In todays game, forcing a fg is almost as valuable as forcing a punt.
So you think the evaluation of a defense (or a QB for that matter) should start once the team crosses the 40? Interesting. Now that I think about it, once a team gets inside the 40, I'm thinking "ok, we should get points here", that's how wide open offenses are now.
The run defense is what worries me the most. And lets be real, OSU is lucky that Bama's playcalling got wonky and they didn't keep feeding Derrick Henry. They were running on the Bucks early on but got away from it.
Am I the only person grimacing at that evaluation of Wallace? They said similar things about Gibson at the Elite 11 camp and those are hard habits to break. I hope they find or mold a JT in this new bunch coming in.
I hope they get at least 2 of those top 3 guys. For years I've wanted tOSU to get one of these Cooper/Bryant type WR. Lesser programs get them, OSU should too
I've been low on Cook since the Oregon game.
Breaks Drew Brees' TD record with a bowl game to spare. Braxton never had a 300 yard passing game and we're debating whether he's better than JT, while coming off a second shoulder injury?
Yes, losing the Big 10 title game and the Orange Bowl counts more than winning against Purdue or Illinois or the worst Michigan teams in recent memory during the conf schedule.
The defense gave up 35 and 40 points in those games because the offense couldn't convert third down and keep the ball (on top of the 4 second half turnovers in the Orange Bowl). Not saying the defense is completely unaccountable but we've seen good defenses give up scores after the offense turns the ball over (momentum changes, the defense is tired, etc).
And this whole "they would have played Notre Dame in the title game" stuff? You're making a big leap there. They were undefeated but didn't play in a conf title game, so no guarantees they win that game.
I'm not saying I don't appreciate those 24 wins at all. I do, to an extent. But when looking at the situations that matter the most, in the games that matter the most, he leaves something to be desired.
Braxton is a career 47.8% completion on third down. That is textbook average to below average quarterbacking.
^^^This. Somehow, the offenses struggles let the defense off the hook during that game. I was really disappointed in how they couldn't really lay the wood on Brewer. A second pass rusher has to emerge this fall if Bucks are gonna flirt with repeating.
Braxton completed 64% as a third year starter and was only 50% on third down, the down that matters most. JT on third down? 65%. The games that mattered when Braxton played? MSU and Clemson? Bucks only converted 3 of 23 third downs. That is how he limits your team against the best competition.
Tbh I really don't understand why people can't see the deficiencies in his game.
I guess. I still find his limitations as a passer to be the major issue with tOSU in big games. I don't think he would have fared much better than JT last year (against Va Tech that is).
There's a part of me that thinks JT might be the starter (once fully cleared) simply because he saw these guys last yr and Cardale didn't. Of the 3 QBs, JT is the one who will know this film front and back.
Can't believe we didn't get:
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#3 is the one people probably don't want to hear the most. People act like Saban, Les Miles, Jimbo Fisher, and yes, Brian Kelly forgot how to send players to the NFL and that those schools suddenly don't have 40 million dollar facilities, etc etc....
There are so many factors that go into a player choosing a school: "it felt like home", proximity to family/friends, scheme fit, stability of coaching staff, boosters/agents (yea, I said it, you can moan about it but whatever), NFL draft history (of the school and the coaches), and many more. Some players just know that as soon as they get an offer, that's where they're going, period, end of story. LSU makes a killing on Louisiana lifers. Same with tOSU.
If a guy doesn't want to come to tOSU, I wish him luck, except when he's playing tOSU or playing in a game that will prevent tOSU from moving up lolll
You beat me to it. I can't pick any dark horses who dont have a QB worth a dang. Clemson's defense isn't expected to be formidable but we could all be wrong and if that's the case, they're gonna blow out a lot of teams.
LOL @ Bert
Players still get drafted from ND, just like tOSU. If you grew up in Catholic culture, when to Catholic school, it's tough to turn down that life style at the college level. Being comfortable is nearly as important as the head coach/facilities/depth chart.
Right coach/recruiter makes any program viable. Ron Zook couldn't coach a lick but he could bring players to Illinois ffs. Seems to be the case for Butch Jones. He's done better recruiting the best players in Tennessee (Hurd is probably his biggest fish) and now maybe he can pluck some guys from farther away.
Yea, I have to roll my eyes just a tad at all this "I don't want a guy whose worried about competition". When I look at a good number of QBs in the NFL, they went to schools where they could start or ended up transferring to where they could start. And don't think they didn't have favorite schools and coaches. But in the end, you have to have a path to the starting job. Beating one guy is reasonable. But 2? 3? Eh, pass. I see no shame in that.
Yea, his body type and running style is similar to TP, who looked like a grown ass man coming out of HS. What worries me more is I don't see the same type of quick decision making that Barrett showed in his highlight reel and I don't see the rocket arm that Cardale showed in his.
In fact, it seems like his highlight tape is MORE running than passing and while that's good enough to win the Big 10, I don't know it's that good enough to win natty's 3 years from now. But I'm also not Urban Meyer or Tim Beck so......I'll leave it to the experts....
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What happened to him? I haven't heard anything about him since he enrolled.
@Gametime, thank you so much for making this about cold hard facts. In all the situations that matter the most, JT is better. Bottom line is, with JT, tOSU ran plays in Meyer's system that they could not run with Miller. Anytime you have to put away pages in your playcard, your QB is holding you back.
I expect Cardale to start the season simply because he's healthy going into spring ball. But I'm sorry, when all three QBs are healthy, JT is the best of the three. He is mobile enough and most accurate with the ball (on top of being the best decision maker). I'm so tired of hearing how Cardale changed everything about tOSU's offense, as if there was no deep ball with JT. I seem to remember Devin Smith catching plenty of long TDs from JT.
Not saying I don't want Cardale to be successful, I do. But only because I don't think Miller or JT are capable of giving him a real run for the starting job. Don't be surprised if Cardale's leash is very short during this season.
Trojans have 7 QBs on their roster. Oregon will probably have 6 guys there when the transfers and recruits settle in. Honestly, 4 isn't enough. You want QBs developing through competition, both on the field/practice and in the film room.
I want the guy who stays and says "I'm going to rise above all of these highly touted dudes and be the man."