As a Bama fan, I'm happy to be where we are. Despite the recent love toward the SEC from the media, they have not historically favored southern teams - as evidenced by Bama having the most AP championships but by far the least amount of weeks ranked #1 among the top 5.
What is extremely impressive to me is OSU's worst decade. During their worst period, the Buckeyes were still ranked over 55% of the time. That is a hell of a stat.
When you sign 30 kids a year, you're always going to be on top
Let's see ... Last 4 years, Bama has signed 100 kids - OSU has signed 99.
Last 5 years: Bama - 126, OSU - 124
Add in the 3 scholarships OSU was without for a few of those years, and this may not be the angle you want to pursue.
I have said before that I would probably suspend them for a game or two - but let's remember that we don't have all the information. Please note that my previous response was correcting someone who lamented that they didn't receive any punishment at all - not whether it was sufficient or what I would have done. While I probably would suspend them from a game or two if it was my call (and have said such before) I recognize that we don't have all the facts in the case and trust that someone who does can make a better call.
Now allow me a little hypothetical for a moment. Let's pretend that there were 4 people in that car, not just the 2 we know about. Let's say that only the 2 Bama players were arrested, while the other 2 guys - guys that just happened to play for the home State team - were let go and told and keep it down home. Now who's (stolen) gun was the one found under the seat? Afterall, that's really the worse charge here, right? Could it have been the rear passenger, the guy who went uncharged? What if the pot was theirs too (less likely, but this is my hypothetical - shut up) Now, how do you handle this if you don't want to bring a whole crap-storm down on the local community/police force? If you are the DA, you drop the charges and cite an illegal search or some such technicallity on the condition that no one involved talks about it publicly. If you're the coach of these guys, do you drop the hammer on them now? I don't know. I would probably need to know the kids. If they hadn't been problem guys in the past, I would be more inclined to be satisfied with extra summer work outs and the community service we have seen from these guys.
He has received punishment. You and many around here fail (or refuse in this case) to recognize that there is other types of punishment than missing ball games. If you listen to Saban, he has explained that they have been doing several things that has helped them earn their way back into good graces. Community service, ride-alongs with police, and drug counseling are all things I've seen/heard them doing. If they do these things and stay out of trouble with the right attitude from here on, I don't have a problem with it.
No. We are a society of laws. If something is illegal it is wrong. That's kind of the reason for laws - when everyone gets to define their own boundaries, you have anarchy.
Whether or not it should be legal/illegal is a matter for debate and can change as the government allows, but you don't get to choose which laws you want to abide by without being subject to the consequences.
Where are you getting that there was a team vote?
Yes, that's the incident that inspired this ad.
It was a player's father who tripped on the carpet that held the trophy stand.
a trophy was temporarily placed in an area where prospects taking an official visit would be
I swear, guys - that one was just a paper weight.
(a few years old, but one of my favorites ;) )
I'm with you all the way on that one - Home field was definitely the way to go with the playoffs, but they really didn't want to lose the importance of the NYE bowls.
Well, maybe if B10 teams played OOC games in November that would happen. As it is ... well you gotta get what you can.
FWIW, Bama used to play PSU all the time in October and November. Bama won most of them if I remember correctly. Of course that was before they joined the B10.
Did you even read my post - I specifically said that I wished they had proceeded with the possession charge for the MJ - or did you just assume I am supporting what happened just 'cause I like Bama? You aren't really saying anything I didn't - except the gun thing. If Cam bought the gun without the knowledge of it being stolen, I don't think it should be a big deal and that has nothing to do with being a Bama fan.
I agree, but the DA is obviously reaching in looking for an out. If he wanted to prosecute, he probably could - and a good lawyer could probably muddy the waters enough to strike a deal/reduce the charges to very little outcome. I wish they had dropped the weapons charge (assuming what I've heard is correct: that Robinson purchased the gun without knowing it was stolen) or downgraded it to possession of stolen property (I don't think that is a felony) and proceed with the drug possession as normal - probably resulting in the aforementioned plea deal. I don't really like the idea that they get off without a scratch, but the hysteria that they aren't getting kicked off the team, out of school and sent to jail is a little preposterous.
Probably, but if the officer gave the weapon as the reason for the search, then it is an unwarranted search. We aren't given that info either way, so assume what you want.
I'm pretty sure this is not true. (except the stolen part, obviously)
I'm not going to disagree with you about the DA's quote - it really is bad, I'm just answering your question as to how there could be a lack of evidence. But at the same time, you know this type of offense for kids with clean records gets reduced or dropped all the time and all this grandstanding by various talking heads and rival fans is just as bad as the DA.
