Herman's struggling to recruit Texas?
Herman for OSU OC 2020? Just kidding, but a fellow can dream.
Herman's struggling to recruit Texas?
I've kind of wondered over the last few years, as many behemoth 3* OL as there are available in the Midwest -- and given the lack of monster DTs in the Midwest -- why we don't see OSU taking more of these big OL and trying to convert them into DTs. It may not often work, but the one time it does you'd have a monster 1-Tech who could plug the middle for three to four years, which would make a huge difference.
I can understand if someone says "this is unlikely, why waste a scholarship on that?" But we see them take a chance on low 3*/4* project WRs and defensive players (Daron Lee and Malik Hooker come to mind) and when they hit they add tremendous value, why not try the same with some of these big OL that are available given that there just aren't many monster DTs in the Midwest?
Lost in Translation. So unique culturally (can't think of another Americans in Japan movie really outside of Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift), and one of those great quieter Bill Murray flicks.
Watched it once. I appreciated the dark, honest look at drug abuse. But the movie was so depressing that I don't feel like I ever need to watch it again. Ever watched a movie like that? One that you absolutely appreciate, but know you'll never be able to force yourself to watch again?
I went to BGSU for undergrad, then elsewhere for grad school. But as far as college football goes I'll always be a Buckeye fan. As alluded to in this thread, I think most BGSU alums are the same. I went there mostly because even though I was accepted to OSU, I felt like that campus was a bit too large for me coming from a small town. BGSU felt a lot like my high school, and the emphasis there on art/humanities was very appealing to me given my future (and now current) line of work.
Antonio Williams? Both big backs
FWIW, Antonio Williams is listed as 5'11"/210 on the Ohio State website, I wouldn't consider him to be a big RB. Mike Weber is 5'10"/212. It wouldn't hurt to have at least one 6'1"/225 type of RB in the fold (or bigger in Hurd's case).
A 6'4" RB? Not when we're this desperate for a reliable pass catcher.
With all due respect, you're saying that as if a 6'4" RB is unquestionably a bad thing. Eddie George and Derrick Henry did alright at 6'3". This kid's run for over 2600 yds in his collegiate career already with another year to play.
OSU just offered two 3* WRs today, my guess is they've got plenty of space for Hurd + another WR if they want one.
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Birm's coming back in 2026, you say? Prophetic indeed!
The weirdest part of it to me is that a lot of people argued that Lindsey was leaving OSU to go to Nebraska because he was afraid of competition, but in all honesty, it looks like there will be more WRs who fit the same mold he does at Nebraska than there are/will be at OSU. Wish him the best of luck still, but I think it'll be interesting to see how he develops at Nebraska in a few years. At OSU I think he would have had tough competition at the H-Back position for maybe two years (McCall + possibly EGW), but after that he would have had an offense geared around him for his Junior and perhaps Senior year. There was also talk that Nebraska was more of a pass oriented team and so would fit him better, but OSU actually passed for more yards last year on what we'd probably all argue was a down passing year for them.
I think the kid got spun some really good game, but it is what it is.
Clemson runs true up tempo, stretches the field wide and calls the offense to distribute the ball to all of the playmakers.
I don't think it's a coincidence that you see OSU starting to recruit lanky WRs ala Watkins, Hopkins, Williams, Cain (i.e. the ones they had some trouble defending at Clemson) in bunches now either. College football evolves pretty quickly, and where OSU's was the hot offense to mimic after 2014, Clemson's looks to be the go-to offense of the last couple of years. Which personally makes me happy; I like to see big, traditional WR threats on the outside. It is difficult to defense unless you have really comparable CBs (6'1" types), and even then you're just having to count on winning 50/50 balls all the time.
Games are won in the trenches, but the ACC has won 2 of the last 4 national Championships, on the backs of all-star QB's and great team defense.
Not to be a contrarian (because your point regarding QB play is well made), but Clemson's strength on defense was all about the trenches. Their LB and Secondary play were both average (with the exception of perhaps MLB Ben Boulware), their DL is what was elite (and gave OSU, Alabama, etc. fits). Two 5* DTs, one 4* DT, and three 4* DEs in the last two classes (15-16) alone.
