24 was our kicker Drew Basil and the guy trucking him appears to be a LB, actually if you watch that play closely it appears the snapper blocks the wrong direction,,,he steps left when the play is obviously designed to go right, hence why the db has any shot at KG at all, ie missed assignment led to completely blown block and then a 1 on 1 fight to the goal line
well a couple things i take away, the experiment of using Elfien at Center came to nothing but last we heard Lindsay was dinged up and behind Boren, now they are an Or a bit of a surprise there.
Heuerman not having an OR must mean he is essentially 100% ready to go which is good news
Cam Johnston was NOT a rugby player he was Aussie Rules football he just Rugby kicks at times, i am sure he is fit as Aussie Rules requires a ton of running but not likely we will see him plow threw the line like Richie McCaw or Kieran Reid of the All Blacks, as Aussie rules is closer to full time punting while running and not the physical ground game rugby is
lastly like seeing a guy like Craig Fada get some love, an invited walk on in the DC is a great reward for a kid who has busted his tail
as the old boxing ref Mills Lane would say "lets get it on"
Not a rugby player but Aussie Rules football not nearly the same level of physicality as rugby, more like constant punting to a team mate
that 09 game is a great example of team not focused for 60 minutes
we take the opening KO and proceed right down the field and score to go up 7-0, Navy then goes right down the field and scores too, 7-7
we then right back down for 1st down on the Navy 11, Saine runs for 1 yard, TP throws an INC and then a false start (guess who?), then on 3rd and 13 TP completes an 8 yard pass to Saine for 8 kick the FG up 10-7,
OSU D then forces a 3 and out but on the PR we get called for a block in the back and instead of having the ball at our 20 we have at the 10
we go 3 and out and kick a short punt putting Navy at midfeld,,,they fumble we take it in for TD 17-7,
Navy get 1 FD then punts,,,the game is far from in hand but Tressel puts in Joe Bauserman, we do drive down to the Navy 14, but on 2nd and 10 we call a QB draw for Joe B and on 3rd down he throws the ball away!!! kick a FG up 20-7 half time
Navy goes 3 and out to start the 2nd half and is pinned deep in their own end, they punt we get the ball at the Navy 42
an run for 4 and its 2nd and 6, a false start and a dead bowl foul followed by a hold and though make it 2nd and 26 at our 42, a QB draw goes for 4 and then an INC pass kills good field position and we punt again downed at the Navy 1.
The D which much now think we have these guys figured out allows a 99 yard drive allowing them to convert a 3rd and 14 on a TD pass for 16 yards to end the drive 20-14 its a game again.
the offense wakes up a bit drives enough for 52 yd FG to make it 23-14.
The D wakes back up and gets a fumble, we drive it in for a TD to make it 29-14 but we botch the XP
we then get a INT, and get the ball at midfield, we are up by 15 have the ball at midfield drive for any score and the game is over
so we get down to the Navy 15 and on 4th and 2, Tressel breaks type and instead of kicking the chip shot FG goes for it we fail and instead of going up by 18, ie 3 scores and putting the game away, we are still only up 15 (2 scores) and now Navy is pumped
sure enough the D goes back to sleep and allows an 85 yard TD pass so now its 29-21.
now it is time for TP to go to sleep and throws a INT giving Navy the ball back in our end again, they drive for the score and finally Rolle saves it
OSU was a comedy of errors that day from the coaching decisions (Bauserman and 4th down), Special teams with a botched XP, to the QB not being careful with the ball late in the game with an INT, to the D giving up a long TD when you should be in prevent, to stupid penalties killing drives
even a reasonably clean game by OSU and we win in a walk over. we played inconsistent and sluggish all day and Tressel compounded it by playing Bauserman early to kill momentum and instead of making a wise coaching decision late to take a FG and go up by 3 scores he instead wanted to "make a statement" and failed as we often did with a Bollman line, this keeping Navy within striking distance.
Mick Tingelhoff was a Center for the Vikings who was still getting all pro recognition as late as 1970 and continued to start in the NFL until 1978 and is a HOF candidate for 2015 played at only 6'2" and 237, ie smaller than Carlos Hyde
Navy has been stopped many times even with their system, it simply requires disciplined assignment football I mean WKU last year held them to 86 yards on the ground.
Navy is committed to the run like no one else. even in that loss to WKU they ran the ball over 30 times in a 19-7 loss. they had more rushing attempts than any other team in the country at 775 in 13 games or nearly 60 per game.
