I'd love for Harris to be in, especially given that he's an Ohioan. It bothers me when elite Ohio players are left to commit elsewhere in favor of kids from the SEC footprint or the coast. Having said that, it seems that Harris is simply waiting himself out of the class. He has an offer and it's been open and commitable for a long, long time now. If he isn't a part of the class then it will be clear that he preferred to go somewhere else...
Based on today's comments, along with previously stated opinions, DJ, DiCaro, and some 11W community members commenting in yesterday's Elliott threads seem, often times, to strictly see one side, and only one side, of these situations. Seemingly, there is no room in their mind for the liars. They're aberrations, they say. Statistically speaking, they're correct... but tell that to Brian Banks, or Patrick Kane, or the Duke Lacrosse players, or the men falsely accused in the UVA rape case. I could go on, but there's no point. It's like talking to the wall...
Agreed. I, too, know of someone who was falsely accused... for nothing more than spite. Two of the accuser's friends came forward, almost two years later, to testify that the accuser had told both of them, prior to a party, that she was going to "get even" with her Ex by accusing him of raping her. Eventually, the accuser admitted to lying. Did she go to prison for destroying this man's life? No, she didn't. This was a local, well publicized case. I despise people, men or women, who physically assault others without cause (I define "cause" as defending one's self, defending someone else, or, as an example, when the father in Cleveland jumped his daughter's killer in the courtroom and pummeled his face... that was fine and I would have done FAR more than that if, God forbid, it was my daughter). Aside from situations like these, you simply CANNOT put your hands on another person in anger. However, the interesting part to me is that there are those who seem to have a big problem with people daring to call into question the truthfulness of some of these accusers, yet these same people never question the validity of the alleged victim's accusations and always take the accuser at her word. Their attitude seems to be, if she said he hit her then he MUST have hit her. Guilty until proven innocent. Clearly, there are documented, high profile examples of women who lie about being physically abused. To ignore this is illogical, imo. I don't know the statistics, but I believe most of the women who accuse men of physical abuse are, in fact, being truthful. Again, if you physically abuse/hit/slap/punch/kick/bite another person, MAN OR WOMAN, with few exceptions you should face legal consequences... and if you ACCUSE someone of abuse and you're lying, then you're as vile and evil as the physical abuser.
People need to get over it. The guy isn't gonna grow 4"... he's a 5'10" quarterback with exceptional skill. I stood next to Troy Smith, in street clothes, at the 2007 national title game. I'm 6'1" and I towered, and I mean towered over Smith. He's listed at 6'0" and there is no way on earth that guy is 5'11", let alone 6'0". I'd peg Smith at 5'9"... but he worked out pretty well. Give Martel a break with the constant, never ending height references and let's see how he performs.
The girl who ruined the life of Brian Banks isn't in prison... after admitting she lied when she accused him of rape. Banks, an elite SoCal recruit, was stripped of his USC scholarship, went to federal prison for a half decade and lost an opportunity to play professional football, and I mean his legitimate opportunity, not the pity opportunities that the Seahawks and the Falcons offered him after his release. The school district paid her 1.5 million after she and her mother sued them for being "unsafe" after Banks was convicted of rape. I believe the district sued her in the hope of getting the money back after Banks was released... but she didn't do time, as far as I know. The woman who accused Elliott, if proven to be lying, should absolutely do time. No matter the outcome, Elliott's reputation WILL suffer. Legitimate domestic abuse victims have my most sincere sympathy. Their abusers deserve prison, and a lengthy term at that. Women who falsely accuse men of this crime and ruin their reputations and lives deserve prison sentences equal to those who physically abuse others.
Dobbins, in my opinion, has a point. He's been a long time, loyal pledge who's recruited on behalf of Ohio State. He's seemingly never wavered. He's been "in" for months and he's absolutely an elite player. He's right, I'm sure, when he says that there are other schools that feel he's the only back they'd need in their class. It's disappointing that a loyal, long time member of the class feels slighted, obviously, that OSU is chasing a player who, six months before NLOI day, still isn't anywhere close to a decision. I don't believe it's the competition with Akers that's bothering Dobbins, rather it seems as if it might be a situation where there's only one football to go around and being the only back in the '17 class would be an advantage for whomever that one back might be. If he can't be THE running back in the 2017 class at OSU then he sounds confident that he would be the lone recruited back in the class of '17 for another top program.
What qualification(s) does she have? I mean, does she have credentials other than birthing an NFL player? And before anyone gets their feelings hurt, I'm not trying to bash her, so please don't call me a misogynist or a hater or all the labels some members of this community love to attach to people. I'm simply wondering if she worked in journalism at some point prior to Eli Apple being drafted by the Giants because a cursory google search didn't help me.
