no Joe G is not related in fact it is a different spelling, Joe Germaine and Germain the auto dealer
i dont want to down play what he has done, but Barrett has played 2/3rds of his games against pass D's that rank outside the top 80 in Pass Eff D. (Navy 81, KSU 122) and one ranked 36th.
i mean should be excited because our pass D ranks 7th in Pass Eff D and 4th in pass yards allowed even though we have played 2 teams who simply cant or wont throw and a 3rd in Va Tech who ranks 87th in Pass Eff O and 55th in Passing yards??? or maybe our pass D numbers look great because our competition was lousy
or should we assume MSU is lousy at pass D because their numbers are skewed by one game against Oregon??
I too think Barrett has done quite well all things considered, but i will assume he will not face another D as bad as Kent St the rest of the year, and not nearly as bad as them
any school and i do mean any, can be competitive if they simply commit the resources to it.
Boise St is a perfect example of that
they didnt even start playing football until the late 60's, but starting in 1970 they built a new stadium, have expanded and upgraded 3 times since then to attract fans and show commitment to the programs when they were still a 1AA team.
in 1997 they hired Houston Nutt as their HC who had been 1AA national coach of the year 2 years prior at Murray St, they immediately got better (going from 2-10 to 5-6), Nutt left for Arkansas and they hired Dirk Koetter, who had been the OC at Oregon for the last 2 years, BC before that and and Missouri going back to the late 80's,
he led them to back to back conference titles in 99 and 2000, and 2 bowl wins, then Dan Hawkins got promoted from within and kept the momentum going, they move up to the WAC and win 4 straight conference titles under hawkins and then Peterson takes over and wins 5 more titles
from 1999 to last year they played and beat, often away from their home stadium the following teams (Washington in 12, ASU and UGA in 11, Va Tech and Oregon St in 10, Oregon and TCU in 09, Oregon in 08, Oklahoma and Oregon St in 06, Oregon St in 04, TCU in 03, Iowa St in 02, Louisville in 99,
all this from a program with no history, mediocre facilities, no recruiting base and little TV
hire the right guy, commit the money and the results will happen.
to not expect success is to court mediocrity
oh yeah and a BTW, last year Boise spent as much or more than the following B1G programs did on their coaching staff, (MSU, Wisky, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, MD, Rutgers, Minny), if your not going to compete with a program like Boise St financially, then you have no hope of competing with the SEC or the top half of the conference year in and out on the field
one last note, UC out spent all those programs too!!! think of that for a while!!!
many B1G ADs simply need fired or are being handcuffed by Presidents who simply dont care to complete
here is my take on why we dropped
1) the loss to Va Tech looks much worse after they lost (and got outplayed) by ECU
2) The win against Kent does not offset that bad loss now (Kent is terrible at 0-3 and maybe the worst team in div 1A
3) Navy hasnt exactly lit anyone up since we beat them, They went off the next week and beat a very weak Temple Team by only 7 points, and then beat Texas St by only 14, ie they have not been impressive since we beat them
4) in that extended logic, Kent St had already lost to a bad Ohio U team and S Alabama who Miss St just pounded
in 2 weeks when we play UC we will get another chance to look impressive against a team who got 14 points in the latest AP Poll (ie considered ranked tied for 37th nationally. if we are impressive again, say beat them 42-10, then we likely start moving back up, but if we are not, say win 31-24, then we likely remain in the lower reaches of the poll and rightly so
since nebraska was not part of the B10 prior to his taking over, here is NW record from Barnett's first title til the year prior to Fitz taking over against OSU, UM, MSU WI, PSU and bowl teams---16-30 or 35%, Fitz since has gone 6-29 or 17%.
