Yes, but I was thinking mean things about OSU while I wrote those posts. Especially those horrible helmets from Saturday. Seriously - who thought those fugly things were a good idea?
Well that makes very little sense, considering that UM was up 27-24 and would have won the game on that very play if Barrett hadn't gotten the first down . OSU outplayed UM in the 4th but only out scored them 10-7 in the 2nd half. Not exactly total domination there.
Never forget that "fan" is just shorthand for fanatic. Every team has tons of fanatics who sound like lunatics. And let's be honest - most people who post anything on the internet come across sounding like lunatics anyway.
Nice catching up with you guys, good luck in the playoff and I hope UM beats OSU next year by the number of posts I made in this thread.
That's just insane and trust me when I say that every UM fan I know has no interest in any of these things happening.
I used to post a lot more regularly but then life got busy and UM fell apart under Hoke. I drop in occasionally now every few months if I see a UM-specific forum topic that I think is worth contributing to.
Can't speak for my fan base on that question, was only speaking for myself.
No idea on the handshake as I turned off the TV the minute OSU scored. I then immediately started punching a box filled with parts for a shelving unit in my basement and bruised half my hand. This despite the fact that I have a wavemaster in my garage and a pair of boxing gloves that would be a little more suitable for such frustrating moments. Also, I sadly had company over when I lost my mind for those 2 minutes after the TD but did not give a shit at that point in time. I'd say they were all fairly horrified by my reaction.
Anyhooo nice chatting with you guys and good luck in the CFP.
That's true but then offensively, UM picked it up a bit in the 2 OT periods, scoring on both possessions including the TD on 4th down. And for all the domination by OSU in the fourth quarter, they out scored UM 3-0. Both teams missed the opportunity to do something big in regulation to put the game out of reach once it got to 17-14. I felt like both teams started fresh again once the OT began.
Sorry to offend you by presenting an opposing viewpoint. I don't feel the need to insult you, your team or any of its players or coaches to have a discussion about one of the greatest games we've ever seen.
Sorry - didn't read the question closely enough. I'd think he didn't get it but I'd be pissed about the whole play and would desperately be hoping for a better spot upon review.
It's a great question and but I do have an answer. I'd look at it the way I do the 1999 Orange Bowl vs Alabama and the 2011 Sugar Bowl vs Va Tech. In the Orange Bowl, UM won when Bama missed an XP to tie the game and send it into 2 OT. In the Sugar Bowl, UM caught every lucky break imaginable including the reversal of a good TD catch in OT that should have won the game for Va Tech. In both instances I was thrilled with the win but clearly acknowledged that UM was lucky with the outcome. In those situations, I celebrated the win but didn't mock the opposition.
Had UM been in OSU's position on Saturday I would have congratulated you guys just like I did today, and would have acknowledged that UM caught a huge break. You wouldn't have seen me making fun of OSU fans for being pissed because I get it. Some games are just too tight to say that Team X sucks and so does their fanbase.
This was one of those games.
No problem. The logical side of me is always happy to generate some good discussion. That said, the fan in me still wants to break everything in my house in frustration.
That's why I made sure to clarify in my first post that I don't believe there's a conspiracy issue.
I was asked what I saw that made me think he didn't get the first down. Where I'm from if someone asks me a question, I give an honest answer and cite my basis for that answer. That's why I posted the link.
I also didn't say anything about not whining/complaining/being pissed. I said that it was hypocritical for OSU fans to act like there was nothing for UM fans to complain about given that if the roles were reversed, OSU fans (and fans of any team really) would be similarly venting. I felt that this was a relevant discussion point in this thread considering the OP's comments.
The original post that started this thread was about Michigan fans complaining, not Harbaugh. I'm not the least bit interested in having an argument with any of you guys about Harbaugh because you all think he's nuts and that's fine by me. OSU fans weren't complimentary about Bo and Carr until long after they retired. I would expect nothing less from you guys when it comes to Harbaugh.
Here's the best shot of it I've seen from the field view. Remember that the 15 yard line is the first down marker because in OT the ball starts exactly at the 25. Interested to know your view when you see this. Looks like the maximum point of JT's forward progress happens at the 6 second mark. Wormley is squarely on the 15 yard line. The ball does not appear to get that far at any point in the clip.
I suggest watching the 30 for 30 on The U, Part 2. The players interviewed about the late flag in the Fiesta Bowl specifically talked about this issue. I'm fairly certain they know more about playing championship football than either of us do.
What's up Ahh? Hope all is well with you and congrats on the win.
I was talking specifically about OSU and not other programs. He's gone out of his way to antagonize the SEC, that's pretty clear. So like I said, he's been pretty respectful towards OSU and the rivalry.
Agree completely. But fair to say that you guys as fans were pretty pissed about it, correct? That's why I'm saying that Michigan fans aren't out of line for being salty about this one. When shit like that happens and directly impacts a game's outcome, it hurts like hell.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Half of your post is about Harbaugh being a jackass and the UM fans not calling him out on it. That's a separate issue that I would never debate on an OSU website to begin with. I wouldn't expect OSU fans to like Harbaugh or any Michigan coach, and frankly, I'd be disappointed if they did.
My point on the moral high ground was around how the game was officiated and its impact on the final score. There is no fan base I'm aware of that would have kept silent had they been in Michigan's shoes yesterday. I've been on this board long enough to stare with confidence that OSU fans would have reacted no differently. If you believe otherwise, I suggest going back and reading some of the threads on this site after the loss to PSU.
I was watching the same thing on TV that most of you guys were, along with a number of still shots from different angles after the game. From what I was shown, I did not see how he got the first down.
In Harbaugh's post game press conference, he called OSU a great team. He's also been extremely complimentary of Urban and the OSU team in all press conferences and interviews since taking the HC job. There was the spat with Gene Smith on Twitter but other than that, he's said nothing disparaging about OSU or Urban.
Those of you who think that tirades on the sideline or ranting at officials means he disrespects the rivalry clearly never saw teams coached by Woody and Bo. The rivalry that we enjoy so much was built on this very behavior. I won't call it the most mature behavior I've ever witnessed, but I won't apologize for it either. And let's not act like Urban is immune to sideline hissy fits or referee beratements. The main difference between him and Harbaugh is that Urban will bite his tongue more about the officials when speaking on the record after a game. Probably a wiser decision, but not a huge deal breaker in my book. Again, I grew up watching Bo so this is all perfectly normal to me. Your mileage may vary.
I don't know about you, but it seemed pretty clear to me that the game was over once he got that first down. UM sold out to stop that play and if you watched the body language on the field, it was obvious they thought they stopped them and won the game. Same thing that happened to Miami in the 02 Fiesta Bowl. Once the realization hit that the game wasn't actually over, it was really hard to re-engage emotionally. To me, the Samuel TD right after was academic. The game was decided on the fourth down play.
I should have clarified that I didn't have a huge issue with the specific penalties called AGAINST UM, although I wasn't crazy about the Delano Hill PI. To me, I was really fuming about the no call on Conley because of how blatant the PI was (saw a couple pics of it today and he had Perry in a side bear hug before the ball arrived) and the idea that OSU managed to only have 2 penalties called against them for 6 yards. In a game that chippy and with an offensive line that was under barrage that much, I struggle to understand how only 2 penalities were called.
I respectfully disagree. Never looked to me like the ball got to the 15, both watching the play live and on replay. His left arm clearly crossed the 15 but his right arm/shoulder did not, and that's where the ball was.