Thad would definitely make him prove himself on the defensive end of the court first before seeing playing time. Mitchell is unique in the fact that he can play basically all five positions ( I know, center is stretching it a bit) with his size and skill set. At 6 foot 7-8 inches tall and the passing skills of a point guard, I don't think he would have much trouble getting into the lineup. With our inexperienced point guards and lack of depth, Mitchell had a great opportunity to see the court earlier and often this season. Of course that all depended on how his game translated to the next level - high school vs. college.
ZenShade is correct, Derrick Green was never coming to OSU. I remember when Green was 100% crystal-balled to the Good Guys. I'm glad Urban and the staff did their due diligence and offered Zeke. I also remember watching Zeke go from a low 4 Star widely unknown High School RB to a top 5 RB by the end of his senior year. It took awhile for the recruiting services to see what OSU's staff saw. Passing on the # 1 rated RB took some balls. Urban constantly preaches "Fit" when it comes to getting offered by the National Champs. As for Harris, completely different story. We wanted him and missed. Simple as that. He definitely would of given our offense a change of pace back to Zeke. I agree with ZenShade, we will soon be hearing the name "Damien Harris" in the college football landscape.
It would be even worse if J.T. took the blame for someone else. Say someone that has 2 strikes or has been in Urban's dog house in the past. I wholeheartedly doubt this is the case. I just find it hard to believe J.T. out of all the players on the team would make a bone-headed decision that would cost himself and his team. If he was slightly above the legal limit, he may be able to plead down to a Reckless Op and avoid having a OVI on his record. Not sure how Columbus handles OVI's but usually your first offense is a slap on the wrist. Add in the fact he was under age and the consequences may be a little more severe in this case. I would say 6 month license suspension, probation for a year, some type of treatment and evaluation program and if I haven't mentioned before fines and lots of them. Now the team and Urban's penalties will be a completely different story. Hopefully this is a bump in the road and a learning experience for J.T.
Joe B I'd have to disagree with the RB depth. After Zeke there is Dunn and Ball, who are both going to be Seniors. Dunn is currently Zeke's backup and has started to see some playing time. Samuel could always move back from WR/HB. He did start his OSU career there. Then there is Freshman Mike Weber, who I believe would of seen the field and already contributed this year if not for injuries. Add in the 2016 recruiting class currently consisting of Kareem Walker, DeMario McCall and now Antonio Andrews. Finally add in Todd Sibley and at least one other RB in the 2017 class. That's quite a bit of talent and depth sprinkled in with a wide variety of skill sets per player. A 2016 or 2017 recruit would definitely have to take this into consideration. Also the amount of starting NFL talent at the offensive skill positions in general predictably limit the number of touches a player receives.
I would agree we do have a certain segment of the fan base that reiterates the sheer amount of competition on the roster as a popular reason for decommitting or not choosing OSU as their school.
I have to correct you, Swayze, on this spelling error. "Brim" =/ "Birm". Can't let that slide. Might have been that lovely auto-correct feature on your phone. If not, just wanted to point out the mistake and give BIRM the respect he deserves. Swayze, I'm not picking on you at all and certainly didn't mean for this to come off like being a dick. I also completely agree with your comment and appreciated all the hard work Alex put in to provide us the most up to date recruiting news. I couldn't think of a better person than Birm to replace Alex. I believe it worked out for the best concerning all parties.
I could of sworn I heard a couple "Baby Los" comments when they called Weber up to congratulate him. With the way he is built I completely agree with the comparison.
If we're thinking of the same Chris "Beanie" Wells, he grew up in Ohio and played at Akron Garfield if I'm not mistaken.
I would have to disagree between the Hall and Cupp situations. Cupp was not campaigning for MSU to other recruits while at FNL. He did not deceive the MSU coaches and string them along (According to Birm there where several instances that rubbed the OSU staff the wrong way with Hall before his decommitment). I'm sure Cupp was not all decked out in MSU gear while participating in the activities at FNL. One of the biggest differences was the location in which some of this stuff went down. I'll repeat, Cupp was not at MSU sporting OSU gear or talking up recruits about OSU. Cupp certainly didn't skip out and not attend an academic meeting specifically designed for himself - that was Hall. Cupp attended FNL to better himself while competing against some of the best players around. His ultimate goal was to earn a Buckeye offer and not spit in the face of MSU by any means. This may be the homer glasses I'm looking through, but I feel the two situations were completely different in almost all aspects.
I would have to disagree about Apple. It took him a little while to recognize how fast the game was played. You could see that in the beginning half of the season. After he made that adjustment, I think he played above average and was a big part of the defenses' reemergence.
I believe I read a comment about Bosa being able to travel to VT for the game. The comment pertained to him being a leader and contributing from the bench during the game. Technically he is eligible for the game but suspended by UFM if that makes any sense.
The reason Cupp had his offer pulled was b/c he did not inform the MSU staff that he was visiting for FNL's. The other committed players from MSU that attended FNL's that you mentioned, all communicated to the MSU staff they were going to camp/attend FNL at OSU. Therefore their offers were not rescinded. This is what I have heard and read about the Cupp situation. I still agree with you in regards to Dantonio, I have lost respect for a coach that I admired for quite some time.
This was in response to Buckeye3m"s post.
Without looking it up, I think Corey Smith is over 21. He would be the only player out of that group that would be old enough to drink. The only reason I think Smith is over the legal age is b/c he transferred from a Juco college and basically red-shirted a year before playing. This should be his third year in the system if I'm not mistaken.
