I can live with the Bucks at #5. Hopefully Sparty beats Oregon & loses to us. If we win all our games, we should be in the playoffs.
@Drake008 - https://www.facebook.com/jocelyn.smallwood/posts/2286388165784?fref=nf
Also, at the end of the article referenced by CITRUS, and written by Thomas A. Fine, it is footnote number 3.
Not a problem, Drake008. Thanks for your input. It probably should be a forum (a little long for this comment section).
@Citrus - Bless you for posting that article. The attached references include the letter by my neice, nicknamed "Donk". I'm damn proud of her, and have attached her letter to Dr. Drake. ( https://www.facebook.com/jocelyn.smallwood/posts/2286388165784?fref=nf )
"A Letter from Donk."
Dear Dr. Drake, Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. J,
I have spent a great amount of time the past few days weighing whether or not I should write to you. I ultimately chose to do so only because I felt my comments would add a unique and valuable perspective to the conversation regarding the recent dismissal of Jonathan Waters. Like several of my female colleagues in the band, my name was included in the 23-page report released last week. However, so far as I know, I was one of the few who were actually interviewed during the investigation.
While I take issue with much of the report that was compiled by the university, my greatest concern was echoed recently by several of my female colleagues in the band. Many of us were surprised to find ourselves included in a list of “sexually explicit” nicknames. Even more surprising to me was that at no time during my interview can I remember being asked about the details of my nickname, the circumstances under which it was given to me, or, perhaps most important, my feelings about my nickname. While the authors of the report may feel confident in their ability to draw their own conclusions about the feelings, opinions and intentions of others without asking them, I would argue that in this case, their clairvoyance has failed them miserably. Thus, I feel it is my right and duty to clear up several issues about the fourth name listed in the report: Donk.
Donk is not a malicious or offensive nickname. Donk is a person. Donk is a five-year member of the band, a former i-dotter, and a two-time squad leader of KL-Row, which also happens to be a predominately male row. Donk is a daughter, sister, friend, a woman and, most importantly, an independent, clear-minded person. Donk is not a moniker that was placed upon me without my consent, and it is most certainly not something of which I am ashamed.
What angers me the most is that, in spite of my feelings, I along with several others on the list have been mischaracterized as victims of “sexual harassment” without being asked directly for our input. Never in my life have I felt uncomfortable being known as Donk. It has appeared on shirts, social media, in papers for classes; in the label I stuck in my band hat and on a piece of duct tape in my raincoat not because it is a joke, but because it is my name. It is who I am.
Although when I say “never in my life,” what I really mean is never before last Thursday. I now find my nickname listed in myriad news reports as proof of the alleged horrible, sexually aggressive culture of the OSUMB. While I am just as disappointed in the media for not bothering to do their homework, I would hope that a report dealing with an issue as serious as terminating the employment of one of the university’s most visible, respected figures would have been undertaken with more care. In my five years in the band and since my graduation, I’ve discussed my nickname and where it came from with my friends, family, coworkers, bosses, alumni and random people passing me on the street. Odd then, that seemingly the only people who were uninterested in learning more about my nickname were those responsible for putting together a report about sexual harassment in the band.
But, at the center of this issue is an investigation that I feel was deeply flawed and executed with great carelessness and little concern for finding the truth. As someone with a deep understanding of the band, I would think that the hour I spent in the interview would have been used to gather the information I have about these issues and experiences. But as I recall, I was asked only a few general questions about the majority of the content in this report. Had you asked me, I could have told you that many of the examples in the report occurred long before Jonathan Waters was director. I could have told you that before we name rookies, we speak to each of them individually to ensure that nothing in their name touches upon any area they might find offensive. Had you bothered to ask, I could have told you that a large amount of the evidence on which the report relies is outdated or inaccurate. Or, perhaps, that is why they didn’t ask me?
I am well aware of the fact that the opinions of individuals often differ greatly. And I would guess that few people are making the argument that there is nothing in the culture of the band that needed to change. I am also certain that you have heard numerous examples of how the man you fired last week was the fiercest advocate for culture change in the band, joined in his efforts by Chris Hoch and Mike Smith and the majority of the band members. And had I been asked, I also could have offered numerous examples.
The truth is that this band makes strong women. It makes strong, smart, witty, confident and, therefore, beautiful women. As I have said before publicly, this band creates strong women because it treats us as equals. To make the band, individuals must be proficient in two areas: they must play well and march well. Gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, political view and socioeconomic status do not matter. In November, 2012, an African-American woman named Donk dotted-the-i against Michigan. It wasn’t because the men in my section decided to let me. It was because I worked hard and emerged on top. And on November 24th, when I realized my dream in front of more than 105,000 screaming fans, my fellow band members celebrated alongside me, not because I had broken a gender/racial barrier, but because we’re family and that’s what we do. Appropriately, last Thursday night, I once again found myself being supported by those same people. They are not nicknames on a list. They are not details in an investigation. They are not examples of harassment. They are my family. And the report does little justice to the truth that this band supports and nurtures women.
Please do not insult me as an individual by suggesting that I am so ignorant and so helpless that I somehow have managed to spend five years being consistently sexually harassed and not realize it. Do not treat my name as something that should be condemned when it is something I will continue to wear as a badge of pride.
There are negative things in our world—this is a fact of life. That does not mean that nothing can or should be done about them. However, it seems a shortsighted response to paint an entire organization with a broad brush when you only bothered to interview a handful of people about what has happened. The characterization of my name is simply one facet of this carelessness.