Not to mention 4 other DT commits in '16, 3 or which were over 305 lbs coming in.
Blows my mind that these kids are all still in. Like you said, 4 DT commits in 2016, 2 already in 2017, and yet it looks like Wilson is all in on LSU as well. I appreciate that they don't mind competition, but it strikes me the same way Alabama's RB recruiting was a couple of years ago. At what number of other top-150 DT commits in a class does a kid decide to look elsewhere? I mean, you could argue "well maybe there aren't many other 1-Technique DTs in those classes," but I do believe almost all of them are. There was one year when Alabama had something like 4 top-150 RB commits, and 3 of the 4 transferred if I remember correctly. I guess they sell them effectively on, "You'll be the starter, forget those other guys." Don't quite understand why OSU wouldn't be a sure thing for him when he seems to love Larry Johnson, would be an almost immediate starter logically, etc. Distance is really the only downside. But something about LSU seems to reel them in. Guess they just love Orgeron that much? Guys sells DTs like no one I've seen.
a reliable route runner with sure hands that consistently converts first downs. Not every WR has to be a huge downfield threat - we could really use a Anthony Gonzalez/Dane Sanzenbacher type of guy on this team.
Was actually going to make a thread about that recently but opted not to (I wasn't taking a racial angle, but I felt like it could be interpreted that way based on my examples of great slot WRs in 2016/17 [Renfrow at Clemson, Dieter at Alabama, etc.], so I decided to refrain from submitting; didn't want an opportunity for drama). I do think that's one thing OSU has been missing the last couple of years: a fantastic slot WR the QB can rely on. Watson and Hurt were bailed out by Renfrow and Dieter frequently this season. Felt like J.T. never really had that one guy he could trust; Samuel and Wilson I suppose were the closest to it, but neither was a traditional slot WR.
No Dave Attell or Doug Stanhope love in this thread? IMO the two best comics currently working. Attell's "Skanks for the Memories," and Stanhope's "Before Turning the Gun on Himself" are must watches for any true stand up fan.
Others mentioned in the thread that I also love: Louis CK, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle.
So basically the new Devin Smith WR role?
Yup. In watching those MSU, Wisconsin, and Alabama games again recently, Devin Smith was a nightmare for defenses; seemed like he was good for two 40+ yard TDs a game. His 28.2 YDs per catch average in 2014 was just plain nasty, especially for a guy with just under 1000 yds/receiving and 12 TDs on the year.
I remember watching some highlights of all-star game practices. This kid looked like he had no idea how to run routes
Not trying to minimize the issue you bring up, but watching his highlight tape, given the kid's freakish size and athleticism combo, I'd just tell him to run streaks all game haha. No need to run a complex route tree, just "go get the ball" would suffice. Lord knows we could've used a downfield threat this season, and judging by his tape he was near unguardable as a downfield threat.
I'm really curious how different this offense will look from the current. Not in terms of efficiency (it will be statistically better than last year, it has to be), but in scheme. And not because I question Wilson at all, but because Meyer has had pretty much the same system his offenses work from for as long as I can remember; i.e. the run first (especially QB run first) pass second offense. Whereas I see Wilson's spread as a pass first run second offense, but I could be wrong on that. I mean, that's how I remember the Sam Bradford Oklahoma teams operating. At Indiana it seemed to be the same, although I remember Tevin Coleman and Jordan Howard getting a lot of carries there. It seems to me, though, that Urban and Wilson have slightly different offensive philosophies, so how much will Urban step away and say to Wilson: "the offense is yours." I think if Urban gives up control to Wilson (and Wilson only) the sky is the limit. However, if Wilson feels like he's looking over his shoulder for Urban's imput, he could be handcuffed the same way Herman seemed to be at times his first couple of years at OSU (for example that famous QB sweep play against MSU that got OSU eliminated, which Urban admitted later was his call).