Fitz has lost 18 of his 103 games as HC by 21 or more, thats 17.5%. prior to that was 21.4% so slightly improved but by essentially 4 games over 8+ years,,
Kent is a very weak team especially offensively, they simply cant run the ball at all and although their QB looked decent against Ohio U, he looked terrible last week against S Alabama, a far cry from looking decent against Navy and terrible against Va Tech.
they may get 1 score on a fluke or a garbage time score, but if they get more than 10 we failed defensively (i am assuming no more pick sixes)
defensively they have looked decent against 2 very weak teams but they do have at least a modest amount of talent and ability on that side of the ball, ie mid MAC level.
we should,,,,again,,, should score at least 40 against these guys since we got 34 against a much better Navy team on the road.
i think failure to reach a 42-10 (ie a 30+ point win) or better means we are in for a long season, if we beat a very weak Kent team by say 28-7 or 31-10 then i think games like UC are simply up for grabs
football doesn't grade on a curve so the lack of experience thing means nothing to me in terms of assessment, I gave him a D if for no other reason than throwing 4 INTs in 44 pass attempts
if that doesn't improve he will set the single season record for INTs in school history.
I get he is young, inexperienced and in terms of judging him based on those criteria then maybe a C, but in terms of decision making and taking care of the ball he has been woefully lacking so far.
I se potential, he seems quite accurate when given plenty of time, he has some solid if unspectacular running ability, But he needs to learn to throw the ball away and to make better reads in the option game
from the UM loss in 2003 until Troy took over in week 7 of 2004, Tressel was 4-4 over an 8 game span that included losing to UM, Losing on the road to a 6-6 NW team for the first time in 3 decades, losing at home by 11 at home to a Wisky team that went 9-3 and a 26 point loss to Iowa on the road who although they were conference co champs had lost 3 weeks earlier to Arizona St by 37 pts.
the 4 wins were by 8 points over a mediocre NCST team, a 3 point win in a miracle FG over Marshall and 21 point win over a mediocre UC team.
in 2001 from week 2 to week 10 Tressel went 5-4 including losses to a 7-4 UCLA, home against 5-7 Wisky, a 5-6 PSU, home against Illinois,,,
did you call for his head then?? or claim he didn't know how to coach???
By comparison, Meyer had lost 3 games, 2 on away from the Shoe to teams who ended the year ranked in the top 8, and one at home to a team currently ranked and as far was know may end up the year in the top 10
I love the quote about Randy Hart, he is still coaching as the DL coach at Stanford. After leaving OSU in 1987 he would go off to Washington and be their DL coach for the next 20 years (88-2008), then did 1 year at ND then at Stanford since 2010. Hart was a member of the 1968 national champs team and graduated from OSU back in 1970.
although never a starter he was a 3 time letter winer between 67-69.
Delaney simply works at the behest of the the schools themselves, principally the heads of the conference universities,,,you want a change in focus, point your ire towards the people running the universities ie the presidents and provosts etc
skycake is correct he was 79 and didnt turn 80 until december of that year
24 was our kicker Drew Basil and the guy trucking him appears to be a LB, actually if you watch that play closely it appears the snapper blocks the wrong direction,,,he steps left when the play is obviously designed to go right, hence why the db has any shot at KG at all, ie missed assignment led to completely blown block and then a 1 on 1 fight to the goal line
well a couple things i take away, the experiment of using Elfien at Center came to nothing but last we heard Lindsay was dinged up and behind Boren, now they are an Or a bit of a surprise there.
