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Catch 5

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I'm a Bama fan looking to expand my knowledge and experience beyond the South. I mostly read the articles but will occasionally spout off to defend SEC country or question the perveived evils of oversigning.

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  • SPORTS MOMENT: 1992 Sugar Bowl, when Langham stripped the ball. Awesome.
  • COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER: Current: Barrett Jones All time: Mark Ingram
  • COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER: N/A
  • NFL TEAM: Atlanta, I guess. No real affiliation
  • NHL TEAM: Philly, but I dint know why.
  • NBA TEAM: N/A
  • MLB TEAM: Braves
  • SOCCER TEAM: Manchester United

Recent Activity

Comment 15 May 2015

Marcell Dareus was a 3* (.90 by 247) and was drafted #3 overall after an incredible college career.

Chance Warmack was a 3* (.86 by 247) and became one of the best guards I've ever seen.  He was eventually drafted #10 overall.

Vinnie Sunseri was a 3* (.86 247) and was drafted in the 5th round - was recruited as a linebacker but was an all-SEC/American level safety before he was lost his final year to injury.

Terrence Cody was a 3* (.88 247) and was drafted in the 2nd round.

I could give more if you want.

Comment 15 May 2015

Vinnie Sunseri, Austin Shephard, Chance Warmack, Anthony Steen, Terrence Cody, Marcel Dareus, Brad Smelly, Damion Square, Josh Chapman, and Carson Tinker are all current NFL players that signed with Alabama ranked 3* by Rivals (except for Tinker, who was a walk-on).  There have been others that have since left or are on practice squads.  Of those 9 players, 2 were top 10 selections in the NFL Draft.  Keep in mind that there are only 7 or 8 3*s taken in an average Bama signing class.

Comment 15 Apr 2015

I actually think 4 is the right number, but 8 is absolutely too many.  The college regular season is where teams prove who is best.  The playoff should be to determine who wins out of those who can make that claim - and there are rarely more than 3 or 4 who can honestly do that.  

Consider this:  We go to 8 teams, which effectively means that every major conference winner (and some runner-ups, ugh) will make the playoffs.  Entering the last week of a given season, OSU is undefeated and has the division wrapped up since Michigan already has 2 losses.  How deep into The Game does Meyer play your starting quarterback?  What if your left tackle is nursing an ankle?  I'd rest both of them along with anyone else who needs it because this game (THE Game) now means nothing.  THAT is how the playoffs will ruin college football.  Before you dismiss it, go back and watch the '09 and '10 Iron Bowls.  Bama and Auburn both had their divisions wrapped up those years, and eventually went on to Nattys.  Both also trailed significantly in those games before epic comebacks when, had they lost they would have been out of the running for the NC.  What turned out to be two of the greatest games played in recent history would have been throwaway games with a large playoff.

Comment 15 Apr 2015

But one down side to this is that it encourages teams to schedule cupcakes

Baylor would disagree with that statement.  I know the conference championship games helped, but if it is close at the end of the year, a marquee OOC win goes a long way.  Look at the 4 teams this year:  OSU, Bama, Oregon, and FSU.  All these teams played at least one big name out of conference.  Baylor and TCU?  Not so much. 

Comment 15 Apr 2015
I don't know anybody who said playoffs wouldn't work. My objection to them is two-fold: 1. They are ever-expanding - we had tons of people clamoring for an 8-team version before the first 4-team was even played, and 2. It lessens the value of the regular season. College football has the greatest season in all of sports because so much rests on every game. The larger the playoff, the less those season games mean. We will eventually trade a season-long playoff for a 3-week one. The fact it makes tons of money is not surprising and an expansion of it would as well - but that isn't the only indicator of success.
Comment 09 Apr 2015
I think it can be a really effective tool in bringing in the most talent available and can be done to the detriment of noone. If done properly, it can be beneficial to both the team and the players/recruits as it helps in keeping a full roster while offering the most opportunity possible to new players. Sure, if it's done like most critics portray (sign as many as you can and cut plays you don't like) it isn't worth it and is wrong - but if it were done that way to the extent they say it is there would be a lot more testimony out there. The worst thing I've found is the LSU example Nicholas mentioned in the article - and even that has a legit possibility (though if it were legit, Miles handled it poorly since). Everything else I've read on the subject is nothing more than (mostly biased) drawn conclusions from the author with only part of the information - filling in the gaps with worst-case assumptions that support the conclusion - never offering the myriad of valid explanations. Simpler put: opinion pieces, not journalism from people who purport to be journalists.
Comment 01 Apr 2015

