Class rankings is more of a fun debate when it get to the top 1-3 3-6 range of classes because they are all so close usually. Michigan signed 5 more kids than OSU, the 5 lowest ranked kids on their list make up just over .8 points combined! For a good scale to judge, Gary is worth 10 points, Fuler just over 3. To that in perspective with how close it came down to, whoever landed Fuller between Michigan and OSU would have the higher rated class. This is not arguing if OSU or Michigan's class is better, just breaking it down for some who may not follow recruiting as much.
Haha it all started with Joebuckeye mentioning the best thing for Michigan has been a recruiting class and debating that. Then a few others decided to add to the conversation.
@Joebuckeye agree on be skeptical from the past years of the product Michigan has put on the field. Hoke recruited great talent but he wasted it all by not developing them. In my opinion Harbaugh has shown he can win and has proven that at Stanford and in the NFL. So yes you can be skeptical because Michigan has sucked but it's harder to be skeptical when you put a guy in who has won. Yes I'm aware by win I mean a 1 loss Stanford team and a 49ers that lost in the Super Bowl. I also believe it is harder for OSU fans to understand the optimism for Michigan. OSU has been great for a long time where as Michigan has suffered for a long time. What most OSU fans seem to say a 10 win season is irrelevant, it is not in the eyes of Michigan fan especially with over achieving from expectations last year. So sure another 10-11 win season may seem like irrelevant to OSU again next year if it happens but Michigan not at the point yet. So not sure what it will take to satisfy osu fans, some just beating them, some winning the B1G, or some a national championship.
Where did it come off that I was SO EXCITED!? Now if you asked if it could be some value to host spring practice in Florida with surrounding talent to visit and not to mention the school you're hosting it at has 10 players ranked in the top 200. Then yes, I would of said it could prove to be a good recruiting tool. But, SO EXCITED is not the term. I can be unbiased in realistic when it comes to talking sports, you're just throwing random comments out there.
Not a lot has happened for Michigan since the 1 vs 2 game. Been pretty down hill since then besides a bright spot season with Brady's first season. But for Harbaugh to take a 5 win team that was left with a dumpster fire recruiting class when hired and turn it into 10 wins and a top ranked 5 class, it's a bright spot season and class. I understand the grumbles of Harbaugh's tactics. However, Michigan is not in the same position as Alabama and OSU where they're PLENTY established. They had to rely on selling the Michigan brand and Harbaugh and make it seem like a popular/cool place to be. He does some strange things but also has done some very innovative recruitiing tactics to help midwest schools. I have a very hard time believing the majority of OSU fans would not be ecstatic knowing the recruiting opportunity if Urban announced he is going to IMG in Florida for a week of practice.
*Dabo Swinney flys in the door Kramer style*
Unfortunately only 46, but still haha.
They finished 4th in rivals, 6th in scout and 5th in 247. I would say that's an average of a top 5 class.
*If you use ESPN recruiting, you haven't started following recruiting yet. That is not trolling as I see it everyday by fans on here of making fun of espn recruiting.
Okay, but this has nothing to do with not rooting for a team because one of his friends likes a certain team.
Well the Warrior is no longer alive, so there's that I guess.
Personally, that makes no sense to me. A few of my best friends are Michigan fans and a few are Ohio State fans. He was also in the locker room with Harbaugh with the 49ers and he did sign a LOI intent with Michigan to play football in the 60's. Not saying he wasn't paid but also has a few connections of his own.
Just 2 Goats hanging out.
Personally, I would be surprised if you don't see another school try this in the future. It's good exposure and brings attention to your program. ESPN is making posts about it. Can't embed it but it's on ESPN social media.
I hope you're not too busy as it will be an hour before you get through these 5 slides.