In closing, I still care deeply not only for the band, but for my university. That is why I write to you. The manner in which this report was put together is alarming. And if it is alarming to a twenty-three year old recent college graduate, I would hope that after hearing my story you as leaders, would, at the very least, look at this report and the manner in which it was produced with more scrutiny than you have up to the present time. Good management decisions must be based on accurate, well-researched, timely information. The report produced by the University’s compliance office, which served as the basis for the decision to fire Jonathan Waters, was none of those things.
I hope that in the future I can continue to serve my band, my university and community with pride and honor, and I will do so as a proud alumna both of this institution and of its band. Someday, if I am lucky enough to have children, I hope that I can share a love for Ohio State with them, just as my parents did with me. To echo the sentiment of another band alum I heard recently, I am certain with every fiber of my being, that if I have a daughter who wants to try out for this band, I will drive her across the country to try out. Moreover, when I do, I will make sure that she knows her value is not determined by what is said in a report, or in the news, or behind closed doors in a meeting. For that, I will tell her, look within yourself.
Give him time.
Yes. Under conditions that he fulfill whatever guidelines the university wants to get the band to where they think it should be so this doesn't happen again.
I wouldn't count on that.
Either again, or still.
Don't quite understand the down vote. Oden has admitted to a prior drinking problem when he was recovering from his knee injury. I was merely speculating that perhaps he was still struggling with that.
Or perhaps the most ridiculous part of it all - having to sit out pro games while being suspended for what he did in college. Sat out more games than Ray Rice.
Perhaps you think you can do both, then the reality of the workload during 2-a-days hits you.
Well played, sir!
My memory is of Herb Williams being on the 1st OSU BB team I followed.
Damn good question. And he said he's from Wall, New Jersey. Wall is in South Dakaota. Everyone knows that.
Let's give him the Spanish Inquisition. No one expects that.
(Another Monty Python reference again, Rock.)
Only if they break.
You are hereby required to watch Monty Python & the Holy Grail. Then you'll know the crucial differences in the air speed velocity of an African vs. European swallow (laden or not). And you'll have a leg up on our silliness here at 11W. Welcome aboard.
I like you already.
I feel bad for the girl & I'm disgusted by him. A man walks away. Walk away, walk away, walk away.....
@Tater - And I'm showing my age! I feel blessed to have seen Archie when I was in high school. For what it's worth, I think Clarett is the closest thing I've personally seen (in an OSU uniform) to Archie. They both had this shifty almost crab-like subtle lateral step movement and then this instant acceleration. Clarett may have been a little stronger and more willing to hit someone, but dear God, Archie would make you look stupid, grasping at air. I was so disappointed that Clarett didn't get 3 years. Definately think he would have had a Heisman.
@AndyVance - I have a neice (the one interviewed on the 2 local stations, i.e. "Donk") who was a sousaphone player & "I" dotter for the home Michigan game in 2012. Was in the band for 5 years. She was also one of the students interviewed by OSU. They asked very narrow, selective questions and never ONCE asked her about the "culture" of the band. According to her:
1. Waters was making changes. Their nickname for him was "the Fun Police" because he was cracking down on things.
2. They never asked her about her nickname or how she felt about it. Or the fact that my sister & brother in law proudly wore their Mom & Dad of Donk shirts to games & events. Both are lawyers & donators to the university. Do you think they might have spoken up if they thought there was a problem?
3. My neice has said the band culture has never been anything but supportive. That bit cited about how few women are in the band? Military style marching bands attract far more men (lugging around bigger instuments than the average band or marching band). Well, guess what? A far greater percent of squad leaders are female than are represented in the band. Again mis-represented in the report.
4. The students adored him & want him back.
5. It's hard to grow up in a culture (22 years for Waters) and always see it as the outside world sees it.
6. She absolutely feels this is Title IX related. OSU has to investigate, come to a conclusion & act upon it within 60 days of a complaint, or the federal Government can get involved. Canning Waters keeps the feds way. For a passionate and accurate defense of this point of view, go to M Man's account and look through his comments on day one of this fiasco. He nails it.
Ok. Then I get Archie. Next.
M Man made his comments on the other York post also on this site.
Well said, Hodge. You beat me to it by 20 minutes. I've noticed over the last 2 years, that as 11W has grown & welcomed in more & more new members, that the discourse with our non-OSU contributors has gotten testier. We're very quick to downvote, and take offense. Even to well thought out & well articulated points. Unfortunately, a lot of 11Wers don't know M Man's (and others) contributions to this site, as they bring the enemy's perspective to us & give us some damn good arguments to chew over. Especially during the off-season! Actually, because of M Man, I lurk around Mgoblog and a Nebraska site, and had some really good interaction on a Nebraska site. I may do the same with Maryland & Rutgers this year.
@ Michael Citro - I think you & I may be of a similar age (55 here). I've really enjoyed your articles. Thanks for the work you put in! I have said for a while that - 1. The Game should be moved back to the week before Thanksgiving to give the students the best chance of seeing The Game and also their families. 2. Then a bye week on Thanksgiving weekend will help everyone to prepare for the B1G Championship game. 3. If The Game stays on Thanksgiving weekend, the B1G Championship game needs moved back a week so it's 2 weeks after OSU-UM. 4. The B1G should allow full throttle scimmages among any B1G teams (preferably those that have not played each other during the season), 1 - 2 weeks after the B1G Championship game to help them prepare for any bowl games ( if we are more successful in the bowl games it helps the perception of the conference & therefore OSU). 5. I don't have a strong feeling for noon or 3:30 kickoff for The Game, but THE GAME MUST FOREVER AND ALWAYS BE THE LAST REGULAR SEASON GAME!
Bite your tongue!