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Comment 7 hours ago

I would have been ok with the surrogates  - i think they only played (without the real Floyd) for the opening number (in the flesh).  Rest of night was just supporting the rest of the band -- I am sure you remember Snowy White from the Animals tour!  Former Thin Lizzy guitarist.  I saw Roger Waters' '99 In the Flesh tour at MSG and he had a great band, including Snowy White again.  They did a killer version of Dogs- highlight of the show for sure. 

Comment 11 hours ago

This site has a lot of interesting details on the shows. I always found the "surrogate band" concept interesting.

"When the band started playing In the Flesh ? it wasn't actually Pink Floyd on stage but the session musicians; the surrogate band to which the text refers. Andy Bown (bass), Snowy White (guitar), Willie Wilson (drums)and Peter Wood (keyboard) completed the impersonation with masks of their equivalent Floyds' faces. After the instrumental opening the Floyd walked on stage. 
This illustrated how anonymous the members of the band actually were and also to make clear that in big shows it doesn't really matter who's on stage since nobody sees or even cares. The whole audience thought that it was actually Pink Floyd who was playing up there. Waters: 'They were meant to be what we became, i.e. at that juncture Pink was like a gestalt figure, the whole band turned into this kind of Nazi apparition from the end of the thing. That was really a kind of theatrical shock tactic, because people would assume that it was us ... and suddenly realize that it wasn't.' 
During most of the rest of the show the four 'imposters' would serve to fill out Floyd's own sound, with Bown's bass freeing Waters to concentrate on his vocals and act out the part of Pink."

http://www.dprp.net/proghistory/index.php?i=1979_013

And here is decent footage of run like hell:

Comment 11 hours ago

Another great write up!  I lived in Ohio at the  time and, though i visited family in NY and caught a lot of shows there in the late 70s, I couldn't make it back there for this one. I remember Qfm96 had a contest where you had to write an expression on a wall at Buzzards Nest Records and the winner got two tickets to one of the Wall shows at Nassau Coliseum (i did not win!). 

I did see the Roger Waters Wall tour a few years ago, which was incredible. He had all of the inflatables/puppets, graphics from the original, and 30 years of advances in technology made it even better.  I saw it a couple of times. But there was always something missing from those Waters shows (and every other Waters tour i saw, all of which i enjoyed) - Gilmour.  And while i enjoyed the couple of Floyd shows i saw without Waters, he was missed.  None of those tours compared to the Pink Floyd '77 tour, where they had the full band.    I would have loved to see the Wall tour -- i enjoy listening to "is there anybody out there?"  

Here are a couple of songs from the Waters tour, including the only appearance by David Gilmour in London (Roger had performed at a benefit involving GImour and this was Gilmour paying Roger back!)

Comment 06 Feb 2016

We are fortunate that the really bad seasons are few and far between.

 Most of these have been covered:

Earle's last season 1987 -- bad bad loss to Indiana ("darkest day"), 3 straight losses towards the end of the season before, in classic Earle fashion, he beat michigan. My how things have changed, however, for non-conference games .  That year? LSU, Oregon and West VA (though Oregon wasn't quite the same back then)

Coop's first year-- 1988.  Just awful, though he pulled out a come back win against LSU and had a nice win against Syracuse (ironically, those teams, LSU and Syracuse, played each other in a bowl that year).  In any event. an even-worse loss to IU and a complete ass kicking at the hands of Pitt were lowlights. Another bizarre fact-- the Michigan game involved OSU mounting a furious comeback on the second half after going down big and it was one of the better games the Bucks played that year.  This would be the last time for a number of years where a Coop team played well against that team.

Not sure anyone has mentioned this one-- 1971.  6-4, ended with thee straight losses including Northwestern and Michigan, where Woody famously tore up sideline markers.   It was a transition year between the Rex Kern, Tatum team and the Archie, Corny Greene years. Nevertheless, not a good season. 

2011 - everyone remembers that one, but i look back on it with some fondness because it ended with Urban!

1999 - 6-6. 3 straight losses to end the season. Complete ass kicking by Wisky; dominated by Illinois and MSU

2000 - Coop's last year.  Ends in disgrace in the Outback bowl (another silver lining year-- we get Tress!  Ive never rooted against the Bucks but there was a moment in the Outback bowl where it dawned on me that Coop might be fired and i didn't mind)

1990 - Coop gives up in the rain against USC, Illinois ass kicking again and ends with a lethargic loss to Air Force in a meaningless Liberty bowl game.  That bowl loss was enough for me to add 1900's 4 loss 1 tie season to this list! (by the way, the tie was to Indiana and i think we felt pretty good about it!)

Frankly, the most disappointing season to me might have been 2005.  Its not a bad season by any stretch but I thought that team was better than the 2006 team. If Troy doesn't get suspended, I think the Bucks run the table.  As it was, they should have beaten Texas and PSU.  With Troy starting the whole season (and the prior bowl), the Bucks would have been sick. Better D than 2006. 

Comment 06 Feb 2016

Yep - anyone who lived through old 9-3 Earle knows he was mediocre.  Too bad we didn't get Holtz when to replace Woody.

Comment 06 Feb 2016

Those two years were bleak (though Coop's first year included a perplexing come back victory against LSU!)

Getting stomped by Indiana two years in a row was surreal.

