DiasporaBuck 3 HOURS AGO
What was that noise?
DiasporaBuck 3 HOURS AGO
What was that noise?
Sorry CalgaryBuck, but you asked to Name you a fighter he beat at their prime which is ages 18-40? Let's see: Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya (he was 34), Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez (not green at all he was 42-0) but those are just the big names. The fact of the matter is the guy has beaten more champions than anyone and has a least beaten at least 6 HoF fighters while remaining undefeated.
The GGG argument is weak sauce. The dude fights at 160 lbs and was "scared" to go up to 168 lbs when Andre Ward called him out. He wanted to fight Mayweather for the money, not the challenge. If he was about the challenge he would've stepped up to fight Ward.
As earlier mentioned Floyd is a natural 147 lber, he doesn't really have to cut weight to make welterweight, even at jr middleweight he never has made the limit, asking him to fight a 160 lber when he's already fighting naturally bigger guys at welterweight having started at super featherweight and beating the best who dared to fight him at 130 to 154 lbs is legit in itself. He's not like the 80s fighters who started at 140 and 147 to go up to 160 or 168...
Surely she's had ample time with dad at the range? My daughter turns 11 this year and it's about that time for her... making my wife get her CCW this year too. Important ladies in my life will never be victims...damn that.
Love that they have the LBJ logo on it. I tweaked the alternative jerseys we've been rocking lately to reflect a gray version too.
I think that also goes back to why Tim Beck said the problem is everything. Like if J.T. doesn't have trust or timing down with WRs that's one issue between the QB and WRs. If he misses on a throw under the best circumstances, that's on the QB. If J.T. drops one in the bucket and it hits the WR in the chest, helmet, or hands then that's on the WR. If the WRs are given garbage plays to run, then that's on the OC. If the OL doesn't hold up in order for plays to develop downfield, then that's on the OL coach and the OL.
I think that speaks more to what SM means, like it can't suddenly be "well J.T. can't do this so the whole offense is limited", when with the right personnel and playcalling we've seen him do it and thrive at it...
Agreed, he is definitely more of a touch thrower when it comes to the deep ball, which is the reason why the timing and release of his throws is so important. His velocity is only really good when it comes to the short and intermediate passing game. But then again, with what the offense being a "shot play" offense that's not always necessary to drive the ball deep downfield, which the benefit of having receivers who can win those 50/50 ball toss ups in their catch radius.
Even in the windy, wet, or cold weather, we see QBs who are considered to have good or great arm strength like Roethlisberger, Brady, Eli Manning, etc. don't throw the ball deep in those situations but dink & dunk and scheme around it. J.T.'s 15-25 performance for 200yds and 3 TDs at Minnesota in 2014 show he can handle it, but when we think back to the last couple years we think of both MSU games and Michigan this year (maybe even Penn State too), and all those other factors become an issue as well.
J.T. doesn't get sole credit for his 2014 performance though. At the beginning that whole offense was getting critiqued until all of a sudden J.T. got his timing down with his guys; then the OL gelled and had like two holding penalties the whole season after the V.T. game? Then Ezekiel Elliott emerged. Then Jalin Marshall became a real threat at H-Back, and all of this while Tom Herman was bringing out the best in both J.T. and Cardale. In 2014, all the offensive units were strong and peaked at the end of the season. I haven't seen a single fan allude to the idea that J.T. carried the offense in 2014, but he was nearly universally praised for his distribution, his accuracy, his decision making, his reads in the option, his pre-snap adjustments when they ran tempo, etc.
Just the same in 2015 and 2016, when the offense was bad, it was everything. Glaringly so in 2016, but in 2015 still having Decker, Zeke, Thomas, Marshall, etc. masked it when J.T. took over the offense again, but the passing game was largely a mess, wasn't scripted well, wasn't in rhythm, didn't run tempo enough, etc. Doesn't mean that what we saw from him, overthrows, underthrows, late releases, etc. aren't his fault at all, some of those are absolutely his fault. He's not perfect by any stretch, but neither are some of the other QBs we compare him to (Darnold, McSorley, Watson, etc.) QBs are prone to miss easy throws and things on a regular basis, but doing that at an average clip on top of your offensive flow generally being inconsistent is going to cause it to stand out even more.
