How else were they gonna beat a team that wears Scarlet???
And not just Irving and Love either, but Shump playing with a strained groin, Mike Miller hobbled with a back injury, No Varejao, and a bench with James Jones, Shawn Marion, and Kendrick Perkins.
The Cavs literally ran out of capable bodies and the Warriors just ran them off the floor.
Now the Cavs can run, go big, space the floor, and have a deep bench...whole different team and mentality and peaking around the right time.
I mean if Bama can do it, why can't we? I understand your sentiment, but we've signed 3 top 10 corners before in the same class, and with how our DBs -- especially our corners -- are getting drafted, I wouldn't say it's totally improbable that we could land that trio.
If the Cavs learned from Game 1 of last season, that they definitely needed to run more to keep their wind up while having all those days off so they don't get tired like they did against ATL because that could cost them a game. But this one is pretty simple -- Cavs have the advantage in the post and rebounds with Jonas out for the playoffs; and if the Cavs center their defense on taking Lowery out of the game, the Raptors will be outta there in 4 games and especially so, if Cleveland keeps up the shooting like they did from last series.
So let's change the wording then - since nobody knows for sure, it's highly probable that a fully healthy Cavs roster wins the series last year against the Warriors. They were literally seconds away from going up 3-0 with a Kyrie coming off an injury then going down completely because of one, Love out, Varejao out, Miller out, Shump playing with a strained groin, so you had a Cavs team with just Lebron, Delly, J.R. Mozgov, Thompson - followed by a bench of James Jones, Josh Harris, Brendan Haywood, Shawn Marion, & Kendrick Perkins.
So you're talking about 4 guys in your regular rotation out or injured then a bench full of guys who don't play. That would be like Golden State without Klay, Draymond, Bogut, and Livingston with Iggy playing with groin strain -- yet it still went six games.
It can't be understated how much having two other guys who can carry the load on offense does for LeBron's game. We've seen it. When he has two other players that can go for 20+ on average he can focus more on defense, rebounding, and assists where his game becomes uber-efficient. You're also adding two more playmakers, two more floor spacers, another 10+ rebounds, etc, etc. and that's just from Kyrie and Love.
So yea, the Warriors were motivated by that and that's why they come out and win 73 games this year; Curry wins another MVP, and meanwhile, you have the Cavs who are 12-0 when their big three play in playoff games and peaking at the right time. We'll see how it all plays out!
Yea, I mean it's tough to call now. I don't think either team is the same from when they met last year or even earlier in the season. The Cavs are a running team now. Last year and even earlier in the year the Cavs were still more of a half court team. I think the Frye addition is huge, because he gives them what they want out of Love's game and still more height and rebounding.
Like a healthy Cavs team could roll out say Kyrie, Shump, J.R., LeBron, Thompson against a Steph, Klay, Barnes, Iggy, Green lineup, but when they go to the benches, having Love and Frye out there keeps Ezli and Bogut out of the paint. Jefferson and Delly can both defend and shoot 40% from three...I mean this is a much, much different Cavs squad.
Still, DON'T SLEEP ON THE THUNDER. They seemed to have figured out a way past their biggest crutch, which was to CLOSE games. They lost to the Warriors this season all three games, but they had fourth quarter leads in all three games too. This past series they finished the Spurs - they didn't just lose. So that confidence should carry over and we could one hell of a series between GS and OKC.
Yea sports writing ego tripping is the only reason there haven't been more unanimous MVPs...Jordan should've had at least one of his 5, and both Shaq and LeBron were one vote away from being unanimous in 2000 and 2013 respectively. That takes away from the accomplishment IMO because you know that one guy did it out of spite or to be contrarian for the sake of doing it....
Still, if I'm starting a franchise, I don't know how you don't take Steph Curry. It's shooters league and he completely changes the game when he's on the floor. It's truly absurd how good he is. I mean, I remember watching how crazy he was a Davidson...now I only shudder to think of how badly TEAM USA is going kill teams when you've got Steph and Klay on the floor with guys like LeBron, KD, and Anthony Davis...it really isn't fair what we're about to do to the rest of the world...again...
You've lost me for second...I mean did you watch Canelo vs. Khan this weekend? Canelo straight up called out GGG to his face in the ring. I know the knocks that have been on Canelo for fighting at a catchweight, but that's out the window...and I'm not sure if you meant GGG in regards to Cotto, because Canelo has already beat Cotto by UD in his last fight...
2) Maybe you missed the fact that GGG said everyone from 168 to 154 is AFRAID TO FIGHT HIM...and when Andre Ward called him out on that, he MADE EXCUSES and backed down, besides the comparison was actually to you asking for GGG vs Mayweather, not GGG vs Canelo. I was asking how is it fair that you feel like Mayweather who is naturally two weight classes below GGG should fight, and that Mayweather is scared if he doesn't, but when a guy who's one weight class above GGG calls him out, who's also undefeated, and GGG makes excuses not to fight him, why don't you judge him with the same criteria?
