I lean to your thinking. I just think its kid making a few stupid decisions in college and getting caught for them. I personally grew up with addiction being a huge aspect in my life, and my friends/families lives. I rarely have seen someone truly addicted to exxctasy. I know it happens but seems more of poor decision making then flat out addiction.
At first its a choice, but i believe its almost predetermined in a person genetical makeup. Once the substance enters and addiction takes it over, its most definitely a disease. This is coming that has struggled with addiction through ought his life.
Take off the buckeye glasses, the mighty golden flashes ranked 105 for ppg against. Receivers were running uncontested all day. Have you seen him throw the ball into tight spots to make completions? I haven't seen nearly enough. The 2 times he faced pressure he struggled. Peyton manning had such a quick release he hardly faces pressure, super bow aside. My criticism of JT is fair. I guess only playing high school football and being a hard core football fan who actually re watches each game isn't enough to share my opinion on Jt. I don't believe Tom Herman played much football, guess he shouldn't be coaching up JT. When I evaluate a player, I like to include all games to see his progression. 6 tds against kent stet is a great game, but it doesn't make him beyond criticism.
Peyton manning gets rid of the ball ridiculously quick, its very rarely a pass rush even comes into play against him. Obviously Super Bowl is a different story.
He is very accurate arguably the most important attribute of a QB. I truly hope you are right, but I am not convinced yet. I am convinced Cardale Jones would have put up 6 tis against Kent state though. We will find out come Michigan state...i need to see him stand tall in the pocket and make throws.
I watched that game again...and some of those sacks were on him. There was no hot routes, he didn't get rid of the ball. When under pressure, young QB try to rely on their athletic ability which has treated them well throughout youth and high school football. I don't rely on stats usually when making my opinion/judgment on QBs. Its more of an instinct eye test thing for me, and I just haven't seen it yet. But 9/29 (31% completion percentage), 3 interceptions, and a 266 QBR are not what most people want to see. Like I said above, I understand the offensive line and play cling was awful, but that doesn't absolve JT from a bad performance. An offense needs to work together, and JT as the leader is responsibility, for how smoothly it runs. I would argue it was his fault that he was not on the same page as the WR. Braxton was out since the bowl game, so he had reps. there were definitely opportunities for receivers to step up (Corey Smith), but how many under throws on that first scoring possession alone.
i think I a in the minority about JT, I am not close to being sold on him. Gutsy performances don't always equal greatness or even wins at the QB position. I said this in an earlier post there is no doubt he will put up big numbers against less talented defense. That has been the MO under the herman lead buckeyes. My question is how will he perform against the likes of VT type defenses (understand this won't happen often looking at their B1G schedule). When there is more athleticism/talent on the field throwing lanes and windows are smaller and they close a lot quicker. Offensive line play and Herman play calling aside, there were glaring weaknesses in his game against VT. The most concerning is his habit to lock down on his number 1 read, or drop his eyes from downfall when pressure is in his face. It almost like he freezes for a second and is unable to get rid of the ball. This is the problem with many young QBs, including Braxton to this day. Unfortunately JT doesn't have Millers gifted ability to make plays with his feet, so when he his eyes drop it usually leads to a sack. That will likely get better with more reps and game experience. My other concern is his lack of arm strength, practice will not help this. He has a below average arm strength, which ties options out of an already small playbook. This can also lead to turnovers from cornerbacks jumping routes (not worrying about the deep ball), and being able to recover because a floating ball. I have seen many quarterbacks be very successful with average arm strength. JT just needs to grow into an instinctive, quick/decisive, decision maker. Excellent timing with his receivers will be necessary so he can get rid of the ball early to make up for arm strength. Throw receivers open in man coverage! He is very young and could be a Buckeye great. It is just not a guarantee. I love CFB for the reason you don't need to be a superior athlete to be great. Only time will tell, but i am still not convinced he is the quarterback of the future.
Arm strength...there has been a handful of plays when it has come into play. He throws a spiral but not with a lot of zip. Like I said there are ways to be great with an average arm, i am sure he works hard on it. But there is no doubt he doesn't have a great arm.
he is not a snail but is pretty slow, he will be a great running back because of he instincts. He is a run stuffer, throwback player. Some people have him clocked at the 4.8 range.
That is the correct answer in my eyes good sir.