I dislike that when these discussions are had that we don't start at the beginning of last season. The passing offense was a problem last season and that was with Michael Thomas, Jalin Marshall, & Nick Vannett. That was with Ezekiel Elliott. That was with NFL caliber linemen.
The common denominator was unproven talent behind proven guys and the tandem of Ed Warriner and Tim Beck calling the offense.
We had another QB with more height, and exceptional arm strength for downfield throws on the team last season. The play calling was still terrible, the offense didn't thrive, and largely because the offensive coordination wasn't elite.
Great coordinators like Tom Herman was always found a way to get J.T. in rhythm and scripted great passing plays on different levels and he did the same thing with Dolodale en route to the '14 NC. When you call the plays and how those setup looks and other plays that come after it matters in a great offensive game plan.
That being said, people criticize QB play, when QB play is generally a function of the sum of an offense. Is the line holding their assignments, Are the WRs running their routes, holding on to the ball, creating separation, executing the scramble drill? Then comes the intangible stuff, how well does the QB know his WRs; was there consistency in the WR lineup; do they have their timing down; etc.
By most accounts there was a problem with all of the above, but nobody talks about the positives that J.T. showed in the midst of all of that in the passing game. For the record, even great QBs don't have great games against truly great defenses. Tom Brady had a terrible first half in the Superbowl, he was missing open WRs, his guys were dropping the ball, he was sacked 5 times, etc. That was a product of great defense (yea, yea we know the rest) but we can't ignore the instruction J.T. was given in running the offense. He was told not to take chances with the ball and to be conservative to prevent turnovers by Urban himself. J.T.'s pocket awareness was outstanding. The way he was able to extend plays this year while keeping his eyes downfield, pulling off some absolute houdini acts was amazing this season. And his stats when given a clean pocket and against the blitz were stellar also. There isn't a whole lot "wrong" with J.T. to begin with especially when he equalled his deep ball throwing percentage from 2014, although he did average 9 yds per attempt vs. 6.7 the last two seasons.
The holdover excuses about him are largely invalid. He has plenty of arm strength. He threw the ball 60 yards in the air and people need to stop using guys like Cardale who has ELITE arm strength as a measure of who has a strong arm. In the NFL about 80% of the QBs max out between 60-70 yards and 10% can't hit 60 yards while 10% can go above 70 yards. J.T. is fine there.
The reality is he's a guy who would've had a 3,000 yard passing season and 1,000 yard rushing season if he doesn't get injured while throwing for 65% and 9 yards per attempt. He did this with the right personnel as a redshirt freshman with four new starters on the OL without expecting to start that season. I fully believe that with a full offseason with healthy WRs and a change in offensive philosophy and creative offense; along with some fine tuning from Day, that this offense has the potential to surpass what we saw in 2014.
I'd say it's just the opposite. I'd say J.T. is a speed chess QB while Warriner ran a checkers offense. How many times were WE able to telegraph plays and knew they were coming? When J.T. was able to run tempo he was calling out things in the defense, checking to other plays, burning that 4-6 Bear front, etc. You don't get the "coach on the field" moniker, being a simple QB who doesn't know the offense inside and out...
I see these assumptions about Carmelo a lot and seems like there's the overwhelming echo of pundits who wildly UNDERRATE Carmelo Anthony. It tells me that they largely don't watch or understand the game of basketball. They call Carmelo a "ball stopper", but so was Kobe, so was Michael Jordan, but the difference is they had great teams around them and other scorers to lighten the load, which also enabled them to put more energy into the defense side of the ball. No...I'm not saying Carmelo is Kobe or MJ, but he is in the top 25 all-time in scoring he's no slouch.
Last season with the emergence of Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony was one of the top 5 close out defenders in the league and his opponents only shoot 35.7% from 3pt range and 36.5% beyond the foul line against him as an individual defender THIS season.
