I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but this entire exercise is pointless because Archie Griffin is CLEARLY the ultimate Buckeye... whether it's from 1970 forward, or from 1890.
I hear you, and I agree to a certain extent, however, Tunsil missed multiple games (including the Bowl, I believe) due to injury as a sophomore and, if I remember correctly, half the season last year due to suspension. He's just one of those guys that trouble (and injuries) follows. How many games did Decker miss? I don't remember any. How many times was Decker arrested? Again, I don't know of any Decker arrests. How many 'pay for play' scandals was Decker involved in? None that I know of. Tunsil, from a pure talent perspective, is the better player... but so much more goes into this than just pure talent. If you developed a 'Pros and Cons' list specific to Tunsil and Decker, Taylor Decker would win every single area of comparison, with the lone exception being natural talent. With Decker, a team is getting a solid citizen AND a very good player. With Tunsil, a team gets a guy with an arrest record, a guy who missed several games in his college career for a variety of reasons, none of them good, and a guy who seems to gravitate towards trouble. To me (and to you, as you said you would take TD over Tunsil as well), the difference in talent between the two players isn't great, but the difference in character is tremendous. I'd rather invest in Decker...
I'm not sure why Tunsil was drafted in round one... not after yesterday's revelations and his obvious and chronic injury problems and psychological issues. Tunsil isn't Orlando Pace, he's not a sure thing. Myles Jack fell out of the first round due to concerns over possible micro fracture surgery following his meniscus tears, while Tunsil, who had injuries in each of his three years in college that caused him to miss games and/or stretches of games, in addition to being arrested after domestic issues, on top of playing for pay at Ole Miss, gets taken in the top 15 picks. I wouldn't touch that guy with a ten foot pole. Why would you pass on Taylor Decker in favor Tunsil? That makes zero sense to me, even after taking off my scarlet colored glasses.
Thanks for posting. I had forgotten all about this tribute album to Ace. What a fantastic piece of work. All the tracks, with the exception of New York Groove, were written and arranged by Simmons, Stanley and/or Frehley... and even though Ace didn't write New York groove, he certainly made it his own. These songs are from the golden era of KISS (KISS thru Love Gun 1973-1977) and they're only a fraction of the great material that make up the first six albums (plus Ace's first solo record). Talk about song writing range... Paul Stanley wrote Rock Bottom (with Ace) and also penned Hard Luck Woman. I maintain that if Gene Simmons weren't such an ass AND if the merchandising hadn't gotten to the point of such utter absurdity that KISS would be far better though of and infinitely more respected. The complexity of their music will never be on par with Rush, Van Halen or Led Zeppelin... but my goodness those songs are catchy. And there aren't just a handful, there are dozens and dozens of KISS tracks over the years that are just really good songs.
KISS has always been the red headed step child in the classic rock family. They've been criticized, lambasted, laughed at and disrespected ad nauseam... all while selling over 100 million records worldwide, selling out stadiums (yes, stadiums) the world over and influencing artists from Tom morello to Dave Grohl and hundreds of others in between. KISS is a seminal rock band, like it or not, and Ace Frehley was THE most seminal member of that band. Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons seem to garner all the credit for forming and launching what was to become one of the 70's most iconic bands... but Frehley was the guy all the aspiring musicians wanted to emulate. Happy birthday, Space Ace... how 'bout one last go around with Paul, Gene and Peter.
Hawk had a very solid, eleven year career (to this point). Is his career one that is befitting the number five overall selection in the NFL draft? I'm not so sure about that... but he was a productive and dependable player for essentially the entirety of his time in the league.
In terms of arm talent, he is second to none in this draft class.
You'll have to define "arm talent" because to me you're implying, or simply saying, that Cook has the best arm in the draft... and that just isn't so, imo. Cardale Jones (far from my favorite Ohio State player, btw) clearly has the strongest arm in this draft class. As of Friday (most likely) Jones will possess one of the strongest arms in the NFL... possibly THE strongest. Maybe you mean Cook can make all the throws necessary at the next level... but his arm strength is only solid, not great, and his accuracy is below average. I agree that Cook is one of the three best QB's available in this weak quarterback class, but I disagree that his arm talent is second to none. In addition, his personality works against him. Think Jay Cutler. He's just one of those guys, like Cutler, who people find abrasive (not just OSU fans). What's more, Cook was a three year starting quarterback who was never voted team captain by his teammates. That's a powerful indicator of what his peers think of him.
Imitation... the sincerest form of flattery.
