740Buckeye simply offered an opinion, FTW. That you seemingly disagree doesn't mean the post was "negative". I'm not a fire Beck guy... yet. Having said that, nearly two years into the Beck/Warriner coordinator/play callers/QB coach arrangement it certainly doesn't seem that Barrett has improved as a passer under Tim Beck's tutelage. To the contrary, it appears as though Barrett is struggling to throw the ball downfield more than ever. Now, some of that is certainly due to the situation with the receivers, but some of it also falls on Beck and Barrett. Many on here seem feel that Beck was a bad hire. I'm still undecided, although I will say that the only reason I'm undecided at this point is because Beck has proven himself to be a very good recruiter. However, I'm not sure it can be said that talent development is in his wheelhouse. Time will tell. Specific to the OP, I don't believe JT Barrett will go anywhere after this season because I don't think he's an NFL quarterback. I know Urban has said that he values being a competitor above all else in his QB's, but I think NFL GM's value potential quarterback's being able to make every throw on the field, and Barrett can't do that. Meyer thinks Tim Tebow should be an NFL quarterback too... but no one in the NFL agrees with him. Barrett and Tebow are similar quarterbacks in that both are good runners, very good leaders, tremendous competitors... and both have very average arms. Neither guy is built to play QB on Sunday. Like Tebow (and Braxton Miller), JT Barrett is an outstanding college football player, but I don't believe he'll ever play the quarterback position in the NFL. I'd love to be wrong.
Interesting. I can't imagine that 97.1 made a decision to let him go. Spielman, unlike Herbstriet, is universally loved in Columbus. Not everyone thinks he's a talented analyst, but all Buckeye fans love Chris Spielman. His show, despite not being the most polished sports talk on the air, was the most informative, by a wide margin, on that station. Spielman has become such a religious, moral person that it wouldn't surprise me if he maybe felt like the BS that goes on there in the late afternoon and some of the post game clowning just wasn't something he felt good about being associated with. That is PURE speculation on my part... just hypothesizing, nothing more. Too bad he's gone. Hate that that happened.
HAHA! I know who you are "JFC10". You can't hide behind that backup 11W moniker.
Exactly, L8W. People take stated opinions on these forum pages FAR too seriously. Personally, I like it when someone shares some information he has... despite it POSSIBLY being no more than a rumor. No one on here knows who you might know, or whether or not you have some connection to the program. I agree that spreading unfounded rumors which personally disparage one of the kids/players in the program is unfair and probably unwise, but the coaches, professional and handsomely paid as they are, are fair game, imo. No need to make things up for effect, but to share something you've heard from someone you know within and/or around the program is reasonable to me.
...every day, GB, every single day. Polarizing he is. Guess on which side I fall???
HAHAHA! That's funny... and I'll up vote you for knowing the definition of the word "literally" and using it correctly. That's more than anyone can say for the guy they call Herbstreit, who doesn't have a clue what the word 'literally' means, as in, "That guy is literally flying down the field". No, Kirk, a guy can't literally fly down the field... unless he's in an airplane or hot air balloon, or has on a jet pack.
Yep, Spielman is just about the only reason I ever tune to 97.1. The rest of it is a local clown show. I did listen yesterday while at the gym, and Mark the Shark, who I sorta like, kept referring to Ed Warriner as the offensive line coach. C'mon... a sports talk radio host in Columbus doesn't know that Studrawa was hired and is now the O-Line coach? Again, I think Shark is one of the few on that station who is a fairly good, professional radio host, but I've always thought his shows, on 97.1 or 99.7, were far too Cleveland centric, and that he doesn't know who the Ohio State offensive line coach is this late in the season seems to validate that. I'll bet he knows every coaching assignment and player name on the Indians, Cavs and Browns.
That's right, GB... just a great band.
HAHAHA!!!! All the Bosa haters, especially you FAT Booger McFarland, you're all hyperbolic Muldoons... Bosa's a beast, and a kid of high character from a good family with NFL beast genes running thru it. He's gonna have long, productive career worthy of the third overall pick and all of you were wrong.
Grunge style... never has an adjective been more appropriately applied than "grunge" specific to this style of music. Those guys look like three hobos just off the boxcar. Not my thing, but I certainly recognize their contributions, talent and popularity.
Bring in someone who actually played football, especially at the receiver position, Cris Carter as an example, to teach these kids the intricacies of playing in that spot... teach the little things that one picks up over years of playing WR in high school, college and the NFL. Zach Smith didn't play football, so showing these players techniques, how to separate from the corner, little tricks to get the DB off balance, etc., is beyond him. Can he help create the culture Urban wants, or teach the receivers their playbook, routes and blocking assignments, or show them how Meyer wants them to break down film? Sure... but he CANNOT show them the things that someone like Cris Carter or Joey Galloway or Brian Hartline learned through years of trial and error and PLAYING in games. I know there are people on here who dismiss the importance of having actually played football... and they're almost always people who haven't played football. Football is no different than any other discipline; to truly learn it you have to actually do it. Can you read a book or watch a game and get the gist of playing the quarterback or linebacker positions? Sure... but to actually become proficient at teaching technique, teaching the intricacies of each position, requires having played the actual game, imo. Smith needs help. He's a solid recruiter... but he's more suited to mark Pantoni's job than to be the receivers coach at one of the top five programs in college football.