I agree, but I feel like we been saying that a lot lately. "next year is the year"
I was the one who made the the topic that Zeke is clearly the best back. Samuel is a gifted gifted runner, and I et excited every time he touches the rock, but I just don't think he was the best COMPLETE back. Without a doubt the both should tote the rock. I actually think Elliot has similar explosion, his speed s underrated (has the ability to take it to the house any time he touches it), but he also is a great blocker. he is not Carlos Hyde but he gives the buckeyes the ability to get the tough yardage in crunch time. Check out the link below it is a very good profile on ZEKE from after the Kent State game. That is the last I will talk about ZEKE, I don't want to turn into CCroverll and his love affair with Rod.
Your a joke man. Rod smith is at best the third tastes running back on the team. Not to mention his 2 td last game, I could have scored. he walked into the end zone both times. I don't know if your troll or just crazy. Unfortunately you are making me dislike Rod Smith. Nothing against Rod i was really pulling for him, but your short stores on him, are causing me to secretly root against him. You need to stop so i can back to cheering for the man.
JT doesn't have NFL measurables. It will be hard to get drafted 6 ft 1 with a below average arm. I just haven't seen JT make NFL level throws or fit a ball into tight spaces. He hits wide open receivers, that is why he is good in the spread. The NFL game speed is ten times faster then the VT game. Spaces to throw the ball become tiny and there gone in milli seconds. Jt can make all the throws, and will never develop his arm to throw the deep out. He is so early in his development, and is getting his first live game reps in years. I haven't seen enough from him, to be guaranteed a starting job down the line as the Buckeye QB.
Although I made reference to his stats earlier, I am not one to judge a quarterbacks performance off stats. I just a lot of the pressure and sacks were also on JT, inability to get rid of the football. He struggles to throw people open, and against a blitzing team playing man you need to get rid of the ball early. Further down in the comments I described m concerns in more detail. I have watch that V tech game more than once, and the speed of the game was way over his head. I just don't know how people can be sold on him when he hasn't proved it yet against power 5 competition.
Until we beat a top 15 OOC team we will no have respect nor should we really deserve it. I love my Bucks, but we need a statement win.
JT doesn't have the arm to overthrow the deep ball.
Jt had a solid performance for his first star against NAVY, a awful performance against VT, and a great performance against Kent State!!!!!
Lets not jump to conclusions, there is no doubt in my mind Cardale would put up similar numbers against Kent State.
WOWWW way to early against for this. Go watch the VT film. Yahh the play calling was bad and the offensive line worst. But JT was awful and he was to blame just as much as others.
Im still not sold on JT yet...there is no doubt he will put up great numbers against less talented defenses. That has been the M O of Buckeyes offenses under Herman. There is just a huge gap in talent from Ohio State to most of the teams on their schedule. Jt will pump the stats against these teams. Offensive line and Hermans play calling a side, there are glaring weaknesses still in his game. He locks down on his first read, and drops his eyes off downfield when pressure is in his face. Its almost like he freezes for a second and is unable to get rid of the ball. Braxton had the same problem but he had the athleticism to get out of trouble and make plays with his legs. My biggest concern is his lack of arm strengths. There were some frightening under throws the first few games. This takes options out of an already small playbook. It also makes it easy for the defenses to jump routes with a floating ball. I have seen many quarterbacks be extremely successful with lacking arm strength. If he can grow into a smart instinctive QB, make quick/decisive decisions but not predetermine reads, and learn to throw receivers open by getting rid of the football early he could be great. He's young and I am not convinced yet. He just hasn't proved it against a solid team, and really struggled against a beatable VT team.
I agree with basically everything you say. But I'm obviously using a tiny sample size to make an opinion. The truth is how do we now, the rb are not getting enough touches to put that type of fear into a defensive.
All I am saying is don't look at the final box score in a kent state game. I hope Curtis Samuel went over a 100 yards against that defense with 15 carries. I do think he should see serious time, but Elliot should get the majority of touches. When I watched the game I was looking at zeke style of play and the little plays he made I think he deserves to be the feature back. His box score was no joke with either, 117 yards on 11 touches. I didn't mean to sound arrogant it's just the way I type and try to get my point across. I will be here all year to back up those words if I'm wrong. Lets go bucks!
He wasn't used in the second hold because he's clearly the one. It's one game but zeke outplayed Samuel even with his15 carries.. Zeke had a higher average and over 100 yards of total yards from scrimmage.