Fun question to think about. Lots of talent in both eras. I'll say this much, and I'm an older commenter on here so I almost never think the most recent players are the best of the best, but I'd take Zeke Elliott as my back over any I've ever seen at OSU... with the possible exception of Archie Griffin. You had to have seen Archie play to appreciate his quickness and his superhuman balance. I will, however, definitely take Zeke over George and Byers, and easily over Clarett, Hyde, Wells, Spencer and Snow, ALL great players.
I hear ya, and I stand corrected. Go Bucks!
Why DV the OP? It's an opinion, expressed without violating any site rules. I don't get it....I've handed out LOTS of DV's in my time on this site... but ALL were given to posts that referred to someone else's comment as stupid, ignorant, moronic, et al and/or those who resort to name calling. Commenters who aren't articulate enough to express themselves, or like to belittle others opinions because they vehemently disagree with a post, are the one's who, from my persecutive, deserve a down vote. I've probably violated my own rules to earn Dvs in the past, altho I try very hard to refrain from name calling or insulting others opinions. But, saying that this PSU team has earned your personal respect is now DV content on here? C'mon...
I not only thought it was possible, but I expected it. When you lived through the 70s the standard was titles. Despite John Cooper not being able to beat ttun, he recruited unbelievable talent to Columbus... more than enough talent to win conference and national titles. I have no idea how old you are, but those who grew up in the 90s had their expectations and standards established by Cooper and his teams. Those who matured in the 50s, 60s and 70s had their standard set by Woody Hayes and his teams. That's one world of difference, and probably the reason, if in fact you are a product of the 90s, that you never thought this level of excellence possible while some of us expected it. Just an observation as I've heard many children of the 90s express sentiments similar to your post.
Until if/when the playoff is expanded these "clarity" questions will persist ad nauseam... and the playoff isn't going to expand any time soon, if ever. I wish they would grow the number of teams, myself. Twelve or 16 teams, automatic qualifiers with byes, hosting early rounds on campus, SEC teams playing north in December... but it's all a pipe dream. Specific to Bowlsby, he can't possibly be serious regarding Ohio State. The Buckeyes beat the holy dog snot out of his conference's best shot at a spot in the tournament, in Norman, with the youngest team in college football, and are 11-1 with four top ten wins while OU is 10-2 with one top ten win. I have no clue what he wants clarified specific to the Buckeyes getting in and the Sooners being left out.
Here are my four: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State... and Penn State. Penn State's schedule is better than Washington's, they have THE best win this year Vs the Buckeyes, and they won the best division in the best conference in college football.
First, it's UT not TU... but whatever. I can understand his anger. These coaches lie right to your face. Herman isn't the first (Saban, Butch Davis, Kiffin... it's a long list) and won't be the last. Having said that, just keep it within your circle. It's a bad look to go public, no matter how justified he thinks he is. In addition, interviewing Art Briles does nothing to garner sympathy from anyone. But I get it. I'd be angry too. Now that doesn't mean I think Herman should have stayed. To the contrary... Tom Herman wound have been crazy to pass up the UT job.
That Art Briles is allowed to work as a head coach in college football and Jim Tressel is not is the absolute height of irony... although there's nothing funny about it. Yes, life's unfair, but it's unfathomable when we have control over the injustice and CHOOSE to do nothing about it.
It would have been for Todd Sibley, Antjuan Simmons and, especially, Danny Cark...
I don't think that the problem is the process, I believe the problem is that there is ONLY a selection process. The NFL playoff is a true tournament, with every team earning its way in. Since an NFL style tournament isn't a realistic option in college football, it seems that the FCS process is the best alternative. Imo, selecting and/or voting all teams into a playoff is intrinsically a bad idea. Expand the playoff, open it up to more teams, and at least have automatic qualifiers filling some of the spots, with a committee then selecting the remaining teams. This would also allow for teams hosting games... i.e. Florida or Alabama coming north to play in Ohio Stadium. FCS schools do it and their regular season is still exciting. I know this is a polarizing debate on here, but I'd love to see the FBS move towards something like the FCS format.
No changes necessary. Same rules for everyone. Ohio State simply lost the wrong game for the second year in a row. It sucks... but it isn't unfair based on the current rules.
Good for him. We all make mistakes... very happy he's moved past his indiscretions.
Yep, I agree in totality with your reply. When I said, "and yet nothing changes" I wasn't necessarily referring to firing anyone. I most certainly wouldn't have fired Beck after 2015. This problem goes well beyond Tim Beck, imo, so thinking that canning Beck will solve the issue is being naive, I think. Meyer, it SEEMS, values being a great recruiter above all else in his assistants, and his entire staff can recruit their asses off, Tim Beck included. I do think specific to Beck, and especially Zach Smith, that player development is sorely lacking. Studrawa, like Beck last year, deserves more than a season to shape his O-line... altho with the raw talent there it's very hard to understand how and why his group struggles to the level it's struggling. Personally, I believe Smith is far better suited to Mark Pantoni's job than to being receivers coach at a top 3 program in college football... but then there's that Earl Bruce connection.
“Our offensive architects owe these kids better..."