I also see people misusing the term "ball-dominant". Basketball, like Football has systems and roles. If a primary scorer is asked to run isolation, then they must get the ball into their sweet spots in a created mismatch and score one on one. Melo is asked to do this on his teams.
However, if we compare him to the role he prefers to play, (i.e. USA Basketball) we see him post up, spot up, catch and shoot, beat slower bigs off the dribble, etc. He's leagues more efficient and when healthy and not the only offensive option, he's actually a good defender.
As far as the trade options go - I can only offer up a dream scenario for the Cavs...(highly unlikely) There's a very real chance that Sacremento Kings won't hold on to DeMarcus Cousins once he hits free agency after next season. The Cavs can offer up Love straight up for Cousins, who is signed into his prime. It'll put Love back into a similar role he had with the T'Wolves and they can try to build around him with the younger bigs Koufos and Cauley-Stein. That will give the Cavs a younger core 2 with a true high screen pick & roll threat, elite rebounder, and shot blocker with Cousins (26) teaming with Kyrie for the future.
Then you've got the next option which is trading Channing Frye and Tristan Thompson to the NYK for Carmelo Anthony. This is giving the Knicks more than they deserve, but pairing Thompson and Porzingis would be a great set of bigs for the Knicks. Anthony is at his best when he's playing the stretch 4 role. He's big enough to defend PFs (most of which are his size and slow nowadays anyway), score in the post, space the floor, and bully smaller forwards in small ball.
The Cavs could then bring in a playmaker like Stevenson for the mid-level exception or perhaps use some of their trade exceptions to create enough cap room to get another piece.
How's that for a NBA Finals big 4 match up: Kyrie, LeBron, Melo, & Boogie vs. Steph, Klay, KD, & Draymond.
OSU1978, using PE has a metric to determine how good a QB is playing isn't a solid metric. That only determines how efficient of a passer he is, not necessarily that he's a good or even great passer, not that he's a winner or a loser, not how much of a threat he is running, how good his reads and protection adjustments are, not how well they can recognize a defense or a mismatch in the alignment, not their pocket presence, ability to extend a play, etc.
This is what J.T. was talking about when he said criticisms are from people who don't really know football. I'm not implying that you don't but there are many things to consider when measuring the performance of a passing offense and that includes personnel, timing, play calling, rapport, game-plan and so on.
Take for example Deshaun Watson. In each of his 3 seasons his Yards, YPG, Attempts per game, and TDs went up, while his Comp %, Yards per attempt, sacks, INTs, and QBR went down. He this span his YPA went from 10.7 to 8.4 to 7.9 and his QBR went down each year from 188.6 to 156.3 to 151.1 in games they played tough defenses or he struggled his QBR was right in the 145 range. So yea I'd say the 160 number is a little absurd to use as starting point. To frame that, Watson only went over 160 6 times and against ranked teams, his QBR averaged to 143.41.
J.T.'s best season, like you said, came as a RS Freshman, who wasn't expecting to play, had no experience, and with solid NFL talent on the line, an NFL RB, NFL WRs, and great defenses along with great coaching staff, especially so on offense.
In 2015 he was still recovering from his injury and pressing, on top of the fact of Cardale, Darron Lee, and Zeke saying the play-calling was trash. You can tell when Urban stepped in to make calls with TTUN and ND as OSU was running more triple option looks, run-pass options, the shuffle passes, etc. on top of the power run.
In 2016, the offensive passing game didn't improve and it was difficult for that to happen with I believe it was 4 out of the top 5 receivers sidelined with injuries. I remember them talking about it in the spring game that the coaches told Barrett not to worry about the mistakes the WRs make and to just throw it to where they're supposed to be. Then of course none of the WRs separated themselves but Noah Brown, and there was a constant rotation of the WRs and no real rhythm or familiarity can be established without that work in the offseason, no separation during the season, and inept passing game coordination (really inept offensive gameplan period) you have a perfect storm of poor performances.
Long story short, you can't simply say J.T. is a poor passer when he's shown the ability to be a great one as he was just learning on the job. He's had the QBR, the Completion %, the TD to INT ratio, the Yards per attempt, and every other metric when he was new on the job.
