ha, jeez, feel better man
From this article Breneman recommended himself, he visited all four schools, not just OSU and PSU. For what its worth, I agree that it will likely come down to OSU and Penn State. I don't think the Sandusky scandal will hurt PSU recruiting any further, at least until the federal government wraps up its investigation. While the NCAA is talking big, they are likely to do nothing as most of this is out of their jurisdiction. Apparently the feds must think there is much left to be uncovered, aside from the 50 counts already against Sandusky, and have their eyes on Penn State's role in the matter. From the article, they appear to be looking into "the possibility of a cover-up at Penn State, as well as possible bribes, fraud, or misuse of federal money." From the article, "fraud" can include such statements as "We don't have any unauthorized persons using the training facilities," which we know for a fact Sandusky had been using for some time.
It makes you sick that after knowing what he did, Spanier and company let him have free reign of the place, including watching Paterno's 409th win from the President's box. Given the large amounts of federal dollars that go into a place like Penn State (or Ohio State or anywhere else for that matter), if I was someone considering Penn State as a student I would have to think about it for a second. In that regard, this is a much bigger decision than the football program alone, if knowing you're using the same showers where that happened isn't enough to make your skin crawl (five of the victims were abused in the Lasch building, where the football team calls home). NCAA sanctions and some jokes in poor taste should be the least of your worries, kids. If the university failed to comply with the Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act (the Clery Act for short) as might be suspected by the Department of Education in their investigation, the school could face additional penalties the NCAA could only dream of applying to an institution. Given the nature of what is required under the act, it is not out of the realm of possibility. Even with Sandusky under house arrest and under trial, the Nits aren't out of the woods yet. Not by a long shot.
I don't think Michigan kept us from having a rivalry with Chicago, I think Chicago did. Kind of ironic you say that in a way, given their mascot is about as mythical as yours are in your state. But thank you for the Notre Dame thing - I would have hated to have been subjected to this video any more than I already was as an innocent bystander of your team's rivalry with them :]
While I didn't quite get the Justified reference, when you started talking about Masochism and Brady Hoke, for whatever reason the only thought that came to mind was Brother Silas and the notion that Hoke may be on the verges of starting an Opus Dei cult in M!ch!g@n that would put Scientology recruitment to shame.
While wondering who would be Hart's replacement in way of having a loud mouth, I never put two and two together and thought about some of the "why they're going to suck," great article DJ. Something that came to mind about a recruit that Michigan was going after, after reading "mean streak" as his "must work on's" on Scout was that this is NOT someone that Ohio State would be going so hard after under Meyer. I can't help but think our kids are probably saying some silly things from time to time as well, but under Hoke, this stuff seems to have become common place. I can't help but think, after the Hart years, that there's some sort of karmic retribution scale out there, and that all of this nonsense is going to come back and haunt these kids one day (or, I should probably say, on four days with a potential five pending any redshirts). Aaaaaand there is. And not just in football. Michigan, I'd like you to meet Chris Marinelli, of Stanford.
I hate it, playing up there. The field, excuse my language, the field sucks. The stadium sucks. I think the area sucks. I grew up with a bunch of Irish and Italian Catholic people back home (Boston). And all the Irish Catholic people, all they talk about is Notre Dame this, Notre Dame that. And they've never even been there, ya know. So I hate those guys, I hate that school. We are going out there to mash them up and that's all there is to it.
Those comments seem fairly mild to the homophobic rants offered up by Michigan's lot, and yet Stanford was classy enough to make sure it took Marinelli into the principal's office, give him a spanking, and then made him change his tune:
I would like to apologize to the University of Notre Dame and anybody else who I may have offended from the remarks I made in an interview earlier this week. I was caught up in the emotions of the game and should have been more thoughtful in my comments. The remarks were out of character for me and certainly aren’t reflective of my teammates or anybody else affiliated with the Stanford program. I look forward to a competitive game on Saturday in one of the great environments in college football.
Jim Harbaugh, the coach at the time and a real Michigan man (dude even attended Pioneer High School in AA until his father took a coaching job in California - after coaching under Bo), issued this apology as well:
It is out of character (for Chris), he let his emotion and his passion for this game get the best of him", Harbaugh said. "It is certainly not what I think is in his heart. And its definitely not the view of Stanford football or the university.