It's not that I don't realize winning 19 in a row on the road isn't absurdly difficult... but I also KNOW that Ohio State has recruited in a stratosphere far, FAR removed from almost everyone they play. Even schools like MSU, TTUN and Oklahoma. OSU consistently recruits at a level the Spartans have never even sniffed. TTUN is a program recruiting at a very high level... but nowhere near Ohio State. They're closer than most, but they're aren't at OSU's level. Oklahoma? Same thing as TTUN. Stoops recruits very well, but not to Meyer and Ohio State's level. Because of the sheer talent difference, both on the field and on the sideline, I just think the odds should almost always be in favor of the Buckeyes. The OU game this season will test Ohio State on the road like never before under Meyer, but because this team is so damn talented I will not at all be surprised to see the Buckeyes win. Do I expect it? Probably not... but it won't surprise me in the least if Meyer takes his team in to Norman and wins.
Number 10 Colorado Vs Ohio State was my first game ever at the 'Shoe. I was 6 and I vividly remember watching the Colorado players celebrating as they ran into the visitors locker room after the game as my dad and I were leaving . While walking on the track to leave the stadium at its south end we got trapped behind the ropes the Redcoats used to hold up to create a pathway for the players to enter their locker rooms. I was awestruck by the size of those guys, buy the uniforms, the pageantry associated with the game... I wanted, at just six years old, to be like them one day. I never made it... my football career ended after high school.
I'm not pretending Dunn is/was a "bum". Bum's don't get football scholarships to Ohio State... but everything in life is relative, and relative to his competition Dunn simply wasn't close to as good. Not as good as Hyde. Not as good as Elliott. Not as good as Weber. In addition, Dunn had always had behavioral issues, attitude problems, and battled the coaches. Now, he's suspended for a violation of team rules weeks before his last opportunity was to have presented itself. He's just one of those guys who was always on the edge of trouble, minor though it was, but he finally crossed a line, and that line he crossed cost him his last season at Ohio State and might have cost him a chance to play professional football.
Weber may have always had the higher upside...
May have? Lol. Weber absolutely had the higher upside when compared with Dunn. I can't understand how anyone thought Dunn was going to be the workhorse at running back this season, although I certainly know there were many who though just that. Weber has "it", in my opinion, and he's had "it" since the day he arrived on campus. Dunn? He did very close to nothing for four years and was only now in a position to earn some playing time because of the inexperience of Mike Weber. Had Weber not been injured last season then this entire 'inexperience' conversation would be moot and Dunn's PT, had he remained eligible, would have dwindled to the point that he was spending most of the game on the bench... where he'd been for the majority of his career.
"Wussification" was a term used by DJ in his Tuesday Skully. I was quoting him. I don't try to insult, "demasculate" (I think you meant emasculate) or otherwise be contrarian for spiteful purposes. The answers to your questions, in some cases, are obvious. I'm 52, so we didn't know the effects of concussions when I played football as a kid, no. In my personal experience, the kickoff is the most violent play in football, yes. I never once said that I wanted to make football "more violent", so I'm at a loss as to what you're referring to here. Football, in my opinion, is not more violent than it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago. As a matter of fact, I believe the game itself is actually less violent due to rules instituted. The players, however, are bigger, faster and stronger which makes some of the collisions more violent. In closing, I have no idea, sincerely, why you think I implied that football is the only way to "show strength, courage and grit". I never once said that, nor do I even remotely feel that way. You have no idea what I do for a living and I'm not going to go into it, but you'll have to trust me when I say that every day that I report for duty I see more "strength, courage and grit" than I ever saw on a football field. Again, commenting on these forums can lead to ambiguity in the readers eyes in terms of the intent and meaning of the post. I think, although I could be wrong, that somehow you interpreted my post as insulting to anyone who didn't play football, and arrogant, meat headed and just plain dumb in its delivery. I believe none of this to be true, but if my post was an affront to you then I will tell you that that certainly was not my intent.
Because of the ambiguity that sometimes exists when statements are made in forums like texting and/or internet posts, I have no idea if you're referring to me when you say, "What kills me is when people, who don't play, bitch about the "wussification" of football. They clearly have no idea about the human toll of the game". If, and I say IF, you're referring to me with this statement, well, you couldn't be more wrong. I did play organized football. Not college football, but organized football from age 10 through high school. I certainly could be wrong, but I believe that you've mentioned on here many times that you played one part of one middle school season in Marion, or some place local. If we work under the assumption that I'm correct in all that I've said to this point (and again, I certainly could be wrong), it would seem that I might have a far better understanding about football and the toll it takes on one's body than you... is that fair? Football is a brutal, beautiful game. It's the very best thing I've ever been involved with (I also coached sixth grade football, junior high school football and, for only one year, I helped coach high school football). Choosing to play is just that... a choice. These guys choose to participate knowing full well the risks and the rewards... and the rewards are great. Again, lets make it as safe as we can without fundamentally changing the game. If that statement makes me one of the people who "bitch about the wussification" of football then I guess you can count me among them, because if things continue on the path they're currently on, American football won't exist when my yet to be conceived grandson is old enough to play... and that, in my opinion, is a shame.
SAYONARA, KICKOFF? I love big hits as much as the next football fan, but I also love knowing the players risking their bodies for my entertainment...
