I don't think Cowherd is totally off base. The B1G was 2 great teams, 1 good team and the rest was pretty meh. I think everyone in the SEC West could have beat Nebraska last year probably Minnesota too. I'd go so far as to say Mizzou, UK, and Florida would give those 2 a game. LSU, the 5th best SEC west team beat Wisconsin. Yes I know Wisconsin beat Auburn, but those 2 were probably a push. So could our top 2 compete with any conference? Maybe. The thing about the SEC is I would say there were 5 teams maybe 6 in the SEC that were the quality of Wisconsin. Could Wisconsin beat the Mississippi schools, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Arkansas(yes I included them, look at how well the played all the tough teams last year)? Sure! Could each one of those schools be the 3rd best team in the B1G last year? Absolutely. I'd take any of those mentioned over any team in the B1G after Wisconsin.
Cal misses on some of those guys though. They haven't all come in and been great defenders. Some have developed that way. Some weren't good and Cal took their scholarship, gave to someone else and they ended up at Georgia State and Gonazaga.
He has never had a title vacated. He never won a title before 2012.
There have never been movies about Ohio State football despite all the alumni everywhere
I don't think anyone disputes that. Hell Baylor, TCU, SMU are probably more devout than Notre Dame. It's not the religious education that draws kids to Notre Dame, it's that for generations Catholic school kids have grown up dreaming of playing for Notre Dame because their grandpa and dad and uncles all watched Notre Dame as they grew up. At St X you love Notre Dame not because they were catholic, but because the nostalgia associated with it. You remember going to a game with your dad or sitting there watching a games every saturday with your grandpa.
So we need to save this thread every time people here bash SEC schools for being inferior academically. Perception is not always reality. You can get a great education and job with that education just about everywhere. I went to Northern Kentucky University. Have a great job at a large financial institution. I have several friends who also went to NKU we all have very good jobs. A couple into 6 figures. We have all got our jobs while in competition with people that have degrees from UK, Louisville, Xavier, Ohio State, and UC. All schools perceived to be better than NKU. We really need to put a rest to all this academic talk around here. A Notre Dame degree could look very good and if all things else are equal between 2 candidates, both interview well, yes a Notre Dame Degree is probably going to make a difference unless the job is in Columbus.
If Bufford doesn't go 2-50 in that game we win easily though.
Do you actually know what happened at both of those schools? Look at the reports from both schools. Cal did nothing wrong in those situations. Do I think he probably knew a little more than he lead on? Probably so. We know Tressel knew his players were ineligible. Fact is, if Tressel had coached anywhere BUT here we would all be destroying him all the time.
It's mostly accurate, but all of his great teams have had guys that returned and made huge contributions. Thad's best team wouldn't have been shit if not for the contributions of 1 and done players. Should we nail him to the wall? This year we may not have been an NIT team with out Russel. 2010 had Wall and Cousins, but it also had Patrick Patterson. 2011 had Knight (the only one and done) but also had contributions from guys like Harrelson, Liggins, and Miller. Doran Lamb and Terence Jones would have been drafted after their freshmen years but came back to win a title in 2012. So, this year's team isn't THAT much of an exception. They have 1 or 2 extra guys who came back, but their other title team had 3 guys who came back too.
Go Norse????? That's where I went.
I'm not saying they are the same as men, but I do feel people who have defended Tressel and his NCAA trouble at BOTH of his last jobs have no right calling Calipari a cheater. Calipari has never been caught cheating actively. Before Tressel's email was read about Tatgate he used the same line that Calipari did about his players cheating. "I had no clue what was going on!" IT WASN"T ME!!!!!! Again, you don't have to like the man because he's arrogant, but let's not hero worship Tressel as all that's right in sport while calling Calipari the dirtiest coach in the game. Tressel broke more rules than Calipari ever has.
Gotta love people living their lives through the acheivements of college kids they'll never meet.
LSU and Tennessee have to be on the list somewhere. I dont know where I rank everyone or not, but those 2 have to be on the list. Notre Dame's got a passionate bunch. They haven't been relevant in 20+ years and they still sell out all the time and their fans believe they are going to be in the running every year.
First of all, he's a Buckeye, so in that regard I'm a fan.
So was Jeffery Dahmer
I'll just say one more thing, how can people here defend Knight with all his antics, but then talk about how they would never want their kid playing for Brian Kelly because he's a purple faced maniac screaming at his players on the sideline? I understand not wanting Brian Kelly to coach your kid because of his irresponsible actions leading to a student's death, but people always post the purple face Kelly screaming fuck at his QB on the sidelines and say I wouldn't want this guy coaching my kid. Well Bobby Knight was probably worse, he just knew how to win basketball games.
Honestly, he was a maniac. The only thing I respect is that he did actually value education while many of his peers and coaches since couldn't give a shit about the school aspect. He was an asshole and a bully though. He had no class at all. I can accept being pissed off or animated during a game, but launching a chair accross the court is beyond ridiculous. He acts like a child even to this day. Holds grudges against former players and people he used to coach with. I really don't have much respect for the man at all. He's got a lot of wins and won a couple titles, but his own childish behavior was the reason for his downfall. It's not that he didn't change with the times. He absolutely refused to evolve as a coach or a man. He remained a giant baby, throwing fits if he didn't get his way. He could have parted ways with IU like guys like Crum did from UofL, by accepting his fate and walking away with some dignity, but no, he's still got a grudge against the university and likely will never get the send off he deserves from that university. That's ok though, it was his choice.
