On the surface, I'd agree, especially given how mediocre PSU is. But IU is banged up, and put everything they had into the OSU game. I think this is a letdown game for them, and PSU covers with relative ease.
Yeah, if anything Kent St. 2014 is the throwaway game for these stats. They were a 1-11 tire fire last year and among the worst teams in FBS. Hawaii is no where near that level of bad.
Thank you DJ/11W for the IU tweets from last year. I've been saying it some other threads, for perspective many naysayers need to just go re-watch the IU game from last year. That was game 11 at home against an IU team that was on like a 6 or 7 game losing streak. And you could argue we looked worse for much of that game than we did this last Saturday against a better IU team at their place.
Honestly the better direct comparison is the @Minnesota game last year. IU could be this year's Minn from the B1G. But that game played out much the same. 2 very costly Jalin fumbles, and an INT from JT (I know right, I didn't think JT had any picks last year, or even incompletions!) and all the sudden a game that felt like it should have been a comfortable win turned into a 7 pt victory.
The only difference between all those games last year and the ones this year are we already had a bad loss, and thus no one had these crazy expectations each and every game.
It is the first line since Hawaii that I think we'll actually cover though.
I don't disagree with some of what you said, but the "Jones got the keys to the Car it was already running at full speed" is the single biggest piece of BS narrative that is perpetuated on this site. Even bigger than "ESPN hates us".
I had to pause the game this weekend during the 3rd qtr when they showed the Jalin Marshall punt return TD last year against IU. And then show it to my guests who spent the whole game blaming everything on Cardale. LAST YEAR that high octane machine in JTs 2nd to last game was losing 20-14 with 2 mins in the 3rd qtr. And needed a Marshall punt return to finally take the lead. And this was at home against an inferior IU team than the one we just played on the road.
And frankly, the 2014 TUN game the next week was not much better, given the 5-7 bag of turds we were playing.
Everyone last year remember's how unstoppable we were in the last 3 games of the year. And conveniently forgets how inconsistent and sloppy we were the whole year before that. And somehow that adds up to all being because of JT and Cardale had nothing to do with it.
That said, Cardale is making it pretty tough to keep defending him. Just hope the light goes on for him and whole offense in time this year.
Yeah, at the least you'd think with that size he could fulfill an effective perimeter blocking role, and catch a few passes here and there. But it's never really happened so I guess it can't be expected now.
Must not be watching the Colts play. Hard to find a worse line than them, with apologies to Jack Mewhort.
I can't defend Cardale's last 2 games, but if you think he was just "mediocre" against VT, then there's no helping you.
There's another poster out there somewhere who said something to effect of, I'm neutral on who should be the QB, but find myself having to defend Cardale because the majority on this site are totally over-exaggerating his struggles, while simultaneously over-exaggerating J.T.'s abilities.
That said, I'm surprised they are still going with Cardale after last week. He was a mess.
I still feel the Cardale of last year is the best QB for this team. Unfortunately that Cardale was in a unique situation, and it was him or nobody. This year is different, and he is not handling it well clearly.
But I get it I get it. All of you are around this team 24/7 and know much better than Urban Meyer on who the QB should be.
I don't who else could be #1 right now. MSU maybe. While today's game was awful, there is a real chance that NIU runs the table from here on. They probably have a letdown next week at BC, but after that they could win out.
Bama is done, USC lost, basically everybody has looked vulnerable.
I'm as concerned as the next guy with our performance this week, but I don't think there is a clear cut #1 above us. Could have been Bama but they are getting their ass kicked by Ole Miss.
Bottom line is the offense as a whole is a mess these last 2 games. Playcalling, the O-line, the QBs, the receivers, everybody. As Urbz said, discombobulated, and then some. The loss of Tom Herman can not be understated right now.
I don't think it is all on Cardale, and I was in his corner for the start of the season, but you can't have the turnovers like he has and keep getting the nod. It really does seem like the QB "competition" is bringing out the worst of both of them this year. Last year was such a unique year for both of them that we didn't have to deal with this.