Quick double-check, and StxBuck is right. 4 total DB's counting EGW and the departure of Dean.
No one said Dino needs to understand what we think or take into account our opinions. But the key word is "opinions". As Silk stated this is a message board, hence the free thought and opinions of our 11 Warriors community. By no means, did I think Dino was going to apologize or re-affirm Cupp's offer simply b/c the prevailing opinion on an OSU message board shines a negative light on his "Old School" recruiting practices.
I would say the OSU staff has determined he is lower on the pecking order, therefore not the best fit or a take right now compared to other WR's on our board. It's been stated in numerous articles that while he does have an offer, it is of the non-commitable type. With the current interested WR targets in the 17 class, we can be extremely picky and possibly focus that "ship" on another position of need in 16.
JEH, where did you hear Cupp tried to contact MSU's coaching staff about the visit but was unable to get a hold of anyone. I've read numerous articles but never came across this tidbit of info. If that is the case, I feel even worse for Cupp. I really hope he lands on his feet and accepts an offer he feels comfortable with that allows him to grow athletically and academically at a school that appreciates him. Dantonio really lost a lot of my respect due to this unfortunate situation. On the bright side, I heard Cupp performed admirably during FNL which he can hang his hat on and continue to camp and get more positive exposure in the future.
This was directed towards TTUN@SS@SIN,
I do agree with your post, however, Washington was actually a bad example to use in your scenario. He gained almost 50 lbs over his senior year and arrived at tOSU around 295 lbs. The OSU staff was extremely surprised but knew he still had the versatility to move around on the line. On a side note, that was one of the meanest DL class of recruits that have rolled through OSU. Just imagine if Noah Spence, Washington, Se'Von Pittman and Tommy Schutt all had several years playing together getting after the QB.
I'd have to disagree when it comes to Brionte starting next year. Even though Samuel has recently been taking reps at WR/HB, I believe the starting job is his to lose. Weber will also have a say in this competition along with the new RB, slash hybrid recruits. I wish the best for him. Also this will be his fifth year in the program (next year after Eze makes the jump) and there is always the possibility of transfer or his decision to hang up the cleats a la Chris Carter and the TE Moore.
Think you meant Weber instead of "Webb" but it appears the OP got to the mistake quicker than I did.
Anyone off the top of their heads have Giddens' measurements, ie. his vertical, wingspan and current height/weight? I know Google is my friend but it's late and I'm lazy. Thanks in advance 11 Warriors.
Everyone seems to forget that it was only two years ago (2013) when ND was playing in the National Championship. I stress the fact that I said playing "In" the BCS Championship game. Not playing "With" Alabama since the score was indicative of the talent discrepancy between the two teams. Tradition and academic prestige seem to be the biggest pulls these days in my opinion.
Edited.....seems other posters had my same train of thought when it came to ND playing AL in the Championship in 2013.
The fact that you are stating a fact and not opinion about a hypothetical situation is ironic. What is your answer if the tables are flipped and JG commits to the good guys but in the last month before signing day after another visit to Rutgers decides to decommit and stay home. We then miss out on all the highly ranked QB's on our board and are "Screwed" as you put it. I believe you accept a commitment from Wallace for example and continue to build and nurture that relationship between OSU, Wallace, his family and our coaches. As Urban always said, a commitment basically means you are in the Top 3 of the respected recruit. You also emphasize Wallace changing his mind in your post. This happens on a pretty regular basis with how young these kids are. Just look at the recruitment of Torrence Gibson. While I believe he never committed to another school there were many ups and downs in his recruitment and numerous times he changed his minds on visits and his top schools of choice. In this day and age, recruitment is so fluid and has changed greatly even over the last couple years. Kids are getting offered at a younger and younger age and the media is having a field day; reporting every tweet and comment from these kids. Minds will undoubtedly change numerous times and it is something Urban and the staff have already adapted to. Last recruiting class had more than a handful of flips to the good guys.
Sorry for the winded response. All I'm saying is if OSU has the opportunity to take the 3rd ranked (247) Dual Threat QB in the nation, I don't believe they should be worried about upsetting other QB recruits or other repercussions that may come along with Tristen's commitment. Now just b/c 247 has him ranked 3rd in the country does not necessarily mean he is top on Urban's board. I would rather avoid another situation like the DeSean Watson patiently waiting debacle and I believe Urban and his staff have learned from that predicament.
But the risk is too high to miss out on both Tristen W and Jarrett G. It was mentioned in an earlier post that we don't want to be in a position to miss out on both and settle for an OSU QB that may not be up to the quality and skill that Urban demands. I don't consider Tristen option B while we are recruiting Jarrett G. His physical attributes are outstanding and he would be a perfect system QB for us. Plus he runs a reported 4.4, which simply can't be ignored. I will admit I have not seen a ton of highlights on Tristen to see how he spins the ball and the touch he has on all passes. I'm going off of pure physical makeup and potential. I simply disagree with your opinion, doesn't mean it's not valid or wrong.
Actually Keyshawn Sr. has had very positive views and opinions when it comes to tOSU. He has followed Michael Thomas' career and has been very proactive - going to games and supporting the OSU coaching staff on Michael's development. I don't think he would be against his son going to OSU at all.
Not sure what priority Hamlin is on our CB board, but having the kicker from his HS team walking on couldn't hurt. Watching Hamlin's highlights, I would say he is a legit top 10 national corner. Looks like PSU is in the driver's seat per 247's Crystal Balls but there is always plenty of time to make up ground.