The one year was because the bucks were ineligible otherwise it would have been us. Remember for the first three years they were in our division
The trend I find interesting is that since its inception, the BIG title game has featured either Bucky or Sparty or both every season.
I would pull for Bama in a heartbeat and be singing Roll Tide all the way. Michigan had their chance. Besides, I want a crack at Bama and to be able to knock them off. I hate the Tide but it would be much better to be the one's to knock them off instead of Michigan.
Irishkid84 - you have way too much time on your hands.
I want one of those shirts
I want to cut him some slack here. I remember in 98 rushing the field after the game and there was a fan in front of me who was smarting off to a scUM player as he was trying to walk off the field. That player delivered an elbow to the face knocking him down. I cant say the fan did not deserve it. To Peppers defense, he was coming off an intense game, and had not had a chance to even process the disappointment when he was confronted by a bunch of fans. Also, he is living under the microscope as a 20 year old. Lets cut him a bit of a break here.
I am not saying I believe PSU will jump OSU, only that I would not be surprised to see it happen.
You see, we do not know how the committee's protocol will play out. Yes, we have the written protocol, but there is soooo much gray area in there on how you interpret it that until they set the precedent. They have not had to deal with yet so we do not know for certain how their exact thought process.
The best example was 2014 when they demonstrated that SOS meant something and head to head meant something. It also said that the 13th datapoint of a conference champion was something that separated Ohio State from TCU/Baylor (whom for most of the season looked better on paper). It was after that year that conferences implemented a mandatory P5 opponent on their schedule, Big 12 went to a championship with 10 teams, etc. The precedent was set.
So before you can be so sure of how 12 people will think in the room on some vaguely worded criteria, wait until the committee establishes a precedent first.
I never said Ohio State was not the better team. If they play 10 times, OSU wins 9 and the one loss is because of a fluke play. That is what happened this year.
That being said, I feel PSU gets in because they will have a 13th data point over a top 6 team in Wisky. OSU does not have that data point. While we are 5 spots ahead of them now. They will close the gap considerably if they win and this is where it gets interesting. Now the SOS evens out quite a bit. So the big question then becomes whether a conference championship is worth an extra point in the evaluation. If you get extra credit for a conference championship, it would put them over the top (which is what the committee still has not clarified) It is different than say Va Tech winning the ACC because even with the extra credit of a conference championship, it is still not enough to put them over Ohio State.
That is why I feel PSU may jump us. It is not putting OSU down, it is just trying to interpret what the committee may think and reason. I hope it does not happen. Heck I hope Clemson and Washington Lose and we have 2 BIG teams in the playoff.
Penn state gets in ahead of us because they won head to head. Conference championships are not the be all end all but carry considerable weight. If they win, they get a win over a top 6 team and that helps their sos immensely. It is much stronger statement than say Clemson beating va tech who does nothing for their sos.
That alone would tilt things in pen st favor. Plus I think the committee will say ohio state had its shot at pen state and lost. It would be a stronger argument for Ohio State if penn state was in the west and there was no head to head yet.
Bottom line is we need wi to win or hope for chaos in the other games, especially with va tech
Was not old enough to remember 77 but it also reminded me a lot of 86 and 96.
86 because we dominated the first half and even 4th quarters but lost it in the third.
96 because we should have won but for the slip heard round the world. That would have been a national championship year too
I think Clemson will lose one of the last 2 games so it will work itself out.
That being said, we belong in the playoff with our resume. We should be in over WI if they win based on head to head. I argue we get in over PSU because of the way we lost on the road. It would have been different if the game was back and forth and there was a question on who the better team is, but in this case, even that evening, it took a block punt and field goal for them to win although OSU controlled much of the game on both sides of the ball. Playing in a hostile environment at night and losing on a fluke play should carry some additional weight. Much different than losing to Sparty last year where Sparty outplayed us. If we lost to scUM today as our only lost, we would not be as deserving either. However, we beat PSU 9 times out of 10. They will get run over in the playoff too. Bottom line is the playoff needs the Buckeyes
I only saw an 89% chance if PSU wins out.
The bowl games do not matter. Yes, we were the better team than Sparty. We would beat them 8 of 10 times, however, we were not the most deserving team last year and there is a big difference between last year and this year.
