Seems to me that JT struggles with wind. I know all QBs struggle some but I think he struggles a little more. My sense is that if he cant throw a couple of good deep balls early he gets thrown off his rhythm and he often misses early with wind. His first deep ball was badly underthrown and it didn't seem like he held on too long (IU got away with PI on it as well) so I think the wind affected it. For all his assets, I see the one liability of JT is that he doesn't have the type of arm that can deliver a ball on windy days. He's also the type of guy that will find another way to win, which is why I love him.
This is a hard one to pick. I feel like this team may not be ready for this stage yet. No doubt our recruiting the last five years has surpassed OUs and every OU fan would switch rosters with us (prob coaches too!) but the Sooners are no slouch talent wise and they are loaded with Jrs and Srs. That can make a difference in a game like this.
I kinda see this playing out a little like the 2014 PSU game where we really need JT step up and carry us in the end. I see him getting way more carries than most OSU fans will like to see simply because we struggle a little early throwing the ball and Meyer takes us in a shell somewhat. Im gonna say we win what most people will see as a game that where were outplayed (we get less than 300 yds total offense) but JT just refused to lose. I'll say 23-21 but we fall in the polls.
I wont be surprised if JT has to leave the game for a while due to us over relying on him.
I married a Bulldog too. Gonna be harder pulling for them with Kirby Smart though
Yeah its quite sad that the Buffs have become a laughingstock the last 12 years. They had a great thing going with McCartney, Neuheisel and Barnett. I think they are just the right coach away form being good again (maybe the current guy is the right guy... it took McCartney a few years). Its easy to like Boulder. A lot of kids want to go there if they are good.
Ralph is THE best mascot for sure. Only the Bengal Tiger compares....... but the Buffalo is American, Tigers aint even from around here!!
Colorado Buffs since Im an alum. The only time I would pull for CU to beat the Bucks is if they were playing in the CFP title game and OSU had already won three in a row. I'd love to see the Buffs get back to their mid 90's to early 2000s vintage.
I hear ya, but there is a difference between Hubbard and Hankins or Nick Fairly or that monster LSU had a couple years back.
I thought we were looking for DTs who could eat up the middle?
"Maybe go after a few more lacrosse players and turn them in D-linemen."
I don't think that would work well to be honest. I think the best DL are the kids who have been big all along and have become athletic because they played sports/competed while growing up. The kids you have to add a bunch of weight to are more likely to get injuries and have problems in my view. Get naturally big kids who are good athletes and have motors that like to run.
So why are there so few in the midwest vs the south? I think its cultural to a large degree. Those big kids in the south come form poor families often and they don't have much in the way of opportunities early on other than city/county rec league sports so they all play in everything..... even the unathletic looking big kids. Playing DT is doing the "dirty work" so to speak and a lot of kids aren't conditioned to do "dirty work". Kids in many southern towns grew up doing dirty work their whole lives. Its the only kind of work they can get
Good points regarding pulling for the Sooners.
For me mostly its "anyone but 'Bama". I think Sweeney seems like a good guy, yes he is a little overboard in some ways but he is mostly likable......... to me. Dantonio winning it all would sting a little but it would just be a resurfacing of the sting from us not making it when we really SHOULD have. That sting will resurface for the rest of my life............... but thoughts of 2014 immediately surface to act as a salve!!
A Sparty/whoever final is all Im pulling for. Whoever takes it from there is not a strong feeling.....yet. Sometimes I don't know who Im pulling for until a game starts and something happens.
While Ive always had a bit of an affinity for fellow B1G teams, going all the way back to the 70s, it has increased much more over the last decade as the SEC homers pushed all their " 7th place SEC team would win the B1G" sh!t. I really just want to shut them up.
I can even agree that the SEC has been the most impressive top to bottom for quite a while and they do play a great brand of football but the difference is neither as big nor should it mean as much in the rankings as it seems to.
To see the mighty perennial SEC champ Alabama get beat by two different B1G teams in the playoffs in consecutive years would be soooo sweet!
About that MSU game I agree. It hurts even more now and is the most inexplicable loss in my lifetime.
