He could be a great player, he could be an average player, he may be a nobody. My question? Who gives a shit. This is a guy who was 0-3 against the Buckeyes and never won any sort of title while at Michigan. In the games we really care about how he played, he didn't do shit! I don't understand the obsession with this guy around here or up north. Way too much time gets devoted to him.
1) I'm not trying to incite anyone or bash the school and team that I love we can pump the brakes a little.
2) I'm not naive enough to believe that a kid is going to choose to come to Ohio State for nothing or minimal improper benefits when several other schools from a particular conference are supposedly offering the families or the players themselves 6 figures worth of improper benefits. When we land a guy seemingly out of nowhere people want to praise the staff or the city. When an SEC school or FSU immediately everyone starts talking about bagmen and all this other stuff.
At the end of the day, I couldn't care less if we cheat or not I'll enjoy the game either way. NCAA football and basketball are cesspools with all kinds of cheating, improper benefits, crime, and academic fraud. I can acknowledge that and still love the team and sport right?
I think you make good points, I just can't, for the life of me imagine a kid getting offered a nice chunk of money somewhere else and deciding, eh you know what I'm going to go to Ohio State for the occasional 500 dollar handshake. That's my personal opinion. If the SEC were cheating so much more than everyone else, than no one else would be getting high profile players is all I'm trying to say.
ha ha ha, anyone who would peg me as a fake buckeye, clearly hasn't been around here for very long lol.
If Raekwon McMillan's family was given or offered 180k and he was given money for or a new car, do you think he would really forego that to come to Ohio State? There's no way in hell he would. If Tennessee had bagmen offering Vonn Miller the world, do you think he would legit choose Ohio State. So there are 2 things we can assume 1) We cheated just as well or 2) the cheating in the SEC is overstated. Either way the kids I mentioned would end up in the NFL.
Robinson, from Yahoo, that broke the Ohio State story with the tattoos, said there was a lot more to the story also, but that one of the parties involved wouldn't go on record or give testimony to the NCAA. According to Robinson, had that guy talked, things would have been very bad for Ohio State. There was a lot more to tattoo gate than what came to light. The info that broke was based on what people were willing to go on record with. There was more to the story.
Didn't Mississippi State sound the Alarm with Cam Newton too? The rest of the SEC must HATE them.
If anyone honestly believes the SEC is the only place where cheating goes on all the time, I would really like whatever you are smoking. I know everyone here really likes Columbus and believes Ohio State is special, but we get kids to commit who have never stepped foot on campus. We can say it's Urban or the success of the program in recent years, but aren't there a few teams who could boast an elite coach with recent success? Also, if the SEC were all cheating and paying kids to sway them, how would we ever pull kids from Florida and Texas when we have these head to head battles with SEC teams. Does the kid say, man, Bama gave me cash and got me laid while I was there and are offering me more money, but nah, there's just something special about Columbus. C'mon guys, we're all intelligent folks here. Let's suck it up and understand everyone cheats, the NCAA only picks and chooses from time to time who they need to "knock down a peg" when public outrage reaches too high of a level.
In my opinion, Finebaum actually has been pretty fair to Ohio State. The year that Clemson beat us with Braxton at QB he said we were basically a paper tiger, and we were to be fair. Now, he did say we wouldn't have been one of the 4 or 5 best teams in the SEC, which was a bit excessive, but he also has been very complimentary of the program since then. So, in my opinion Paul has been pretty fair to Ohio State the last several years both positive and negative. He's being pretty fair to Michigan right now in my opinion as well. Harbaugh is a nut job and is operating a lot in the gray areas of recruiting.
I'm with him on the Amador. It's good stuff. There's another Amador that is a hopped whiskey. It's definitely unique, whiskey with a beer-ish finish. Nothing else like it on the market.
I had big plans to do a forum post every night featuring a different whiskey. I did it for about 5 or 6 posts, but just didn't have the time to keep it up. I may bring it back for once a week or so. I have about 90 different bourbon/rye bottles here at the house. I've recently slowed the collecting a bit but love whiskey.
This has been going on for quite a while. MGP makes fantastic whiskey that is in a lot of really good labels . It's not all the same mash bill either. High West uses MGP in all of their labels practically. Bulleit Rye has come from MGP in Lawrenceburg, IN for quite some time. A lot of Willett's family reserve whiskey's have been sourced for years. Some of their younger stuff isn't their own, but anything over 4 or 5 years old is sourced. Regular Bulleit used to be sourced from Four Roses.
