Honestly, I don't see what he said this week as giving excuses but that's a pointless argument at this point. (The stuff after the Oklahoma loss was totally excuses) What Saban was doing was using a strategic moment to highlight something that he thinks needs to be addressed. Sure it can come across as whining or excusing to some (especially when that's how the media presents it) but he's said on other occasions that they failed to prepare the team properly and he's taken the blame for that. He sees this platform as a chance to start the ball rolling to change the date of the evaluations - which would be a good thing to do, regardless of what team you pull for (and given the talent Meyer has pulled in, could help you guys as much or more than Bama over the next 4-5 years)
OSU completely dominated the Tide.
Ok. Yet there they were at the end of the game with a chance. Ya'll dominated Wisconsin. Bama dominated Notre Dame a couple years ago. OSU played a great game, they came back from a quick deficit, they were very effective in the trenches and ran the ball well and were admittedly the best team on the field that night - but domination is a bit of a stretch (unless you want to limit it to 3rd down conversions - oh God my eyes bleed when I remember that stat)
I would absolutely put LSU in the Elite category, and would put Georgia in the conversation (they were a couple yards away from a championship in '12) - though they do seem to choke a game away most years. Florida, I would agree has dropped off quite a bit since their last championship. That admittedly leaves a void in the East that either Florida or Tennessee (or both) will fill in the next few years. I could be wrong - last year's bowl games could have well exposed the weakness of the SEC and we could be on the cusp of a new era that looks more like the '90s, but I'm not betting on it. The talent level and the coaches that are in the SEC are too good for that kind of drop. Ya'll take your shots while you can, I don't see that being the norm.
two of Bama's opponents are FCS.
No, only one. Middle Tennessee is in C-USA. And don't forget: last time Bama played La Monroe, they lost.
The reality is Miss' QB was abysmal when he needed to play well.
And no longer had Tredwell to bail him out. Kinda making my point there.
Ole Miss was never going to win the playoff, or the SEC even - they don't have the players to recover from the loss of a major player the way OSU was (and make no doubt about that, OSU's ability to do that was incredible and ya'll got my respect for it.).
You can't base current status off of PAST success ... ... and over the last few years, MSU has proven they are more that just "good".
You and Dave (below) make a good point, but you don't become an elite team over one season - that is not a status given to a single team in a given year. It is given to a program and is earned over several years - often after the fact. Bama lost 3 games in 2010 - but looking back you would have to be blind not to consider them an elite team, even in that year. As such, one bad bowl season does not wipe out the previous year's trend. Sure, you can hope that it is a sign that the SEC has lost its strength but I'd wait a bit on the eulogy if I were you.
mobile posting. Figured it was obvious enough.
It was absurd last year, when about Week 2 or 3 of the College Football Playoff weekly rankings show, 4 out of the top 5 were teams from the SEC West.
Criticism is easiest with hindsight. At that point in history, the SEC west appeared to be just that - and it wasn't ESPN bias. There wasn't a single loss in the SECw to any team outside of the SECw until October 18, and with wins over then-respected teams like West Virginia, Wisconsin, Boise St, K State, and Tx Tech it wasn't all SEC data they were pulling from. In fact, The SECw went 38-4 (all 4 losses at the hands of the top 2 teams from the East) on season against out of division competition. Yes, there are way too many FCS and other weak teams, but this includes the East top-to bottom. That was impressive as hell ... well until the post-season :(
Actually, I don't watch any ESPN this time of year.
Ole Miss beat Bama last year (by about the same margin OSU did). They lost a couple bad games at the end of the year, but if you recall, they lost their best player on the last play of the Auburn game and were never the same without him. I would say they will be better than the average B10 team by a decent margin.
Auburn is actually picked to win the West this year more than Bama is - and Arkansas is a much better team than their record last year showed, but I won't argue with you if you want to remove them.
but tell me there is a huge difference between the middle of the sec and MN, PSU, NEB, WISC, Rutgers.
Since you only listed Bama as elite from the SEC, I'll take huge issue with that. How many national championships does your B10 list have? SEC teams you didn't list as elite (and I must only assume you consider middle of the pack) have 4 national championships in the last 10 years (and 2 other appearances). That's significant. The biggest accomplishment any of those B10 teams have is Wisky's B10 championship (with 5 losses) or their win over Auburn in last year's bowl game.
I agree that MSU is a good team - but I don't know that they quite deserve "elite" status just yet - certainly not if Auburn, LSU, or Georgia from the SEC don't.
Granted, that survey is a couple of years old.
And based on opinion, not actual data. Anytime national opinion is drawn, the South will always come out to the negative.
No, which is why they don't leave the south. They don't have to leave the south to find notable opponents.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them get out a little more (everyone, really) but if this is all you have to show how the SEC is not playing tough teams, then you need a better example. (Try the Mississippi teams)
Why are all of you acting like this is so new? SEC teams have generally (it is basically an SEC rule now) scheduled at least one marquee OOC team every year. For example, recently Bama has played West Virginia, Va Tech, Clemson, Michigan, FSU, and Penn State. Their addition of FSU and USC is just a continuation of that.
Gurley was also the guy who told the truth about it, accepted his suspension, and moved on. Likewise, Georgia didn't get caught covering it up - that's a pretty big difference there. Had Tress not lied about everything and held the tat-5 out of a few games (including the Sugar Bowl) that would have been the end of it - of course, there is little hope ya'll would have won that bowl game without them.
Well, B10 coaches aren't doing "satellite camps" out west ...
Auburn has had plenty of room on their roster for some time. At the end of the Chizik era I think they were playing with around 70 scholarship players due to all the transfers, arrests, and non-qualifiers.
You are not taking into account several factors: mainly that B10 and SEC schools absolutely have different styles in recruiting (insert predictable "bag man" joke here). Many schools like Ole Miss, South Carolina seem to rely heavily on JuCo transfers. Over 4 years, you can sign twice as many JuCo guys as you can traditional 4-year players (and yes, over the last few years Auburn has used a lot of them as well due in part to their roster being so low). If that guy signed originally with the same team, he ends up only playing 2 years, but counts twice in a LOI survey. There is also the greater chance that an SEC team will take a chance on a guy that may not (will not) qualify. When you look at these differences, most SEC schools can and do sign many more players than a typical B10 school - without forcing anyone off the roster.
For the record: you may have misunderstood me - I perfectly willing to grant OSU the benefit of the doubt: crap happens and feelings get hurt from time to time (not necessarily due to anything intentional). Heck, I'm a Bama fan - we've been dealing with these accusations for years. Welcome to the club, the bitching is annoying, but the bling is kinda nice.
To be seen by a famous sports orthopedist who normally takes months or at least needs to have major connections to get into.
Not really. I know several people who have been seen by him (or at least his staff) - his office is really not any more difficult to get into than any other.
I thought the rule from the NCAA was that if a player had not practiced nor played with a team, they could play immediately after a transfer release.
My understanding is that once the LOI is signed, you are bound to that team for one year, thus if the player transfers he has to sit out.
...cases involving FSU athletes from 2009-14, 70% were dropped or never followed; significantly higher than how often non-athletes' crimes are prosecuted.
Conversely, there was no difference between prosecution frequency between Michigan State athletes and non-athletes.
MSU had 62% of the cases dropped or not prosecuted: FSU had 70%. Anyone else confused by these two in comparison?
You do know that OSU has signed more players over the last 4-5 years than Auburn has don't you? IF OSU has room for their class, I imagine the Tigers won't have any trouble finding room for Dean - especially when you consider the higher rate of turnover for all those JUCO players - they should have lots of empty slots without forcing anyone out.