So if they dont run it atleast 40 times against us i will be surprised and they rarely get shutout due to those discipline issues, as witnessed by the fact that they have been shutout once in the last 7+ years
where they are vulnerable, and why i think we have success is their defense often has trouble stopping teams, especially teams with good outside talent and/or spread teams, they simply struggle to stop them
when Braxton was still in the picture I assumed that barring a catastrophe we would score over 40 and even if we gave up some points we would win easily maybe even 42-21 as an example...with Braxton out it is a bit more unknown, but if we can keep pressure off JT and he actually can distribute the ball like some claim, then we may be ok and still score 35+
that 2009 game is exactly what Vannett is talking about, ie even if you get up on them you have to continue full throttle
the O, D, Sp teams and even Tressel almost let that game get away in the last 12 minutes
the game had been close but we were controlling play, then a long FG, a fumble recovery and a TD put us up by what should have been 16 points with 12 minutes to go, but then the mistakes started
first we botched the XP - 1 point lost so only 15 instead of 16 points
Navy helps us by throwing a INT to give us the ball at midfield, drive for any kind of score and the game should be over, even a FG puts you up 18, ie 3 scores, with less than 9 minutes to play
well we drive to the Navy 15 and it is 4th and 2, this is a 33 yard FG that we should make 99% of the time,,,but,,, Tressel for once goes against type and rather than kick the sure 3 pts and effectively end the game,,wants to make a statement and we fail to convert on 4th and 2, bad coaching decision at that point, take the sure 3 and end the game, - 3 pts lost instead of a 19 point lead, or at least 18 points, it is still 15 points
now it is the defenses turn to go to sleep.
Navy is 85 yards away with 6:27 left to play,,so what happens, we go to sleep in the DB and give up an 85 yard TD pass, with the XP it is now an 8 point game with still over 6 minutes to play, so now instead of up 19 or 18, we are up 8, even with this 1 mistake, take away the other 2 and it is still a 12 point game ie still 2 scores.
so we get the ball back, so with 2nd and 9 from our own 40 with 4 minutes to go, Tress decides to throw the ball, and TP has a complete brain melt down and throws a terrible pick giving Navy the ball at our 33 yards line. Navy takes 3 plays and scores
then Rolle saves the day.
Navy insides, we recover and then run out the last 2 plus minutes
play a mistake free last 12 minutes and we win that game 33-14
hoping Grant puts it together at least as well as Sabino did a few years ago.
comparing him the Rod Smith though i think is a bit too harsh to Grant
Grant has been at least a part time starter at times (approx 20 starts the last 2 years) and even though he hasn't been overly productive he has been on the field a ton
Smith has been on offensive after thought, often buried 3 or 4 deep on the chart and even though he has played in the same number of games as Grant (31), he has never been a starter and has only once been the #2 guy when we had guys hurt and depleted early in 2012 i believe. otherwise he has been a mop up duty kind of player with no major role in games
I hope both have satisfying final years and both break out big time..
sorry i am just not buying the MD hype
they won 7 games last year, the teams they beat went 1-11, 3-9, 4-8, 2-10, 3-9, 8-5 and a 8-4 1AA team, ignoring Old Dominion (who gave up 80 points to UNC btw), the other teams they beat were a combined 21-52
the teams they lost to, (FSU, Wake, Clemson Syr, BC and Marshall) were a combined 53-26
i know they had injuries that hurt their cause, but perhaps they their wins and losses can be better explained by the caliber of opponent and not injuries
the only team over .500 they beat was Va Tech who had 5 losses and who they beat in OT by 3 after blowing a 14 point 3rd qtr lead
sorry until they beat someone with a pulse, not buying getting on that Terrapin band wagon,,,and no beating USF, WVU and Syracuse before they play us doesnt count
my big concern even before Braxton's health became a concern was how much "untested" or "unproven" talent we were going to be relying on, now add in his loss and it's just another notch
OLine - essentially 70% of the O-line is unproven and largely untested in real heat of battle conditions
the QB has never taken a snap in a real game and the back up is untested
RB's have some experience, but other than running wild in back up roles against terrible teams last year, none has been even close to being the #2 man and the presumptive starter EZE has missed nearly 2 weeks of camp due to an injury
WR - Smith was solid to good but not great, Spencer has been decent but still unproven to my mind, Wilson showed flashes but was hit and miss and every one else is untested
TE -we seem solid except the returning starter is coming off a foot injury as is not yet 100%
Kicker is a battle between an 2 untested players ie a walk on and true freshman
DL is very strong but our best pure pass rusher is out suspended for 2 weeks and the guy thought to be his back up left the team and under a new coach and scheme
LB, one solid player returning 1 mediocre player returning and everyone else is untested and unproven in real games and new scheme
DB, 3 new starters 4 if you count Nickel back, all of them largely unproven with maybe Bell the exception.