This is the most honest and accurate statement ever written (or reported) on this site. Perusing the Forum threads, there are so many people who cannot see, or refuse to see, that this offense is bad right now. Too often, when someone objective refers to the issues that Barrett, the O-Line or the receivers have, they'll be DV'd or called "negative". Negative is my favorite. Wake the f%&k up, this offensive staff, including Urban Meyer, have done that side of the ball no favors. None. The receivers are a disaster, minus Noah Brown, but even Brown's not setting the world on fire. The offensive line is, at times, noting short of EMBARRASSING. Barrett has regressed as a passer to the point that he can't hit his receivers, on the rare occasions they create separation and are open, anywhere close to their hands. He throws balls in the dirt, over their heads and behind or beyond them... but rarely in their hands. When he does throw a nice ball then Paris Campbell or Terry McLaurin drop the pass. Now, if this disaster isn't Zach Smith's, Tim Beck's, Greg Studrawa's, Warinner's and Meyer's fault then whose fault is it??? This is now two years of up and down, inconsistent offense, and it peaked starting with the IU game in 2016 and continued thru last Saturday. I know where they rank statistically in the conference, but relative to their talent and to their head coach's past success, the last two offensive teams under Meyer are not working. They're simply FAR more talented than just about every team they play. If this offense (and 2015's to a lesser extent) played to anywhere near their potential Ohio State would be absolutely unstoppable. It HAS to frustrate Meyer to no end... and yet nothing changes.
Oh well shit... I'm gonna assume they KNOW bigger fish are coming if they asked yet another commit to grayshirt and lost him as a direct result.
But I digress...this doesn't matter unless Ohio State gets a playoff invite.
They're in, and there are many reasons why, the biggest of which is that they're one of the four best teams in college football, but being "Ohio State", traveling like Ohio State, being a ratings juggernaut like Ohio State, having as many supporters AND haters as Ohio State... all of this will play into the committee's decision, despite what the committee wants everyone to believe. They're in, and they're probably one of only two, MAYBE three, programs in college football right now that could garner a playoff invitation without a conference title on their resume.
Who's "Chris Samuel", Eisen? Are you kidding me with this bulls%^t? I mean, Eisen is SUPPOSED to be a professional sports journalist. How bout at least trying to be a tiny bit impartial when you're on air. This is a conversation he can have with his ttun buddies in private, but on his show, while "working"? C'mon... stop whining you little bitch.
I've read three articles in the past two weeks about three different people on two different continents who are supposed to be "the world's oldest living person". No one knows, with any certainty, who the oldest living person is... but 117 is about three decades longer than I care to live.
Isaiah Prince has struggled, sometimes horribly so, since the Wisconsin game. At this moment he's a weak link and I don't know that four weeks between games is nearly enough time to fix what's broken. As they say, "You're only as strong as your weakest link".... so as Prince goes so goes the offensive line. The coaches seemed to be ok with it on Saturday, though. I was stunned that they didn't offer Prince more help with a TE or a back because Taco Charlton absolutely wrecked him all day. Prince is extremely athletic for a guy his size, so I'm guessing the issues are more mental than physical... but he's struggling big time right now. TTUN's defensive line is very good, but mostly they're very deep. I think Alabama's D-Line is superior, based on the three games I've seen them play, and I would expect the results along the LOS to be similar to what they were Saturday if the Buckeyes and Bama meet in a playoff game. I don't how they work around that, but I hope the guy getting 6mil a year to figure it out figures it out soon.
Whomever Ohio State plays next will be an elite team. The Buckeyes have about a month to figure things out...
Again, Ohio State has a month to figure it all out...
These "The Buckeyes have a month to figure things out" quotes specific to the O-Line and pass pro, and the offense's inability to throw the football, imo, cannot be figured out or fixed in a month, and if you think they can be then, from my perspective, your expectations are unrealistic. If Meyer and his offensive staff haven't been able to remedy these problems over the course of October and November then there isn't much hope they'll be able to do it in the month between now and their playoff game. The good news is that, IN SPITE of their absolute ineptitude with regard to their passing offense, they remain a powerful, talented and exceptionally athletic football team... maybe the most purely athletic team in college football, including Alabama. The bad news, however, is that Alabama's D-Line, based on what we've seen of the Buckeyes Vs Wisconsin, PSU and TTUN, would be expected to absolutely dominate this year's slobs. How Meyer works around that problem, if he even can work around it, will determine how far the Ohio State team goes in 2016. I'll say this... if Meyer wins a title with THIS offense then, in my opinion, he unquestionably moves past Saban as the best coach in college football. Some on here probably consider Meyer to be that now, but I think Saban still has the advantage, albeit a small one.
I despise people who, aside from defending themselves or another person, physically attack someone. There is NO excuse for it. Someone says something that offends you? Move one. Peppers, per my family member who was sitting behind the TTUN bench area, was mouthy and arrogant towards the fans throughout the afternoon, instigating with his "OH-NO" gestures. He's fortunate I'm not the guy in the video, because if I were I would have already sought out the counsel of an attorney and pressed the issue. I wouldn't want or expect ANYTHING from the player other than a public apology and for him to understand that putting his hands on another being, for any reason other than defense of himself or another, won't be tolerated.
This will change, imo, although I'll be selfishly happy if it doesn't. The top safety on the board and a first round draft pick... that was Karl Joseph last year and I believe he had a 12(ish) million dollar contract with more than half that, about 7mil, guaranteed in bonus. For most players, but especially for a player from an area that isn't the safest and/or nicest of places, turning down a 7 million dollar check would be difficult, if not unwise. The only caveat, imo, would be the insurance policies for which the NCAA fronts the money for the premiums until the insured player is drafted, guarding against a career ending injury and a loss of multiple millions of dollars.
HAHAHA! Dave is addicted to Dave... and that addiction has served him very well over the decades.
Yep, best Buckeye coverage, BY FAR. I'm usually the contrarian on this site, and I'd be surprised if DJ, and many others, haven't said to themselves, "I hate that Kmp10...asshole", but I have an 11W habit that I have no interest in kicking ... it's my heroine.