Comment 06 Feb 2016

Great write up! I was pretty adventurous  when i was a kid with respect to checking out new bands, different types of music, etc.  So i was able to experience a few bands, like the Talking Heads, by taking a chance.  But i will forever regret not checking out Bob Marley when he played at Vets in 1980!

Comment 05 Feb 2016

Very nice write up! The business background is interesting. Love me some GNR.  I was fortunate to see them a couple of times in '88 and '92 (before Axel went completely crazy). Had tickets to see Velvet Revolver at a club but got sick and couldnt make it.   If GNR takes the re-formed lineup to the east coast, i will definitely go see them.

Comment 04 Feb 2016

I like the lower better , but it probably gets the edge for me because of the history. The Lower had 4 US Opens, a PGA and two Women's US Opens.  The Upper had the 1936 US open and is no slouch. There are some who actually like it better (it is an awesome course).  Its just amazing to go out to the lower course and see the plaque on the 18th fairway where Jack Nicklaus hit a 1 iron from around 240 yards on to the green, hit the putt to close out the victory over Arnold Palmer.  The locker room has a bunch of cool stuff, including the scorecard, signed by Arnie and Jack from that US Open.  I'm pretty fortunate to have played a few famous courses around here - Baltusrol, Winged Foot, Bethpage Black. Lots of history.  Of course, Ohio has a lot of golf history and great courses as well, but i hadnt taken up the game yet when i lived there!

From the best 1 iron shots in US Open history:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/06/12/us-open-five-best-1-iron-shots-in-us-open-history.html

"4. JACK NICKLAUS AT BALTUSROL

Jack Nicklaus was leading Arnold Palmer going to the par-5 18th at Baltusrol in the 1967 U.S. Open, but more was at stake than beating Palmer again in the U.S. Open. Nicklaus needed a birdie on the last hole to match Ben Hogan's U.S. Open scoring record of 275.

It didn't start out very well.

Nicklaus pulled his tee shot into thick rough and had to pitch back out to the fairway. That left him 238 yards away from a thin lie in the fairway, up the hill to the green. He chose a 1-iron, and the shot was so true that Nicklaus took a couple of steps toward the hole when he hit it.

The crowd told him the rest. The ball settled just over 20 feet from the hole, and Nicklaus made the putt for a closing 65 and a four-shot win over Palmer."

Sorry about the music in this video - you may want to turn down the volume! 

Comment 04 Feb 2016

That is sad.  While i grew up in Columbus, i went to a lot of concerts in Cleveland in the 70s/80s and always enjoyed listing to MMS. It was so much better than Qfm96.  I remember that Columbus had a great AOR station at 92.3, but it changed format in the late 70s, around the time Qfm96 came around.  I am totally blanking on the name of that station (i remember it changed to 92x)

Comment 04 Feb 2016

Crazy thing about Barkley is that i heard that he used to be pretty good - shot in the 80s. Then, something got in his head and he is done. That is golf. 

I saw Jordan on the course once in Miami.  Played 36, each guy drove his own cart, and was playing with 4 other guys, including LT.  Caddies said he bet on everything and did the same thing nearly every day (36 holes, 5 or 6 guys, played fast and bet often)

Comment 04 Feb 2016

On February 4, 1984, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble kicked off their 114-date Couldn’t Stand the Weather tour at the Municipal Auditorium in Nashville, TN.

One of the very best shows I ever saw was SRV and Double Trouble at Vets on the Soul to Soul tour, which took place the next year.  I was in the front row with my jaw on the floor.  He was so good. He played until they kicked him out!  Saw him a few other times, but this was the best for sure. I believe this was the tour where he recorded his first live album, which i wore out in the 80s.

Comment 04 Feb 2016

Along with music and the Buckeyes, golf is a passion of mine. So obviously i love to hear about rock stars who can play (thought many celebrities have absurd handicaps that don't reflect reality -- Alice looks like he is legit). I played Baltusrol a bunch and the caddies told me that many of the rockers who play NY had been out there, including Roger Daltrey and Dickie Betts.  I know Alex Lifeson is serious as well (he has been on the golf channel).

http://www.cleveland.com/golf/index.ssf/2013/06/golf_qa_with_rocker_alice_cooper_im_usually_right_down_the_middle.html

Comment 04 Feb 2016

Killed it today Whoa Nellie! 

Love Alice Cooper.  I saw him in the late 70s on his last tour with the theatrics for a few years.  It started with a video of him in a graveyard (i think) and he picks up a bomb and throws it through the screen, where it exploded on stage!  It was the From the Inside tour (that album was about his experiences in a sanitarium drying out). I then saw him in the mid-80s at Vets on another big theatrical tour.  he had the guillotine during I love the dead and a few other classic Alice stunts.  His band included kip Winger on bass! While he is known for his theatrics, the music really holds up.  I still listen to it. A real classic!

Comment 03 Feb 2016

The Buckeyes lost three games each season seven years in a row. That run resides on an unsafe plane between not bad and not good enough

Yep, IMO Earle was very mediocre.  He won big his first year with Woody's team (and Art, having gone threw the pain of his freshman season, was ready).  Thereafter, it was at least three losses every single year.  When he had the talent, he squandered it (see the 1984 team - C. Carter, Byars in his prime, tomzcack, Lachey (the whole OL was great), Spielman, Kumerow, Pepper johnson).  Then he left the cupboard bare for Cooper.