As in the star that kept punching and kicking opponents in the nuts. Sorry but green is a douche, that's not saying he is not a good player beyond that. But if you do stupid things, you win stupid prizes. And the same argument is said for the Cavs who lost Irving and love last season
Oakland is pretty much a train wreck of an organization as well. He was a good coordinator there aand went 8-8 in his only season as HC. Not sure if one season in Oakland is enough of a sample size to say he's not a great coach since they have not had a winning season since he left. If the Browns win over 4 games I'll be pleasantly surprised considering the rebuild that is going on. I'd say he's a great coordinator that was fairly successful as a HC with the only season he had and the roster he was working with.
I think you're confused, most Cavs fans said the officiating was terrible from start to finish...i.e. phantom calls on CLE or no calls on GS for setting illegal screens and curry constantly wrapping his arms around whoever had the ball. GS thinks its rigged because they can't believe a team could come back from 3-1.... Not really hard, Cavs attacked the rim and got GS to commit fouls and Cleveland took away their inside game.
Went both ways? I can think of about 3-4 illegal screens that didn't get called that led to 3's add in how many times they grabbed a Cav on both ends of the court. You're right about the iso plays but again they were grabbing and hacking the whole second half. Calls going both ways my ass. And it's not just missing foul calls, it's just generally missing plays I've never seen so many mistakes on who knocked the ball out
Technically if they made every call perfectly it would negate many of GS' 3 point attempts. Have you witnessed how many moving screens or push offs they've allowed. That's not to say you're wrong about scheme. However, if the refs are going to let them get away with it offensively there is very little to do especially when the Cavs are getting hacked underneath
He disappears because he tries to pass too much to get other players involved. But as the announcers said last night, letting players play is one thing, the refs are not calling fouls which is killing the Cavs. I've never seen so many hacks and moving screens not get called. If they're not going to penalize GS for it the Cavs have zero chance.
Because with 1 second round pick, their need was a pass rusher not another WR. It is quite possible that any one of the 3 WRs selected later could be just as productive as Thomas and you didn't give up pick to get him. I get it, the draft is a bust because the Browns didn't select OSU players. Based on the route they took no one from OSU fit the need at that given spot. Some times you have to take the scarlet glasses off and realize your favorite players may not fit with the scheme your NFL team is running. All of the LBs selected played in a 3-4, OSU does not run a 3-4. The late WRs add depth and different ability. If you're rebuilding its a lot easier to draft players familiar with the scheme. Gholston is a prime example of a 4-3 DE who couldn't succeed in a 3-4.
Not at every point are these 19 players the best prospect available at the given moment. It's easy to say that they could have drafted 1 or 2, but if at that moment that's not what you're looking for then it's easy to pass them. The player I wanted was Bell, but everyone else was passed up for higher rated players or already gone.
I'm under the belief tha Kessler was valued for his accuracy and decision making over Cook and Jones all three are projects and several years away from starting. I fully believe with two first round picks next year if the franchise QB is there they'll make a move. Kessler is the future back up when RG3 and McCown leave in two years
The main reason for optimism is that Hue Jackson was a coach that every team wanted and the word is he gets the most out of his players. For once I finally believe that the Browns picked up a coach that they wanted and other teams wanted instead being stuck with the 4th or 5th option at HC. I don't believe Jackson takes this job if he wasn't given some assurance that he is given time to do his job. He had pretty much every job open to him. I get the pessimism, but I don't believe he has a short lease and he seems more competent than any coach that has been hired.
As I said, of the talented Buckeyes taken between 2-3. None of them fit the need. Thomas and Miller were not needed when CC was selected. They didn't need DTs, they needed DEs and LBs so Washington is out of the picture. They didn't need Vannet because they have Barnidge and Bibb. So out of all the possible OSU picks only Bell would have made sense to trade up for. And trust me I wanted Bell, and I would love them to choose Buckeyes but if they don't fit the Browns immediate need then you're wasting picks. My guess was they picked up people who can hopefully pressure the QB and that in of itself improves the pass D. Other than Bell who are you wanting them to move up and down the draft boards to get? The Browns have so many holes to fill, every pick is valuable. I just don't want to select players because they are from OSU
The front office is new, and the Coach actually has experience at being a HC prior and has orchestrated an efficient offense in Cincy. I feel confident in this staff more than what was previously running the team. It makes me feel better that other teams wanted Jackson as a HC, where as before we were stuck with our last choice in a HC. The need was to acquire talented WRs and they did that, improve the run D picked up some good LBs and DEs. Fill the need at OL and drafted two good OTs to battle for the vacant RT spot. Based on need they drafted what they needed. I am not going to believe that everyone will pan out perfectly but if 7-9 of those players do pan out then you've improved those positions by stocking up on those spots and added depth.