I can't help but think if Harbaugh had been the coach at Michigan, the outcome of comments such as Magnuson's or the many others around that time & since would have been much different. The ND captains at the time, also much classier men, were asked about Marinelli's comments and among their responses was this:
Q: David, you don’t want to taunt anybody when you’re up with a three-touchdown lead?
DAVID BRUTON: I’m not going to say anything. I think yeah, if we’re up by three touchdowns, I believe that says enough.
For the record, Notre Dame won the that game. I'd have much more respect for Hoke if he would have stood up and at least said something about all of these comments. Regardless, karma's a b*tch Michigan, and she plans to collect in 267 days. Or sooner - don't forget she likes those other sports too. Rivalries, gotta love 'em!
Certainly a possibility, but how many great recruits did you see come in and subsequently let go while Small was kept on? Absolutely Small had the talent. But at some point, that talent never showed up. He would hurt the team on the field (other than the rare glimpse of that special talent), and off of it as well. Sure, Tressel probably saw he could be a good football player. But I think to him, that was secondary to making the kid a good man first.
One of the things that pains me most about situations like this is the national media (or the UM fans) then turning it around into a failing of Coach Tress. Johnny, as a HS teacher you know there's some kids you can't reach, for all that you might try to do. My mom (a HS teacher herself) often calls with frustrations about just these types of kids. One rationale I remember early on as Tressel's thought process in Tatgate was that of a teacher. My mom has had kids that if she sent them to the office, as per the rules, they would have gotten that one last out of school suspension fo a few more days that would have meant they were over the number of days they could make up to graduate (or pass the year). So rather than do that, she had them scrape gum off from under desks and wash chalkboards, vacuum the classroom, etc for a week. If ESPN cared about HS education and she taught at OSU, she would likely be the labled the Anti-Christ. Tressel probably thought something along the same lines - better he punish and handle the situation then pass it along and those kids get the shaft and learn nothing from it. Unfortunately, that's what ended up happening anyways, and he lost his job. That is, of course, giving him the benefit of the doubt in that situation. The guy messed up, and even if he might have been thrown under the bus a bit, end of the day, he did something he shouldn't have and paid for it.
In the case of Small and others like him, he did the same thing time and again. Truth be told, what did Small ever contribute, positive, to the FB team? For all the talk about Tress putting up with TP because he was the star, he did it on more than one occasion with kids that weren't nearly as valuable. This as opposed to Jimmy Johnson who would openly torment some players giving much better treatment to others. One quote I remember was that if a special team's scrub was sleeping in a team meeting, that guy was gone. If Emmitt Smith was caught asleep, he'd get Smith a pillow. At the college level, Bowden would often say the same thing. Curfew violation for Sebastian Janikowski? Bowden had the "Warsaw Rule":
Bowden joked that because Janikowski is from Poland, he is subject to a different code of conduct.
Being from Poland, having won the Groza award, same difference. He was another of the coaching fraternity that would have maybe helped along a kid like TP, but Small would have been gone a long time ago. Many, many coaches wouldn't have given Small nearly as many chances, especially after that potential never truly materialized. Tressel had a soft spot for these kids, and unfortunately in some cases it didn't work out. Or did they? In Clarett's case, it's finally sinking in. It's a shame it is going to take prison to do the same with Small, but hopefully he will be come a positive force after all of this as well. Although after all those chances, I can't imagine he has too many left.
Love Greg, but after some great hoops opportunities, $23 million in the bank (+/- depending on how good his accountant is), and being seen as a "bigger man" than Brett Favre after his photos came out... think he'll be okay DJ. Remember meeting Oden on campus before, and really, such a humble and likeable fellow.
And I'm sorry, but I have to go there - after watching the youtube video of Russell and Oden, given Bill got a dye job, who would you say was older? Quick, someone with photo shop... Greg Oden|Curious Case of Benjamin Button movie poster stat!
