See.... the Browns do sign OSU players.... They just don't always finish at OSU. Baby steps
Nice to see Hue have the same feeling most of us did about passing on Hooker. In the end with a weak QB class the extra pick may give the Browns an edge to trade up for the franchise QB if Kizer's development is not moving along fast enough. If Williams believes he can turn Peppers into very good NFL safety the gamble is worth it.
Says the guy that literally said the Browns did nothing to improve their team. That's the definition of talking out your ass along with the majority y of you follow up posts. If you think I'm trolling then so be it. I am only calling you out for the dumb ass comments that you're trying desperately to pass off as fact. You've really just shown how ignorant you are with the TP and Mack comments. I'm all for opinions, but what you said was pretty much ridiculous made up statements. Don't get butt hurt because I actually know what the hell is going on. Have fun keyboard warrior
Exactly, every team paid Big to reach for a developmental QB this year. The price the Browns paid was a 2nd rd pick. I can live with that for a guy who probably would not be there at Rd 3
They had Njoku projected to go to the steelers in rd 1. I believe they gave up a 4th rounder for him. If anything they probably should have gone Njoku at 25 and kept 33. As always during the draft word gets out that another team wants someone you had targeted and you reach a bit. I'd call it a wash. Keeping Barnidge would have been fine, I'm not going to damn them for releasing him if their goal is to get him as many reps so that when the team is that 1 player away or so he's fully developed
Dak is a lot better because he has the best OL and had Elliott to carry the load. He is good in that he wasn't asked to do too much. I love Cardale, but good lord your homerism is beyond belief. He didn't even come close to being as good as Kessler was last season and Kessler was thrown into the starting job. Buffalo also drafted a QB in Peterman that could challenge Cardale. I'm not calling Kizer a great QB, but he's definitely closer to starting than Cardale is with the same physical abilities. The Browns already got a safety and picked up a CB in the 4th and are actually fine at LB. let me guess because they played at ND or Michigan it's a bad pick. Every draft analyst said Kizer at 52 was a great pick. Do you work for ESPN or NFL network? Or is your analysis primarily rooted in being semi drunk on your couch watching CFB?
Even if you believed he's 4th or 5th rd, taking him at 6th is still getting great value if he is not guilty
The Browns have Seth Devalve at TE as well, he looked pretty good in limited action. What exactly is Barnidge going to develop him into if they have routes developed that he can't even get open in. Trust me I don't hate the guy, but keeping a player because you like him doesn't improve the position when you're building a team. Btw FWIW Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB, Barnidge having 1 really good season doesn't make him the best at the position. I remember when everyone bitched and moaned when Cameron walked, he never came close to having the same production when he left. If you're going to rely on a TE so much I'd rather roll the dice on a guy that can stretch the field and hit a home run.
You've already stated that you're not a Browns fan, so I'm chalking this up to the standard I know more than the front office posts. The Browns did not walk into the draft without secondary players, they have Kindred and Powell at safety, Jamar Taylor at CB who had a good year. The only liability is Haden and as you said in a deep CB draft picked Wilson Rd 4. Once again the Browns had the worst run D and pass rush in the league. They addressed that with Garrett and the 3rd round DT and maybe Brantley. Even if you think Peppers is incapable of learning coverages which is ridiculous. He still strong against the run. Forcing QBs in 3rd and long and actually have a pass rush will greatly benefit what you believe is a bad secondary.
I support developing a 20 year old who has more upside than a 32 year old who's lost a step. As you are making this case for a pro bowl TE keep in mind he didn't make the team better than 1-15. Are you secretly Gary Barnidge? You
Are you really trying to suggest that Jones is less than a project than Kizer? I'm trying to understand why you believe Dak would have been a great pick for the Browns last year. Don't get me wrong, I think Dak is fantastic but throw him on the Browns and you're commenting how we wasted a pick on Dak because we had no OL.
The biggest problem with their pass D was the fact the opposing QB had all day to throw. You can have Joe Haden in his prime and he's not going to cover anyone if the QB has all day. You can however help your secondary by forcing the QB to make mistakes which requires pressure.
I like Barnidge, but he was never good in his 7 seasons prior to the Browns. His best season was due to being the safety valve more than a great TE. He's going on 32 and you can already tell he's lost a step last season and was not as impactful. The NFL is a business, holding on to a player that is not going to get better with age is not going improve the team. Njoku adds a mismatch with speed and size that Barnidge cannot provide.