Possibly because everything you've heard about oversigning is mostly assumptions made up about rival teams - where the worst possible scenario of the situation has become accepted fact, while more likely (and much less evil) explanations are ignored and dismissed.  That is why everyone "knows" Nick Saban cuts kids and makes up medical hardships when there has never (to my knowledge anyway) been a player actually say that (and if you think this article does, read it again).  Now, OSU fans find themselves in the position they have long criticized and don't know how to handle it (as being on the other side, they are now willing to accept logical scenarios other than the worst possible).

Comment 01 Apr 2015
Or maybe it's because Jones was already suspended when this happened. Getting arrested for pot is not the way to get out of Saban's doghouse. http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/02/tyren_jones_suspended_alabama.html
Comment 02 Mar 2015

I think you are mistaken.  That video could not have preceded the infamous "Cowturd" rant - that rant happened some time last summer and it was in response to Cowherd making the statement that Saban was done because he had no answer for Malzahn.  Given the results from the past year, you kinda have to give the point to Phyllis.

Comment 13 Feb 2015
Yes, I've read tons of articles from SI, WSJ, CBS, and so forth. None of which quote a player saying they were cut or told they had to leave (save for Bryan Thomas from Florida - but that was Meyer as coach ...) I have read the author's speculation making those claims, but that was based on the same actions we now see from OSU. they have speculated so much and so often, it has become accepted as fact - even though noone can find an actual example of it. Maybe I'm wrong and you can pull such a quote that I'm not aware of ...
Comment 13 Feb 2015

Multiple former SEC players have publicly commented on being asked to leave the program for no reason.

What examples?  You just stated that  what OSU is doing is nothing like the SEC (even though it is exactly like it), then explained that Meyer knows who is leaving and likely has the room - exactly what I've been saying about Saban and other SEC teams for years.  Can you provide this list of players and their quotes? I'd love to see them and I've only found 1 guy under Houston Nutt that I didn't think was treated fairly - and Elliott Porter from LSU (who was reportedly told he had to be greyshirted after he had moved into his dorm) - though Miles has never commented on that (it is possible that Porter had agreed to greyshirt if needed before he signed - I've never heard either way - and it is worthy to note that Porter ended up back at LSU playing center).  I read every article at oversigning.com before it went defunct, and he never listed a single player who said Bama cut them or made them greyshirt.  Not one!   Ironic that you reference that site, then go on to claim OSU was 3 over.  By his standard, they were 6 over as the 3 medicals were not announced before NSD (and are still speculative at this point, everyone is just counting them, hoping they come true to make the numbers work).  As far as players leaving under suspicious circumstances - are you not at all concerned that a couple of the guys who are going on medicals actually played in the playoffs - and didn't leave the game due to injury?  That makes me raise an eyebrow, and I'm one to lend the benefit of the doubt.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

Then you must concede that both coaches have had a player take a medical but wasn't happy about it.  Of course, only one of them did so a day after being told he "wasn't in the team's plans" (and that wasn't the one with a WSJ expose)

Comment 13 Feb 2015

Then you miss the point.  Hayes' opinion is not referenced - just the data/player quotes he provided - which have not been refuted by Meyer or anyone else.  You can't dismiss that just because you don't like Hayes.