Heuerman not having an OR must mean he is essentially 100% ready to go which is good news
Cam Johnston was NOT a rugby player he was Aussie Rules football he just Rugby kicks at times, i am sure he is fit as Aussie Rules requires a ton of running but not likely we will see him plow threw the line like Richie McCaw or Kieran Reid of the All Blacks, as Aussie rules is closer to full time punting while running and not the physical ground game rugby is
lastly like seeing a guy like Craig Fada get some love, an invited walk on in the DC is a great reward for a kid who has busted his tail
as the old boxing ref Mills Lane would say "lets get it on"
Not a rugby player but Aussie Rules football not nearly the same level of physicality as rugby, more like constant punting to a team mate
that 09 game is a great example of team not focused for 60 minutes
we take the opening KO and proceed right down the field and score to go up 7-0, Navy then goes right down the field and scores too, 7-7
we then right back down for 1st down on the Navy 11, Saine runs for 1 yard, TP throws an INC and then a false start (guess who?), then on 3rd and 13 TP completes an 8 yard pass to Saine for 8 kick the FG up 10-7,
OSU D then forces a 3 and out but on the PR we get called for a block in the back and instead of having the ball at our 20 we have at the 10
we go 3 and out and kick a short punt putting Navy at midfeld,,,they fumble we take it in for TD 17-7,
Navy get 1 FD then punts,,,the game is far from in hand but Tressel puts in Joe Bauserman, we do drive down to the Navy 14, but on 2nd and 10 we call a QB draw for Joe B and on 3rd down he throws the ball away!!! kick a FG up 20-7 half time
Navy goes 3 and out to start the 2nd half and is pinned deep in their own end, they punt we get the ball at the Navy 42
an run for 4 and its 2nd and 6, a false start and a dead bowl foul followed by a hold and though make it 2nd and 26 at our 42, a QB draw goes for 4 and then an INC pass kills good field position and we punt again downed at the Navy 1.
The D which much now think we have these guys figured out allows a 99 yard drive allowing them to convert a 3rd and 14 on a TD pass for 16 yards to end the drive 20-14 its a game again.
the offense wakes up a bit drives enough for 52 yd FG to make it 23-14.
The D wakes back up and gets a fumble, we drive it in for a TD to make it 29-14 but we botch the XP
we then get a INT, and get the ball at midfield, we are up by 15 have the ball at midfield drive for any score and the game is over
so we get down to the Navy 15 and on 4th and 2, Tressel breaks type and instead of kicking the chip shot FG goes for it we fail and instead of going up by 18, ie 3 scores and putting the game away, we are still only up 15 (2 scores) and now Navy is pumped
sure enough the D goes back to sleep and allows an 85 yard TD pass so now its 29-21.
now it is time for TP to go to sleep and throws a INT giving Navy the ball back in our end again, they drive for the score and finally Rolle saves it
OSU was a comedy of errors that day from the coaching decisions (Bauserman and 4th down), Special teams with a botched XP, to the QB not being careful with the ball late in the game with an INT, to the D giving up a long TD when you should be in prevent, to stupid penalties killing drives
even a reasonably clean game by OSU and we win in a walk over. we played inconsistent and sluggish all day and Tressel compounded it by playing Bauserman early to kill momentum and instead of making a wise coaching decision late to take a FG and go up by 3 scores he instead wanted to "make a statement" and failed as we often did with a Bollman line, this keeping Navy within striking distance.
Mick Tingelhoff was a Center for the Vikings who was still getting all pro recognition as late as 1970 and continued to start in the NFL until 1978 and is a HOF candidate for 2015 played at only 6'2" and 237, ie smaller than Carlos Hyde
Navy has been stopped many times even with their system, it simply requires disciplined assignment football I mean WKU last year held them to 86 yards on the ground.
Navy is committed to the run like no one else. even in that loss to WKU they ran the ball over 30 times in a 19-7 loss. they had more rushing attempts than any other team in the country at 775 in 13 games or nearly 60 per game.