However, that shouldn't stop the F.B.I. from indicting the Big Ten employee who scheduled back-to-back night games in Camp Randall and Beaver Stadium with Wisconsin and Penn State coming off byes.
...and Kirk Herbstreit is so condescending, pious and self-righteous that it drips off of him like water cascades off the rest of us in a shower.
Zach Smith, while not the entire reason for the lack of production at the receiver position, most certainly deserves part of the blame. It's his group. He's the leader. They spend the bulk of their practice and film time with Zach Smith. In addition, all the players you mentioned as having played a position other than WR in high school have ALL been in the program for multiple years now. Brown, Campbell and McClaurin have all been here three years, I think. Class of 14? How many years does it take to learn how to separate from the DB, or run crisp routes? EPH97 said above that Smith is to Meyer what Nick Siciliano was to Tressel. I don't think it's quite to that degree, to be honest, but I believe EPH has drawn a somewhat reasonable comparison. Smith is proving himself capable as a recruiter... but as a talent developer he's lacking, imo. Meyer wanted someone who knows exactly how he (Meyer) wants his receivers coached in his offensive system, and Smith is that guy. He was a safe pick, and he's Earl Bruce's grandson, and anyone who thinks that played no part in Smith's hiring is being naive, imo. Smith, though, doesn't seem capable of taking these guys beyond the basics. He doesn't seem capable of teaching them the intricacies of playing the position. The little things that give a player an advantage on the field. The things that someone who actually played football, especially as a receiver, would be able to teach these players Smith doesn't seem able to teach. Just an opinion...
Stale isn't relevant, imo. Is the pro set offense stale? Nope, and it's been around much longer than the spread. The problem, in my humble opinion, is one of two things: either the talent evaluators/coaches missed on some players, or the coaches aren't developing the talent they recruited. The offense is not good right now. If it were just last night that'd be one thing, but last night iced the cake on a three week run of the offense getting progressively worse. This is a redundant theme is my posts today, but when you run a spread and you cannot throw the football down field then you've got major problems. This offense is not set up to maul their opponent and grind meat with Weber (a guy I love, btw)... but that's exactly what they were trying to accomplish last night while everybody watching the game was wondering, "Where's Curtis Samuel? Where are the receivers and why aren't they being given lots of chances to use their superior athletic ability down field, and when they are given chances why are they consistently dropping the ball? Where is the Noah Brown who was so impressive and dominant in practices last year, and to a certain degree at OU this season? And once again, WHERE IS CURTIS SAMUEL???" On the O-Line, Isaiah Prince looks absolutely lost. I almost felt sorry for him the last two weeks, but I was too pissed to pity anyone. Jamarco Jones is also not good right now. Are they bad players, or is Studrawa not doing a good enough job? JT Barrett is a hell of an athlete and he runs with purpose and guts. He's also a true leader... but he struggles horribly throwing the ball down field. It's never been his forte, but he's absolutely regressed in this regard under the direction of Tim Beck. I don't hate Beck and I'm not necessarily a "fire Beck" guy, but look at Barrett in 2014 and then look at him the past 20 games. He's NOT a better thrower. He just isn't. So, I don't think it's the offense conceptually at all, rather I think the talent isn't living up to its potential, and I believe the coaches aren't doing a whole lot of development to help the talent right now... especially at the receiver, quarterback and O-Line positions.
PSU's remaining games are VERY winnable. I would be a little surprised if they don't win out because of the MSU implosion this year. The only other game they MIGHT lose is Vs Iowa, and I believe that's in Happy Valley. If the Buckeyes win out then they're in the playoff, IMO, because I don't see ttun losing until MAYBE November 26... but right now, at this very moment, I'm not at all convinced Ohio State can even compete in that game, let alone win it. The offense is abysmal. They run a spread and they can't throw the ball down field. That is a death knell for any offense, but especially one not set up to grind and maul their opponent at the LOS. Unless that's fixed, and I don't know how they do that heading into week 8, but unless the offense makes a dramatic turnaround then this entire discussion is moot. When they lost to Va Tech in 2014 that was very early in the season. They had yet to establish themselves and had plenty of time to work on their shortcomings. In addition, the talent on that team was simply better than this team. I know Meyer said this is his most talented team... well, if that's true then this would have to be his least impressive coaching job because his "most talented" team is really, REALLY bad on offense right now, and it's getting very late in the season.
Either Meyer and his recruiters missed on players like Jones, and especially Prince, OR Studrawa isn't doing a good job developing them. That goes double for the receivers and Zach Smith. They've either missed on their talent evaluations or they're not developing the talent. Those are the two choices... and they're both really bad options for Ohio State. It's funny, Meyer has said several times that he "loves" this team... but this is my least favorite team of the Meyer era. Losses will happen and I get that. You can't win em all. But when losses like last night happen, with an offensive performance that inept, underwhelming, predictable and with no imagination, which capped off a three week run of similar offensive output, that's what is unacceptable to me.
