No, it OCCURS in football but it's not PART of football. Controlled aggression and intimidation, that's football. Eye gouging? We're not just talking about threatening a guys career but threatening someone's standard of living. It has no place in the game.
Sadly, these "non-football plays" are more common than we realize. Robert Reynolds choking Sorgi? That MSU player twisting Denard Robinson's head in a pileup a few years back? Brandon Spikes eye gouged a guy when he was at Florida. Not that it's ok (if a ref sees it, they should be penalized immediately). But this eye gouge/choking stuff happens. It seems they haven't given stiff enough penalties to prevent players from acting out in such a way.
The thing is, sometimes Miller has to use his legs because he doesn't see open receivers or he escapes from clean pockets.
Yea, sometimes the playcalling is lame but the offense is way more efficient when the QB knows where his receivers are going to be and where the defense is.
Yea, I was just thinking, that the reason this year's class has been--in some people's eyes--not up to snuff is because since JT, tOSU hasn't gotten a blue chip QB. Maybe Burrow doesn't move the needle for recruits.
I know you think it's crazy that people aren't trusting Urban's eye but tOSU hasn't won a BCS game since the 2011 Sugar Bowl. Some of these Buck fans are just antsy....
Do you worry at all about the QB position (for the future I mean)?
Thing is, Notre Dame gets NFL caliber receivers and tight ends every year also. And they're in the same region of tOSU. ND defensively doesn't kill in recruiting but they do get themselves weapons.
Just saying....there's something about tOSU that big time receivers aren't interested in. It's not just "the big 10 sucks, so I don't want to go there".
In Ole Miss' case, I believe it. And I didn't realize, they're actually under investigation right now lolll....
I hear you....but at some point, don't you just have to do it....at some point, they need to just GET one of these guys.
Like, how does Ole Miss take Laquan Treadwell from Illinois? And why couldn't the best program in the midwest get him? That's even more worrisome, when middling/bottom-feeder schools can take the best out of midwest.
I hope he shows he's a gamebreaker. At some point, star receivers take over a game. I haven't seen that in years from tOSU....
I don't know why people refuse to acknowledge that there was a tinge of mediocrity in some of Tressel's classes. Now they weren't outside the top 25 but there was always something left to be desired.....
I think the OP is probably wondering: Where's our Julio Jones? Where's our Dez Bryant or Amari Cooper or AJ Green? Where is that can't miss, 6 foot 3, 210 pound receiver who clearly is a pro and changes defenses? Even schools that, historically, aren't as successful as Ohio State, get these guys. Alshon Jeffrey at South Carolina. Larry Fitzgerald at Pitt. Demaryius Thomas and Megatron going to Georgia Tech, who were running triple option (also Stephen Hill, a bust, but still a day one pick to the NFL). It's frustrating that tOSU doesn't get these type of players.
Braxton's overall completion percentage and # of TDs was higher (by a noticeable margin). But other than that, most of their numbers are quite close to each other (in particular, yards per attempt was virtually identical). With all that said, Marshall was slightly more accurate as a passer on third down and was 6/1 TD/Int, where Miller was 3/3.
Another interesting tidbit: Miller's accuracy went down 8 points in the 2nd half/OT, while Marshall's went UP 8 points.
I don't think Miller was much better than Marshall last year. I think they were very similar: average passers, at best.
Either that or his vision isn't really that good. He seems to run straight into defenders.
It's just a bit frustrating to see week after week, other teams have guys who just seemingly run through and away from defenders. And aside from Devin Smith's theatrics, I haven't really seen a Buckeye ballhandler just BREAK ONE. Just, get the ball and wow, he was gone.
I don't see how you can make that leap. I don't think a better tOSU defense would have helped tOSU beat Florida State in the title game. I don't know if tOSU would have been able to score or hold the ball enough against FSU.
FSU's defense was #1 in points allowed, 8th in third down conversion rate (8th lowest that is), and faced the third least red zone attempts (meaning, they didn't let teams get in scoring range often).