One thing that I was a little concerned about, it doesn't seem we have his major? From his sophomore year:
“First off, I'm looking for a school that has my major, which I believe will be sports journalism,” said the Bloomfield star. “Secondly, I'm looking for a school that has a nice campus, with nice facilities and also has a nice feel to it. Lastly, I'm looking for a good coaching staff that’s going to make me work hard and push me to my limit.”
Seems like a good kid, and he's really consistent on that point of his first college priority (very admirable). Granted, we do have a decent journalism program, and this website seems to say we have Sports Journalism (oh wait, differen't Ohio silly me ha its that Hoke guy he confuses me). Our school of communication looks more than decent. There don't seem to be a lot of sports journalism specific programs (another list) other than Penn State he's looking at right now (The John Curley Center for Sports Journalism). Apparently Florida also has a good program, and he just got an offer from them ($, info in header).
Hope we can still reel him in with this being so important to him, but it does make me nervous that the Gators might flex their "Erin Andrews is an alumni!" street cred. Erin Andrews or this guy, hmmmm... who would sway me more as an 18 year old (okay even today). Quick who do we have? A Pulitzer winner? Perfect! Take that Florida - Andrews wasn't even the sexiest sportscaster award winner, ha! How do you like our chances Alex?
My apologies, as I'm sure you're sick and tired of the subject already (obviously here on this end, we didn't follow the subject nearly as closely). From an outside looking in perspective, that's just the way I see it. No personal attacks (other than Petrino who seems to be a tool, per Mallet's mom), just saying that past history indicates Mallet wasn't his type of guy, and that it would make sense for Rod to "reach out," but not be overly sad if Mallet left and he got a head start on installing his offense. Which, as nicely showcased by our well versed author, failed in large part because of his inability to adapt. Something I see as a possible reason for a perhaps less than ardent pursuit of Mallet, who did not fit his offense, one which could not tailor to better suit that player's talents (much unlike the current UM staff, which has so far blown away my expectations and I'm sure those of many Wolverine fans). I agree though, Rodriguez may have been facing an uphill battle that would have made this point moot.
Not only is the rivalry back, but until we see how Hoke & Co. do this year with a seemingly tougher schedule (and how Meyer shakes off the rust), I'm more than a little nervous. Thanks as always for your rational insight on the other side M Man!
Absolutely. And if I was those guys, I wouldn't complain either. But I think you miss the point of what I was trying to say. For every graduate from Julliard who makes it big, there's a bunch who are waiting tables, or at best doing something much less glamorous with their education. Those that have the life skills to do much of anything else. Think about American sports, and how many kids actually make it big:
Football: .09% or about one in 1,000
Men’s Basketball: .03% or about one in 3,400
Women’s Basketball: .02% or about one in 5,000
Baseball: .5%, or about one in 200.
No idea the statistics for hippy soccer over across the pond, but lets say they're along the lines of real football. For every Fernando Torres, there's 999 other kids who didn't make it big. And those are the ones I care most about - possible "eccentric" personality traits aside, at least the individuals you mentioned should be set financially.
4.64 forty as a QB is just "good"? You're a hard man to please, Alex :]
That and a lot of great points you make aside, I think the athletics acadamies are a horrible idea. First that come to mind are comments like this:
"I've trained until I cried many times," one small boy says as he takes time out from gym practice. "Sometimes we have to stand on our hands for half an hour."
"The training was pretty tough, especially during leg stretching," Cheng's mother recalls. "She cried crazily, like she was dying. Her father and I accompanied her and our hearts almost broke into pieces when she cried that heart-wrenchingly."
Which reading behind the subtext of "oh this makes them stronger," these are children. I'm all for OSU football players, now young men all of them, crying after their first few work outs with Marotti. But not small children. In my humble opinion, that's abuse. A lot of these kids being children who come from poor families that now rarely see their children. The cruelty of the system, as one article about the Chinese system notes, was that you bring all these kids in, yet so few of them really make it. Said best by one of the athletes who came out of a Chinese sports factory:
"We lose our childhoods and for what purpose? Most of us never make it, and we're left with not very much at all."
Okay, you say. That's China. China bad on human rights, big news there.