The problem is you always have a few morons in a bar talking out their ass and not actually being intelligent enough to back it up. I hear it all the time because I'm in Kentucky. They used to talk shit about SEC speed, but that's pretty well been silenced now. They always talk about how good their football team is going to be because they are young and Stoops is recruiting "awesome" though he's yet to have a top 25 class (at least according to rivals). So yes, it's heading in the right direction and they are very young, but they get pissed ifyou tell them, their ceiling is where Rich Brooks had them basically 8-4 which isn't bad. Another time I heard 2 of the guys talking about how great UK's academics are, and they beat Big 10 schools there too lol. While I do think UK is a solid school, they didn't like hearing the truth. Tell them the truth and they tell you well I know a guy who went to med school there. Awesome! lol.
For the most part you are right though. In a bar there could be 20 people wearing UK gear and we judge that fan base based on the 2 idiots spouting off a bunch of bullshit. Though, I've been in bars where Buckeye fans have pretty much ruined everyone's time with running their mouths as well so I can see why people don't like Buckeye fans too.
I can't say I've ever loved fighting anyone
I live in NKY so I'm in Big Blue Nation. A lot of their fans talk out of their ass, but in general no one gives me grief about Ohio State. I did have a guy follow me through about 3 aisles of Kroger one day mumbling something about UK, then he said some stupid joke like What do Ohio State and marijuana have in common, they both get smoked by SEC teams in bowls or something like that he thought it was quite funny. Other than that, just general razzing. For some reason UK fans HATE Ohio State, and I've noticed the same from Ohio State toward them. That never made a lot of sense to me since they are not rivals in anything at all.
In general, across the south I feel like people have been pretty cordial to me when I've talked about the Buckeyes or wore my gear. I've even heard several Bama fans say they kind of like Ohio State and can't wait to get another crack at us. You do hear a lot of garbage about SEC speed and all that which can get annoying, but honestly, their conference is damn good. Maybe not as good as advertised but after Wisconsin there was quite a drop off to the 4th-8th best teams in the B1G. The SEC after Bama had about 5 Wisconsins.
Anyway, what drives me most crazy about SEC fans is their belief the world of football revolves around them. We knew Ohio State would be good because Urban is bringing the SEC to the B1G!!!!! Do you know where he is from???? URBAN BROUGHT SEC FOOTBALL TO THE SEC!!!!!!!!
I'm not buying that. All student athletes are not created equally. Braxton and other players are the reason the stadium is full every week. They are the reason there is a Lacrosse team at Ohio State. How many other student athletes have a scholarship because of Braxton and the football team in general? How many millions have been donated to the school because the president of the university is wining and dining them at football games? The NCAA is trying to say all 450,000 student athletes are the same, and that is just not true. Braxton should be able to use his image to make money, because him being at Ohio State is much more important to Ohio State than if I came to Ohio State on a Curling scholarship.
We're all part of the problem. We believe it's important to be part of the Buckeye fan base because we've been sold that tradition is important by Ohio State. Don't get me wrong, I love the game experience and the football team and have taken some great joy in watching games over the year, but it's all part of the bullshit. The NCAA, the schools, advertisers, television networks, and even the fans have been exploiting these kids playing the game in some capacity for a century.
We shell out damn near 100 a ticket to go to games. We buy every Nike super cool ultra awesome jersey that hits the shelves for what 80-90 bucks? We book hotels and flights and spend 1000's on trips to watch them play in cool places lke New Orleans or Pasadena. The NCAA makes a billion but when you figure in TV money, travel, advertising, gear, ticket sales, parking, drinking at a bar by campus and on and on NCAA sports generate 10's if not 100's of billions per year.
The NCAA is a bullshit organization, but any of us who comment on what the kids should or shouldn't get or how appropriately compensated these kids are, are full of shit too. We can cry outrage all we want, but as fans none of us do anything to actually cause any change. Shame on the NCAA and shame on us.
Hopefully, we'll never experience again what it's like for freshman to be banned from play....
No doubt Devin Smith was a special talent, but I don't think he'll be that hard to replace. I'm not minimizing his impact at all, but saying I believe that we'll be able to fill that role, maybe not with just one guy, but there are guys on this team we'll be able to depend on vertically.
I completely agree with this. 98 and maybe 2002(when you consider how many guys from that team got drafted in 02 and 03) were close. I think with the success this team has had, what is coming back, and the quality of recruiting the program has done the last couple of years it will be the deepest team in the last 20+ years I've been paying attention.
One thing no one talks about too, is the quality of athletes these days. With technology and people designing nutrition programs for specific players and things like that, kids today are bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. I know that doesn't matter in terms of number, but the quality depth these days is so much better than it's every been, that's why teams like Ohio State and Albama compete every year. They are loaded in the 3 deep with freak athletes.
I bet Ochocinco has a dozen or so spread across Ohio lol.