Hate to say it, but this QB situation has already divided the fan base, and I can only hope it is not dividing the lockerroom.
Hah I know you were being a little facetious, but I could see TTUN jumping into the rankings if they win this week and beat BYU the next.
But Tennessee is still like #12 in the ESPN FPI, which is based on pure science and totally unbiased, so I mean, yeah..
Well I was with you until the JT part. That one is definitely not clear as day. The primary premise of your argument is the fans know more than Urban Meyer, and well, no, we don't.
But yes, I see no reason Mike Thomas couldn't be a deep threat. He showed last year he could go up and get the ball down the field. His size and tracking ability far outweigh his speed, which is more than adequate anyway. Jalin and Corey Smith on the other hand have not shown the ability to track and catch the deep deep passes. Haven't really seen any of the new guys, Braxton included, to have a chance with that.
Hoping we air it out this weekend and figure a few things out in the passing game.
I like them too. And they're Adidas, go figure.
Exactly, and in this case, Vegas knows that probably 75% of the potential betting public does not know the difference between N. Illinois and someone like Kent St. (one of the worst teams in the MAC). People see the directional state school and assume Buckeyes should win huge with ease.
I think OSU could easily cover, but if they were trying to accurately predict the true outcome, I'm guessing the line would be closer to 30 pts.
Ugh, my FF opponent had Manning and E. Sanders. Needless to say that game tying TD pass was a real dagger. They were just having a so so day and then boom ~13 pts combined on one play. C'mon Chiefs! Play some D!
The Roby scoop six at least mercifully prevented more damage in OT.
Yeah there is no way OSU can afford lose to MSU and make the playoffs. We'd have no signature wins, and no division or conference title. Zero chance.
Hate to to say it, but if there is one game left on the schedule that we can lose and still make the playoffs, it is @TTUN. Beating MSU would mean still go to the B1G championship and get that important extra game against another decent team. I know I know, let's pretend this possibility was never mentioned.
This is where the Noah Brown loss is hurting the most. He would've been that guy for us.
Yeah, that's where I assumed this was going. Since everyone was so devastated around here with the 38-0 victory.
The FPI, as garbage as it is at times, is a pseudo-mathematical rating, so I don't think you can say it is a pusher of ESPN agenda. Although they do have an element of prejudice/prediction skewing the early season rankings. It takes until halfway in before their rankings get reasonable.
But case in point to the pile of trash that it is, MSU is still #15, with teams like Tennessee and Oregon still ranked ahead of them. That is a joke and cannot be defensed by whoever comes out with this thing.
Stats are useful but can be minupulated
Indeed. You then went on to manipulate a bunch of stats in JT's favor. Or was that your point?
Please provides stats, videos, pictures or any evidence of this. I'm specifically talking about the "into a crowd" part. 1 on 1 with a DB is not a crowd, and almost always advantage to the WR. By definition getting "lucky" means a fluke and something that doesn't happen often. And yet you say this has happened "many, many" times. If something has happened so frequently, then I doubt it is pure luck.
Your post is more nonsense than Cardale's jump balls.
Honestly I wouldn't mind if the committee buys into this BS a little bit. And ranks us #2 or #3 early on, behind whatever SEC team is still undefeated if any. That would motivate the team like no other down the closing stretch.
I do feel the only game we could afford to lose this year was @VT. If we then blasted through the rest of the schedule and won the B1G again, we'd probably still get in. Especially taking into account the suspensions for that game.
From here on out it is simple. Take care of business and we're in, lose a game to anybody and we're probably out, unless there is major help in other conferences.
Yeah, I'd rather have Joe Germaine's opinion on the matter.
35-1 in home openers since 1979, 66-1 in home openers against unranked teams...
Damn you Virginia Tech, you still haunt us even after your death on Monday.