I know the Beck hatred is high around here but we need to put the blame in two places IMO 2) JT..... he had his worst game as a Buckeye with missed reads and vision downfield under pressure. There were opportunities to make plays and he just missed em. Hey it happens, I can live with that. 1) Urban Meyer... He knew Zeke was gonna be less than 100%... sounds like way less so instead of just going away from your usual offensive sets and completely changing things how about give Dunn the ball and see what he does? You've been raving about his progress all offseason and he has looked good in his spot duty so GIVE HIM THE DAMN BALL!! Virtually every other top team out there has a second or third back that gets meaningful carries from their typical sets but we only seem to get Brax or Samuel carries on jet sweeps or wildcat stuff. Its baffling to me. Going away from what you typically do is not usually a recipe for success and Meyer should get full blame here. Im sure he gets last say on all personnel decisions.
Honestly I can live with a player having a bad game more than a head coach who doesn't trust his players in a tough environment. Im not suggesting that this should put Meyer on thin ice in any way, shape or form but I think it does show what his frailties are as a coach. His circle of trust needs to be expanded and he shouldn't go into a shell when the environment gets a little scary and unfamiliar. We played scared that night and it was because he coached scared. He didn't have Zeke at flu strength, JT was off and he didn't have any other trustworthy (in his mind) options. He either is remiss in not developing a player he can trust in that situation or he was unable to see that there was another guy he could trust.
I love Meyer and don't want him to go anywhere but his own insecurities cost us that game.
Well Ive always kinda pulled for B1G teams in games against other schools but I would have NEVER engaged in stadium wide "BEE ONE GEE, BEE ONE GEE,....." type chants as is common amongst the SEC folks. While I will pull for MSU, mainly because of Dantonio, I won't take some sort of "conference superiority" away from it. The main reason I pull for B1G schools usually is I have followed them and know more of their players..... and there are usually OSU connections somewhere on coaching staffs as well.
I hope like hell that Dantonio stomps Saban, he owes him one from a few years back. Its gonna be a tall order for sure but I think they have the goods to do it. I think they can keep Henry from running crazy on them and make Coker make a couple plays
" I hooked up with Jennifer Lawrence and Krysten Ritter last night. "
Thats pretty funny cuz I actually was with Jennifer last night.
Pruitt is kind of an asshole according to people in the know around here............. just sayin'
Thinking the same thing here. I bet McElwain gets a call this week reminding him how important it is for the conference to get a team in the playoff. Im sure a couple million to the school is all it would take for Florida not to play TOO hard. Don't want Henry injured or anything y'know.
Cmon man, if we had played Bamas schedule we'd be beating our chests about the number of bowl teams we'd beaten. Give credit where its due. Is Bama clearly the best team right now? I don't think so but they ARE in the discussion. Would they want to play us right now? I doubt it.
Does the SEC get too much credit conference wise? I think so but that doesn't mean they aren't a tough conference. Its all a matter of degree.
I have conceded for years that the SEC , top to bottom, is the toughest.... but not by nearly the margin they like to think. They have 6-10 programs that put the type of financial support to football that only OSU/Mich and maybe PSU/Neb do in the B1G. MSU lags behind us in the type of financial commitments to football but they get huge returns on their investments. In the SEC you have Bama, Auburn, LSU, UGA, Fla, Tenn, S Car, A&M, Arky and Ole Miss that throw tons of money at coaching staffs, recruiting pipelines etc. Obviously many get a poor return on their investments but they put a better than average product on the field most of the time.
Personally I agree with the approach of the NW, Wisc, Minn and Iowa programs(Wisc is actually a tweener); get a solid coach, find players that buy in and are tough and go play sound football. Will they beat the A&Ms/Arkansas/Ole Miss/South Car most of the time? Maybe not but they will beat them enough of the time and rarely get embarrassed.
I think the SEC schools are stupid to be honest. They end up having 3 or 4 that pay mega millions for a 4or 5 loss team and then they have to pay more to upgrade their coach to meet the fans ridiculous expectations.
