The BeerPooBah, PSU may not have been "Miami" good in the 1980s but they won 2 MNC. Only Miami won more MNC during the decade and PSU beat Miami the one time they went head to head for one. Miami and PSU were the only teams to win multiple MNC during the 1980s.
That wasn't a night game, it was a 3:30PM game that was obviously dark for all of the second half. Nice try.
The excuse? How about having an 80+ year old coach who should have retired back in 1999(or earlier). I have great respect for Paterno and he made PSU into a powerhouse but he stayed 10-12 years too long and held the program back.
Yeah, it only took decades for the B10 to finally relent on the no night games in November. Everyone else in college football has been playing night games in November for years.
My guess is PSU will rise in your games to worry about/look forward to in future years. PSU beat Wisconsin twice during our probation years and they are a team I can't see being all that great moving forward especially with Paul "jesus" Chryst as their head coach. MSU took advantage of Michigan being down so I can see them falling back to the middle of the pack once Harbaugh has Michigan rolling again. MSU has never been a school that has had any more than a few good years in a row before they head into a bear market.
I wasn't. Just putting my 2 cents in to the OSU fans who think it is absurd that some PSU fans think the PSU/OSU is a rivalry game. So skin off my back if OSU fans don't consider us rivals. Having a team consider you a rival and $1.87 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I rather PSU be the team that when other teams see PSU on the schedule, they acknowledge that PSU is the team they will need to beat if they want to 1) go to the B10 Championship, 2) Win the B10, and/or 3) get into the playoffs.
Unlike OSU, PSU doesn't define itself based on who we think our rivals or who thinks PSU is or isn't our rivals. I couldn't care less if you view us as a rival or not. All I care about is winning football games. PSU has been playing with one hand tied behind their back in recent years so enjoy your success now. Nothing lasts forever. There is no reason why PSU can't get back into the upper echelon in the world of college football.
I would say that when two teams represents a big obstacle for each other with regards to winning the conference championship, then those two teams are rivals. When 2 teams play and it seems like a big game atmosphere- sold out attendance, primetime national championship games, etc., then those two teams are rivals. PSU won 2 B10 championships over the last 10 years. Michigan has won zero. Even in the years that PSU did not win the conference, it sure did seem like a big game atmosphere when OSU/PSU played- see 2007, 2009. Only probation and PSU's roster getting decimated has made this game one sided in recent years.
Cameron Wake played LB at PSU and played OLB in Miami when they played a 3-4 so can certainly count him. Even w/o counting Hali at LB, PSU still has some very good/great LBs playing in the NFL and you would be hard pressed to find any school that has the collection of NFL LBs that PSU currently has. UGA is probably the closest.
Hindsight is 20/20. In reality, when PSU elected to attend the Orange Bowl, OSU had yet to lose to Michigan. Few people thought that OSU would lose to Michigan so it seemed like a moot point where PSU played(in terms of playing for a national championship). Also, didn't the B10 have a rule back in those days that said a team could not appear in back to back Rose Bowls? So, in PSU's viewpoint, if OSU beats Michigan, then they win the national championship. So, faced with this, their choice was to either play in Dallas on Jan 1st(yuk!!!) or play in beautiful Miami where they can spend their off time with pretty girls in bikinis on the beach.
This is why football in the SEC is so much more exciting than in the B10. In the SEC, teams have MULTIPLE rivals- yes, MULTIPLE rivals. OSU fans, like the B10 in general, still likes to hold onto antiquated notions like no night games in November and the claim that a team can have only 1 rival. In the SEC, for instance, UGA is rivals with GT, Auburn, Florida, and Tennessee. Alabama is rivals with TN and Auburn. Florida is rivals with FSU and UGA. I never understood the notion that only ONE team can be another team's rival. Sure, you may have 1 team that you despise over all others but that doesn't mean you can't have multiple rivals.
Would not have made a difference where PSU played their bowl game since Nixon declared the winner of TX-Ark as the national champeens.
Actually, this information is incorrect. After Arrington I believe was the last 1st rounder we had at LB. We certainly weren't consistently putting in 1st rounders between the Arrington-Lee years. But, since 2005, PSU has a lot of talent at LB into the NFL regardless of what round they were drafted it. Guys like Navorro Bowman, Tamba Hali, Sean Lee, Gerald Hodges, etc. have all played well in the NFL regardless of the fact that they weren't first rounders.
I think PSU's rate of LB production has actually been BETTER since Poz finished at PSU. Bowman is an all pro, Lee is one of the best ILB in the NFL when healthy. Hodges should emerge as a starter with the Vikings this year. Ever less heralded LBs like Tim Shaw, Josh Hull, Nate Stupar, and Glenn Carson have managed to stick around the NFL for multiple years albeit as backup LBs.
It is a school that has an excellent long term track record of putting great LBs into the NFL hence our nickname.
PSU was dubbed Linebacker U because of all the successful LBs that they placed in the NFL. Also, we did not name ourselves Linebacker U, other folks did that for us. Ever today, PSU's LBs in the NFL are having much more success than the former OSU LBs. Navorro Bowman is a multiple year all pro. Tamba Hali is a 4 time pro bowler. Cameron Wake is an all pro. Sean Lee would be at least a pro bowler if he could stay healthy for at least 14 games per season. Who is OSU's current best LB in the NFL- James laurinatis? PSU probably has at least 4 LBs in the NFL that are considered better.