Strike three. Unreal. It's dumbfounding how arrogant and just plain stupid some of these kids can be. Maybe some team will "take a flier on (Spence) based on potential alone", but if I were a GM I wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole. Spence is no better than James Winston or Johnny Manziel. Same kid, different name. People were begging to help him. He had/has access to elite substance abuse help and still can't summon enough discipline to move past this issue.
My dad is a Buckeye fan of 40 or so years, who has gone out of his way to make some snarky remarks about the OSU football program when he feels they're not living up to the tradition on the field (which is rare as of the last couple of decades, but happens). That's his way of venting. Would you also say that he's not a true Buckeye fan?
When your father makes snarky comments there aren't millions of people listening. He's talking to you or a friend... I'm assuming. Herbstreit is in a position to influence people's opinions, including recruits, and his snark specific to OSU, in my personal opinion, can be classified as a betrayal of sorts. In addition, your father probably isn't a former Buckeye captain and owes nothing to the program (if I'm wrong here then just say so). I've never once in my life said that anyone who criticizes Ohio State isn't a real fan. Never. I criticize the program at times. I'm a huge Fickell detractor, for example. But my criticisms are between me and a buddy, or this community. They aren't for the ESPN viewing audience, or Mike&Mike's radio listeners. Herbstreit can criticize all he wants... but the way in which he demeans and critiques OSU football (especially in years past) smells of a grudge he's holding against the fan base and/or someone within the program in my opinion. I'm not saying he should be a homer and fall all over himself when talking about the Buckeyes, but he certainly doesn't need to go out of his way to demean and belittle the very program to which he owes his career... and that's precisely what he does (or used to do with frequency).
I appreciate your post and I certainly respect your opinion... but I disagree specific to Herbstreit being a Buckeye through and through. Kirk Herbstreit, many times over, went out of his way to make snarky remarks about the Ohio State football program. I'm not going to rehash all of them, but there have been myriad comments and/or actions (dropping OSU in the polls after 2010 Sugar Bowl win, for e.g.) that cannot be taken back. There is an Emerson quote, one of my favorites, that applies here: "Your actions speak so loudly I can't here what you're saying." In other words, Herbstreit's belittling of OSU so many times over the years means that his recent jumping on the Buckeye bandwagon carries very little weight... in my opinion.
Who's "Jim Cooper"?
Noon starts to games are horrible. I don't drink, I'm 51 years old and I usually fall asleep (unless it's the Buckeyes or a game of tremendous interest to me) sometime during the second half of the 8pm game on Saturday nite... but noon starts blow nonetheless. I love the buildup of every Ohio State game. It starts on Thursday and continues right up until kickoff. If kickoff is at 12:00pm I feel cheated. There are only (hopefully) fifteen of these games a year. That's fifteen days out of 365... start the damn games at 3:30, or preferably at night.
Co winners: Ash & Warriner.
The difference in defense was Ash. It isn't coincidence that from 2011 thru 2013 the defense was abysmal, and then, all of a sudden, Ohio State's defense returns to solid/good play with the arrival of Ash. For those of you nominating Fickell, in my opinion you're deluding yourself. The defense was bad for all of Fickell's tenure as "the man". Chris Ash arrives and the unit goes from lousy to good in less than a year... and some of you seem to think Fickell was the reason for that. I don't get it. I'm certainly not saying you're unquestionably wrong, but I am saying that, to me, anyone crediting Fickell with the defensive turn around when Chris Ash is staring you in the face is tough to understand.
Horrible, horrible, horrible idea, in my opinion. Mix college kids, a charged environment, hatred (for the opponent) and alcohol and you're just begging for big problems.
I believe that MSU offered first. I don't know who at Ohio State (Meyer, Fickell, Ash) decided to slow play this kid, but I'm fairly certain that Dantonio offered first. This is picking nits of the highest order, I know, but IF there is an issue to be had with the way Meyer recruits it's that, in my opinion, he will sometimes look past the Ohio player toward the SEC area player. I have absolutely zero knowledge specific to Conner's recruitment, but I'm gonna give Fickell the credit for signing this kid as I believe he was the primary recruiter and I think Meyer had to be talked into offering Conner.
These are the ugliest helmets I've ever see. Not necessarily the color combo, although that's bad too, but these riddell helmets are hideous. The shape, the face mask... it's just horribly ugly. The Schutts are much nicer looking, in my opinion. Some of the newly designed Riddell's, the SpeedFlex primarily, are not bad looking at all... but these? These should be demolished. As for the uni, well, yeah, it's bad. I know many on here like Nike alternate uniforms and the Nike designs for the traditional uniforms... but I'm not one them. In my opinion, Nike has greatly reduced the aesthetics of the Ohio State traditional uniform. It's still one of the better uni's in college football, especially the helmet, but the jerseys and pants have been downgraded. The de emphasis of the black strip on the pants and the elimination of the gray stripes on the home jerseys is a shame. Why they felt the need to attempt to better what was the best uniform in college football is unfathomable to me. It's a classic example of screwing around with something until you've crossed a line and ruined what was once outstanding because you just couldn't stop tweeking it.