First, I conceed the point that our educational system in the US sucks. It could be a lot better. That's a different discussion for another day. Then I submit to you your own article cited, where a club signed a 7 year old. Many would look at, say, a Terrelle Pryor, and think "that guy was doomed before setting foot on campus, as spoiled as he was all those years for being a good athlete." Now imagine the type of individual you create when you start with that nonsense at the ripe old age of 7. From what I gathered in the article the family was not relocated for the child but because of his dad's work, but its not another great leap to say that breaking up families (and taking advantage of some of the poor along the way to do so) would be another issue. Finally leading us to revisit the quote of the gentleman, above. You ruin the childhoods these kids might have otherwise have had, for what reason? Yes, you'll have some that become phenominal, Tiger Woods like athletes. My main issue, however, is what you create off the field. Besides robots who are a little out of touch, you produce someone with less of a skill set to succeed in the real world when their sports dreams end (which for most will not be in professional glory). Not to mention the education isn't all its cracked up to be. Bringing it a lil' closer to home, we do have something similar in the United States to compare to, actually a very good comparision when you think about it:
"People are waiting in line for the few jobs that do exist. The situation is precarious." A graduate auditioning for a seat in a major American orchestra these days typically faces 100 or more competitors for the same job.
What does that sound like? Close enough? So then, here in America, we must have to have similar problems as other countries that offer specialist training to kids who may not make it (much to no fault of their own). What about those kids? What happens with them when they are done with their training?
He needed a day job. But a Juilliard degree had not prepared him for much besides playing. "When you go to a conservatory, something as specialized as that, you're basically from a different planet."
First off, great article and analysis. One thing though - while Rodriguez is/was no Senator, I would point to the overwhelming evidence that points to him not being a good cultural fit from the begining, and not being given all the tools needed to do well. On one hand, Michigan was foolish not to take the company line OSU has now with giving Urbz all the cash money he needs to get the best coaches for the program. On the other, you have this general atmosphere that would give anyone a hard time from the onset. Take for example words such as this which I reference in a comment below:
“At the Capital One Bowl, we were trying to smooth things out, and we talked to Coach Carr,” Jim Mallett, Ryan’s dad, said. “I asked him, ‘Coach, next to my dad, you’re the classiest person I’ve ever been around. What would you do if Ryan was your son? He said, ‘If I was in that situation, with a different offense, he needs to leave.’ ”
Honestly, who tells a kid at a program they are supposedly loyal to they're better off peacing out? I applaud someone being honest about such things, but if anything, they would try to keep all the talent they could in house to give the next guy something to cook with - even if they didn't buy the ingredients. Short of winning at a much, much higher clip, the guy was doomed. That his offense was too flawed to overcome a defense run by individuals who were not his first choice (and those special teams, oi vey) just went to seal the deal. Does make me feel slightly better as I think Urban is a better coach with respect to adapting to talent. Alex Smith has significantly different tools to work with than Tim Tebow, and yet Urban was able to have great results with both kids. Maybe a future topic to write about Ross - why Urban did so poorly his last year with the Gators, and how this will or will not reflect on how he will do at Ohio State.
Ryan Mallett, that's it, sorry was running late for Epidemiology. 11W - responsible in at least some part for my current "B" in the class.
Anyways, I agree he is not the athlete say, a Terrelle Pryor is. That said, he's reasonably along the lines of athlete that, say, a Mr. Brady (who ran a blazing 5.23 from what I have gathered from various websites). I won't get into the whole, raw athleticism not being the best measure of who is going to end up married to a super model living in a multi-million dollar mansion after several championships debate, but we all know that in the right "system," a QB like Mallett could do very well. Heck, you could say he managed to overcome that "line-man" slow speed and do decently well for himself while at Arkansas. However as is the point of this article, Rich Rod was not someone who would conform his offense like Borges has with Denard to make the most of what he has. While at WVU, he obviously had his prototype QB. But even before then, he had an affinity for athletic, mobile guys (Brandon Streeter and Woodrow Dantzler were not as different IMO as the Clemson site suggests - both could move their feet pretty well). Shaun King was also someone who could move around well.