Agree with all that's been posted here. Asking an elite player, both in Ohio and nationally, to take a grey shirt is insulting. It's just that simple. If I'm Sibley, I go to MSU with retribution on my mind and in my heart. I hope Meyer has a silent commit from Akers in hand because if he doesn't letting Sibley walk is gonna look worse that it already does... and won't be forgotten arround the state.
The guys on that "League of Legends" team (whatever that is) have never picked up a ball in their lives... and then one of their ilk, DJ, said "eSports" will one day replace football and I laughed and laughed and laughed... until I realized he could actually be right... and then I cried and cried and cried.
Agree. Smith is oddly appealing to kids, at least in part, because he talks their talk and communicates via social media... but in the adult world he comes off as a bit immature with his frequent twitter wars/prognostications/altercations. I'll say this, if I were Smith and I hadn't played a down of organized football past high school, I would stay away from the Twitter altercations with coaches who've played on Saturdays and/or Sundays. In other words, the VAST majority of college football coaches. Imo, having no playing career from which to draw experience is a significant weak point for Zach Smith. These coaches are ultra competitive, and not having played football, Smith isn't fully in the fraternity, and Williams (and I'm sure others) will hit that chink in Smith's armor every time. I know I would... both on the recruiting trail and in a Twitter war.
Im old and completely lost in the twitterverse. WTH is going on? Apparently, Keith Williams is Nebraska'a WR coach. Zack Smith Tweeted at Williams today regarding negative recruiting that Williams is/was doing? Is that right??? And Williams replied to Smith's Tweets with a Tweet of his own and a hashtag attachment of #DIDYOUPLAYFOOTBALLTHOUGH? I'm assuming this was directed at Smith's lack of playing experience...yes??? Someone much younger and smarter than me, have mercy on an old man and please put me in the loop.
It takes a special kid who has NFL quality talent to want to play in weather that induces frozen snot on your face mask.
This weather concern among high school football players is ridiculous. I get wanting to live in nice weather... I spent parts of my youth in SoCal with family and hope to go back out in the next few years. But, if you let some snow and cold temps prevent you from committing to the program where you feel most comfortable then you're probably not the mentally tough kinda kid I'd want on my team anyway. Nice weather can certainly be on the plus side of the 'reasons to go list'... but it should never be on the 'reasons NOT to go list'. Minneapolis is a great, vibrant city and TCF is a terrific facility. If Minnesota is a program you like then the cold winters shouldn't even enter your mind.
Unless Meyer pulls Clark's scholarship Danny Clark isn't going anywhere other than Ohio State... but Clark's front row seat to the Sibley situation has to be causing some doubt/angst/distrust.
Ohio State has found its number two, yes. I know the 11W staff thinks Collier is a great kid, and I'm sure that he is... but Burrow is the clear choice as the backup, imo.
Absolutely. Curtis Samuel is a starter. That was a glaring omission, imo.
Weber... and it's not close, despite the praise Dunn is drawing from the staff. Dunn, based on what I'm hearing (and I certainly could be reading it wrong), is impressing Meyer with his "growth". It seems that he's in a battle with Weber, in large part, simply because he's a 5th year senior. I wish absolutely no ill will on Dunn... but he's had four years to show his value and he's not done much. I hope to see Weber start and Williams get solid reps in relief. They are the future.
I'm thrilled Haskins is committed to OSU... but he's gonna have to wait his turn behind Burrow, in my opinion. I've said it on here before, Joe Burrow has "it". Big, rangy, smart, athletic, good arm and incredibly accurate. He will start when Barrett moves on, be it in 2017 or '18. Had he committed to Nebraska he would start this year for the Cornhuskers. Tommy Armstrong is a tremendous athlete, but his accuracy is subpar. He's an athlete paying the QB position... Burrow is all quarterback.
I could be misremembering... but I don't think you're right in your assertion that Tressel was "embarrassed more times than not" Vs national competition. Tressel, with his Ohio recruits, beat Miami in the title game (yes, most were Cooper recruits on that team), Oregon in a Rose Bowl, Arkansas in a Sugar Bowl, Texas in Austin, Notre Dame in a Fiesta Bowl, and KSU in a Fiesta Bowl. In addition, his '04 team smoked Oklahoma State in an Alamo Bowl, and during Pryor's freshman year the Buckeyes lost a very close game to UT in another Fiesta Bowl. Yes, they were embarrassed Vs Fla in that 06 title game and, to a lesser extent, against LSU in the '07 title game. Also, losing to USC twice wasn't a good look... but Tressel was not embarrassed more often than not on a national stage.
