Hilarious. Here's a YouTube link so you don't have to deal with the ads that crash your computer and the teeny tiny part of the screen where they allow the actual story.
There was only one alleged victim in the Duke case and it turned out that everything she said was a complete fabrication and the accused did absolutely nothing wrong. Crystal Mangum, however, killed her boyfriend a few years later and is in jail for a few years for it.
The villain in the piece is Mike Nifong, the DA who knowingly lied and withheld exculpatory evidence.
That is so embarrassing. And how long is it going to take before someone replaces the footage with the Appy State game, Hoke eating donuts and the end of the Michigan State game?
And what are the rules on student athletes being in a video like this? It looks like this "Bailey" chap is getting paid. Harbaugh is likely getting paid, as that's a sample of his voice, apparently. Even if the players aren't getting paid, are they allowed to show up in this video the way they do?
This TTUN video is better. How high in the polls can the 2007 team go?
I love hearing that there is so much fire in his belly. I agree that we need our team to play more like a team.
Agreed. It's like helping the mob. Once you do your first favor for Fat Tony, there's no getting out.
They can't all be lying.
The kid who told Paterno that Sandusky raped him way back in 1971 was lying?
What about Curley telling the others that he discussed the 1998 shower rape with Paterno?
What about McQueary, who told Paterno in 2001 that Sandusky raped a boy in the shower?
Paterno had the power to stop it all. He chose not to. He chose to protect Sandusky's access to the showers.
You're not persuaded by the first-hand testimony?
It was my impression that most people were like me: waiting to hear from Schiano and the school and Urban. Like most of the people in this thread, I am satisfied with the story as we currently understand it.
Are you sure? Paterno knew in 1971.
There are now two allegations by men who say they were sexually abused by Jerry Sandusky, who also say they reported their abuse to the legendary coach in the 1970s.One of those allegations was made public in a court orderrelated to a lawsuit Penn State University filed against its former insurer over who should have to pay settlements to the more than 30 men who have come forward as victims of Sandusky. The victim was not identified, and the details come from a deposition that is sealed.
The other has spoken to CNN, in great detail, explaining how he was a troubled young kid in 1971 when he was raped in a Penn State bathroom by Jerry Sandusky. Then, he says, his complaint about it was ignored by Paterno.
For this story, we'll call him Victim A -- in keeping with the way that authorities have labeled the Sandusky accusers.
"I'd be willing to sit on a witness stand and confront Joe Paterno," he told CNN last year. "Unfortunately he died and I didn't get to."
He also knew in 1976.
The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
The order also cites separate references in 1987 and 1988 in which unnamed assistant coaches witnessed inappropriate contact between Sandusky and unidentified children, and a 1988 case that was supposedly referred to Penn State's athletic director at the time.
Paterno knew and he took steps to keep Sandusky around and to make sure the guy didn't have to turn in his key to the shower.
If you're going to report this kind of matter to a "higher-up," it should be done AFTER you call the police. I can't imagine Mike McQueary seeing Sandusky rape that boy, then run to his office to compose a memo for Paterno, THEN dialing 911.
I did not attend Penn State, but everywhere else I have been, the university police are real police at public schools. I know of at least one private school where the "cops" were not cops.
I agree with you about going to the media if you know beyond all doubt first-hand that a person has done something that evil. The sad irony is that if Paterno had gone to the police or raised a stink in the media, he would be seen as an even bigger deity than he was.
I'm not judging Schiano at the moment either, but if a "nobody coach" walks in on an elderly man raping a child, his first instinct should be to call the police, if not hit the man in the head with something heavy.
Any individual who witnesses unambiguous child rape and does not report it to the police bears some fault in my view. I don't care whether such an individual tells a boss or a co-worker in the break room.
As for your other question, McQueary said that he guessed the boy in the shower was ten years old. There's a big difference between an eighteen-year-old boy and a ten-year-old one. This is why a person should call the police when they witness something crazy such as this.
There's another point, too. Unfortunately, I have no first-hand experience, but couples often engage in sexual activity in cars, behind bushes and in other places where others aren't exactly psyched to see such activity. When we see excessive PDA, most people sigh and walk past. They're not disturbed. An even better parallel is walking on a couple in flagrante delicto at a party. We just say, "Sorry!" and close the door.
The Sandusky witnesses are all disturbed because they knew it wasn't a good, old-fashioned PDA sesh.
I agree, we are all waiting for more facts to come out before we make any judgments.
However, you say "He reported the issue." Anyone who walks in on a grown adult raping a child and knows what is going on beyond all doubt has a duty to report the matter to the police immediately. "Reporting" to a boss does not count.
So? Then the police get the criticism. Right now, we are talking about a group of people (which may or may not include Schiano) who witnessed child rape and did not at least call the police.
As I have said elsewhere on the thread, yes. We are all waiting for Schiano to make a statement before we judge him in the matter. I did not say that he "saw something and did nothing."
I am talking about the people who did see Sandusky raping kids. They should have called the police. They didn't. Anyone who sees that kind of unambiguous activity should call the police.
I'm not sure what you are saying. If we witness child rape, we shouldn't call the police?
And maybe the case wouldn't have been dropped if a parade of witnesses had contacted the police to talk about how they saw Jerry Sandusky raping boys in the shower.
University police are real police everywhere I've ever been. Either way, the buck needs to be passed to law enforcement professionals, not someone who has no training in dealing with this kind of situation. If McQueary had called the police immediately and the police botched the investigation, then I would likely let McQueary off the hook.
And the sheer number of people who saw Sandusky raping kids is outrageous. Perhaps the 1997 (I think) investigation was flawed. But the guy was harming children at Penn State for at least 30 years. There should have been tons of investigations.
Wow. I didn't know this, but mandatory reporting laws date back to the 1960s.
Child abuse captured the country's attention again in 1962, when an article appearing in the Journal of the American Medical Association described symptoms of child abuse and deemed child abuse to be medically diagnosable. Within 10 years, every state had statutes known as "mandatory reporting" laws. Mandatory reporting laws require certain professionals, such as doctors and teachers, to report suspected child abuse to the state child protective services agency or other proper authorities. A 1974 federal law, the Child Abuse Prevention & Treatment Act (CAPTA), further bolstered efforts to eliminate child abuse by funding programs to help individuals identify and report child abuse and to provide shelter and other protective services to victims. However, child abuse continues despite these and subsequent child abuse prevention laws.
I'm aware. I modernized my statement to reinforce what we should do in 2016.
How about this:
Failing to run to a phone booth, look up the number of the local police department and drop a dime into the coin slot is the same as doing nothing. We're talking about child rape. Anyone who witnessed it needs to call the police, not stroke their righteous sideburns while asking that hot young lady in the secretary pool whether they should send a telegram to the wood-paneled office of the hippest, grooviest middle manager around.
A person who witnesses child rape should report it to the police. Not to HR. People like McQueary did not witness Sandusky stealing a whole pack of Post-its. They saw him raping a child.
Failing to call the police is the same as doing nothing. We're talking about child rape. Anyone who witnessed it needs to call the police, not flip through an HR handbook to figure out where to send a vague e-mail about the situation.
We all await Schiano's comments.
If true, however, I find the accusation very troubling. I get it that some situations can seem ambiguous and we definitely don't want to criminalize men who roughhouse with their kids or nephews or nieces. (And I say "men" because, sadly, that's the public perception.)
But if you see the kind of unambigious sexual contact that McQueary and others said they witnessed...there's no excuse. You need to call the police immediately at the very least.
TTUN has 100,000 problems, but a win ain't one.