This makes me sound like I question the ability of Urban, which I don't. His system has been incredibly effective. But I do think OSU's offense (if we're to believe the announcers who claimed that Warinner, Beck, Meyer, and even Smith had some role in suggesting plays in game) this year definitely struggled from a too many cooks spoiling the broth scenario. One obvious place it effected them was the lack of tempo and the consistent snaps with 1-2 seconds left on the play clock (took way too long to get plays in, J.T. having to look at the sideline for adjustments, audible, etc.). Kevin Wilson is an offensive genius, and he deserves complete control. I hope Urban will give that to him. Speed up the offense, have a playcaller with an agenda/scheme that can be quickly communicated to the offense (or two playcallers with just Wilson + Meyer occasionally [ala Herman + Meyer during the championship season]), and let OSU's talent show on the field again. That's my hope, anyway.
My Top 5 Home and Homes:
1) Alabama (S-E-C, S-E-C / Would feel like a regular season playoff game)
2) LSU (S-E-C, S-E-C + Death Valley)
3) USC (want revenge)
4) Georgia (S-E-C, S-E-C + If not Bama or LSU, would still be a quality SEC opponent and great atmosphere)
5) Florida State (regular season night game in Tallahassee would be a lot of fun)
This may not be a popular opinion, but watching OSU's arsenal of 5'10"/5'11" RB/WR hybrids get bullied by 6'1" CBs was getting old. Really glad they're bringing in more kids like this.
Mike Williams was a low 4*, 6'4"/210, 4.53/40 WR coming out of high school. Not saying Jaylen Harris is the next Mike Williams; but I am quietly hoping for it haha. Regardless of his potential, Harris is going to be a nightmare for defenders. Along with Austin Mack, Ben Victor, and Trevon Grimes.
He knew the depth chart situation at OSU when he committed in August.
I doubt he knew EGW and Brendon White would be switching over to offense, though. I don't think it's a coincidence that EGW and Brendon White announce they're moving to offense and TL decommits the next day.
It turns out that Kyle Kalis's quote about the boarder being open was in reference to Taco Bell all along.
And people bash recruits when they decommit. Staffs (not just Alabama's) lie to these 17-18 year old kids frequently, they have to look out for themselves.
It will be interesting to see where Oregon goes from here. One of the critiques you heard about the Kelly and Helfrich eras was that they weren't super committed to recruiting. I remember reading the Oregon boards around the time OSU played them in the CFP CG, and a lot of the fans mentioned Helfrich's system (which he learned from Kelly) of being very slow (but decisive) about who they offered. Which did cost them from time to time when they slowplayed recruits who could go elsewhere.
A lot of the Oregon hype of those days has died down though now that every team has 2+ alternate uniforms, Nike love, etc. But with a staff truly committed to recruiting early and often you might see them snag some players they might not have otherwise. It will be difficult for them with USC and Washington both surging again, though, as they are primarily competing for the same pool of players (California, Washington, and Utah [which is surprisingly talented some years]).
Love this pickup. Great sign that OSU is turning back into a team that will find use for traditional WRs again IMO.
Even though this thread seems like a minefield, I'll just say that I didn't really care for the whole, "I'm going to release what they did on NSD" comment. It seems kind of spiteful, and makes it seem like OSU committed some sort of unforgivable sin when my hunch is he didn't like EGW taking his presumed spot on offense. I don't blame him if he felt it was promised to him and has decided to decommit because it felt like a promise not kept by OSU, but I do think with age and wisdom behind me sometimes it's best just to let things go rather than to make a big deal of it on NSD, which that interview did sound like he was going to do. Obviously I'm just speculating, but it seems kind of obvious that one day he is 100% pro-OSU, that night EGW mentions on Twitter that he is flipping to the offense (to what is clearly the same position Lindsey would play, and McCall is already competition for), and the next day a 100% OSU commit is no longer one.
But I do wish him the best regardless, in a year no one will remember this ever happened. He'll have a great career at Nebraska (a lot like Stefon Diggs at Maryland, they'll build the playbook around him I'd wager), OSU will keep on being OSU, water under the bridge.