So then why are so many outraged that this behavior happens in the SEC? From you post it sounds as if it would actually be detrimental for programs to throw money a kids way. It should actually be an advantage for the Big 10 and their alleged moral high ground.
I think it's always been more than hundred dollar handshakes, those are just the guys who get thrown under the bus when shit goes down with the NCAA. Small time boosters get drilled and powerful folks who are really ponying up the dollars get off Scott free. Ramzy did an article about the guy whose character was completely assasinated by the media when TP was being investigated for signing autographs for money. I still don't think the guy was completely innocent but he actually came on 11W and defended himself in the comments of Ramzy's article. He was just a regular dude with a small business. His reputation got destroyed. We don't ever see or hear about the big money boosters and the bullshit they pull because they have too much money and influence. No one will mess with them.
Even without early enrollees you know what they say it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
I bet the add 4, how do they make room? I'm sure 1 or 2 people will violate a team rule.
I remember an article with the Yahoo writer. He was very clear that a lot of details about Ohio State never came out with Tatgate because the drug dealer/tatoo artist wouldn't divulge the info to the NCAA. Remember when we all kind of laughed about how the one guy involved wouldn't talk about Tatgate because he was afraid of retaliation? According to Robinson, that was a very good thing because had the guy opened up, things would have been far worse for Ohio State.
This happens EVERYWHERE. Bama, Auburn, Miami, Ohio State, USC EVERYWHERE. Once in a program gets in trouble. Look at NCAA sanctions. It wasn't that long ago that more than 1 occasion Bama and Auburn had been hit with sanctions. Tatgate just made it the B1G and our turn. The PAC got it with USC and to a lesser extent Oregon. My guess is the next big scandal will be Texas or Oklahoma. No doubt it my mind that the Buckeyes have had more than their fair share on the take. Let's please stop acting like this is only an SEC state of affairs. There's no way Raekwon or Vonn Bell choose Ohio State because of the alure of Columbus Ohio and the honor to play at the shoe over a fat payday at Alabama or Tennessee.
Gibson is a player we don't want to miss out on. He's a special talent. He may never be a QB here, but he'll see the field quite a bit. The staff wants this kid on the team bad. Pryor wasn't the only one that messed up too. People always slam him but want to cannonize the coach who fucked up and got paid millions on the backs of the hardwork of guys like Pryor.
Let's not forget who mentored and coached TP here. He had a clown for a QB coach. Not exactly Meyer and Herman teaching him the position.
Meh, I'm just not sure we can compare the recruiting cycle to real life. We certianly can't make judgements about recruits and their character because they are taking it all in. We've had recruits come here who have been maybe not 100% sold on Ohio State at the last minute. Zeke worked out pretty well for us.
I understand where you are coming from. You had to grow up really fast. I did as well in a different way, but had to be an adult at 15 years old as well. One thing I always had was a strong family and a lot of great role models in my life. A lot of these guys come from a world where they don't have people looking out for them. They have also had to grow up very fast in a lot of cases. Now they have people all telling them that they know what is best for them. It's a hard situation. Who do you trust? Who's telling you the truth? Who do you really owe anything to? I just don't feel like it's my place to make a judgement about what level of trust they deserve based on the recruiting cycle. It's not real life it's this insane confusing process, and a lot of these recruits don't have anyone reliable to help them navigate through all the garbage.
Wow remember when Barker had good schools recruiting him!
With this staff, there is no such thing as a kid just taking advantage of the Buckeyes to make a trip, get fed well, and party with girls you don't want to take home to mom. He may come to Columbus to party, but he'll leave heavily considering jumping on board. Especially, when they make a late January trip to Columbus.
I agree with a lot of what you've said about 11W MMan, but am very disappointed how much you've been downvoted on this thread. That never would have happened 5 years ago. You've been around here for a long time, a lot of fools who blew you up have probably been memebers for less than a year. They don't know what 11W was like when the community portion was at it's finest. No doubt content here is amazing now and they have the resources to be the best out there now. It just is a shame that with the growth and improvement of content the community couldn't be preserved.
The only ridiculous thing about the Gibson recruiting saga are the grown assed men whose lives seem to actually be impacted by the decisions of an 18 year old kid making the biggest decision of his life. Truthfully, Ohio State probably isn't the best place for him if he wants to be a QB. Hell we have a couple QB's currently that it seems at one point or another have thought about leaving. He probably would be a pretty damn good QB in Auburn's system.