We really shouldn't be talking about this anymore but.......... my final $.02
I think the correct place to put blame is on Meyer. He sets the tone and HE was playing scared Sat night. First time Ive seen it. I am glad Meyer is our HC but I have said form the very beginning that he is "Tressel out of the shotgun", which BTW isn't a slam since I think Tressel was an outstanding coach. Most of the things that people think make Meyer different from Tressel are window dressing type stuff. In game thinking and philosophy are very similar. Run it run it run it, shorten the game, play good defense, go home with W. Meyer cares little about being criticized for stomping people (Tressel would call off the dogs earlier in my opinion) but that is the main style difference.
His offense were NOT wide open at UF. He dinked us to death in '06 and smothered us with a great D. Meyer will use tempo (but it is being used less and less for some reason). Meyer is not the best tactician in the business, not the best clock manager and not the best strategist either, but his total package is top 2 or 3 mainly because he doesn't suck at aforementioned things and he is a great recruiter and great motivator. I think he is a great motivator because he just channels his own genuine feelings to the young guys. They know he loves and cares about the sport/team he is working with. This is his passion.
Meyer laid a big egg Sat night I think..... he shit the bed. There were huge outside factors like absolutely miserable weather making a lot of things very difficult but Meyer shrunk his circle of trust it seems. Once we really got into the game Meyer just wanted to get out of there with a 17-14 win and couldn't care less how his team looked. He turned it over to JT hoping the way he bailed us out in Happy Valley last year would happen again... and JT couldn't do it. No slam on him even the best sometimes fail. Meyer had a small circle of trust when it came down to it. He needs more people he CAN trust (on the field) or he just needs to trust more people and allow them to live up to that trust.
I think today will show a lot about Meyer. How OSU plays today, win or lose, will say a lot about how he handled his own role in the loss. I expect that he will get more guys involved and not put everything on JT. But this tendency of Meyers is not going away completely... its part of who he is. In fact its probably true of all coaches that they have a small group of guys they trust waaay more than others and they lean very heavily on them. I think Urban just really put too much on JT in the end and should have trusted some other guys too.
I don't think enough people remember how hard this crowd was on Tom Herman a couple years back. Yes he turned in an outstanding postseason performance (with some help of fine players mind you), but he was pretty ...... meh.. up until then. We looked good at times and looked lost at others. I love Tom Herman but I think it is way too early to call Beck a failure. No doubt he must take some responsibility for last week (as should Meyer and Warriner.... and JT frankly) but to lop off his head after a bad performance in AWFUL conditions is plain silly. Doing that will not be something that will make our job of finding someone else easier.
2002 Hands down
My first visit to the Shoe and took my dad and 13 yr old son as well. A very surreal day.
They looked pretty good in the Sugar Bowl too. We didn't exactly wipe the floor with them. Yes we were better on third down all night, had more big plays, forced more three and outs but we were still an Evan Spencer catch of a tip of the football away from really sweating bullets!!
Our 28-0 blitz over a qtr and a half was damn impressive but we didn't exactly curb stomp the Tide. It was one of the better CFB games Ive watched. Two heavy weights taking their shots nd landing quite a few................ we just landed the biggest one from 85 yards!!!!
Neither have I.
He's one of the few I haven't heard do that either. Mark Richt is another who is totally classy when it comes to that stuff.
Actually Ive never heard Saban do it either. He has plenty of other unendearing qualities but running down other programs doesn't seem to be one.
Now Spurrier on the other hand......!
Yes it is
".but now that falls under non-permissible benefits, which is a whole 'nother can of worms, and one that can get a HC and AD fired."
Absolutely!! Which was part of my point in that comment. I believe, just piecing together some comments this guy has made, that this WAS an impermissible benefit that got its cover blown when someone saw Jameis with crab legs he didn't pay for. So FSU had to do some sham investigation and punishment. This wasnt about the Tallahasse police dept not punishing theft it was about the FSU athletic dept having to create a "theft" story, not really punish the guy and then call it over. Its ugly either way but Jameis was not a thief if my suspicion is true.
As someone mentioned above, he likely heard his comment on the OReilly interview and came in the next day talked about Meyer, his book and the FSU comment. Either the surgeon jumped to a conclusion about the book or my buddy heard the "Urban Meyers new book" and "FSU comment" and understood the surgeon to be saying that these FSU comments were in the book.