That only works if your quaterback is throwing the ball and not just tucking it and running even when there are 3 receivers open.
Yeah I was at the game and the crowd just seemed stunned at the end. A few drunk people seemed pretty pissed screaming and yelling, but overall just stunned.
Here are some raw number's for you:
jt vs good defenses: Penn st, mich st, minny, TTUN
cardale vs good defense: bama, wisky, and Oregon
cardale threw two interceptions in 3 games and one wasn't even his fault. Although I will give you cardale did have a problem with a few fumbles during those games. But it boils down to if you think cardale was average during that run you must think the same of JT during those few games.
All Cardale has to do is put together one drive for a touchdown and they win that game! One drive, and I don't think its to crazy to think he could have done that.
I can't upvote this post enough! You said exactly what I was thinking!
Doesn't matter how they get him in the scarlet in gray as long as they do! Thy kid is lightning in a bottle. Would make one heck of an h-back if you ask me!
I don't understand why people are just now realizing this. Pass protection has been bad all year long. It was bad this week, last week against minny, and the protection didn't start that great against Rutgers but got better as the game went on. The last game I there was good protect was the Maryland game and cardale threw for 300 in that game.
Im not talking about nfl prospects I truly believe that both bosa and zeke are better football players and I really believe vonn bell is one of the most underrated players in the country. And can you imagine this team without Michael Thomas? Him and zeke have been the only consistent players on offense the entire season. And breaking records doesn't make you the best player either, I mean hell Seth Russell of Baylor and 35 total touchdowns through 7 games before he got hurt. I'm not trying to degrade JT either I'm just saying, we might be jumping the gun saying this after completing one and a half games. I mean Rudock did throw for 350 against Rutgers.
Yeah because if I don't think our quaterback is the best player in college then obviously I haven't been watching the games hahaha he looked good in those games there's no doubt but he only passed the ball a total of about 7ish times in those games so I'm not really going to go out and say he's the best player in college with only one true game throwing and running the ball against a bad team. Heck cardale threw for about 300 against Maryland who has a better pass d then Rutgers. Besides JT's not even the best player on the team (and that's not a knock on him) bosa and zeke are the top two and honestly I might through in Michael Thomas and vonn bell also.
We might want to slow up a little bit on that after what Michigan just did to Rutgers. Rudock just threw for 340 against them and the consensus on him is that he is not very good.
Two are 6'2" and the other is 6'5" not really too much of a difference if you ask me
Honest question, has he lost any this year? I can't seem to remember him losing a punt and the other team recovering this year.
Edit: nevermind the article says he hasn't muffed a punt this year!
I don't think rugby style makes you better at tackling, it just makes playing the game safer. The only differences in tackling between football and rugby is the head is suppose to be behind the runner instead of in front and sometimes you are suppose to roll when you have the carrier wrapped up instead of driving you legs. I still think that Chris ash is a big reason for the better tackling but I don't think it's because of rugby tackling but something else he does.
I think most people, when talking about arm strength talk about how quick the ball gets to the receiver 30 yards down field, not the ability to throw it 60 yards. Honestly there are high school quaterbacks that can throw it 60 yards.
Runs violently, with bad intentions, and has great acceleration out of cuts. He will be a stud wherever he ends up!
I agree with all those, but honest question here did they really run that many zone reads with him in there in the redzone? I was at the game and it just seemed like he was running the qb sweeps or giving to zeke up the middle. I think I recall maybe 2 read plays, I could be way off though.
I love how when Meyer starts JT last year he is making the right decision, but when he starts cardale this year he is making the wrong decision. And for people that are going to say that JT broke records in last years offense, yes you are correct but that was last years offense. I think it is pretty clear the offense is not playing to the same level it was last year. Not one unit on offense is playing at the same level they played last year. So expecting the a quaterback to pick up and produce the same way they did last season doesn't make sense.