I just think the concept of "if the defense was better, tOSU wins a national title" is a very shallow way to look last year and really overrating what the offense really was. Braxton Miller is a dynamic athlete but the offense wasn't that versatile last year. It was BM, Hyde, and some deep balls to Devin Smith.
It's not about total numbers though. Plenty of guys put up good total numbers. But conference titles, championships, and big games against the better teams in a conference are won by winning the money downs. The Bucks were 1 of 10 on third down against MSU in the Big 10 title game, 2 of 13 against Clemson. That's 3 of 23 on third down in the 2 biggest games of the year!
Buckeyes last 2 bowl wins (Rose, Sugar), they were a combined 19 of 37 on third down. So 50% of the chance they had to keep the drive going, they got the first. Those situations matter way more than "we piled up yards and scored alot of points".
I agree the defense put a lot of pressure on the offense to win games. But if you're converting third downs, you're limiting how many snaps your defense plays, you're taking the life out of the opposition, and over the long haul, you'll win big games.
In 2013, on third down, out of 100 eligible QBs, Braxton Miller was ranked 92nd in QB passer rating. In completion percentage? Doesn't even make the top 99. 50.8 percent completion on third down.
That's just third down overall. On third and 10+ (the same situation Barrett hits Devin Smith for a 34 yard TD), Miller is 82nd passer rating and not even in the top 100 in completion percentage. For context, Jameis Winston led the nation in passer rating in those situations and was third in completion percentage.
So when I say "I don't think Miller could make that throw", I'm saying, Miller has limitations in the passing game. And I think those limitations have been part of tOSU's problem in winning big games. Against the best competition, there comes a moment where the QB simply has to complete a pass, without the run game creating a passing lane, without dancing around. A pass where you have to know where the defense will be and where your receivers will be and probably with the rush bearing down on you. It's those handful of situations that I think Miller hasn't been successful in at a high enough clip.
They couldn't stop him last year in the title game though. He looked like a playmaker then....
I dunno, with Barrett's accuracy and adequate running ability (not elite but certainly not a stiff), I don't see a reason to bench him next year. That third down throw to Devin Smith, after a demoralizing false start penalty? I don't think Miller makes that throw. We've seen, even in Miller's 3rd yr as a starter, where he abandons clean pockets and can't find receivers who are open.
TL;DR, you have a mobile QB who is a better passer than your senior QB and you haven't won a bowl game with that senior. I say go with the young guy.
I don't think Spence is really a first rounder. He had zero sacks versus ranked teams last yr. And in 7 games versus teams with winning records, he had 4 sacks. Not saying he won't get drafted but top 32 player in college football? I never saw that from him.
D-line really isn't as flesh eating as we thought either.....
Defense needs a serious reality check.....
The stance isn't crazy. Bucks are ranked, at home, going up against a team whose strength is lined up with a Buckeye weakness.
No one is saying Cincy has bettee talent or a better program overall. Just that Cincy knows exactly who they are and Buckeyes are young and figuring things out, which lwaves them vulnerbale to inferior teams.
But can you fault people for taking the star rating seriously? They see the likes of Bama, FSU, LSU getting the most stars and then they win games/bowls and their recruits get taken in the first or second round in droves.
I agree that offer sheets are a better indicator of potential ability. But it's hard not to get disappointed when you look at a top 100 list and you only see tOSU's logo twice but the likes of Clemson or PSU 5 or 6 times.
For some reason, nobody wants to say that Bama played well. It's ridiculous really. Sims was throwing bombs, Cooper looked nearly uncoverable. I do think Florida just isn't that good, but if that's the case, Bama still did what they needed to do: score 40+ on an inferior opponent at home, make them turn the ball over.
As for the Bucks, polls shouldn't be a concern for any Buckeye fan right now. The only thing we should be tracking is wins, JT's development/poise and whether any of these guys will show us--consistently--why they were so touted out of high school.