So if they dont run it atleast 40 times against us i will be surprised and they rarely get shutout due to those discipline issues, as witnessed by the fact that they have been shutout once in the last 7+ years
where they are vulnerable, and why i think we have success is their defense often has trouble stopping teams, especially teams with good outside talent and/or spread teams, they simply struggle to stop them
when Braxton was still in the picture I assumed that barring a catastrophe we would score over 40 and even if we gave up some points we would win easily maybe even 42-21 as an example...with Braxton out it is a bit more unknown, but if we can keep pressure off JT and he actually can distribute the ball like some claim, then we may be ok and still score 35+
that 2009 game is exactly what Vannett is talking about, ie even if you get up on them you have to continue full throttle
the O, D, Sp teams and even Tressel almost let that game get away in the last 12 minutes
the game had been close but we were controlling play, then a long FG, a fumble recovery and a TD put us up by what should have been 16 points with 12 minutes to go, but then the mistakes started
first we botched the XP - 1 point lost so only 15 instead of 16 points
Navy helps us by throwing a INT to give us the ball at midfield, drive for any kind of score and the game should be over, even a FG puts you up 18, ie 3 scores, with less than 9 minutes to play
well we drive to the Navy 15 and it is 4th and 2, this is a 33 yard FG that we should make 99% of the time,,,but,,, Tressel for once goes against type and rather than kick the sure 3 pts and effectively end the game,,wants to make a statement and we fail to convert on 4th and 2, bad coaching decision at that point, take the sure 3 and end the game, - 3 pts lost instead of a 19 point lead, or at least 18 points, it is still 15 points
now it is the defenses turn to go to sleep.
Navy is 85 yards away with 6:27 left to play,,so what happens, we go to sleep in the DB and give up an 85 yard TD pass, with the XP it is now an 8 point game with still over 6 minutes to play, so now instead of up 19 or 18, we are up 8, even with this 1 mistake, take away the other 2 and it is still a 12 point game ie still 2 scores.
so we get the ball back, so with 2nd and 9 from our own 40 with 4 minutes to go, Tress decides to throw the ball, and TP has a complete brain melt down and throws a terrible pick giving Navy the ball at our 33 yards line. Navy takes 3 plays and scores
then Rolle saves the day.
Navy insides, we recover and then run out the last 2 plus minutes
play a mistake free last 12 minutes and we win that game 33-14
hoping Grant puts it together at least as well as Sabino did a few years ago.
comparing him the Rod Smith though i think is a bit too harsh to Grant
Grant has been at least a part time starter at times (approx 20 starts the last 2 years) and even though he hasn't been overly productive he has been on the field a ton
Smith has been on offensive after thought, often buried 3 or 4 deep on the chart and even though he has played in the same number of games as Grant (31), he has never been a starter and has only once been the #2 guy when we had guys hurt and depleted early in 2012 i believe. otherwise he has been a mop up duty kind of player with no major role in games
I hope both have satisfying final years and both break out big time..
sorry i am just not buying the MD hype
they won 7 games last year, the teams they beat went 1-11, 3-9, 4-8, 2-10, 3-9, 8-5 and a 8-4 1AA team, ignoring Old Dominion (who gave up 80 points to UNC btw), the other teams they beat were a combined 21-52
the teams they lost to, (FSU, Wake, Clemson Syr, BC and Marshall) were a combined 53-26
i know they had injuries that hurt their cause, but perhaps they their wins and losses can be better explained by the caliber of opponent and not injuries
the only team over .500 they beat was Va Tech who had 5 losses and who they beat in OT by 3 after blowing a 14 point 3rd qtr lead
sorry until they beat someone with a pulse, not buying getting on that Terrapin band wagon,,,and no beating USF, WVU and Syracuse before they play us doesnt count
my big concern even before Braxton's health became a concern was how much "untested" or "unproven" talent we were going to be relying on, now add in his loss and it's just another notch
OLine - essentially 70% of the O-line is unproven and largely untested in real heat of battle conditions
the QB has never taken a snap in a real game and the back up is untested
RB's have some experience, but other than running wild in back up roles against terrible teams last year, none has been even close to being the #2 man and the presumptive starter EZE has missed nearly 2 weeks of camp due to an injury
WR - Smith was solid to good but not great, Spencer has been decent but still unproven to my mind, Wilson showed flashes but was hit and miss and every one else is untested
TE -we seem solid except the returning starter is coming off a foot injury as is not yet 100%
Kicker is a battle between an 2 untested players ie a walk on and true freshman
DL is very strong but our best pure pass rusher is out suspended for 2 weeks and the guy thought to be his back up left the team and under a new coach and scheme
LB, one solid player returning 1 mediocre player returning and everyone else is untested and unproven in real games and new scheme
DB, 3 new starters 4 if you count Nickel back, all of them largely unproven with maybe Bell the exception.
