MRON46, I haven't been on 11W as much recently, but I'm sorry if you have been treated unfairly. I do think that many on here like to have a rational debate with the opposition, but you have to be realistic. I read some of your previous comments and it seems to me you have already placed Harbaugh at the top of the college football world. All of this despite the fact that he has zero titles to his name. Yes, Harbaugh went 9-3 last year and beat expectations. He deserves credit for that. Well, Urban went 11-0 in his first year despite a roster that was probably worse than Michigan's. But 11-0 and 9-3 records are meaningless. Only titles count in sports. Harbaugh has none. Meyer has three. Its a real accomplishment that Harbaugh turned around an awful Stanford program. He gets credit for that and so does Meyer for turning around an atrocious Utah program and leading them to an undefeated year in just his second season. My point is that both Harbaugh and Meyer have a long track record of taking over mediocre/bad teams and finding immediate success. The only difference is that Meyer has actually won championships. But for some unknown reason, Michigan fans think Harbaugh's Stanford/49ers run trumps Meyers championships. It is this logic that has tired us all of any talk Harbaugh related. We can all agree that Harbaugh is a damn fine coach, but to consider him an equal to Meyer is just stupid. When Jim Harbaugh wins the college football playoff then you can come back here and make a rational argument. You will get some hate, but at least you can argue Harbaugh's perceived greatness with a little ammunition. Right now you got blanks in your pistol, but you don't see it because you have been blinded by Harbaughs shtick. The tree climbing, sleepovers, rap dancing, spring break FL football, satellite camps, and Hank Aaron jersey/Iverson jerseys have all elevated Harbaugh's celebrity. Right now he is the biggest celebrity in football. Do not confuse celebrity with actual results though. You may soon find out that Harbaugh is nothing more than college footballs version of Rex Ryan. Only time will tell.