One thing I did notice.. I think only one penalty in the redzone that set them back. It's hard for cardale to score when the offense as penalties 4 out of every 5 drives in the redzone.
I thought the whole point of the pff was to watch them every play and not look at the numbers. If they do their job every play then they get a +2 if they don't they get a -2. The way I read the grading was that you don't have to be thrown the ball to score high on the pff as long as you're doing your job. I could be wrong but that's just how I read it.
Joel stave is the number 5 quaterback according to that list... Joel.. Stave... I begin to doubt that when he's your number 5 according to the numbers. Also Michael Thomas didn't make the top 10 receivers so there's that too
Nice pick up but there is somewhat of a flaw with that stat. If you look at it you will see that oregan had 510 pass against them versus navy's 352 attempts. That's 158 more total passing attempts against oregan than against navy. Divide that by say 14 games and you add 11 more pass attempts per game for oregan then navy. Navy gives up an average of 7.2 yards per attempt so you can pretty much add 80 yards per game if you're going to even out the attempts. That puts them at 290 pass yards against their defense per game vs oregan's 260 against them per game. Or you can just compare yards per attempt which oregan gives up 6.6 yards per attempt same as wisky and better than TSUN 6.8 yards per attempt and navy gives up 7.2 same as Kent st.
JT vs good defenses
Penn st 12-19
Mich st 16-26
Total 56-91 61.5%
Total 46-75 61.3%
JT's accuracy in the rest of the games minus Vtech and navy was 126-179 for 70.4%. It was pretty clear that JTs accuracy was inflated from those games and that cardale and JT are actually pretty similar in accuracy.
That was last year, this year JT is throwing 21-38 55%. You can make whatever excuses you want with him but he is not the same as last year and against good defenses JT was just as accurate as cardale. And I am by no means saying cardale has been great he has been pretty accurate with too many turnovers. The past few games he has not had a fumble and just one interception in each game. That is still to many but he has been getting better.
People will say he missed Marshall and Thomas in the end zone which he was off on them but they were still both catchable balls. The one pass I hated though was the pass to vanett in the end zone, that was just bad. He had another pass where Samuel tipped it so Thomas could not catch it and another where it looked like cardale threw to a hitch while thomas was running a slant. Other than those passes cardale was very accurate. And every quaterback is going to miss a few passes that can be expected. It's just people want JT to be starting so bad that they jump on cardale as soon as he throws back to back incompletions.
I understand what you are saying! I'm just trying to point out that it makes little sense that they stopped passing because they lacked trust in cardale. Connor cook threw 19 passes in the their game this past week does that mean they don't trust him? Or was it like osu where they are running the ball so effectively that why even pass the ball. Osu had what around 150-200 rushing yards in the second half so why go away from what is working?
Did urban not trust JT in the 2014 Penn st game? Or was it they were just running the ball so effectively that you just continue to do what has been working for you? When you've rushed the ball for 200 yards in just the second half why even bother running the ball?
I here everyone saying JT is a superior leader, but what makes JT so much of a better leader than cardale? Like AV said all the players love him and he did everything right in the offseason (was in the gold). People site how Barrett took control of the penn state game and brought them back but couldn't you say the same about cardale and the bama game? I think both are great leaders and have examples to prove it.
I also think JT is not that much more accurate than cardale. I think the difference between the two is about 4%-5%, but cardale didn't get to pad his stats against Rutgers, Cinci, Kent st, Maryland, and Indiana. That is almost have the schedule with terrible defenses! So when people say he broke all those records I tend to believe that cardale could have put up eerily similar numbers including completion percentage.
I also don't understand how people call JT the distributor and don't seem to think that cardale doesn't get the playmakers the ball. I think against vt the leading receiver had 3 catches, bama the leading receiver had 5, and against wisky the leader had 4. So it's not like he is just looking for one receiver, Devin smith only had 1 catch against Oregon. I think it's safe to say that cardale is also a distributor.