Also, i really, really, really, really, want for the right teams to lose and Michigan to get in at 4, then for us to win our semi and Michigan to beat #1 Bama. Oh my, how confident and arrogant those TSUN fans will be.........and then I want to watch the Bucks beat them in the champ game, in overtime, on a Peppers offensive fumble recovered for the win.
Tennessee and LSU.
I must admit, adding the 2016 vintage Whine bottle to my wine cellar has been fun. It fits in nicely between the 2002/03 Miami vintage and the bottles of every-fricking-time-Penn-State-has-ever-lost whines.
Go the other way. Florida wins the SEC, Virginia Tech the ACC, Wisconsin the B1G, Colorado the P12, Oklahoma State the no-champ-game B12.
Now try to put in the conference champs.
I'll go hunt it down.
Usually I watch all the games I can every Saturday but yesterday was some early drinking (I live in AZ), then some game drinking, then some drinks to calm my nerves, then some overtime drinking, then some celebratory drinking.
So I missed all the other games.
Root for Florida to somehow beat Bama.
There is no doubt Bama is in. That will destroy the conference champs idea in a heartbeat.
PJ Fleck is going to get head coach offers from schools like Oregon. What a great step for him from W Michigan. Bravo, PJ.
Not buying yet, but I live in Phoenix. If this happens it will be the second time the Bucks have come here post season since I moved- which is every year I've lived here. I love it.
I avoid politics on this site, but from an evaluation perspective I'll point out 538 recently hasn't done great in evaluating who will win what.
About four years after Saban leaves Alabama that whole Alabama running roughshod through the SEC thing will work itself out.
I see a lot of ways we get left out, but ask yourself this- if Alabama loses to Florida, will Alabama be out? If not then conference championships probably aren't the key factor.
Can you see a playoff of Oklahoma, Penn State, Florida, and Colorado as being legitimate? Those could be the best four conference champions.
Personally I've always believed you should have to win your conference (and I still do), but the above arguments are great cases for the other side.
We don't know what the committee will do or what it really values- we only know what its chairman has said, and going off what people say rather than what they do is a surefire path to being disappointed in life. No matter what happens this will be a fascinating window into what really matters to the committee. We won't have any real clue until the championships are played; this week's rankings are essentially meaningless since there are still no teams with conference championships.
All I know is we beat Michigan in what they thought was finally their year. It feels great and this has been a good season regardless.
I can see Clemson.
I don't see very many ways our o-line doesn't get trashed by Alabama's d-line.
Buuuuttttttt......it is hard to gauge with no real common opponents.
Unless our O-line gets better over the 15 extra bowl practices, Bama's d-line will mangle our offense.
I think our defense is i good shape against them, but they will score some. We'll need to score to win. I'm not sure our offense is good enough right now.
Of course, the game wouldn't be played right now.
Going into this season, with all the lost starters, if you told me we'd beat TSUN in double overtime to knock them out of their delusional playoff hopes then I'd have called this season a win without even knowing about the other games, the B1G championship, or the playoffs.
Everything that really matters to me in a season just happened yesterday.
We're not in the top 4 right now.
The committee starts from scratch every week. You don't drop or rise. The moment the last game ended Sunday night there are effectively 128 Unranked teams to be evaluated and ranked. Those rankings are released Tuesday.
Nobody drops or rises. That is the old poll system. everybody is compared from scratch.
I fully expect us to be #2 this Tuesday based on resume and due to the fact that there are currently exactly zero teams with conference championships.
The issue is not this week, it is after the conf champ games. When 128 teams are compared and ranked from scratch there will be teams that have something we do not have. That is a problem, especially if one of those teams beat us head to head.
We may get in. We don't know how these Champ games will play out (imagine Penn State, Alabama, Clemson, and Washington all lose if you want some chaotic fun).
bottom line is our resume is great but we don't know if conference championships will outrank that. This weeks rankings are essentially meaningless as there are still no conference champs.
It was definitely a first down but Michigan's reaction makes it more fun if it wasnt.
OMG this is almost as much fun as the win
Only losers think games come down to single plays.Winners know better.
There's a term fpor those that blame the refs. Its true in football, soccer, baseball, basketball, hockey, UFC, boxing, and probably every sport: fucking losers.
There are hundreds of plays and moments. it only "came down to a few calls" because you let it.
Winners know this. Losers don't.
bahahahhahahahahahahahaha. Literally bahahahahahahahhaha.
I'm in Arizona, and if I mute this PSU-MSU game I can hear Michigan fans crying. It's so fantastic.
I have nothing. Wow. Fucking wow.
Michigan State, win that shit and give us another game to get better.
What a freaking all timer. Is anything better than overtime JT? It doesn't matter what happened in regulation he is suddenly a battle tank.
The number one "wrinkle" I would like to see is a traditional screen pass, which is the tried and true method to beat a defense with its ears back when you can't pass. For some reason, we never throw it. Like ever. Ever.
It is the perfect play for our issues. It is mind-boggling that we never use it.
The first traditional screen we throw is going to go for a TD.
Please, God, let this team call some screens.
Not true.Highest ranked team is not a tie breaker.If it was, we'd be going over Penn State if both of us win this weekend. The tiebreakers are:
1) Head to head. Irrelevant per the rules if more than two team tied or still tied.
2) The records of the teams against the other tied teams
3) The records of the tied teams within the division
4) The records of the tied teams against the next highest non-tied team in their division. Do this down the line of the standings, in order, if needed.
5) Records against common opponents
6) Best overall winning percentage
7) Random draw
I think we're the better team, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about our offensive or defensive lines. Neither is as good as they get credit for.
I'm also deeply concerned about our receivers against a good Michigan secondary while a good Michigan defensive line is rushing our decent offensive line. I can easily envision a scenario where JT can't pass, we fall into our terrible run-JT then run-Weber straight forward then run-JT play calling, and then we fall behind. And we need to pass. and we can't pass.
I think we're better and can win, and I also think if we get ahead early we end up stomping them, but I'm worried.