...
You guys act like Spencer is out there a majority of the time. Starters thia year basically mean youre on the field the first snap. They are rotating most of those guys on the depth chart through constantly. Spencer is what he is...hes a limited receiver. A move the sticks guy. Isnt going to blow by anyone on a fly route. Isnt going to make a catch in space and make guys miss. He is, however, going to make that catch on a simple hitch when you need a first down. Hes going to make that big time block on a bubble screen or swing pass to spting the receiver for a big gain. You guys act like this offense has no chance of making any plays with him out there. Hes been starting for a while. And the offenses he started in gained a lot of yards and scored a lot of points. If he wasnt worthy of a spot on the field, he wouldnt be there.
Thats been the whole issue with Smith over the years. Its never been talent related. Missing the flight to the Gator Bowl. Quitting the team over a disagreement with coaches. The early career fumbling. Its all upstairs with him.
He would go for 2. Every time.
"There are no rules!!!"
(Takes off shirt)
"Keep your shirt on."
(Puts shirt back on)
"Theres one rule!"
Fair point...one that I pondered instantly after posing the question. And to that end, it also used to be a career ender. Nowadays, seems like guys are getting back quicker and quicker from them.
Wonder if he had any plans to enroll early? Thats what Barrett did after his ACL tear. Was able to rehab with Ohio States medical and training staff. Sucks for him to lose his senior season. And is it just me...or are ACL tears becoming more commonplace nowadays?
Whos saying they didnt? From what I watched, I saw a team playing with passion and energy. Va Tech just exposed every weakness they could find. Like I said...there was very little margin for error coming in. And that margin shrunk even more once the game started. VT came in with a hunters mentality, and preyed on the obvious flaws of our Buckeyes. Not knocking the effort from our boys...they just got caught at the right moment by a hungry opponent.