Good win today! Team still needs a change
This is my assumption, too. With the way Jones tore it up in Army AA practices, I really want him in the class.
Evan Spencer was a fantastic blocker, but never much of a great pass-catcher. Also, don't forget Devin Smith had to basically be taught how to run routes by the Jets and got by mostly on athleticism and an other-worldly natural ability to adjust to the ball in the air. Jalin looks like he will be a good role-player, maybe a #2-3 receiver at best. Thomas was never fully utilized at OSU, his rookie year in the NFL shows that.
He did trim down. He used to be ~ 240, but dropped to 220ish. He was just never a fast guy to begin with and then the injury certainly exacerbated things.
Agree here. Also the fact the OSU has rarely had an above average passer playing QB.
How does this affect Ty Jones' recruitment?
Sorry, I am in a snarkier mood than the norm this morning. No disrespect intended on you either, Rosycheeks!
Didn't show any disrespect to Andrew, I think we just have different definitions of "scoop". A scoop is when you're the first to break news. If it's on Twitter, you didn't break anything, you took public information and posted it on your site. 11W was the first to break Urban coming to OSU; that was a scoop. But when the subject of the story (Tyjon) publicly announces the news, posting it on your site doesn't mean you're the one to break it.
After all, wasn't it up as a forum topic before 11W's story? Going by your definition of "scoop", whoever started that forum discussion scooped Andrew.
If so, good Lord man, that's a huge decision to make over a girl. And yes I know he's just a teenager and they're illogical. But I wouldn't have made my college choice over a girl when I was 18.
Tyjon was not going to be a "scat back" or an H. He was a true slot receiver.
Scooped? You mean read twitter?
Can he run routes and can he catch. If he can do both of those, his athleticism will do the rest.
Never said he was a problem. Just that he's not as good as his press says he is.
That's because the interior of the line (i.e. Price and Elflein) have been overrated since '14. Not saying either is bad, but they aren't at the level that their press would have you believe. Watch where Elflein goes in the draft for confirmation.
Great news for OSU as his leadership and experience will pay dividends. I'm a little surprised as I don't know how much higher his stock can go. He's a very good all-around DL, but doesn't wow you in any one area. I think 3rd-4th round is his ceiling. Doesn't have the explosiveness or size or strength that sets apart first round D-Linemen.
On his review a few years ago, he had that becoming a MAC head coach was a goal.
As far as Ohio State is concerned, how much of the top 10 would love to have JT?
Everyone likes to talk about what happened in '14. It's 2017. A lot has changed and JT looks very different now. Trust me, I would love nothing more than for JT to come out next year and lay waste to defenses. But the bulk of his career has shown that he is merely above average, not a great overall QB. And the physical abilities that he's been given cannot be changed. His arm, speed, and size are what they are. His mechanics and accuracy can likely be altered some, but if it was so easy to alter a QB's footwork and mechanics, there would be more elite QBs. It just doesn't happen much.
JT Barrett is more like a 4WD Nissan Pathfinder. Can carry a bigger load than the average car, has some power but nothing astounding, won't win a lot of races, and has enough performance to do the average job. But doesn't stack up when compared to true performance vehicles.
You should if you want to perpetually get highly rated QB recruits. After all, we love talking about how well Zeke and Thomas are doing this year and you know the coaches use their success to pitch recruits.
Outside of the Triple-Option offense, in the last 30 years of college football the number one activity for the QB has been passing. OSU's QBs are extremely average at this. Consoling ourselves by saying, "Yeah, but they were good dual threats, though", is hiding from the issue. Especially when none of those three dual threats could win a championship. Were they good QBs by most conventional statistics? Sure. Were they elite, even among dual threat QBs? No. Would the NFL ever realistically hand them a franchise? No.
Yet here was your post:
I think Ohio State produces some of the elite dual threat QBs college football has seen in the past decade. Terrelle Pryor, Braxton Miller, and JT Barrett all near elite dual threat QBs.
You said in college football.
Being the best QB in the Big Ten is not amazingly impressive. The Big Ten has had mediocre QB play for a long time now. And as far as JT's school records, OSU has been an astonishingly average QB school. Combine JT's large number of games played with some of the NFL talent he's been surrounded by and you're going to get some school records for totals. Look at things like his Average Yards per Attempt and he's below greats like Todd Boeckman. The fact that JT's 177 passing yards per game is a school record is embarrassing. He wouldn't be top 5 on many other schools' lists.
And teams had the same game plan for JT in 2014 and 2015 when he had more NFL talent at RB, WR, and OL. Yes, there has been execution lapses and yes the coaching has definitely been sub-par, but why does JT get a pass from the blame for the offense? When JT misses an open receiver, why is that not on him? When he holds the ball for too long, why is that not on him? When he locks on to one receiver from the snap, why is that not on him? When he sees an open receiver, but doesn't throw because he doesn't necessarily trust the WR or the play, why is that not on him? When his arm is too weak to throw through wind, who gets the blame? When his height makes it hard for him to throw over the line, should we blame his parents and move on? When his wind-up and mechanics lead to ridiculous amounts of batted passes (still, after three years), why is it only the coaches' faults?
Compared to what? Tebow, RG3, Newton, Mariota were the elite dual threats of the last decade. OSU's QB's have never reached the level of that top tier. And all three of those OSU QB's were average passers at best.