Here's an article that explains it a little better (though there are still things to raise your eyebrows if you want) and provides a little insight as to what Saban is having them do. Excerpt (Edited for space, not content):
...one potential reason for the DA’s decision to drop the charges was the “improper” search and seizure that ultimately resulted in their arrests.
“It was something from the beginning arrest that was improper because there’s no law ... (against having) a gun in plain view,” Guerriero said. “And that’s what the initial arrest was made on, that there was a gun in the car. … It wasn’t concealed, and therefore there were no legal grounds to make that arrest on that basis.”
Robinson and Jones were arrested ... after a Monroe police officer approached the parked car they were sitting in ... and smelled “a strong odor of marijuana coming from the vehicle,” according to the initial arrest report.
The officer observed a handgun in the lap of Jones, the passenger, and both players were asked to step out of the vehicle, according to the report.
The officer then found a small bag of marijuana “in plain view” in the driver’s seat floorboard and a handgun under Robinson’s seat
... another reason for the dismissal was at least partly related to the players’ previously clean criminal record and his preference to not sully their potential athletic future with such charges.
If the officer used the gun as the reason to have them step out of the car, the bag of Mary Jane would be inadmissable as it was found after they got out. IF this is the case, then all they have to go on is the smell of pot, not the pot itself.
... part of Robinson’s internal discipline at Alabama will include daily “intensive outpatient therapy” with Bradford Services and gun safety and ownership education twice a week with Tuscaloosa Police Sgt. Tommy Rester.
Robinson has also completed as much as 26 hours of ride-a-longs with the Northport Police Department between May 23-27, and has enrolled and will complete a minimum of 20 hours in the Police Athletic League, a juvenile crime prevention program.
The same report showed Jones’ internal discipline included a 21-day stay of “inpatient treatment” and daily outpatient therapy with an addiction specialist/counselor, as well as twice-a-week gun safety and gun ownership education with Rester.
Both players have been suspended indefinitely and will be subject to weekly drug testing, according to the report.
Apparently the initial search was because there was a gun visible in the car - since there is no La. law against this, the search was deemed inadmissable by the DA - thus there is no evidence.
First off, I do like this idea - at least on a 2 year basis every once in a while, but I must take issue somewhat with this statement:
What it would do is holistically upgrade college football's first month, benefit the entire sport...
Here are selected P5 opponents from SEC schedules this coming year:
West Virginia, North Carolina, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, Florida State, UCLA, TCU, Va Tech, and Ga Tech
Swapping a few for OSU, Michigan and MSU would be a wash, but losing games against the likes of Ga Tech, North Carolina, Clemson, and UCLA for tilts against Rutgers, Purdue, Minny, and Indiana just ain't gonna be an upgrade. At least from the SEC side of things - it would be an upgrade to the B10 schedule though. Maybe that's what he means about the SEC only considering things if it benefits themselves.
Ironic that the Title Photo Ramzy used is one of Alabama playing in Pennsylvania.
Yes, SEC teams play 8 cupcake games that week, and most of them are really bad. That must be much worse that what others do, right?
Let's look at the B10's Week 1 schedule: 10 cupcakes (I'll give a pass for Bowling Green, but they really are too), including 4 FCS games. There are 3 P5 teams here, though. Washington (7-6), Oregon St (2-10) and LSU (9-3). Ironic that the only opponent in the B10 opening weekend that anyone will talk about is an SEC team.
SEC teams (in addition to 1 conference game) play North Carolina, West Virginia, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, Florida State, and UCLA. That's half the conference stepping up in week 1 and playing teams that will or could be ranked next year.
It seems more chickenshit to me to not play anybody until week 3 (if then). Seriously - the toughest opponent in the whole of the B10 schedules (first 2 weeks) not from the SEC is North Carolina, and then ... Cincinnati? Maybe Washington I guess. Sure, you have Oregon, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma in week 3, but who else does anybody play? The SEC plays more challenging OOC teams in the first week than the whole B10 does all year, and ya'll want to beat your chest over some cupcakes in week 12? That's the best you can do? You should focus more on the 8-team conference schedule. Maybe they'd listen to that - and I'd agree with you.
In recent years, they have played Michigan and Wisconsin in Dallas (not the North, but not really Alabama's comfort zone), and AT Penn State (which is both). When's the last time OSU played on an SEC campus (serious question - I don't know)?
This is a repeated theme around here. Just wondering, when's the last time Ohio State played anyone OOC in November?