They are good players but not yet the type of game wreckers that Bosa was, especially on early downs in the run game. Counting stats don't tell the story.
I get the talking part but not seeing the smack.
Calling guys not first rounders doesn't mean they aren't awesome college players. And the rest is giving good insight into how teams schemed against OSU last year. May have put too much emphasis on the personnel over the weaknesses of the scheme in coverage but that is difference in opinion. And I do think OSU fans underrated Bosa's impact on the game. Teams designed their game plan completely around him. He basically took away half the field in the run game.
You do know that there are only a handful of potential all stars going into the NBA every year, right? Developing guys into all-conference, all-american and wooden winners is the goal, not magically making guys into NBA prospects where they might not have the natural gifts.
He developed lots of players. Guys like Dials, Turner, Diebler, Lighty, Ron Lewis, Jamar Butler, Lauderdale all developed a ton. A dude named David West you may have heard of developed under Matta. You don't have 2 national players of the year who both weren't 5 star can't miss guys and not develop players. The trend has been bad in recent seasons I'm prepared to admit now though.
I have vehemently defended Matta over the years on here but I think this trend has to be a huge concern. The team isn't really projecting to be anything more than a bubble tournament team in the next couple years and talent is leaving rather than joining. With what he built here I don't think he can be easily fired and replaced so I don't know what you do. Sibert/Weatherspoon transferred because of PT behind a class of guys that ended up playing worse as seniors than they did as sophomores. Now we have 2 guys transferring during/after a true freshman season with a wide open depth chart. There must be more to this story.
Murray didn't "get" the read game and the subtlety with the mesh point. Hyde has played in a similar offense.
I'm not too sure about that. Kiper probably makes more money than most scouts for instance. But that doesn't mean he would be a good scout.
I think everyone in this thread is aware the draft is more than 1 round. Also there are several guys coming out of OSU that are in that 1-2 range where they could go late 1st through early 3rd round. Decker and Bosa are probably round 1 locks and the others could fluctuate depending on the process and team needs/trades. The real answer is somewhere between 2-7 Buckeyes will be first rounders. Apple, Zeke, Thomas, Lee, Bell could be first rounders but not very likely that all of them will. But I'd be very surprised if any of those guys fell outside the top 100 or so picks.
But his refusal to speak to Brandon Castel spoke volumes...
You should realize that some of the best poker players in the world are really good backgammon players. My point being that because this guy is good at solving one system of constraints doesn't mean he would not be able to solve any other problem. But Haslam has failed in practically every other decision so far.
"Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes" "How about if we get past midfield?"
Seems way more likely he coaches at least 2 years at Houston. It is pretty slimy to bolt after 1 year. It also seems likely that he will have 1 more stop before jumping to a top 10 resource-wise program like USC (or Texas).
Washington is versatile enough to play 1-tech for stretches. But I think Bosa at DT works way better on 3rd down. Bosa sets the edge in the run game better than Hubbard as well.
Burrows is also hurt.
QB run = fluidity basically. Cardale's runs against VT sustained drives.
Gotta wonder what this offense looks like with Noah Brown healthy. Need to get away from the zone beater short passing game and horizontal runs and start attacking seams and force feeding Michael Thomas who is always getting open.
Or Samuel moving to backup RB AND backup H.
After the Virginia Tech game Urban said Cardale was clearly ahead early in camp and JT only "narrowed the gap" but never was ahead. Logic is hard but if A is not greater than B then equivalently, B is greater than or equal to A. There is the underrated element of Cardale having the entire spring of first team reps. If they were even prior to Spring, it shouldn't be surprising that having an entire Spring like that would give Jones a head start.
As we have seen in the first 2 games when Braxton is in there, teams have learned to just blitz the mesh point relentlessly (slot corner blitzes, etc) and force you to throw the ball to the perimeter or adapt your play-calling. That is why he's had some negative plays. Of course Braxton can make 2 guys miss in the backfield and go the distance at times.
Gone are the days where you can just read a guy and get a numbers advantage automatically. Defenses are making it tougher and riskier on the offense.
Other spread teams are adapting by doing more run/pass packaged plays and we are adapting by attacking in the run game differently and mixing in the jet sweep pop pass.
It's the opposite of vanilla. When we just pounded the same read-option play 20-30 times per game that was more vanilla. Now we run a more varied running game.
It's an evolving set of chess matches and Urban (along with Chip and several others and the defensive gurus) is one of the grandmasters playing a role in the overall strategy themes across football. I have to wonder if Chip going to the NFL and the advent of read-option success in the NFL a few years ago has led to more advanced strategy responses as the NFL defensive hive-mind tried to 'solve' the problem.
Scroll down halfway for Ross's breakdown of how we were able to grind the Duck defense to dust without using inside zone-read plays.
We didn't use the basic inside zone-read play in the playoff last year. Do you dislike those results?