You've made mention many times that Ohio State football players "risk their health/bodies/healthy futures" for your entertainment. Just to be clear, not a single player is "risking their body" for the entertainment of anyone. They're playing the sport of college football because they love it, because it gives them a forum to showcase their talent for the NFL, and because it pays in totality for their college education... a pesky six figure debt that most regular students carry with them for decades after graduation. I'm all for making the game safer through equipment, weight training, diet, concussion protocol, etc... but violent collisions are inherent in football. There's no way around that. Eliminate the violent collisions and you've turned the sport into something other than American football.
All these great color photos remind me that this was the first year of the now iconic and classic Woody Hayes designed uniforms. The absolute best college football uni ever donned. Stop tweaking it Nike (and OSU), go back to the way the designer intended it to be, which was uniform perfection, and bring back the thick black striping on the helmet and the pants and the grey "Buckeye" stripes on the jerseys. The current day uni is essentially the same... but those little tweaks make a dramatic difference.
Taking the evidence, or lack thereof, off the table for a minute, Joe Paterno is still Jay's father. They were close, as the entire family seems to be. I never cared for Paterno, and I mean long before the Sandusky scandal broke, but to expect his own flesh and blood to turn on him is pure folly, imo. Joe was Jay's hero... the man who raised him, loved him, gave him a career. Jay isn't going to participate in this like maybe you think he should, and I totally get that. I disagree with Jay's opinion specific to this, but I completely understand his blind loyalty.
AHOY, TALENT. The great thing about being an Ohio State fan is the Buckeyes drip talent. This has been true as long as I remember, even during the "lean" years of John Cooper.
Ironically, the talent level in the John Cooper era was tremendously higher, on average, than was the talent level during the much more successful (in terms of B1G titles and ttun wins) Bruce era. John Cooper was a beast of a recruiter... essentially, he was Urban Meyer lite in the living room. I still feel the sting of sitting in the craphouse in 1993, 95 and 97 after stunning Buckeye losses... wondering, "how is it possible that this team, absolutely FLUSH with Sunday talent, can't beat these assclowns?"
Baylor would be a perfect fit for Herman, because if/when Ohio State comes calling and Tom Herman is coaching the Bears, well, Baylor would have zero chance at holding onto him. When OSU calls, the coach at Baylor WILL absolutely listen. These two programs are simply NOT on a par with each other. I'd MUCH rather Ohio State poach Herman from Baylor than to have to fight Texas for him.
I don't necessarily believe Barrett to be an "über" accurate passer, but I think he's a more accurate thrower than was Miller. Here's the thing for me... I feel like Barrett is much closer to Miller's running ability than Miller is to Barrett's consistent passing accuracy and his ability to read defenses. I think Barrett is a better quarterback on the whole. Obviously, Miller is the better athlete... but again, it isn't like Barrett's a slouch in that regard. He's fantastic actually, but comparing his athletic ability to Miller's... well, that's the one guy Barrett cannot compete with athletically. But few, if any, people in college football can.
Agreed, Rky. Barrett, imo, is the better/more accurate passer and defense decipherer. In addition, while Brax is the best athlete I've seen at Ohio State in a long, LONG time, Barrett is no slouch as a runner. As a matter of fact, Barrett is a damn good running quarterback... one of the best actually.
I'm Irish/Italian Catholic... Notre Dame is my plan B. Always has been, always will be. I KNOW how unpopular that is on here, but it's a part of me. Not like Ohio State is part of me, but a part of me nonetheless. Just to be clear, in '95, 96 and through the recent Fiesta Bowls I cheered for the Buckeyes to lay a beatdown on ND like I do for every other team they play... with the exception of TTUN and Miami. For these two teams I hope the beatdown is demoralizing and vicious and far, FAR worse than every other Saturday.
I'm 52 and altho I've experienced lots of winning in my Buckeye fandom career; everything from Woody's juggernaut title teams of the late 60's and 70's thru Rose Bowls and B1G titles in the Bruce era, tremendous amounts of wins and talent in the Cooper era, the second golden era of my Buckeye lifetime with Tressel followed by the THIRD OSU golden era of my half century on earth with Urban. Through ALL of this, the 2002 national title game is THE choice for me. I was lucky enough to have attended that game, and it was then and remains today one of the five best experiences of my entire life.
20% of my measly 6000 Buckeye leafs and 10% of all future earnings... you're not dealin' with an idiot here!
Exactly, SCB. Stand up to injustice, unfairness, inequality, bigotry and bias... or you're not a whole lot better than the transgressor.
QUALIFIER: By "stand up to", I DO NOT mean shooting, stabbing, blowing up or any other asinine, insane behavior we've all become accustomed to as of late. Stand up to... say something! Use processes in place to right a wrong.
I visit LO10 nightly to read Birm. I still visit 11W multiple times a day... but until if and/or when Eleven Warriors decides to replace Birm with another recruiting contributor I simply won't spend as much time on the site as I used to during the off season. During the season? I'll be here more than any other site I frequent, football or non football.