Punter very good
that is a lot of unknowns, spring games mean little, did the pass D look good that day because it was so improved or because Barrett and Jones suck? or dont forget most of the starting DL didnt even play in that game and both units looked mediocre to poor all day both running and passing...was that great D or bad O or some combination???
so many question marks...my thought was that Miller would come back, play even better than before, we would improve on D and be in contention for a Conference and National title again, as i thought Miller's abilities would help us overcome any early deficiencies.
now he is gone and i dont feel so confident that Barrett will be able to overcome those potential "unknown" "unforeseen" deficiencies.
I hope for the best, but unless Barrett is the 2nd coming on Jamies, i think a couple losses are likely
sure hoping i am wrong
Krenzel started both the UM and bowl but was pulled early for Bellisari. and although he didnt start the Illinois game he played more than half of it in relief of McMullen
besides by the start of 2002 he was a RS junior who had played in 10 games and thrown over 50 career passes with 2 starts, hardly comparable to Barrett
Troy i agree
I have no problem with wanting to stay positive but the comments about Jameis and Johnny etc put way too high an expectation on this kid
dont forget yes we are OSU and we have a ton of talent, but
we also will have at least 7 new starters on offense (4 OL, QB, RB, WR) and maybe TE if Heuermann is not ready to go yet.
I think to "expect" much more than what Pryor did in 08 is to set yourself up for disappointment
Pryor that year ran for 600 yards and 6 TDs and passed for 1300 yards and 12 TDs with 4 INT's in the equivalent of about 11 full games (10 as starter and 3 off the bench), extended to 14 games, (should we make the B10 champ game and a bowl), then that would be 750 yards rushing and maybe 8 TDs and 1600-1700 yards passing and maybe 15 TDs and 5 INTs
That year TP had a veteran team around him with Beanie (although dinged up for part of the year) still running for nearly 1200 yards and 8 scores and Herron for nearly 500 yards and 6 more scores.
that's 2400-2500 yards of Total offense for Barrett and 23 TDs responsible for. compare that to Braxton last year who had almost 3200 total yards and 36 TDs responsible for and he didnt play in nearly 3 full games against cupcakes...
thats a realistic expectation for this kid is to duplicate Pryor, and then we have at least 700 yards of total offense and 13 tds to make up with everyone else to match last years performance in essentially 11 games,,,if you add in Guiton's numbers it gets even worse.
do i think we can still win every game? Yes, is it likely we see Barrett rack up Guiton against Cal and FAMU type numbers against Navy, Va Tech and UC? absolutely not.
due to that are those games now riskier than they were before? you bet.
could and OSU team that runs the table and wins every week by 7-10 points get bypassed for the playoff, absolutely they could....
to my mind we need to stop with the Jameis comparisons or even the Guiton comparisons until this kid at least takes 1 snap in a real game
his last surgery had a 5+ month window before he was cleared to throw. assuming he has it done this week and that is any indicator of timeline, it is February before he can throw again,,,
this may also play into Braxton's decision to come back, ie if it takes until early February before doctors say he is good to start throwing again and the combine is in 2-3 weeks after that, he may not feel that is enough of a window to get ready
I think if he wants to use Cardale like he used Tebow in 06 thats fine with me, Tebow threw less than 3 passes per game back then but ran the ball over 6 times a game mostly in short yardage.
given that they lost Miller and dont want to burn Colliers RS, then using Cardale and his significantly bigger body for those kinds of power runs in the Red Zone on in short yardage could be very useful
Tebow only got about 10-15 snaps a game back then, if we limit Cardale to that and otherwise take that physical toll off JT it could work wonders. Plus Cardale has shown ability to run and the guy is listed as 6'5" and 250,,,imagine him at the 2 yard line in the shot gun with EZE and or Wilson on the backfield....