My goodness those were nice uniforms. Who ruined the pants, jersey and, when wearing the alternate uni, the helmet too??? Oh how I hate Nike...
This is comical. I'm sorry... I hate to trash someone's comment and I usually refrain from doing so, but ND is a better academic experience than OSU. I'm an Ohio State alum and a Buckeye fanatic... but Notre Dame is one of the elite universities in this country. It's Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, and the Ivy League. That you say it isn't better than Ohio State speaks to, possibly, your prejudice? Maybe your inability to acknowledge what is common knowledge? ND is superior academically to OSU. It just is. So are the service academies, MIT and Vanderbilt. Ohio State is a land grant, public, very large urban university. It's a nice, solid school... but Notre Dame is special. Saying it isn't makes you sound like a poor loser in the Eichenberg battle.
J.J. Watt is a monster, but Bosa will be better than him as long as he stays on his grind
C'mon. Slow down with these comments. I love Bosa and obviously he's a tremendous talent with what would SEEM to be a bright future playing football on Sundays, but Watt has already proven himself to be one of the elite players in the NFL... he's the best of the best. Watt is dominating that league right now, so to say that Bosa "will be better than (Watt)" is unfair... both to Bosa and to J.J. Watt. Spielman says Bosa is better than what Watt was AT THIS POINT in their careers, but saying Bosa will be better than Watt at the next level (which is certainly possible) is getting ahead of yourself. First, let's see if Bosa can duplicate last season's level of success, then we can worry about how good he'll become in the National Football League.
Scioto CC... where Jack Nicklaus honed his game while growing up in UA, and the course where Bobby Jones won his very first U.S. Open.
Waters was, is and will forever be screwed specific to this entire fiasco. I couldn't care less who the band director is at Ohio State, but I do care about someone being made a scapegoat and/or an example of. This is all Title IX driven. Every ounce of it. I'm sick and tired and tired and sick of Title IX.
No, I couldn't. My freshman year was '82, and at that time any state resident was admitted, test scores be damned. I personally believe that's the way it should be today and into the future. This is a land grant institution, a state university supported by tax dollars. Refusing a state of Ohio resident admittance based on standardized test scores is wrong, in my opinion. Every Ohio resident who wants to try to earn his degree should be admitted. That OSU has now raised its admission standards to the point that it has means that there are countless kids who aren't able to attend their state university. This, to me, could not be more wrong. In addition, from what I understand from people within the university who were there when I was in school and who remain there today, the education one gets at Ohio State is the same experience I had in the very early 1980's. The class sizes for freshmen and sophomores are still insanely large. Enormous lecture halls with hundreds of kids and one TA... who may or may not speak english clearly. Typically, one won't see a professor, outside of office hours, until his junior year. There are, of course, exceptions, but generally speaking Ohio State is now what it was 35 years ago... the largest (or top two or three) urban university in the world, and the class sizes and personal attention one receives hasn't changed in the least. What has changed is the cost, the admissions standards and the opportunity (or lack thereof). Listen, OSU is my alma mater and a huge part of my life, but if you want to be super selective specific to your admissions policy, and you want to be thought of as Notre Dame's or Northwestern's academic peer then you should not only improve your selection and admissions standards, but the quality of the Ohio State experience and education as well. Correct me if I'm wrong here (I certainly could be), but I just don't see where OSU's quality of education / experience has risen exponentially with the high admissions standards and costs.
I've got news for all the younger members of this community... people are, often times, pieces of dirt. It's not pleasant to hear that, and I'm sure many will think me a cynic, but the older I get (51) the more often I see it. This world is unfair (insert Rocky Balboa quote here about the world being a mean, nasty place that will beat you to your knees if you let it), and there are so many different sets of rules for different people that they're impossible to keep track of. Rose, who is an arrogant, abrasive, egocentric ass, is also one of the greatest baseball players who has ever lived. He has more than paid the price for his misdeeds... but a sorry, pathetic, drunk with power group of guys, many of whom have never played one minute of organized baseball, are hellbent on proving a point and keeping Rose from his earned place in the HOF. Rose is being made an example of. It's just that simple... and that's fine unless you're the one on the short end of the example stick. The baseball writers, MLB and all the commissioners have not only beaten their point to a bloody pulp, they've now crossed the line and the general public recognize them for what they are; a group of people who have lost all sense of compassion. No matter how big an asshole one is, if you see someone beating up on an old man, most would jump to his aid. The BB writers and MLB are now just beating up on an old man. I have zero respect for either organization.