Here's an UV to counter the DV, I think you're nit picking at the statement... but overall the FO made a pick that if works out was a steal. I wouldn't call that inept exactly
I would assume you're negative votes are because other Browns fans who actually pay attention to the team, know how ridiculous your intial comments are. If you're going to make stupid comments, expect to be called out for it to explain your position. I do agree to not spend money on a bad product, but to say this new front office has not done anything this year to improve is flat out wrong. I don't love everything they do, but I'm not going to shut down because they traded back and lost out on Hooker. I can objectively say they did fill needs on DL and QB and let the draft come to them. If you can't see that, you should find another team because you never really invested like the OP.
I've already assumed you have no clue what you're talking about as a Browns, hopefully you have more of a clue as an OSU fan since this is an OSU site and all.
The Browns said that it was about getting 2nd rd talent in the 6th when they released a press statement. Of course they are going to say they are not sure what to do because the investigation is still going. And are you really trying to say someone accused of rape is not the same situation because charges are yet to be filed? Both are incredibly bad and Conley goes to speak with the police on Monday. I truly hope it's not true but we will see what happens. As for having charges filed on Brantley, I believe Carlos Hyde had charges filed as well. A lot of reports are coming out that he only pushed her away after the woman was attacking him and that's based on the bouncer making the statement. I don't know what's true and will wait to find out and have no problem dropping his ass if he's guilty.
But if they took Lewis at 25, they would have over reached at 25 and wouldn't have gotten a safety. As I've said many times you could have the best players in the secondary, but if you can't sack or pressure the QB it doesn't matter who's back there. A disruptive DL can make a secondary look great, and the Browns made strides to make that happen. At the end of the day the value of the player is based on the coaches taking them, and if Williams can do what he's done before in STL and NO, he'll maximize his ability and set him up for success which can make this a great pick. The extra pick adds draft capital that's why it's valuable. If the Browns go 5-11 and competitive in every game they're on the right path to turning the corner. They can bundle it for the best player in the draft next season. The problem is the rebuild forced them to value picks. They literally picked up 6 starters in this draft with a QB and a CB who can contribute.
Just calling out the people that make questionable comments. If you really think this was a bad draft you're letting your emotions as an OSU fan get in the way. And get real half the crap you said is not remotely accurate. Mack was never coming back everyone except yourself knows that, and TP is not worth 56 million as evident by not getting a better offer. You can't pay a guy who had 4 games with less than 20yds receiving, 6 total under 40yds that type of money. As for Dawson he was let go several years before this front office so that's not on them as you're trying to pin it on.
Bernie recovering doesn't change the fact that he's done the damage to himself in that regard... didn't he just make fun of someone with ALS? I mean seriously wtf are you talking about? You're so random and all over the place. You're the guy that just said they did nothing to improve the team in which was flat out wrong. Don't get mad because I pointed out your stupid comment and you're continuing with them. I don't love everything they do, but I most certainly can be objective and see they are trying to improve the team.... you should try it sometime
Imagine if we were #2, we could have fleeced the Bears to move to #3
Im going on a limb to say you have some extreme bias as evident by the Leaf and 4th rd comments lol. I don't love the pick for what we could have had at 12, but he was right at around 25. At the end of the day I'll take the word of analysts who pour over hours of film and a former player whose seen Williams get the most out of players. Have a good one
I think the problem is that some fans treat this team as if it never left. We're an expansion team that was horribly mismanaged for the last 15 or so years. They never laid a base foundation to go into the draft and actually select the best available player. These last two drafts have been all about getting picks and filling needs.
If Kizer is able to put in the work and improve, he could be a steal. Brian Kelly is a hack coach who throws his players under the bus. If Jackson is the QB whisperer, it could be enough to get everything out of Kizer.
Who cares how far under the cap they were last year? They were gutting the team and trying to evaluate the talent on the roster. They fixed OL issues in F/A and DL in the draft. Something they should have done in 99 when the came back when building the team. They didn't let TP walk, he passed on a very good offer. He's not worth 56million. Crowell is with the team through 2017, so complaining now makes no sense. I love Bernie, but please do not act like he has not caused some of his own issues. Mack wanted out and was never resigning and seriously you're upset about Dawson? Right now you're just complaining to complain. I don't believe the front office does everything right, but if you really think they didn't make a legitimate effort to improve the team in the off season then I don't know where you've been since January 1st
Most analysts had him late 1st Rd, and that's where he went. As for Lewis he's a CB, Peppers is going to be a FS not the same coverage responsibilities. Basically he split his time as a LB/ Safety.... that may be more indicative of who they had at LB rather than a knock on his coverage skills. How many players do we have switch positions and excel? He's an athlete that forced to play one position will probably excel and be that 1st rd pick. It took Hooker 3 seasons to crack the lineup, but he spent all three seasons learning 1 position. I fully expect Peppers to get that development in the NFL to be worthy of the pick. Lauranitis praised the pick because he knows Gregg Williams will turn him into a dynamic player. I'll take a former player who has worked with Williams as a good enough endorsement.