BTW, I don't really care for Hannah Karp (she kinda has it out for Bama it seems) but that alone doesn't dismiss her writing.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

Actually they are even ... 

Thomas was a four-star recruit from Zephyrhills, Fla., and had a series of knee injuries hinder his development.

After the 2008 season, Thomas says he was told he had to “move on” because he wasn’t in the team’s plans for 2009.

“I told (Meyer) I was on track to graduate, I wasn’t a problem and I did everything I was supposed to do—I just had a knee injury,” Thomas said. “I told them I wasn’t leaving, and if they tried to force me to leave, I was going to tell everyone everything."

The next day, Thomas says he was given a medical hardship letter ...

source

I get it that Matt Hayes isn't liked around here (I don't care too much for him either) but he doesn't exactly live in his parent's basement.  He has actual quotes from the player, and Meyer didn't exactly dispute it either.  Oh yeah, Thomas went on to play for North Alabama after graduating from Florida, where he achieved conference awards and I think got invited to the NFL combine.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

The left guard - #63 I think.  He makes a block, turns back briefly to the line, sees Marshal scrambling, then runs downfield.  The LOS is between the 39 and 40, and he is crossing the 36 when the ball is released.  The center #50 is also moving downfield as the camera pans away from him - he is likely close to 3 yds as well at the time the ball is released.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

 three players claim they were asked to take waivers and they are bitter about it.

No, only one player claimed to be bitter.  The other two didn't say anything negative about Bama or the staff.  One of those was actually used as an example of players NOT being pressured.  In fact, all 3 players in that article had been injured and all 3 (including the bitter one) admitted the decision  to take the medical was theirs.  Bama fans aren't needed to refute it - the article itself does it well enough if you take the time to read it for what it is.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

That is exactly what they are trying to get rid of.  I'm not as big a fan of this proposed rule change as I am of calling it correctly.  As you can plainly see, AU had a couple of linemen downfield on that play - which cause Bama's DB to come up to defend the QB, which in turn left the WR wide open down the sideline.  The problem is that the refs apparently can't call the current rule effectively.  If that is true, I'm all for the rule change.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

Do you mean Caleb Gulledge?  

Gulledge, who was medically disqualified after spring practice with the Crimson Tide, told The Star it was his decision to leave Alabama.  "I guess I didn’t feel comfortable with the situation," he told The Star. "My father had back problems and he just didn’t want me to press it" ... Had Gulledge remained at Alabama, he would have remained on scholarship and been able to graduate, Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban said.

source

He did transfer to Jax State and try to play there, but didn't finish the year with them as he no longer appears on their roster.  I can't find any stories as to why.  Jax St doesn't have as many people double-checking their attrition I guess, but I will venture a guess that maybe his back was still a problem.

Comment 13 Feb 2015

Actually most SEC schools are issuing 4-year scholarships as well, but for discussion let's assume they aren't.  My question is:  If OSU is giving 4-year scholarships and losing players at a higher rate than the SEC teams that only issue 1-year renewables, how can you say those SEC players are being cut?  If SEC teams are cutting players, wouldn't you expect their attrition to be much higher (when added to the "natural" attrition)

Comment 13 Feb 2015
That was the author's point! Give Alabama that amount of attrition and what do you think you guys would be saying? He's pointing out that time of year should not matter if you concern is that kids aren't being run off. Go back a few years (actually it still comes up) and think about what you (as a fanbase) said when that WSJ article came out about Saban and his "misuse" of medical hardships. How is Meyer any different? He's used them at a higher rate!
Comment 13 Feb 2015
"Those types of stories are what you hear from the big bad SEC. " Like James Jackson? Sorry, he was an OSU player.
Comment 13 Feb 2015
How is that not what happens in the SEC? the only evidence otherwise comes from B10 fans repeating their assumptions based on evidence that looks just like OSU this year.