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Catch 5

Alabama

Member since 25 October 2011 | Blog

I'm a Bama fan looking to expand my knowledge and experience beyond the South. I mostly read the articles but will occasionally spout off to defend SEC country or question the perveived evils of oversigning.

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  • SPORTS MOMENT: 1992 Sugar Bowl, when Langham stripped the ball. Awesome.
  • COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER: Current: Barrett Jones All time: Mark Ingram
  • COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER: N/A
  • NFL TEAM: Atlanta, I guess. No real affiliation
  • NHL TEAM: Philly, but I dint know why.
  • NBA TEAM: N/A
  • MLB TEAM: Braves
  • SOCCER TEAM: Manchester United

Recent Activity

Comment 21 Jun 2016

Did you even read my post - I specifically said that I wished they had proceeded with the possession charge for the MJ - or did you just assume I am supporting what happened just 'cause I like Bama?  You aren't really saying anything I didn't - except the gun thing.  If Cam bought the gun without the knowledge of it being stolen, I don't think it should be a big deal and that has nothing to do with being a Bama fan.

Comment 21 Jun 2016

I agree, but the DA is obviously reaching in looking for an out.  If he wanted to prosecute, he probably could - and a good lawyer could probably muddy the waters enough to strike a deal/reduce the charges to very little outcome.  I wish they had dropped the weapons charge (assuming what I've heard is correct:  that Robinson purchased the gun without knowing it was stolen) or downgraded it to possession of stolen property (I don't think that is a felony) and proceed with the drug possession as normal - probably resulting in the aforementioned plea deal.  I don't really like the idea that they get off without a scratch, but the hysteria that they aren't getting kicked off the team, out of school and sent to jail is a little preposterous.

Comment 20 Jun 2016
Not unreasonable at all, and if I were making the call they would probably miss a couple games. I don't think Saban disciplines that way though. They are suspended from the team, and will remain so until they complete some steps (like rehab, counselling, community service, etc). If/when they do, they are reinstated to the team. Just happens that the off- season provides ample time to achieve this. Though it may be different than how you or I would do it, it isn't unreasonable, either. Were this happening nearer or during the season, I'm sure they would miss a couple games if not more.
Comment 20 Jun 2016
This is the first trouble from either of these guys, they are both in drug counseling, they are both going on 20+ hours of ride-alongs with police as well as other community service duties. Saban has not commented on any loss of game- time. If they stay clean and complete these (and any other) requirements, they probably won't miss any time but that doesn't mean they haven't been disciplined. What, exactly do you demand from a couple first- time offenders?
Comment 20 Jun 2016

I'm not going to disagree with you about the DA's quote - it really is bad, I'm just answering your question as to how there could be a lack of evidence.  But at the same time, you know this type of offense for kids with clean records gets reduced or dropped all the time and all this grandstanding by various talking heads and rival fans is just as bad as the DA.

Here's an article that explains it a little better (though there are still things to raise your eyebrows if you want) and provides a little insight as to what Saban is having them do.  Excerpt (Edited for space, not content):

...one potential reason for the DA’s decision to drop the charges was the “improper” search and seizure that ultimately resulted in their arrests.

“It was something from the beginning arrest that was improper because there’s no law ... (against having) a gun in plain view,” Guerriero said. “And that’s what the initial arrest was made on, that there was a gun in the car. … It wasn’t concealed, and therefore there were no legal grounds to make that arrest on that basis.”

Robinson and Jones were arrested ... after a Monroe police officer approached the parked car they were sitting in ... and smelled “a strong odor of marijuana coming from the vehicle,” according to the initial arrest report.

The officer observed a handgun in the lap of Jones, the passenger, and both players were asked to step out of the vehicle, according to the report.

The officer then found a small bag of marijuana “in plain view” in the driver’s seat floorboard and a handgun under Robinson’s seat

...  another reason for the dismissal was at least partly related to the players’ previously clean criminal record and his preference to not sully their potential athletic future with such charges. 

If the officer used the gun as the reason to have them step out of the car, the bag of Mary Jane would be inadmissable as it was found after they got out.  IF this is the case, then all they have to go on is the smell of pot, not the pot itself. 

... part of Robinson’s internal discipline at Alabama will include daily “intensive outpatient therapy” with Bradford Services and gun safety and ownership education twice a week with Tuscaloosa Police Sgt. Tommy Rester.

Robinson has also completed as much as 26 hours of ride-a-longs with the Northport Police Department between May 23-27, and has enrolled and will complete a minimum of 20 hours in the Police Athletic League, a juvenile crime prevention program. 