First - Sparty and us had only 1 loss. Big difference in comparing a resume. Second, Sparty got an extra game and data point which they won. Again, advantage Sparty. 3rd, outside of the TTUN and Va Tech games, we did not do much to impress the voters in the eye test column. Therefore, looking at things objectively, making the decision, Sparty deserved the nod, much to Bama's benefit.
This year is a completely different story. Outside of Bama, you will have an ACC champ with possibly 2 + losses. A BIG champ with possibly 2 losses, a PAC champ with 2 losses, and Big 12 champ with 2 losses. Also, chances are OSU would have beaten the champs of Big 12 and BIG in head to head. It would only have one loss. It passes the eye test. It does not need that 13th datapoint as separation this time. No, they did not win their conferences but the data stacks up in their favor where they would have to be in. The question is whether they are punished with the 4 seed because they did not win the conference or if they are seeded higher.
Conference championships are preferred but in the absence of a conference championship, If a team is so much better than other champions then you promote them. The goal has always been the 4 best teams not most deserving. In the opinion of the committee, all things being equal, a one loss conference champ will be bumped ahead of a non champ.
This year things play out that way. There are essentially 10 teams left with an outside shot. If we beat ttun we have head to head wins over 3 of them and they would have 2 losses. In this case it is clear evidence that osu is a stronger team. This is what the committee means
I think most people had concerns ahead of time about Johhny Futbol. He had a history, was known for his partying ways, plus he was small for the position. Yes, he could have been a game changer but the odds were against him.
It is not the same analysis with say a Payton Manning or even an Andrew Luck. They did not have the character issues or size issues.
What reasonable person would have guessed that Johnny Futbol would be a flop. I mean he was going to be the next great qb and I think every GM knew that whatever team landed him would win 10 super bowls during his first 5 years in the league. I mean he was a cant miss prospect. I mean, who knew the guy had a drinking and partying problem. No one would have foreseen that he would have prioritized strippers in Vegas over QB for the Browns. Certain things can be predicted in life, but sometimes there are just those fluke things that come out of nowhere where which you just scratch your head and say Who woulda thunk it.
I think Louisivlle is out regardless. If they don't win their division, their schedule is too weak compared to OSU to get in.
OSU would have top 10 wins against OU, ttun, WI and another top 15 team in Nebraska.
Louisville will have a likely top 15-20 win in FSU. That is all. Also ACC is much weaker than BIG this year and ACC Atlantic has proven to be weaker than normal too with Clemson and FSU underwhelming. It is not much of an argument.
I Hell yes. Because the fate of the world depends on it
I would be pissed if I were Louisville. It makes their loss look worse now, and even though hey will be ranked ahead of Clemson and maybe finish with identical records, they still will need help getting in the playoff because Clemson will still win the division based on head to head. If Clemson loses acc championship acc is left out, especially because a one loss ttun will be better than a one loss louisvile
You are forgetting one thing about Bama's stats. You have to remember that they play in the SEC and have to take that into account.
Remember, they have to run the gauntlet of teams like Missouri, and Miss State and may have to face Kentucky in their championship game. All bets are off when you have to match up against Kentucky.
So remember, any comparison of stats for Bama vs OSU which makes OSU better needs to have the mandatory asterisk that Bama plays in the SEC
While scUM dominated the game against Sparty, they let them back into it to make it close by the end of the game and only won by a TD. While the score was closer than the game probably was, I would have expected a bigger margin this year considering how bad Sparty is.
Over Ohio state? Of course not
however, I give ttun the nod if it came down between them and Louisville for the last spot because they look better and have better wins than Louisville.
both schools only loss is to a playoff team and both would boast top 15 wins with psu and fsu. Ttun would have also beat a top 10 Wisconsin and ranked Colorado so they should easily have the edge
I was reading a story from an acc writer about how Louisville was disrespected by the committee so to show their mettle, they needed to beat a bad Boston college team by 45. A team so bad that they have not won a conference game in the weak acc in two years. Because after a 45 point beat down, you will see the cardinals are who are one dimensional and without Lamar Jackson would probably have 4 losses against a pathetic schedule, are really better than Ohio state.
Well - ohio state dropped a 60 point beat down on the no 10 team in the country. Sorry Louisville
Because I know if we take care of our business things work out, if we don't I don't need to back door my way in. I can support the Bucks whether they are in the citrus bowl or nat championship. I will never support scUM.