So given Mallett did not fit in as his "prototype" or ideal QB, I have to wonder how hard Rodriguez pursued Mallett. I'm sure he "reached out" - he would have looked like an idiot not to have. That said, look at the work Meyer put in convincing Dunn that his option would work with the kids talents - that, my friends, is what convincing someone they will work in your offense is all about. Loeffler leaving was a blow, but just like how Dunn thought he was a better fit for Walrusball than Meyer's spread but was won back, so to could have Rich if he had really wanted to - but of course that's just amateur criminal profiling from someone who wasn't there. No one other than Rodriguez himself would know for sure. The phrase "reaching out" is as much coachspeak as anything else I've ever heard (and as Buckeye fans, we've heard some of the best - I imagine this is probably the biggest deficit in Coaching: Football since Tress left). Maybe you're right the culture shock of Texas to Michigan was too much, or Mallett is just a dick. Personally, I'm glad we didn't see more of this than we did. But from what I gathered, it was as much as anything him being a round peg in Rod's square hole that did in his Michigan career as much as anything else. And these statements tend to also point towards that conclusion:
“Ryan’s the one who called (Rich Rod),” Jim Mallett continued. “He said, “Can I talk about the offense?’ And then he told me, ‘Daddy, (Rodriguez) never looked me in the eye.’ He never visited with the family, he didn’t talk to us. I never met the man. But hey, it wasn’t a fit. Let’s move on.”
I don't think Mallett to Arkansas was a foregone conclusion.
“Bobby Petrino was the polar opposite of Lloyd Carr, who is the warmest, sweetest man,” Debbie Mallett said.
So Rodriguez was even going up against someone who the kid's mom was an a-hole. All of that just to say, not only did Rich fail to adapt his offense to defenses figuring it out, but he failed in trying to adapt to the talent he inherited. Criminal profile + additional statements from victims + failure to adapt offense + additional eye witness accounts = conviction. Sentence? Having to coach at Arizona.
And yes I will do my best to keep comments to a less than 10,000 word count from now on, my bad haha
Question for you M Man - didn't Hot Rod have a great quarterback as he came in to the program that ended up transfering to Arkansas? His name eludes me as I run to class, but the point being that would have been his best recruit in the time he was there if he had gotten the kid to stay, and had been able to adapt to that QB's skill set as Tress did (to some degree of success or another) going from Troy to the Todd to the Tattoo.
Alex or Jeremy could probably do a better job of explaining than I, but to the best of my knowledge, an offer is an offer. The reason between the two is semantics - and recruiting philosophy. Take Tress for example. He would only offer a select few kids, with the mind set that if you got an offer from OSU, it was a contract and a commitment to you. Which is a great way to go about it, as you don't usually have to worry about oversigning or telling kids their spot is taken up. You offer, get a yes/no essentially, and move on (see the Nick Montana recruitment as an example of how this philosphy played out, for better or for worse).
Other coaches like Meyer and Hoke seem to carpet bomb offers, almost to make sure they are "keeping up with the Jones's." There's a sense of loyalty to the first school that offers you, and of course a better opportunity to build a strong relationship with a recruit the earlier on you offer. That said, I think it cheapens what an offer is to have them be "commitable" or "not commitable." I don't think this was the case with Neal as has been mentioned in other articles/forum posts, but it certainly has been with a lot of other kids, for better or for worse. On one hand, it is an interesting strategy Urbz is taking with some Ohio kids. In a way, it means that an offer to an Ohio kid is a "commitable offer." On the other hand, it gives other school from out of state a leg up on recruiting. Having seen kids like Jordan Hicks et al leave the state in the past, I think Urban needs to be careful with how he goes about this tactic, as not every one of Ohio's sons will be so accomodating to his apparent strategy.
And as I read this I wondered immediately if you had not clicked on the link provided in the above article pertaining to this. And having done so, how many times during the reading of the listed tweats you shook your head wondering aloud to all that might hear, "how do they take my thoughts and put them on the screen this way? get out of my head, you evil tumblr you!"
Awesome. Good stuff btw DJ, have to say I agree - as I look outside my house across to the medical center and see the audacious new banner that reads "Thank you, Les!" Granted, I think I'm cool with money donated towards something that will equate to I don't know should I have a heart attack or get hit by a truck perhaps living to tell about it. Rather than, say, blown on booze and strippers. Unless of course the booze and strippers are for me. In which case, high fives all around, here's hoping I don't have a heart attack or get hit by a truck!