Punter very good
that is a lot of unknowns, spring games mean little, did the pass D look good that day because it was so improved or because Barrett and Jones suck? or dont forget most of the starting DL didnt even play in that game and both units looked mediocre to poor all day both running and passing...was that great D or bad O or some combination???
so many question marks...my thought was that Miller would come back, play even better than before, we would improve on D and be in contention for a Conference and National title again, as i thought Miller's abilities would help us overcome any early deficiencies.
now he is gone and i dont feel so confident that Barrett will be able to overcome those potential "unknown" "unforeseen" deficiencies.
I hope for the best, but unless Barrett is the 2nd coming on Jamies, i think a couple losses are likely
sure hoping i am wrong
Krenzel started both the UM and bowl but was pulled early for Bellisari. and although he didnt start the Illinois game he played more than half of it in relief of McMullen
besides by the start of 2002 he was a RS junior who had played in 10 games and thrown over 50 career passes with 2 starts, hardly comparable to Barrett
Troy i agree
I have no problem with wanting to stay positive but the comments about Jameis and Johnny etc put way too high an expectation on this kid
dont forget yes we are OSU and we have a ton of talent, but
we also will have at least 7 new starters on offense (4 OL, QB, RB, WR) and maybe TE if Heuermann is not ready to go yet.
I think to "expect" much more than what Pryor did in 08 is to set yourself up for disappointment
Pryor that year ran for 600 yards and 6 TDs and passed for 1300 yards and 12 TDs with 4 INT's in the equivalent of about 11 full games (10 as starter and 3 off the bench), extended to 14 games, (should we make the B10 champ game and a bowl), then that would be 750 yards rushing and maybe 8 TDs and 1600-1700 yards passing and maybe 15 TDs and 5 INTs
That year TP had a veteran team around him with Beanie (although dinged up for part of the year) still running for nearly 1200 yards and 8 scores and Herron for nearly 500 yards and 6 more scores.
that's 2400-2500 yards of Total offense for Barrett and 23 TDs responsible for. compare that to Braxton last year who had almost 3200 total yards and 36 TDs responsible for and he didnt play in nearly 3 full games against cupcakes...
thats a realistic expectation for this kid is to duplicate Pryor, and then we have at least 700 yards of total offense and 13 tds to make up with everyone else to match last years performance in essentially 11 games,,,if you add in Guiton's numbers it gets even worse.
do i think we can still win every game? Yes, is it likely we see Barrett rack up Guiton against Cal and FAMU type numbers against Navy, Va Tech and UC? absolutely not.
due to that are those games now riskier than they were before? you bet.
could and OSU team that runs the table and wins every week by 7-10 points get bypassed for the playoff, absolutely they could....
to my mind we need to stop with the Jameis comparisons or even the Guiton comparisons until this kid at least takes 1 snap in a real game
his last surgery had a 5+ month window before he was cleared to throw. assuming he has it done this week and that is any indicator of timeline, it is February before he can throw again,,,
this may also play into Braxton's decision to come back, ie if it takes until early February before doctors say he is good to start throwing again and the combine is in 2-3 weeks after that, he may not feel that is enough of a window to get ready
I think if he wants to use Cardale like he used Tebow in 06 thats fine with me, Tebow threw less than 3 passes per game back then but ran the ball over 6 times a game mostly in short yardage.
given that they lost Miller and dont want to burn Colliers RS, then using Cardale and his significantly bigger body for those kinds of power runs in the Red Zone on in short yardage could be very useful
Tebow only got about 10-15 snaps a game back then, if we limit Cardale to that and otherwise take that physical toll off JT it could work wonders. Plus Cardale has shown ability to run and the guy is listed as 6'5" and 250,,,imagine him at the 2 yard line in the shot gun with EZE and or Wilson on the backfield....