I guess, though, I'm trying to understand why people get so upset their days get destroyed when following recruiting. Is your life that boring? I love this team, but at the end of the day I don't care what Gibson tweets or where he goes. It's not my decision to make and quite honestly it has no impact on my life whatsoever. Could we refrain from questioning the kid's character or what kind of team player he would be, or if he is "selfish" or whatever else everyone has to say about him. We don't know him, he's making the biggest decision of his life and trying to make sure he does what's best for him. That's all that matters, not what's best for a bunch of middleaged dudes typing on a keyboard.
I guess I just think people would look at Tressel much differently now if we were in our 4th mediocre year, recruiting was weak, and it didn't look like we had much hope for the future. We got very lucky and landed Urban after one horrendous year. If not for that hiring, I don't think we have such fond memories of Tressel.
I loved the guy when he was coaching here, and the lessons he taught the kids etc. A lot of coaches do the same thing and aren't given any credit or villainized. We only talk about when they fuck up or when their players do something ridiculous. That's all I was trying to say. I loved Tressel, sure he was a hero for some of his players. So is Saban, so was Pete Carrol.
DIdn't mean to ruin your day. I just feel like you are paying for fluff pieces and the right to find out information about 30 seconds before it hits Twitter and 11W where it is free. You are right though, people can blow their money on whatever they want, I just don't understand it.
I'm just tired of the Tressel hero worship. I loved the guy when he was coaching here, but let's face it he was an inferior coach to what we have now. On top of that, the whole Fickell fiasco season was his fault. JT fucked up and people still idolize him. He was a great coach and I loved what he did here and stuff he convinced players to do off the field, but at the end of the day he lied to the NCAA. We can say it wasn't a big deal or whatever, but this wasn't the first time he's had trouble with the NCAA. Tressel was good when he was here, but had we landed anyone but Urban, Tressel's actions would have severly set this program back a long long time. We were just really lucky Urban wanted the job. We could easily be Nebraska, Penn State, or Michigan right now. 4 years of irrelvant football would have been a real possibility if not for Urban. Tressel's actions could have made this program a real train wreck.
Watching the Bengals game it was clear to me that Johnny Football is not ever going to pan out as an NFL QB. He was lobbing all his passes, making horrible decisions, and got lit up repeatedly. After that game, I said yeah that guy won't make it through this year much less a long career at QB. Another great QB decision by the Browns though lol.
Does he really need to make an official announcement. He's never said he was leaving to begin with. It's really not on him to announce to the world that he was never leaving anyway. As soon as JT had a couple of good games everyone and their brother started talking about Braxton needing to transfer if he wanted a shot at the NFL.
Still think Braxton is the best of the 3, but won't be ready. That said I don't much care who the starter is. None of these guys are going to cost the Buckeyes games. We can win a title with all 3. I know a big part of it is the system, but what other school has this problem? Which one of my Heisman talents do I start at QB???? I do think Cardale is the one that is a viable NFL QB, but I don't care about the NFL, I care about what they do in The Shoe
Makes the whole paying for recruiting info pretty dumb huh?
Safe to say Harbaugh isn't getting this kid.
I really thought a couple weeks ago he was gone, but I think now it's time to put all that to rest. He's enrolled at Ohio State, he's never said anything about transferring, his teammates were tweeting "dont sleep on our boy Braxton," and now he says we're going to do it again. At this point, I'd be shocked if he goes anywhere.
I also realize you aren't taking away anything from Meyer and the job he did, I just don't think Tressel had anything to do with this team in 2014. We've got the most talented coach this program has ever had (yes Woody included) I just hope he sticks around long enough to go down as the greatest to ever stroll the sidelines in Columbus.
I'll just go on record as saying Tressel had nothing to do with this title, except for flipping the coin. Tressel recruited some of the kids, but Meyer turned them into killing machines. What Meyer did in 2012 and 2013 with mostly guys he didn't recruit was amazing, what he did this year was legendary. When the day comes that Meyer leaves, 4 years after he's done coaching if the new guy wins a title or lose 4 games it has nothing to do with Meyer at that point.
Props to Tressel for recruiting some of the seniors we've enjoyed watching the last 4 years, but none of them actually played for Tressel so they really weren't his players at all.
Only if you agree with the opinion of the majority