Whiskey is sourced all the time. All I care about is the juice in the bottle. Now, if the stuff in a whistle pig bottle for 70 bucks is the same as Bulleit Rye, yeah I'm not buying that bottle. The fact that it comes from MGP doesn't disqualify it for me though . I do get pissed about some of the labels like Bib and Tucker, because you're basically paying 60 bucks for a neat story and fancy bottle. I don't have a problem with New Riff sourcing their OKI label from MGP while their own whiskey is still aging though.
Dwight Schrute has to be one of the best characters in TV history.
I'm not removing the accomplishments he made in Boston, just saying if he has the same career and it's all in Arizona, he's not even in the discussion. Let's be real, everyone wants to talk about what he did on the field needing to be the only criteria for getting in the HOF, well let's not act like he would get the same evaluation if he had those later success somewhere other than Boston.
Schilling with no bloody sock is on the ballot and gets 20% of the vote is my point. The numbers just aren't there.
I don't think you'll find anyone passionately arguing for either guy, or anyone coming up with conspiracies about either guy being blocked out of the HOF by writers who don't agree with their political views. What if Schilling had only pitched in Philly and Arizona and never went to Boston? Would anyone be beating this drum right now? I don't think so.
I don't think Schilling should get into the HOF because I don't think he had a HOF career. My contention isn't saying those guys aren't worthy, it is if Schilling is a HOF, then don't we have to accept Kevin Brown and Mike Mussina as HOF pitchers too?
Numbers aren't deceiving when you make two legit comps. The world knows Mo C played 1 season, and was banged up a lot of that one season, so of course Pittman would have inflated numbers if you compared the 2. That's not what I did in my comps.
Your aren't making a point at all is the problem. I didn't just throw out 3 names, I picked to legit comps to Schilling who I think it's pretty widely accepted neither guy will get in. I didn't throw a couple names and numbers against the wall to see what would stick. Schilling pitched in 569 games, Kevin Brown pitched in 486 games, and Mike Mussina Pitched in 537 games in their regular season careers. If anything that strengthen's Brown and Mussina's case.
To me the biggest comp to Schilling is Pitcher A, Pitcher A is Kevin Brown
Pitcher C is Mike Mussina
Pitcher D was my throw in just because, Dennis Martinez.
No because post season stats have never been a make or break consideration in baseball. The HOF is littered with first ballot guys who never won a title.
It can be a bad way if you do just focus on one guy having one stat significantly better than a guy in the HOF. That's not what I did here . I took 4 guys, who aren't in the HOF, who were all on the ballot at one time or another, and picked a wide range of stats to show how similar their careers really were.
So, I have here, 4 guys who aren't in the HOF, but on the ballot, who never won a Cy Young, and 3 of which had post season experience/success who had very similar numbers. I limited it to these stats, because well we could go on all day with everything. I think Wins and losses don't mean a whole lot but some people do. I still like ERA and love WHIP as a stat, and well K's are something everyone uses so I threw them in as well.
PItcher B is obviously Schilling, my contention is, if he is a HOF. Pitcher A and C should absolutely be HOF too and a case could be made for D.
All these comments and so many people are commenting that his play on the field should dictate if he's a HOF pitcher and not his opinions on Twitter or if he's a nice guy etc. Only one person has brought up a stat in his defense and that was WAR (which is a narrow view in my opinion). No one is giving any kind of valid defense of what he actually did on the field. I'll say you could make a case for him if Smoltz is in there, but after Tommy John, Smoltz went on to be the best closer in the game for 3 years or so. So let's do some fun with numbers. Give 4 stat lines and you tell me who the hall of famer is. I'll pick 3 random pitchers from the last 30 years who I think are comparable and you tell me who the HOF is.
Pitcher A: 214 wins 144 losses; 3.28ERA; 2397K; 1.222 WHIP; 8.5 H/9, 0.6 HR/9; 2.63 SO/W;
Pitcher B: 216 wins 146 losses; 3.46 ERA; 3116K; 1.137 WHIP; 8.3 H/9; 1.0 HR/9; 4.38 SO/W; 6 all star games
Pitcher C: 270 wins 153 losses; 3.68 ERA; 2813K; 1.192 WHIP; 8.7 H/9; 0.9 HR/9; 3.58 SO/W; 7GG, 5 All Star
Pitcher D: 245 wins 193 losses; 3.70 ERA; 2149K; 1.266 WHIP; 8.8 H/9; 0.8 HR/9; 1.84 SO/W; 4 All Star Games and Perfect Game
If Curt Schilling had 500 wins (which is about the same as over 4000 hits) then yes, he would be in the hall of fame no matter what kind of douche people thinks he is. I don't necessarily think Cy Young is a be all end all, but statistically, Curt Schilling was never the best pitcher in the MLB (or his league at all ) for one complete season.