Ironically Ohio and Georgia are next up in that list.
Sheffield and Ward on the outside; Webb in the slot. Fuller and Smith at the Safeties. It's been a long time coming for Erick Smith, but if he's healthy there were scouts talking about how he could be the better pro prospect than Marshon Lattimore.
I'm not sold on Arnette, but I think Okudah or Wade could beat him out potentially in dime packages.
Probably not physically as gifted as Malik, but remember Malik was like <insert Harbaugh hands.jpg> this close to quitting the team until he rededicated himself and as a result will be a Day 1 draft pick.
It's not really. As I laid out in another post he officially had 35 overthrows, but what I said in context was that maybe 10 of them were just egregiously bad and those overthrows are being highlighted as his standard; when there was also 19 drops as well when he was on the money down field and it bounces off a guy's chest or off of his helmet.
We've regularly seen J.T. make some beautiful throws downfield where he'll drop dimes in a bucket then make some terrible what the hell was that kinda throws, but all of that comes with familiarity and trust. The only guys he trusted were Samuel and Baugh. People neglect the fact that 4 outta the top 5 receivers were out all throughout spring ball with injuries too or recovering from surgery. That's a lot of missed reps and timing.
Given how much he was pressured (this is with only the standard rush) including having literally the worst Pass-Pro tackle in college football, on average that's 2.69 overthrows per game. It's not as bad as everyone tries to make it out to be, because they couple that with offense sucking in general the last two years. It's not who's making who look bad. Even Urban himself said on many occasions, nobody is really separating themselves when it comes to the WRs. The fact that Austin Mack and Ben Victor were able to immediately crack the two-deep as true freshman should be telling enough too.
FYI, Pro Football Focus isn't just a UM homer ran thing, Josh L. is only one analyst. Steve Palazzolo, Sam Monson, Gordon McGuinness, Nathan Jahnke, and Mike Renner are also analysts for the site and like it or not, the advanced analytics are legit.
Thanks for confirming the points of my post; rehashing the same things. I pointed out (if you actually read everything) that there were maybe ten such throws this year and confirming for me that it's not a prominent part of the offense. "Dozens" is a wild exaggeration negate the fact that he completed 67% of such throws with a clean pocket for 21 TDs though.
Characterizing him as "terribly inaccurate" for some 15-17 throws out of 300 or so? 35 of which were officially overthrown, 19 of which were drops, and 12 batted down at the LOS? That's the rub, people are condensing his season to the average 7 total times per game when a pass was overthrown or batted down at the LOS, nevermind the normalcy of this average being similar to QBs they covet or QBs they've never seen before.
And actually Cardales downfield frequency wasn't any more than JTs as they ran the same base plays which resulted in deep balls to Devin Smith - the same ones J.T. had been throwing all year - and the same ones that disappeared when Cardale was starting and there wasn't a truly legitimate deep threat on the team. That's what J.T.'s whole weenie arm rant was about; people inaccurately using he term "arm strength" when talking about deep balls. Underthrowing people isn't about arm strength it's about timing. Arm strength is more akin to how fast can you get it to your WR through tight windows, not how far you can throw the ball I mean the dude threw it 60 yards in a passing competition...the issue is Cardale has exceptional arm strength when compared to anyone, but then again so did JaMarcus Russell.
I was actually working on a similar article in support of J.T. The fact of the matter is the casual fan is numb to how an offense works. They just assume that an offense is limited by its QB only and that's simply not the case. Urban Meyer doesn't run a vertical offense and never has. The vertical pass is a wrinkle in Urban's offense. His philosophy has always been, stretch the field horizontally, get athletes in space one on one, and let them make a play to get chunk yardage with RAC.