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JT may be very good and we will have to wait until at least the 30th to know that.
My concern is that unless you are Johhny or Jameis, freshman always have "those games" where they simply struggle, even sometimes against teams where you wouldn't think so (think how an otherwise solid Hackenberg looked terrible against our lousy pass D last year)
Miller in 2011 had 5 games where he completed less than 50% of his passes,
Pryor in 2008 completed only 10 of his last 26 passes that year against UM and Texas
Zwick and Smith back in 04 had many games where 1 or both struggled
Bellisari struggled all year in 1999
those are the last 4 times we had an untested So or Fr lead the offense and our combined record in those 4 years was 31-20 and in all 4 of them we lost at least 3 games...
granted JT could be great, and yes teams like FSU last year, or OSU in years like 1993, 1973 and 1968 (when we had untested FR/SO QB starters at the helm) can have great seasons.
but if JT or Cardale are unable to be at least consistent passers, (not great but 50% plus and more TDs than INts) then teams will load the box and shut down the run as well making us rely on a D that as of today we have no idea how it will perform
i am hoping for the best, but if i had to guess, we will get tripped up a couple times at least this year due to either bad passing combined with something else
lastly i think we may also be looking at having to rely on a good kicking game as red zone efficiency may drop, meaning our new place kicker (again untested) will likely become more important.
lots of question marks all over the offense, if i was a pollster or gambler i would not be betting on this team to run the table.
Certainly hope I am wrong though
I am not going to say anything negative about JT as he seems to be a great kid who is being put in a tough spot and we need to rally around him.
i thought it might be interesting to look at the last few times we have started either a freshman or untested Soph in a season and what the results have been like over the last 51 years ie my lifetime
2011 - Braxton Miller - true freshman, went thru 1 spring, started the majority of games, team went 6-7 and lost a low level bowl game
2008 - TP as a true freshman, came in with no spring and became the starter early, team went 10-3 and was co conference champs lost their fiesta bowl game
2004 - Troy Smith and Justin Zwick both relatively untested split time, we go 8-4 win the Alamo bowl
1999 - Steve Bellisari - untested sophomore starts the majority of games and goes 6-6, no bowl bid
1993 - relatively untested Bobby Hoying splits time with untested Senior Brett Powers but Hoying is the starter, team goes 10-1-1 co conference champ wins the Holiday bowl
1988 - Greg Frey - untested sophomore OSU goes 4-6-1 in Cooper's first year. no bowl of course
1982 - Mike Tomzack - untested soph, OSU goes 9-3 but loses 3 of 1st 5 games including 3 at home to FSU, Stanford and Wisky, no conference title but wins Holiday bowl and beats UM
1978 - Art S true freshman in Woody's last year, goes 7-4-1 losing Gator bowl sets school record for INTs in a single season
1973 - Corny Greene - untested SO, OSU goes 10-0-1 and wins Rose Bowl just misses national title
1968 - Rex Kern - untested SO leads OSU to undefeated national title
1963 - Don Unverferth - untested SO, OSU would go 5-3-1, no bowl or title but beat UM
so a wide range of performances across those 51 years, a national title and nearly a 2nd, 4 Big Ten Titles, plus 2 losing seasons and 8 seasons with atleast 3 loses/ties in the 11 times we have faced this in the last 5 decades.
of course every year is unique and i certainly hope JT can do the job, bus assuming EZE and Heuerman are both out the first week (which may be true given they are both still limited with 9 days to go) thats means 80% of our scoring from last year will be gone or unavailable for the Navy game and we break in 4 new OLmen with the only returning starter being Evan Spencer (maybe?) and Taylor Decker and Devin Smith (again assuming Heuerman is not ready to go)
Navy may not be a juggernaut but that is a ton to put on JT's shoulder to assume against a reasonable quality opponent on the road with almost no production coming back, to walk in there and come away with even a win let alone a big win that impresses pollsters>>>
hopefully this team can resemble that 73 or 68 team, heck even the 93 team, and avoids the 11, 99 and 88 teams...
this unit last year already set the single season record for sacks with 42, (96 unit of Vrabel, Finkes, Fickell and Big Kat held it previously with 41)
to think they may get even better is amazing to ponder
Oregon St is maybe a slight bump up from UNC, they have a better winning pct in the last decade than UNC (even adding back in UNCs vacated wins) but in the last 5 years UNC has been better so to a large degree a wash, no doubt UNLV is a step down, but was obviously put on the schedule for the home game without the return commitment, ie money driven.