I could not agree more that individuals have to have some accountability in their lives. At some point, you have to point the finger at yourself. That said, we all know teens aren't quite there yet with regards to maturity - it doesn't take some fancy studies to show it. Its for this reason that you have to feel sorry for these kids. Here you have an adult, that seemingly their coaches knew full well about and did nothing to stop, offering them all sorts of things kids want like I don't know cars/booze / women / abortions / video games /jewelry and such. Yes, they know the "rules," but when their role models - older players and coaches - are either looking away or taking part themselves, what are they supposed to think? I applaud the kids who didn't take anything from the guy, but I can only fault so much the kids who did, if for no other reason than, again, they are kids.
The teenage brain is not just an adult brain with fewer miles on it,” says Frances E. Jensen, a professor of neurology. “It’s a paradoxical time of development. These are people with very sharp brains, but they’re not quite sure what to do with them. - Frances E. Jensen, Professor of Neurology, Harvard
All that again just to say let's make sure we point the finger at the people who really are to blame. The adults - people like Shapiro, and those who let this happen under their watch.
Funny you should mention that. I wonder then why people don't just refer to one Miami as MU and the other as UM, rather than Miami (OH) vs. Miami (FL)? Oh, because nobody cares <facepalm>
Oh and while the article linked above says they only had the Nutritionist since '07, pretty sure that's a mistake because Mad Dog put one in way before then before following Brown to UT. Which goes again to show how important these guys are, when Brown and Meyer drag them along each coaching stop.
And yes, of course, I agree - traditional media being in any way incorrect, a ridiculous notion I know.
Count me in as one of those shocked that we did not have one already. Florida's had one for as long as I remember, and I remember going to football camps in the late nineties at UNC (back during the Mack Brown era, this was interesting from '07) where they had one as well. That along with the training table "concept" that OSU is apparently just now starting to grasp. Really makes you think - if we have been as good as we have without this great of a program to maximize the talents of our athletes, can you imagine what we will be like in the years to come? Not to like, ridiculously raise expecations or anything <cough twentygazillion national championships cough>
I'm really confused by the Friday cravings. Is someone pregnant? If so, congratulations!! Awwww, babies (or cute video of a baby offense)! Just promise now that you're out in California you won't make the mistake of naming your little one something you might regret later if circumstances change. And for the love of God, don't drink while you're pregnant.
I'm the same age as Tom Brady. And don't have a supermodel wife, championship rings, or live in a mansion. It's all I can do not to feel like the biggest failure and disappointment to my parents either - I feel ya brother. Bro Hug.
Another well written piece by Ramzy. I wonder 1) how long it is going to take for the Big Ten to catch on to what it takes to win, and 2) how long it takes for more to jump on the "unethical" bandwagon. One quality I think inherent to human nature is that if not careful, we tend to rise (or lower) ourselves to the level of competition around us. That's been Tressel the last ten years. Around the conference, winning the Big Ten was the end all and be all. Reading articles by "basement bloggers" and "real media" alike since Bret opened his trap, it was interesting to note how most focused on BB's Big Ten Championship and Rose Bowl appearance - not so much on the Rose Bowl loss or lack of a national presence. This has been something of a theme, in that the local media sees this as hey, pretty damn good.
Whereas, as has been pointed out, Urban will settle for nothing less than a MNC as his primary goal going into each season (much like his former conference mates). Along with a win against the school up north of course. This is certainly one area where I can't wait to be more like the SEC - it is just interesting if the Big Ten follows in line. It is telling that Mr. Hoke, also known as Howard Stern's former sidekick, was one of the first to see the light. With the Big Two leading the way, the Little Ten almost have no choice but to follow suit. Its either rise to the level of the highest quality teams the conference has to offer, or be embarrased by them on a regular basis en route to their fifth tier bowl game (which may not be around much longer). At least we can hope they rise up. The alternative is a witch hunt decrying Urban as an unethical cheater, an oversigner, so on and so forth - something four year scholarships will hopefully help avoid. That and folks like Ramzy calling them wusses on a regular basis.