I'm one of the people crying about Sibley being an Ohio kid... but I have to say your post made me feel a bit hypocritical. Not to dredge up old, tired debates, but when Like Fickell was the scorn of (some of) 11W I was the first guy saying, 'who cares whether or not Fickell is a Buckeye thru and thru, he isn't getting it done. Find someone who can'. Now, one is a coach and one is a high school player so there are critical differences, but finding myself on the opposite side of the fence today feels a little bit insincere. Anyway, I agree that Sibley is not the best Ohio State can do at running back... but that's because Ohio State has their pick, essentially, of the best of the best, NOT because Sibley isn't good enough. I think the Ohio bred player is unique in his relationship specific to OSU, and I believe it's in Ohio State's long and short term best interest to cater to, within reason, the elite Ohio players. Numbers are numbers... but if someone has to be out I hate for it to be the Ohio kid. Sometimes, because the talent discrepancy is so severe, the local player just has to be the one to go, but I don't believe that's the case with Sibley. He's an elite recruit.
If I'm Sibley I would feel highly insulted (but I'm way too proud for my own good so I'm not saying that's the right response). Sibley is a top 15(ish) running back prospect in the country, not a long snapper or kicker. He could go to any number of big time schools and be on scholarship immediately. In addition, Sibley is an OHIO kid. I hate to see the in state, 'grew up a Buckeye fan' player treated like this. From the outside looking in, there is no reason a player the caliber of Sibley would have to consider a grey shirt year. I believe Sibley has an offer on the table from MSU, and if I'm him I'd thank coach Meyer for the opportunity... and then go to East Lansing with the goal of making OSU sorry they insulted me.
Legacy? Great player... and I can't dent it. Also an asshole of the highest order.
This moron should be forever bounced from the NFL. I cannot fathom someone so freakin stupid that they would throw away an opportunity that's as rare as winning the lottery just to smoke dope. What an all time, blue ribbon winning simpleton this clown is.
The biggest problem with this site, which happens to be dominated, demographically speaking, by young (college age to 30) males, is that many lack the maturity to let others voice their opinion without responding with down votes, snide comments or name calling. Every DV I've ever issued on this site, and I've issued more than the average, has been due to name calling and/or criticizing someone for simply offering their opinion. I've never down voted someone for stating their opinion, no matter how much I might disagree with that opinion. Say whatever you want to say... as long as it's well written and doesn't sink to name calling or belittling another commenter. Bucknasty13 simply stated an opinion. I don't agree with him in totality specific to Cardale Jones... but I can certainly see how someone could come to the conclusion that Jones, despite his cannon of an arm, isn't as complete a quarterback as he should be six years removed from high school. Wrong system? Yes, I agree with that. Bad attitude for a few years while being nothing short of lazy in his film study, weight room work and academics? Yep, I think that was accurate too. Jones, imo, will go somewhere after round three (possibly in round 3) because he possess the biggest arm in the draft AND because he seems to have grown up a little bit over the past two years. I wish him nothing but the best. After the childhood he experienced, he certainly deserves a break.
That's hilarious. Regular students wouldn't last two weeks, huh? Well, I've got news for some of these players, if it weren't for football MANY of them wouldn't even qualify academically at universities like Ohio State, MSU or IU, let alone schools like Notre Dame, Stanford and Northwestern. So lets start there... if they weren't playing football they couldn't get into the school, many times, on their academic merit. The "regular" students get into their school of choice, every single time, based on their academic merit. That's first. Second, "regular" students make their own way through college, typically, while football players have all the help (tutors, study tables, coaches intervening on their behalf) they could possibly ask for. In addition, "regular" students have FAR, FAR, FAR more financial pressure than do scholarship football players at Ohio State. They have tuition, text books, tutor costs (if applicable), food (no training tables or Gatorade/protein bar/fruit stacked isles deep free for the taking for the regular students), rent (no free housing for the regular student), clothes, etc to pay for. I'm so sick and tired of immature, unappreciative, ignorant (I'll use Urban's word because it's appropriate here) kids, stuck somewhere between teenager and adult, running their mouths about how mistreated and exploited they are. What a joke. I'm 51 years old and I've been a DIEHARD Buckeye for the entirety of my life. My dad went to OSU, I'm an alum, we've both been members of the alumni association and spent thousands of dollars donating to Ohio State, attending games, going on bowl trips and buying Buckeye gear... but this "exploitation" BS is something that is now pitting football players against "regular" students, and at this moment it's putting a serious dent in my OSU football fandom.