At 55% passing JT is not looking better. And yes it is simply as easy as not making turnovers and penalties. Two fumbles by Marshall kills a red zone chance and a start of a drive. Or a penalty takes a TD away on a swing pass. I just listed 3 passes that would have made Jones look better. Instead they ended with zero points. Keep in mind the other penalties that take a 3rd and short and turn them into a low % play or negates a good play. So yes fix those and and the offense is in better position
This isn't last year and JT is looking just as bad this year. If JT starts are you going to hold him accountable for the penalties and turnovers as well? I don't remember people doing it last year but for some reason CJ is responsible for them all this year. I'd much rather have the best QB play which seems to be CJ based on the selection by the coaches. I'd rather not lose a start for CJ to get better just because people assume JT is going to magically fix penalties and turnovers. Btw we have the best RB in cfb running the spread option takes carries out of his hands and gets the QB hit which I thought everyone complained about when we didn't feed the RBs enough the previous two seasons
The difference this year is that Zeke will have chance to crush the record books. The read option led to a lot of hits on the QB and limited carries for the RBs.
If they clean up penalties and turnovers a lot of the problems will fix themselves.
So if JT has a bad game who should be QB?
Lol, if I am correct this is the play where the flag was thrown and everyone else was waiting for it to be called back... That's what kind of day it was
Of course this is the same brand recognition that no one at ESPN had a problem with when there were 10 ranked SEC teams in week 2. MSU still had a win over a top 5 team more than what tcu or Baylor can claim. OSU may not look good now, but any analyst with half a brain can look at the roster and head coach and say at any given point OSU can figure it out. It happened last season. As mentioned before, get rid of preseason polls. So far how many top 10 teams lost? If anything it's an indictment on how little their analysts know and how they rank teams on conference recognition
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Some turnovers are coming from the QB position, the other 14 are not and the stupid penalties are not coming from the QB position as well. We lost a lot in experienced WRs. You have players running the wrong routes at times, you don't have the same level of blocking from that group. The offense is putting up yards and points, its killed itself with untimely turnovers and penalties and questionable play calling in trying to force feed a player
Perhaps losing Corey Smith, Marshall's two fumbles had something to do with that as well. Our next option is a converted QB and RB running routes. Is that a knock on CJ or a knock at the lack of depth in the WR corps?
Did you think JT ran this offense like a well oiled machine last year when we were down 20-14 with 2mins left in the 3rd quarter? And this was a game where IU started without their QB. There seems to be a lot of selective memory going on about this offense. When the run game was shut down so was the offense last year, one of the main reasons why CJ had success was because he could go over the top and Defenses couldn't stack the box anymore. People seem to under estimate the value of Smith and Spencer. We have 3 great athletes that have never played WR before college running routes. I'm going to go out on a limb and say JT would have similar problems and is when he gets in the game. Perhaps we should stop trying to distribute and just keep it simple and let the players that make plays stay in rather than rotating people in and out. I feel like that disrupts the rhythm more than anything. If we're up big the players will get the touches, if anything the play calling feels forced rather than flowing.
Did you believe this team was a championship caliber team last year at this point? I'd leave the decision making to the coaches, I can find several games last season where this offense looked equally as bad and that's going past week 5. JT barely beat Jones last year, but JT never had to share snaps with another QB or give up snaps to Miller to run the read option. The biggest issue is penalties and turnovers and that's not all coming from the QB position
They also caught TDs, who was open deep today?
pretty sure OSU didn't cover many spreads last year either and had 1 loss at this point as well. TCU didn't win their conference last season and rightly didn't deserve it. Who cares that they beat ole miss, it's not proof that they deserved the nod. All of the teams in it beat better teams and won the conference championship all better on a resume than what TCU did before the selection.
And he hit 2 for TDs, Smith was the only WR to do it consistently last year. We don't have that player that can do it consistently yet or they haven't called that play enough take your pick
We need to find Another Devin Smith to stretch the D
I don't think anyone ever said that? I'm pretty sure all the threads last year were how Herman sucks after VT and psu or please don't be hurt JT
JT was not consistent in every game last year, he didn't share snaps with another player as jones did in the first 5 games. Miller has taken snaps, JT has taken snaps. Not exactly fair to say Jones had an equal shot with looking over his shoulder. And it's not like JT has stepped in and commanded the team, we wanted a starter named and now we have one and now we want a two QB system? We don't run the same offense as we did last year, so calling for JT who hasn't seemed comfortable in it doesn't make sense. The only way to get the old JT is to totally go back to the old offense.... Doesn't seem like the best decision after 5 games
So basically you're saying only your opinion matters,but when I bring up various games of subpar performance by JT it doesn't count? I get it, I do agree leadership matters I'd like to think that they believed in Jones leadership when they counted on him last year too. They are running completely different offenses now, had they still be running the same offense as last season you'd have a point. They're not. So does JT have the same stats in the pro style? Who knows, but he hasn't done anything to take the job away or make anyone believe he is better in the snaps he's had. Sorry but no QB controls whether or not Marshall fumbles twice. But the lack of leadership by jones must be the factor? And trust me if Urban goes to JT it's his call, but the biggest errors today were not solely from the QB today
So are we trying to say that smooth jazz is the greatest backup QB in the world? Same rules apply there's no reason that JT couldn't do the same as KG.
But the offense last year did not perform any better than the offense this year against IU. And now you have QBs and HBs running WR routes. So really you have several skill players playing positions they weren't recruited for no matter what the offense is.
And when we struggled against IU last year was JT hurt again? JT had his fair share of struggles last year and so far this year. My only point is that the struggles are not just on the QB, but we are trying to say it is. Maybe we didn't pass because zeke was on fire or that we couldn't have WRs hold on to the ball after making the catch. Jones didn't have 7 personal fouls. But we seem to be placing an overall poor performance on 1 player which is not right
They rarely ran read option the last 3 games last year. Zeke didn't put up the numbers he did in the spread option. It was because the OL was on fire and they had smith blowing the top open. Zeke is on pace for 1000 in 7 games he didn't hit that until game 10 maybe last year.
Teams are stacking the box to stop the run which also leads to defenders underneath so not much space to get it to them from what it seems. If OSU had a deep threat like Devin they would have to respect the deep ball. IMO that is what is lacking until someone emerges
Quick question, how many of those TD passes were the little tap pass to the H back? He had at least 10 last year