You're right in some of what you say, GT. It was a perfect storm loss, I agree... but even had they pulled it out, there are enormous problems with this offense that cannot be dismissed. Yes, special teams were abysmal and essentially lost that game. Yes, the refs were bad; calls were made that should have never been made, and a few calls weren't made that clearly should have been made (altho Ohio State, I believe, has almost TWICE the penalty yardage this season as its opponents). Yes, it was a tough road environment for the second week in a row Vs a team that had the week off prior to playing OSU. But Meyer and his staff have shown some weaknesses, as game managers, as talent developers specific to THIS team, and as play callers, and last night those three things really stood out. I have no clue why Curtis Samuel isn't getting touches. No clue whatsoever. I believe his second carry of the game went for 60+ yards and a score... and then essentially nothing. The receivers are just bad right now, and it's leading to a predictable game plan and unimaginative play calling. Noah Brown is as close to a decent receiver as OSU has and he struggles to separate from the DB. The rest of them, from Clark to Smith to Hill (some injury issues, I know) to Campbell, they're all huge disappointments to this point. Where's DeMario McCall? Where's Austin Mack? If Urban wants to pound the rock with Mike Weber, who is a beast, then fine, but he's recruiting the wrong kinds of players if that's his plan. Get a fullback and maulers up front like Wisconsin and then grind meat with Weber if that's what you want to do. But if you're a spread team that runs out of some power formations you seem to have forgotten abut the "spread" part... you're only concentrating on the power portion while mixing in quarterback draws ad nauseam (like another play caller we all used to skewer on here in the Tressel era). If you REFUSE to throw deep then your spread offense won't work because nothing opens up. That's offensive football 101, spread or multiple pro set. Everyone knows you can't hit the deep ball so they're daring you to beat them with the power running game... and this team is not set up that way. The offense is seriously flawed, not conceptually, but in practice specific to this staff and they way they're using, or NOT using, and developing, or NOT developing, the players at their disposal. And if your reply is, "well, the players aren't good enough for the staff to trust them so they're being conservative/predictable in order to win games", then I would say who's job is it to develop the talent to the point that the play callers CAN trust them to make plays? It all starts with the guy making 6 million a year. The season's far from over... but they have a huge mountain to climb to get this offense back on track.
Yeah, I agree with those urging perspective. I actually saw a comment in last night's game thread that said, "Urban is no longer a top 3 coach". Please. Having said that, I also think the reality of this team, RIGHT NOW, is that is has no true receiver, its quarterback struggles horribly throwing the ball downfield, two of its young linemen... Jamarco Jones and, most especially, Isaiah Prince... are having a tough time, and the play callers clearly have no confidence in their playmakers through the air so the offense has become unimaginative and predictable. Noah Brown is the closest thing they have to a true wide out, but he'll often struggle to get separation Vs the DB. The others are all track athletes and/or basketball players trying to play the receiver position in the most physical sport on earth. I love JT Barrett and his grit and athleticism... but he has regressed over the past two seasons throwing the football. He struggles mightily going down field with the ball, and then when he throws an accurate football his "receivers" drop it. James Clark, Terry McClaurin, Paris Campbell, Corey Smith... they're all Renaldo Nehemiah-esque (google him, youngsters). All of that, combined with the defense looking like myself and 10 other dubbers stole their uniforms and took to the field starting about 11pm last night, and you have the perfect recipe for road loss to a team that had absolutely NO BUSINESS beating an Ohio State team this athletic and fast. The season's FAR from over... and it's Meyer time to show everyone why he's considered one of the two best in the business.
LOL That's the dumbest comment in the history of this site...
Love the jersey with the Buckeye stripe...
Yes. Great coaches can go anywhere and make that program a winner. Coaches in football, unlike any other sport, have almost as much impact on the actual games as the players do. Meyer is a great coach, game day/week day/every day, and his influence would be immediate. I'm not even talking about recruiting, just pure coaching and culture. Meyer could take the current Rutgers team, same players, and be FAR more competitive than that team is today. In the NFL it's even more pronounced. Every team in that league is good so coaching is THE differentiator. Rich Kotite goes 1-15 with the Jets. The next year Bill Parcells goes 9-7 with the same team, and the following year he goes to the AFC title game.
Good gosh, the number 2 ranked team in college football is doing its walk thru in a freaking Ramada Inn parking lot. It's not a huge deal, really, but it's just so ridiculous that there isn't a private place, even a ballroom inside the hotel, for them to do their last minute prep.
Very surprised he didn't end up at MSU. He would SEEM to be an ideal fit there. Game manager quarterbacks who, maybe, develop into Sunday(ish) players. I'd say both schools run multiple pro style offenses. Good luck to him. Lots of players choose KY so there must be something they're selling that the kids love. What that is I have no clue...
The red, white and blue Browns... I'd love for them to start winning, but... the red, white and blue Browns.