The same report showed Jones’ internal discipline included a 21-day stay of “inpatient treatment” and daily outpatient therapy with an addiction specialist/counselor, as well as twice-a-week gun safety and gun ownership education with Rester. 

Both players have been suspended indefinitely and will be subject to weekly drug testing, according to the report.

Comment 02 Jun 2016

First off, I do like this idea - at least on a 2 year basis every once in a while, but I must take issue somewhat with this statement:

What it would do is holistically upgrade college football's first month, benefit the entire sport... 

Here are selected P5 opponents from SEC schedules this coming year:

 West Virginia, North Carolina, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, Florida State, UCLA, TCU, Va Tech, and Ga Tech 

Swapping a few for OSU, Michigan and MSU would be a wash, but losing games against the likes of Ga Tech, North Carolina, Clemson, and UCLA for tilts against Rutgers, Purdue, Minny, and Indiana just ain't gonna be an upgrade.  At least from the SEC side of things - it would be an upgrade to the B10 schedule though.  Maybe that's what he means about the SEC only considering things if it benefits themselves.

Comment 01 Jun 2016

Yes, SEC teams play 8 cupcake games that week, and most of them are really bad.  That must be much worse that what others do, right?

Let's look at the B10's Week 1 schedule:  10 cupcakes (I'll give a pass for Bowling Green, but they really are too), including 4 FCS games.  There are 3 P5 teams here, though.  Washington (7-6), Oregon St (2-10) and LSU (9-3).  Ironic that the only opponent in the B10 opening weekend that anyone will talk about is an SEC team.  

SEC teams (in addition to 1 conference game) play North Carolina, West Virginia, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, Florida State, and UCLA.  That's half the conference stepping up in week 1 and playing teams that will or could be ranked next year.

It seems more chickenshit to me to not play anybody until week 3 (if then).  Seriously - the toughest opponent in the whole of the B10 schedules (first 2 weeks) not from the SEC is North Carolina, and then ... Cincinnati?  Maybe Washington I guess.  Sure, you have Oregon, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma in week 3, but who else does anybody play?  The SEC plays more challenging OOC teams in the first week than the whole B10 does all year, and ya'll want to beat your chest over some cupcakes in week 12?  That's the best you can do?  You should focus more on the 8-team conference schedule.  Maybe they'd listen to that - and I'd agree with you.

Comment 01 Jun 2016

In recent years, they have played Michigan and Wisconsin in Dallas (not the North, but not really Alabama's comfort zone), and AT Penn State (which is both).  When's the last time OSU played on an SEC campus (serious question - I don't know)?

Comment 25 May 2016

It may not be true for your circle of people, but I assure you it is for where I live.  One article I found had Alabama as the state with the largest percentage of persons with a conceal-carry license - at a little over 12%.  For the record, I don't currently have one myself - but I did when I was in college.

Comment 18 May 2016

I've never touched the Devil's lettuce but during my college years pretty much everyone I knew had a gun in their vehicle at all times.  Of course mine wasn't stolen - but if you are buying used it's always a possibility.  Maybe that's more of a southern or rural thing, but it is not uncommon at all to find a pistol under someone's driver's seat in the South. 

Comment 18 May 2016

You are right Squirrel - I believe the combine has a rule against allowing people with crimes committed with firearms to perform there.  This may or may not not qualify for that as he wasn't using it to commit a crime (it was just present), but he really shouldn't have put himself in this situation.

RE: guns - it is entirely possible that he bought it from someone and didn't know it was stolen.  If he can show a pawn shop receipt or personal check (long shot, I know) for the purchase, I think this goes away and becomes something akin to what you would expect from any other player caught smoking weed for the first time.  If not, and the felony sticks he's probably gone.

Comment 16 May 2016

I used to keep a spreadsheet on the attrition % of each B10 and SEC school - meaning how many players from a particular signing class were no longer on the team 4 years later (neglecting only players who left early for the NFL or exhausted eligibility).  I did the full conferences for the 2008-2010 classes and half of them for 2011 before I got bored with it and quit.  Here are the (selected) results of that limited timeframe:

SEC Average:  33.5%

B10 Average:  32.1%

Bama:  29.8%

Auburn:  41.1%

LSU:  33.3%

Ole Miss:  37.4%

Florida:  29.6%

Georgia:  35.7%

OSU:  34.4%

Michigan:  40.7%

Wisconsin:  30.6%

Iowa:  40.8%

Michigan State:  24.8%

Northwestern:  17.5%