Higgins and Payton's strengths are catching and blocking. Coleman has drops, but his value is high because of speed and what he can do with the ball. The project is Louis but he's got big upside.
At #2 the only legitimate picks they could make were Elliott or Bosa. The rest would be reaches from that pick. I would like both at 2, but I know Zeke would have no line to open holes, and for Bosa the risk is what if he doesn't adjust well to the 3-4. Ultimately trading out of 2 was the best option based on draft picks received. From the 8th pick I don't see a Buckeye worth that, so they traded out for more picks. At 15 They went WR, which was better than what OSU had to offer. Moving on to DE, Bosa was gone, schobert was the better fit than perry based on analysis. Now it comes down to, do you want them to draft players that they believe fit their system or do you want them to draft Buckeyes?
Take a look at the players left that didn't get drafted. I could make a case that they are better than what other teams drafted in comparison. I look at mock drafts too and felt other players would be better i.e. Cash from Duke.... He didn't get drafted. At the end mocks are great and all but when coaches like a player they do way more analysis on the players they like than what the experts do in mock drafts. Trent Richardson was a can't miss RB, but all the experts were wrong. I'm not knocking Perry, but Schobert comes from a 3-4 on a very good Wisconsin defense. You have to draft people that fit your system, as for the TCU kid he is not afraid to come up to stop the run and is tough. The ULM I am not really sold on, too short for my liking, the only thing I see of value is that he's very fast perhaps he has the athleticism to be worth it. Bottom line Browns were focusing on Run stoppers and players that can pressure the QB. The knock on Perry is he is not great in coverage
The Browns went 2 seasons without drafting a solid WR, and now you're complaining that they drafted too many. You do realize that clevelands WRs were the worst in the league right? Considering Jackson has been apart of Cincy teams that drafted players like Jones, Eifert, and Sanu to compliment Green. I am going to go out on a limb and say he is a better judge of talent than you are. All of the WRs have different traits that make them valuable and they are not under 5'10
IMO, elite talent is the players that work for it. Coleman has the speed and athleticism to be elite. The OT Coleman, was the only other tackle besides tunsil to not allow a hit on the QB in 2015 and has a good attitude. Schobert, Scooby and Nassib are all guys that work hard and are around the ball. The rest had upside with development and that's the coaches job. Bottom line Browns filled needs on OL, WR, LB, DL and QB. Kessler baffled me, but in the end we all know the future franchise QB is a year away. So my thought is they picked the QB that does not make mistakes and is accurate. If Jones and Cook are to be starters they are a few years away from that.
They won't be on the team based on what? Or are you one of those salty fans that if they don't pick the players you want it's a bad draft.
Schobert is rated higher than Perry and fits the 3-4, the TCU player is a big hitter and played with a broken collar bone to start the season. The Browns were going with tough, smart guys... If you look at the pics they were all guys that were either leaders or have a blue collar attitude and people said hue Jackson has a knack at getting guys to play hard for him. He definitely picked guys that fit the mold. IMO they picked a core of players to fit that mold, that's where in a year or two you get the flashy player because you have the right guys to put them in line.
Honestly, which buckeye was better than what they got based on need?Coleman is better than Thomas, Schobert was better than Perry and the rest were not available for them
So basically you rated people based on zero knowledge on them. The safety is a big hitter and Schobert was an all American.
You're asking two different things. The draft is about getting as much talent possible and the Browns did so. You seem to fall into the belief that the Browns are a player away from being a contender, try they are about 10 players away and hope they hit on 6 of the 14 of being good starters
The point of the draft is to stock pile talent and pick for need. Based on that they did both, and on numbers alone if 7-9 are solid starters with fringe pro bowlers mixed in its a great draft. They definitely picked up blue collar players not prima donnas. I believe they got guys that will work hard
After much thought about Kessler, it was a really good draft. People believed they reached. IMO, they didn't give away picks for him, accurate passer and makes good decisions. The argument is who will be a better back up QB because let's face it, guys like Cook, Jones and Kessler are 2-3 yrs away if they improve enough to start. I fully believe the Browns went with the guy that was the best game manager of the 3 and their future QB is in next years draft. McCown and RG3 are gone after 2 years or less
Wisconsin was #2 in total defense last year and I think they ran a 3-4. I'd say it's a solid pick considering he knows how to play in a 3-4 already