I heard BJ created another thread. Did I miss anything new?
You just do the same word-twists in your every response.
Umm, they are YOUR WORDS. Don't get mad you can't keep up with your own delusions and got caught contradicting yourself.
Triv - are you Cincy's big brother (or sock puppet?)? You seem to show up pretty often when he gets in over his head. Just wondering.
Someone is getting desperate...
I have difficulty recognizing my points when I see them stated by you.
AKA - You just made me look stupid.
You've spent the last 3 weeks of your life shoving stats down our throats...now they are meaningless???
Hmm, didn't you talk the ENTIRE 2015 preseason saying how pretty CJ's ball was and how great he was throwing the deep ball and that no one else could throw the deep ball like him???
Cardale remained undefeated a s a QB. Hard to argue that.
When you think you aren't distorting facts, or ignoring what doesn't fit your narrative, I refer you to Exhibit A above....
And I get tired of hearing that JT at QB is a done deal. What else is new?
Urban hasn't coached any of the QBs at any of his stops...that's why he hires a position coach. And footwork is basic stuff....as long as it is being taught properly. I'm not sure why you can't see the other side of your argument...JT has some CLEAR issues, but are they of his own doing? Or are other variables at play? A few of you are unwilling to accept option 2...
Fact One - Cardale Jones stuggled in 2015 as well under Beck/Warriner with SAME WR talent JT worked with, yet you conveniently forget/ignore this little variable. Why did your man crush suddenly fall back down to earth? Hmmm....
Fact Two - 1) You're cherry picking data points to fit your conclusion and 2) these are most definitely silly facts due to the way you are trying to use them. For every valid point you make(I've actually agreed with a few of your points) you make 25 other absurd points.
No facts have been misconstrued by me (though I'm aware that you tirelessly try to create that illusion). When facts go counter to your narrative, you frantically try to discredit them.
Brother, its not just me. It's pretty telling when nearly an entire community has an issue with the way you express your opinion.
And didnt have proper coaching in years 3 and 4.
But I'd bet many of the same fans calling for no competition at QB whatsoever,
I recall very few, if ANY, fans that are saying this. What "we" take issue with is 1) how SOME fans misconstrue facts and beat the dead horse to a pulp with silly "facts" while completely ignoring the other variables at play and 2) those that think Joe Burrow is our new lord and savior based SOLELY off practice and mop up duty(also beating this dead horse to a bloody pulp). No one is saying he isn't good, or that he MIGHT be better than JT, but it is absolutely ABSURD to jump to that outright conclusion with the limited data we have.
I may have responded to your post, but I was only partially talking about you(saying that JT "haters" are looked down upon). The rest was a general statement directed at no one in particular.
You have to realize, there is a difference between saying Barrett needs to improve his accuracy and cherry picking "stats" to prove your point while ignoring ANYTHING that doesn't support those distorted stats. I don't think you personally fall in this category, but there are several on here that do.
You realize that Burrow faced more talent during the spring game than JT faced in most of the games he played in in 2016.
Glorified PRACTICE. Glorified PRACTICE. Glorified PRACTICE.
So JT is to blame for poor play calling and scheme? He's to blame for a porous O-line? He's to blame for subpar WR play? You entire rant is yet another perfect example of twisting stats to fit your opinion, while COMPLETELY ignoring the other variables at play.
For Burrow, you could also add in HS stats that are even better than HS POY Tate Martell. Had 63 TD passes his sr yr vs 2 INTs
Really dude? This is a PERFECT example of distorting stats to fit your narrative. The level of competition the two faced in high school are on completely different stratospheres.
Yet you proceeded to take those "untested" numbers and compared them to Barrett's. And you're right I don't like those "facts" when they are comparing apples to oranges.
Actually you are. Did you not read what you wrote? You're clearly arguing that Burrow is better than Barrett.
Actually, they won't. That was a sane, logical opinion.
It's like you an BuckeyeJack are cloned...
Your ENTIRE argument is based on a glorified practice and mop up duty against other teams backups. Do you not see the flaws in this logic???
The part I don't get is that if some want Burrow or who ever, they are looked down on.
No one looks down on these people...they "look down on" those that say the same thing 100 different ways by distorting the facts, or those that somehow feel JB and DH are CLEARLY better QBs based off glorified practices and recruiting rankings. We ALL want the best man to win the job, what we don't want is absurd "stats" thrown at us that does nothing but prove your dislike for all things JT Barrett.
Maybe he needs to have a talk with BJ and learn how bad JT was in small sample sizes!
Or how good Joe Burrow is throwing footballs uphill, in the snow, blindfolded, while standing on one leg.
Never been to jail myself, but I think I've been the reason a few ppl have been locked up.
I'm not "projecting" anything. MOST of the "pro JT" crowd will readily admit that he needs to improve is some areas and that if he doesn't, then it's the next man up. What MOST of us take issue with are those that act like he couldn't make the two deep at Dublin Coffman or those who think our backups are "clearly better" based on glorified practices and recruiting rankings. Me thinks there might be a little confirmation bias happening here.
Funny how mad and, dare I say, "hateful" a lot of the JT defenders get around here.'
Yea, the "haters" are choir boys in this fight. Come on man.
Same can be said for the "haters"...emotional opinions from tough losses and poor offensive production and looking for someone to blame.
Bobby Knight did it, Mack Brown did it,
These two were forced out.
Woody Hayes did it.
No, just no. Woody would have coached until he died had he not lost his temper and punched another teams player.