UNC was likely unwilling to play osu at home and give up the return to Chapel Hill, so they got dropped.
I too long for better schedules but as long as no more than 1 MAC team and zero 1AA teams would be an improvement..
1961 ohio state played TCU of the Southwest conference (a major conference at that time), UCLA who won the Pac10 Title and Oregon also of the PAC10
1967 OSU played Arizona and Oregon on the road
1973 OSU played TCU and Wash St
the only non-major conference teams Woody ever played in his tenure are as follows
1953 on the road against U of Penn, back when the Ivy was still considered a D1A level conference and 1967 Arizona at home who was in the WAC at the time,,,and thats it,
every other team he played in his 20+ years was from a major conference. Can Bear Bryant say that? i think not,
In his tenure they played the following schools who were not Major conference teams at the time - Southern Miss 6 times, Louisville 2 times in 76 and 77 when they were a low level Independent, Furman 2 times, Memphis 2 times, Tenn Chattanooga, Richmond, Tulsa, Wichita St, Akansas St and UC when they were a low level Independent in 1982. Thats 18 such games vs 2, and i am not even counting playing someone like Miami FL in the 60's when they were a low level independent as well,
18 vs 2!!!
I believe you are right Space,,UM had clinched a tie and had Wisky won and UM lost they would have tied for the title (at 7-1 each in conference) and Wisky would have gone to the Rose Bowl as UM had gone the year before having lost to USC, and they had the better overall record and had not played head to head.
not as far as i have heard, same thing happens at OSU a visitor is given OSU gear. Heacock has 3 coaches on that KSU staff that he has worked with in the past
Haynes of course who was at OSU for several years
Ben Needham who was twice an OSU defensive GA, and Dave McMichael who was an ast under Heacock at Muskingum way back in the mid 70's
PLus Don Treadwell coached with his brother and Tressell at YSU, so i am sure he knows him well
likely just a visit
i voted worse because i think although the passing may be better (still tbd), with 3.5 new o-linemen and new RBs we are unlikely to have 2 1000+ yard rushers along with another who will gain over 500. (our top 3 guys last combined for over 3100 yards and 35 rushing TDs.
ie historic levels, essentially on par with Archie and Pete Johnson and Corny Greene ran for in 1975. (in 75 those 3 ran for just over 3000 yards and 37 TDs.
so my guess is the rushing will slip much closer to 2012 numbers where the top 3 gain 2800 yards and but still about 35 tds
so will the passing game be able to make up the 300 or so yards lost in the run game, ie go from about 2880 yards to closer to 3200 yards or nearly 230 yards a game vs 200, my guess is no.
reason being is we will be playing a much tougher schedule this year, no Florida A&M, No Cal etc where we can rack up 1200 yards of total offense and 128 points. (the other 12 games we averaged just under 500 yards a game and 42 per game)
my guess is given these factors we will average over 14 games the same as we averaged in the 12 games last year that were not against Cal and A&M, so around 480 yards a game rather than 512, and 42 per game vs 46 per game.
i voted for McMillan as i think Dixon will be splitting touches with a ton of other guys
at the various receiver spots you have Smith, Spencer, Thomas, Wilson, Heuerman, Vannett, Clark, and Greene, then add in the RBs for an occasional catch and that's a bunch of ways to split the touches up.
lets assume he comes in 4th or 5th in receptions on the team and we complete around 250 passes (ie about 12 more than last year), then my guess is he comes in around 20 receptions, but if he ends up 5th/6th, then we are likely looking at 15 touches in 14 games, ie very minimal
my guess is with occasional LB rotation, mop up duties and special teams Kwon is hopefully looking at around 30 tackles, maybe more if he can get on the field more
i think both will be great additions but i see Kwon on the field a bit more
actually although many opponents had been weak and there had been a few "hiccups", going into the last 3 games we were averaging the following on D
Pts Allowed - 18.3 (which if sustained would have ranked us 9th nationally and given us 3 easy wins)
Pass Yards allowed - 238.1 which if sustained would've ranked 7th ie bad but not gawd awful)
total yards allowed - 364.3 or what would have been enough for 31st
so again not Heacock level but compared to 11 and 12 a significant improvement, but the last 3 games were as bad a stretch as any OSU D in my memory has ever been and thats since 1968