This was when Ohio State had the best uniform in college football. Pant stripe? Perfect. Jersey stripe? Perfect. Everything about this uni? Perfect... thanks a lot Nike. You should change your company name to Adolf Satan.
Ok... specific to football and being able to referee a game, decipher what's going on on the field and handle oneself physically on a football field I think less of women. There you go. Football is a man's sport. It just is. Whether you like it or not, whether it offends you or not, football is a male driven, owned, played, coached and referreed sport... and it should be. It's ok, believe it or not, that there are still some gender specific opportunities in this country. This is a publicity stunt. Just like the very few and far between girls I see being allowed to enter high school wrestling tournaments and "compete" against the boys. Just like Michele Wie and/or Anika Sorenstam playing in a PGA event at the expense of a male PGA tour player. This woman refereeing in the NFL is at the expense of a man who is being denied his spot on the crew so the NFL can score points with certain women's groups across the country. In my opinion, to be a good football official one needs to have played the game so that he can understand the nuances and intricacies of the sport.
Disagree in totality. I've stood next to Welker in street clothes... he's thick. He doesn't appear to be on television, but he's slabs of muscle on slabs of muscle. Sproles is 5'6", 190lbs. Again, muscle on muscle. These guys are physical specimens; thick and muscled. Just because they're short, it's not even remotely the same. Not even close...
Didn't tune in until the game was over... anyone have any idea of how full, or empty, the stadium was?
On the flip side, please spare me with this "FOOTBALL IS IN A CRISIS" talk.
Again, yes, concussions are bad. Yes, head injuries are bad... but the concussion crisis is being overblown. Relatively speaking, the number of former football players (of which I am one) walking around with debilitating head injuries/CTE Vs the number of players walking around essentially healthy is very, VERY small. That doesn't mean head trauma isn't a serious consideration. That doesn't mean players like Chris Borland are overreacting. It does mean, however, that the chances of a player receiving a debilitating head injury and/or being diagnosed with a life altering disease like CTE after their playing days are over, whether that's through high school or the NFL, are very small. In my opinion, this "football crisis" is being driven by soccer moms and litigators. I'd say this to the anti football crusaders; if you don't want you son playing football then that's your decision, but don't don't try to convince the country that because Junior Seau committed suicide after being concussed while playing football that the sport is now an unsafe, barbaric undertaking whose participants will face a life of wheelchairs and mental illness after their playing days are over. It just isn't so.
Go. Go now while you can. I'm over 50... and stuck in Ohio. I say stuck, although we all have freedom of choice, but I'm staying in Ohio because of all the things you mentioned you don't yet have to concern yourself with: family, career, extended family. I can promise you this; if you don't go now and see if that's where you belong then you will most certainly regret it when you reach my age. I spent extended time in California when I was younger and wanted to and should have made the move... I didn't and I regret it (yes, regrets are real) every day. Listen, I have a great career here, my family is here, kid is here, but trust me when I tell you that you do not want to wonder what could have been when you're older. Move to the beach. If you're wrong and it isn't for you, well, Ohio will still be here. Your forum topic hit very close to home with me. Consider this advice a going away present. Now go while you're still young and unburdened. You won't regret it if you go, even if Florida isn't for you, because you took the chance.
Not sure why anyone listens to Cowherd. He's abrasive, arrogant... just an ass. In addition, he's never played a down of organized football in his life but loves to opine like he's a former All-American at USC. He's like the senator who's never served one single minute in the U.S. military, but loves to lead the debate for sending America's sons to some god forsaken place in the middle east to fight a war. I believe they're called "chickenhawks". Who cares what Cowherd thinks? It carries no weight. He has no experience whatsoever on which to form his opinions. He's just running his mouth... as usual. Listen to Dan Patrick. You'll be happier, or at least less aggravated.
Ok. Agree to disagree...
Again, I certainly respect your opinion, but there are people (U.S. News for e.g.) who are paid to rank these universities. Year in and year out, Notre Dame ranks as one of the elite universities in America. Not too long ago I read that publications ranking of the "top 20 universities" in the country (2015). The list read like it has in years past: MIT, the Ivy League schools, Stanford, Cal Tech, Northwestern, Duke... along with Notre Dame and a few more of the usual suspects. We can agree to disagree I suppose, but putting aside a few random examples of a school at OSU being higher ranked than its ND equivalent, it's quite obvious to me that Notre Dame is now, and has always been one of this country's great academic institutions. To argue that point (fact) would be akin to an Ohio State football hater arguing that the Buckeyes aren't really one of the country's elite football programs despite all the hard historical data proving otherwise. Just my two cents...