That was the question, that's why I said you're using hypocrite's logic, not calling you one personally and I apologize if you took it as an attack or insult.
I love MMA too, and people need to realize that UFC is still the fastest growing sport, but NOBODY is making the kind of money top boxers make. The highest purse an MMA fighter has ever got is close to $10 million, Floyd just made damn near 30x that and before that was getting purses upwards of 20+ million after fighting De La Hoya, earning some of the highest guaranteed purses ever 40+ million and people tend to forget that boxing, like soccer is a global sport. MMA is mostly U.S. Japan, Brazil, and Western Europe.
And hell yea McGregor is ducking Frankie Edgar...and I really think the way he beat Aldo was flukey too.
You keep saying - after their primes - like Floyd was in his prime. You clearly don't know boxing. He was setting Hatton up for that all night. He used what's called a check hook to KO him and get him out of there. After fight Luis Collazo buckled Hatton with it; and then Freddie Roach said that Pacquiao and he watched the tape of how Floyd set him up and used the exact same punch to KO Hatton in the 2nd round -- Funny how nobody noticed this weakness in an undefeated pressure fighter until Floyd exposed it?
These dudes all ducked Floyd in his prime because Floyd wasn't a household name. When Floyd was knocking guys out left and right at 135lbs he called out Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Kosta Tsyzu, Miguel Cotto, and they turned him down for big money fights at heavier weights. Cotto ducked Floyd in 2005 and said he was ready to fight him; Mosley ducked Mayweather twice, once to move up for a money fight against Oscar, then again in 2007 because he had a toothache. Pacquiao wouldn't agree to random testing and his promoter got tabbed for lying about it.
He schooled Marquez and stood in front of Cotto the whole fight which is why he took more damage than he ever did before, to prove to people like you, that you don't know what you're talking about. That he's great in the pocket, great walking guys down, great inside fighting, great outside fighting, that basically he can do whatever, and still beat the guy in front of him.
Please learn about the sport before commenting on it - the sweet science has fans of boxers who go toe to toe blood and guts warrior types, but there's also people who love fight-plans, footwork, angles, head movement, counter-punching, etc. You don't get to be the consensus #1 P4P fighter in the world, oversimplifying the work it takes neutralize your opponent, not take damage, and hit your opponent at will. For every GGG or Kovalev there's a Ward or Rigondeaux - the sweet science isn't going anywhere.
You don't have to like it and your opinion is respected as always, but don't try to make it out to seem like a guy sucks or is scared when you're not privy to the actual boxing history or business of the fighters...
You're using hypocrites logic right now. First of all Canelo just called GGG out in the ring to his face this weekend after he KO'd Amir Khan. Canelo invited him into the ring and said "I'm from Mexico and we don't fuck around and I'm not scared of nobody, I'll fight GGG right now," so look for that fight to probably get made around Mexican Independence Day in September.
On the flip side - you just called Canelo a pussy for fighting at 155 despite holding a belt at 160 lbs. Floyd has maxed his fight weight out at 154 lbs, a weight he's never actually made (151 lbs has been his heaviest weight and his walk around weight) to fight GGG who typically weighs about 175 lbs on fight night...this is a guy who is a natural light heavyweight who you're saying a guy who is natural welterweight should fight...BUT on the other end, you don't call GGG a pussy when his camp says nobody from 168 to 154 wants to fight him, but when undefeated fighter at 168lbs Andre Ward calls out GGG, they make all kinds of excuses to duck him when he's only one weight class above him, rather than calling out guys who were two weight classes beneath you... THAT is some pussy moves right there.
The ONLY reason the "public" wants to see that fight is because it's a complete physical mismatch for Floyd and they just want to see him lose or get KO'd, because he's beaten everyone they said he wouldn't fight and everyone they said he was scared of the last 6 years. They're boxing illiterate.
You're talking about a guy who should be fighting at 140 lbs or so, LOL. It's the same for ANY fighter not suspected of being on roids who jumps up or grows up to 3 weight classes from when they started. They tend to have less knockouts.
Smaller guys who weigh 150 lbs walking around around aren't generally KOing guys who rehydrate to weigh 15-25+ pounds than them on fight night, especially when the 150 lbs guy has had a history of breaking his hands and figured out a way to still be effective in spite of those disadvantages by outsmarting his opponents.
And no, his KO against Victor Ortiz was actually legit and within the rules - protect yourself at all times - let's not mention the ACTUALLY dirty headbutts and cheap shots Ortiz took prior to him getting KO'd though?