I some what agree and disagree. Most schools are already negatively recruiting anyways but it's the schools job to squash that and that helps when you have a mega coach like Harbaugh. Like it or not he is popular and kids seem to like him. I think/hope the Harbaugh staff learned that they need to cut ties sooner if they're going to do it. Even though it sounds like all 3 kids were told in advance of not sure on the room and advice looking around. Urban pulled a commits scholarship last year in December, it happens just better timing having a month than kids reporting they had 2 weeks.
I truly don't see this effecting them though, they are pulling in high recruits right now and this is the highest time of criticism. As people know, time passes and people forget and forgive.
I would definitely say most Michigan fans wanted Ellliott. Although I know some started being suspect of him of how long he would last in a program when the rumors started flying that he may decommit from his 4th school, which he obviously did. Still the majority would of gladly of taken a chance on him if he could of stuck.
This sounds like off the field issue of him being let go from the team. I'm sure neither party is happy with the decisions that Cole has made if the rumors are true. This sounds like 0 related to the 2 commits that had their scholarships pulled.
I actually don't believe that plays into effect here. I believe that was the initial rumor after all of the visitors from over the weekend that Michigan would have no more commits until Signing of the Stars. It hasn't even been 3 days since that rumor and Michigan has had 3 commits already. I'm still 50/50 on this one but don't believe his announcement date has anything to do with leaning any way. Michigan supposedly leads for Hudson and Gary who both have announcement dates that are not with the event as well.
You're joking about the transfers as pointing those out as negative, right? Swenson was reportedly told in the fall he has an uncommitable offer, it's not their fault he didn't go public. I hate to say it but sometimes with the way this class is turning out, some decommits are not a bad thing. They are in line for some top talent still. And as for the climbing in the tree stuff, that was in front of a top 100 player doing it for his sister who just also happen to commit to Michigan tonight. Also all of his "tactics" didn't steer a tackle committed to to Virginia to flip tonight. I can't believe he would put Virginia in such a spot just 2 weeks before NSD, how dare he. The quicker you learn recruiting is a cut throat game the better off you will be in understanding it. As OSU own Birm said, you're naive if you don't think the pulling of scholarships is going on at every major school.
The kid was informed months ago that he should look at other options? Yes, I feel bad for him but at the same time if you didn't commit to that coach and they literally tell you to look at other options, you have to take that into consideration. He did start following other o line coaches on twitter months ago which you would assume meant he was at least in contact with some of them. Still a shitty situation but I don't think we should pretend that this just came out of no where and happened yesterday.
I believe 3. Swenson who had his scholarship pulled and according to the 2 today, this was their choice. As for long lasting effect, hard saying. They did just get a top 100 DB this evening so there's that I guess. As many have said probably won't be a problem in the future as it is in doubt that Michigan will gamble on that many 3 stars again given the success and landing higher rated players.
Note on Swenson, even thought I still don't like seeing a player committed for that long get a scholarship pulled this just wasn't yesterday that he was informed. Being said that he was informed months ago that he should start looking at other options. Pointed out as well that Swenson also started following multiple other college offensive line coaches as well around this time on twitter.
This makes sense with Long more than likely about to commit in 2 hours.
He has already came out and said he was not forced out, this was his decision. Recruiting is an ugly game, but it does work both ways. You can have a kid commit for a year and 2 weeks before signing day can say I'm checking out other schools and opening my recruiting back up. Unfortunately that's how it works.
How you get a down vote is absurd, +1 to you for a non biased comment.
Not sure what team you're referring the year the Buckeyes went to the Fiesta Bowl? End of season OSU was ranked 8th with Michigan ranked 4th going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon was not ranked at all.
So you honestly believe the Rose Bowl would of jumped OSU at #5 and went with Iowa at #7??? I am just having a hard time believing that.
I agree with you that money is 100% important to them. However, I don't believe they picked just based on that reason. The rankings influenced their decision, IMO. Let's pretend OSU and Iowa flip rankings, that would mean them taking Iowa over OSU because they think these teams would give them the biggest pay day. Don't see that happening.