Let's also not lose sight of the fact that This, as far as draft positions go, might've been our most talented secondary ever! We're talking about potentially 4 first round picks (Denzel Ward is a 1st Rounder next year, IMO) and then we'll see if Webb has improved as much as Coach Schiano has endorsed!
Still, I'd have to believe that hasn't been done since maybe those 00-01 Miami teams.
No it is. It's just that formula is a bit archaic and hasn't been updated. I was just using that fact to point out that the 132 PE rating you used is arbitrary too.
And if you meant that as an average of all the college football teams; well then you also have to account for their leagues, their massive drops in competition, sos differentials, averages of pass defense ratings through their schedule, etc.
Either way the Spring Games don't show any correlation with the arbitrary numbers chosen and the results of each respective spring game.
I understand the correlation that you're trying to make, but you're leaving out far too many factors and using an inaccurate baseline.
First and foremost, the College Football PE formula lends itself to an average of 100 - not 132, and the arbitrary number of 115 yards doesn't mean anything on it's own.
What you've excluded too much context from these spring games too:
2014 - J.T. was a redshirt freshman and hadn't played football since 2012 coming off his ACL injury.
2016 - 4 of the top 5 returning WRs were injured for the spring game and J.T. was told to just throw the ball where it's supposed to be and not to worry about the results.
2017 - wasn't much different from other returning starting QBs in football... (better than Sam Darnold for example)
I mean, we're also DBU too right? So J.T. is throwing against Lattimore, Conley, Hooker, Ward etc. all these likely 1st Rd. NFL corners and safeties, while having defensive players (Bosa) on record saying that the defense routinely dominated the offense in practice.
I mean, I think both Joe and Dwayne are special talents. I think they both win NCs here if we can sure up the OL recruiting.
But there's far too much nonchalance when considering the total offensive regression we suffered from a coaching and a talent standpoint. There's a reason why we've gotten new coaches and changed the recruiting methodology for WRs.
Please don't start this BS over spring game performances... I mean really...
Kang, your whole argument is a strawman. You're completely misrepresenting the progression of a player based on the idea of the TOTAL TEAM's depletion of NFL level talent and elite coaching. Do you hear yourself? That's not even a sound argument.
Here are the facts:
It's a fact that the OL ranked no higher than 78th in any pass protection category.
It's a fact that Isaiah Prince ranked dead last (174) in the country in pass protection for any OL who took more than 50% of snaps for his team.
It's a fact that up until the Clemson game, the OL allowed 101 pressures on 404 dropbacks. 44 of those 101 pressures came against Penn St. and Michigan. 45 of those 101 pressures were allowed by Isaiah Prince.
It's a fact that J.T. was one the best QB is the country last season against the blitz completing 60% of his throws for 10 TDs and 0 INTs. With a clean pocket he completed 67% of passes for 21 TDs against 3 INTs. He also showed excellent pocket awareness only suffering from 25 sacks and 36 hits in spite of such poor pass protection.
It's a fact that Urban Meyer has lamented the OL not being where they need to be and is on record saying he wished the second unit was more competitive, but they just aren't and there's been too many misses in OL recruiting.
It's a fact that after the Fiesta Bowl against ND, Urban said the passing game was the focus for next (this) season. Subsequently Warriner and Beck are no longer here.
Now it's also a fact that J.T. Barrett absolutely has to improve his deep ball accuracy this season and nobody in the "Pro J.T." camp has said differently, but people like you who try to label him a bust while ignoring the TOTAL offense's regression - that's the WRs, the OL, the RB, the TE, the only constant was the QB so OF COURSE if you remove waves NFL talent from the team there's going to be some sort of drop off; but how is that Barrett's fault? How is that an "excuse"???
Deadly little Miho.... Go Bucks!
Joe Burrow will win a national title, some national QB awards, and get invited to NY before it's all said in done. That kid has the juice. I do think some of the transfer talk is overblown though.
These guys came to Ohio State knowing they would have to compete. I mean Haskins is a RS Fr and Burrow is RS So. At worst, Joe gets the gig next year as RS Jr. and if he really balls out like we expect he will he could declare...then Haskins takes the reigns as a RS Jr. while Tate would be a RS So and Jones would be a RS Fr.
I don't think Tate would wait around...he'd probably transfer, and deservedly so cause the kid has talent and is a winner, but I think Jones would naturally be next up after Haskins just given the time frame.
Arm talent doesn't make you a better QB. That's the point.
None of them know the offense better than J.T., none of them run the read option better than J.T. and when it comes to decision making, grit, toughness, poise, clutch, etc, we haven't seen it from any of them in a real live situation to say they have that one up on him either.
J.T. is a proven winner and that's with a competent dynamic offense when he broke school records, B1G records, finishing 5th in the Heisman voting ; stepping up to rescue the offensive rhythm and hang 42 consecutively on TTUN and ND; and last season coming up big in OT, big time road night games, etc.
It is possible to appreciate and be excited for the future without undervaluing what this guy has done in SPITE of the situations he was put in for the most part.
Burrow and Haskins will be listed at "OR" all season long, but Burrow will be the guy because of his affinity with the offense imo.
Far as J.T. goes...just haters jumping the gun. He didn't even get to do enough today to really make any of these judgements these armchair coaches on here are making, but he was accurate and fit the ball into some tight windows against good coverage, and like the man said, if someone were better overall, they'd be starting. Period.
Nah, they line up on the weak side: it's DE-NT (1-Tech)- DT (3-Tech) - DE = [Lewis, Landers, Jones, Hubbard] so given how the line was situated, they likely ran that twist on Burrell and Prince...
Well I remember the reports when we still had Danny Clark here and Tate and he were competing at FNL, with Clark keeping pace, but the reports said Emory Jones outperformed them both, so we'll see. I still don't see Tate ever playing here barring injury...
I really appreciate these spots because while we love our football team, Ohio State is home to some really, really, really good teams across all realms including this, fencing, pistols, volleyball, tennis, wrestling, etc and we're all just really spoiled to be a part of a university as fans and/or alums who get to support these fine athletes.
Nike gives UNLV Ohio State's reject templates...but, I'd love to see an all gray OSU uni...
I still think these are the best recent ensemble of jerseys... just complete the stripe and maybe keep the standard helmet's finish and find a happy medium between the width of the stripes and it would be boss, IMHO...
I understand nostalgia behind the gray sleeves, but the artist in me hates the stripes on those...if they were like the stripes on the helmet and the pants I think they'd be much better.