That said, J.T. can only play in the system and under the structure he's allowed to play in. If he's instructed to hold the ball and be conservative than that's what he has to do. If the passing game coordination is based on short to intermediate passes, then that can be factor of several things:
If you don't have WRs who can outrun DBs, out-route DBs, or out-jump DBs for 50/50 balls, then your offense simply isn't going run plays designed to go that way. If you don't have the pass protection to allow those routes to develop you're not going to call those plays either. There's also the overlooked fact that 4 out the top 5 wideouts were injured or recovering from surgery during Spring Ball if I'm not mistaken. So it's not like J.T. had all the time to develop chemistry with them until they were healthy enough in fall camp. It's not merely a function of "well J.T. struggles against elite defenses" eh no, how about Ohio State's whole offense has struggled against elite defenses that have been able to take away the power run. This is why the QB run has been so heavily leaned on.
There's a very specific reason why Urban said "we're going to let J.T. play AND open up the offense" which suggests that the coaching schemes were holding J.T. back and a lack of reps going deep. Even Cardale himself said, it AIN'T the QB. It's this staff being unable to find the balance it wanted which is the reason why Urban got Kevin Wilson. In 2015 his offense had a QB complete 60% for 3500+ yards, 27 TDs to 7 INTS, two 1000+ yard rushers, and three receivers with over 50+ catches, with 1,000+. 900+, and 650+ yards respectively. We see Urban isn't really recruiting the H-back type any more, but true WRs who will definitely compliment this offense more going forward.
Recency bias has everyone thinking J.T. was just missing guys left and right, but only because he had some glaringly bad misses on few occasions, but you're really talking about maybe 10 throws that were that bad the whole season. Every QB has misses where they flat out miss easy throws, throwing behind guys or overthrowing them. These same people will talk about how great Trace McSorley was, but he only completed 57% of his passes this year, but he played in a vertical offense with WRs and a TE who could go get it and win 50/50 balls and the same could be said of most of the QBs names we've seen floated about, Darnold, Watson, etc. I mean show me the comparative pass pro and the early round receivers that J.T. has too please?
The stats the Ozone article missed and misstated are these very important ones:
"Barrett was pressured 101 times on 404 dropbacks. An absurd 44 of those 101 pressures came against Penn State and Michigan. According to the guys at Pro Football Focus, right tackle Isaiah Prince has allowed a nation worst 45 pressures on the season. Out of those 404 dropbacks, Barrett was sacked 25 times and hit 36 times. With the high amount of pressures, it shows that Barrett has pretty good pocket awareness and ability to avoid the rush if he was only hit 36 times and sacked 25.
Also according to Pro Football Focus, Barrett completed 66.9 percent of his passes when he was given a clean pocket, along with a 21 touchdown passes to only 3 interceptions. When facing pressure, his completion percentage dipped to 46.8 percent and threw only 3 touchdowns to 1 interception. When facing the blitz, the quarterback was sensational — completing 59.8 percent of his passes and recording 10 touchdowns to 0 interceptions. For all of the negatives that are pointed out about his game, Barrett is quite accurate when facing a clean pocket or one less defender in the secondary. The blitz numbers show that he makes quick decisions and can easily dissect the blitz."
For comparison, Deshaun Watson's numbers are similar against the blitz and against pressure with him toasting the blitz for 22 TDs, but his completion percentage dipping to 47.6% and 6 INTs against the rush, good for 68th out of 70 qualifying QBs, while also missing easy throws of his own for a -10.6 grade according to Pro Football Focus.
Bottom line the whole offense has been mess for two straight years and Urban is correcting it.
I know this might sound crazy, but I think both Campbell and McLaurin should move to H-B; primarily because that's the position they were recruited to play, not to be every down WRs. Parris is good with the ball in his hands. He's fast, runs hard, and has the size to run consistently. Run TMC is similar; he was a do everything guy in high school, running, catching, and wildcat and he needs to be put into space. Both are about 6'0" 200lbs, but with McCall and EGW waiting in the wings we'll have to see how Kevin Wilson utilizes them.
This is brilliant.
I also think that they should just put a premium on advertising space too. People are more likely to be annoyed by seeing the same damn commercial six times a game than encouraged to buy something, so offer less advertising spots for more money so they make sure they get their revenues while increasing the bidding wars for TV time and eliminating the multitude of commercials for a prime few so we watch more of the game.