Floyd's best performances were probably against Arturo Gatti and Diego Corrales - both HoF fighters - both got TKO'd.
Well you should learn how boxing is scored, it could help you out. Punches landed (number, how clean, how hard), command of the fight pace, ring generalship, effective aggression, on a round by round basis. There's a criteria. It's not just left to opinion. That's why when judges give opinionated scores, they usually get suspended or get their licenses revoked altogether.
^^^ EXACTLY....don't buy the hype...
Why do people ask this question like Floyd is immune to age or something? Every challenge Floyd has taken as been against a top P4P ranked fighter who was either a champion or coming off a winning streak.
Just at welterweight, he beat: Oscar De La Hoya at his natural weight of 154 lbs, undefeated Ricky Hatton by KO, #2 ranked P4P Juan Manuel Marquez, #1 WW lineal Champ #3 P4P Shane Mosley, Jr. Middleweight champ Miguel Cotto, #9 P4P 1# Jr. Middleweight champ Canelo Alvarez...
I mean it's funny how you guys only want to make fighters seem like their trash AFTER Floyd makes them look average, but before the fight, Floyd is scared of this guy, or this guy is dangerous, etc. It's a joke.
Like you're talking about a guy who is one of the most accurate punchers in recorded punch stats history, a dude who normally lands more than 40% of his power punches, and was more offensively sound than Sweet Pea EVER was (who also had pillows for fists), but because Floyd knows how to neutralize his opponents best weapons altogether, while hitting them at will that puts him at fault?
Could've swore the sweet science was about hitting and not getting hit...
That's false dude. Manny did NOT agree to RANDOM blood tests which is why the fight always fell through. You must not really know the terms of the fight. Manny was the A-side of the first negotiations; he wanted 18 x 18 ring size (smallest possible, largest is 25 x 25), 8 oz Reyes gloves (puncher's gloves, Floyd typically uses 10 oz. Grants), 50/50 revenue split, and a 10 million dollar per pound weight penalty if Mayweather came in overweight -- Floyd agreed to ALL of Manny's terms and his ONLY demand was USADA RANDOM blood testing for the fight -- to which Manny claimed he was scared of needles and wouldn't take the tests, but agreed to three scheduled tests, one in January, 30 days before the fight, and immediately after the fight.
I'm a bit of a hardcore boxing fan and I really hate to see fans who might casually follow the sport passing on this BS that was created by the Pacquiao hype machine. Floyd has never ducked anyone, but there's plenty of evidence of guys ducking him and then there's just the business of boxing - which he's proven he's unmatched in that area as well. I digress.
Here you can find an entire timeline complete with boxing articles, quotes, and video from creditable boxing sources on how things with Pacquiao and Mayweather REALLY went down, and why Arum is a snake that Floyd didn't trust. Part 1 and Part 2.
Floyd is a flawed man who has made many mistakes in his life and people hate him for that -- but revisionist history would have people forget that Ali was also hated in the same manner when he was champ, a draft dodger, called racist and a womanizer, Sugar Ray Robinson was 10x worse than Floyd outside of the ring, Sugar Ray Leonard was accused of ducking Marvin Hagler and Aaron Pryor in his career, so yea, no All Time Great is without their flaws and detractors.
Floyd was a pure boxer in the mold of Willie Pep and Pernell Whitaker before him. Like him or not, he was a master boxer who made other Hall of Fame fighters and world champions look average - and had he fought a less wiser Pacquiao in 2010 there's a great chance Floyd would've knocked him out.
Ended? You mean as in knockouts? Floyd has more career knockouts than Sugar Ray Leonard...with 26 out of 49.
Exactly! Let me know forget the Women's Rowing team either after they just three-peated.
We're sooooo spoiled to have such great competitive teams across all sports...Volleyball, Gymnastics, Football, Pistol, Fencing, Wrestling, Tennis, Women's Hoops, etc. I mean wow...
Not the same thing to be fair. Asking a kid's name who you couldn't remember, but clearly knowing who he was once he got his name isn't the same as mistaking a kid for a whole other person which is what Hoke did.
Don't you mean Rod Jones?
Glad to see Webb excelling in his new role. It's a tough ordeal, but as good as Eric Smith looked when he played, Damon Webb was actually on the field and as the starting Nickel and looked pretty darn good himself, which makes it hard to imagine him giving up the spot when he has proven himself moreso than Smith whom he beat out along with Burrows for the spot.
Either way it goes, we'll be absolutely loaded at DB, especially with the class we have coming in this summer, and next year's class if it holds up.
I'll pick for the Steelers - actually looking forward to the intriguing options that could fall based on needs in this draft.
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