Does what now? Honor the 4 year scholarship that was promised to a student athlete and pay for them in full to receive their college degree? Because that's exactly what happened at Ohio State with this situation. This is not comparable to the SEC practices. Also, not all fans are hypocrites when it comes to their team. Just don't pay attention to the ones that are. You see them on social media because the tough guys that like to constantly tweet at athletes are typically not representative of the majority.
I don't mind black, just because it's one of our tertiary colors. It actually is part of our color scheme. It's in our normal uniforms and it's in our logo. I wouldn't mind black as long as it's tastefully done and looks good. But I also would be equally happy never seeing a black alternate.
I totally agree people get too wound up about them. Some kind of misguided, "this is tradition" kind of thing. As long as they are tastefully done, I could take or leave an alternate. I love our normal uniforms, but I also think all of the alternates we've worn are pretty slick as well. Now, if we had Adidas sponsoring us...for the love of god, no alternates ever. They'd have us wearing Zubaz themed uniforms at some point.
There's been a leak and/or a preview every time we've released a new alternate design in the days leading up to the game. Maybe they tightened things up this time...but I have a hard time believing we wouldn't come across the design the week of the game. Still time yet, I suppose.
I'll try the Alvinne Undressed if I can come across it. I have had Sour in the Rye a few times as well.
Dude, being cut is one thing. This is something totally different. They signed up for the opportunity to play at Ohio State, and as compensation, will receive a paid in full college degree. Ohio State upheld their end of the bargain that both signed up for...these two young men are walking out of here with a 4 year college degree and some great experiences. They, unfortunately, weren't able to capitalize on their opportunity to play on their side of the deal they signed up for. We honored their scholarship all the same, and they're receiving a paid for degree. This is not apples to apples with the SEC, who forces a player out after not honoring their scholarship and sends a guy packing after a year or two. If that was the case, yeah, I'd have a problem with it. But it's not. These guys aren't being cut cold, in the dark. They're being sent out into the world with what Ohio State promised them: a college degree from The Ohio State University.
Is it fair to the 18 year old fringe recruit (just like Carter was when he was 18) who wants to come to Ohio State, but can't because we don't have a spot available for him because Chris Carter wants to come back and hang out for a year? If anything, these guys would be coming back as a service to us, not vice versa...they will be coming back to run scout team on the practice squad and not really getting anything out of it themselves.
No, I don't think we should tell a player good enough to come back that we don't need him. Why shouldn't it matter? If the player isn't good enough, we've fulfilled our end of the deal to that player and can move forward. I don't think it's fair that I didn't get a scholarship and get to play 5 years at Ohio State then. Why didn't I get the opportunities? That's right, because I'm not good enough. There's no shame in that or fair or unfair in that, it's just the way it is. These guys got there, worked their butts off for the team for 4 years and unfortunately aren't good enough to see the field. We've paid for their college degree, as we promised to do, opened some doors for them and allowed them to be part of something special. We've completed our end of the deal that they signed up for, I think we should be able to move on and give the opportunity to another lesser heralded 18 year old to come and experience the same thing...and maybe turn into something special, or maybe move on after 4 years and 1 college degree later. Instead, that opportunity for that kid isn't available at Ohio State because whoever wants to hang out for another year. We're not obligated to give anyone an extra year, it's a bonus. Is it fair that not as good players in the NFL don't get paid as much money as the good players? The good players make their salary and bonuses for good play. Why shouldn't they just hand out bonuses to everyone on the team, down to the guy that never stepped foot on the field, because it's fair?
And let me add to this that I, for one, don't want to see Brax go. I love JT, but I still think Braxton has shown improvement each year and has such a high ceiling that he could've had this same year or even better than JT had this year. Not saying I don't think JT can be better than Braxton in a year or two, but I am one of the ones who prefers Braxton and all of his upside and athletic prowess. Regardless of who an OSU fan prefers in the Braxton vs. Barrett debate, I don't know a single person that wants one to just go away. Not a single one.
EDIT: I guess I should say, I want/prefer whoever wins the open job going into the season. I don't think it should "belong" to one or the other heading into next year. But I'm definitely in the camp that believes people are kind of taking Braxton for granted.
Why? The obligation of the the school is to provide them a scholarship so that they may earn their degree. That obligation was met. I don't have a problem with it either way.
Regardless of whose decision it is, Ohio State still fulfilled their promised obligation to the two players by paying for their education for 4 years and earning their degree. Why are they obligated to keep him here one more year to ride the bench after the student athlete has completed their degree? The whole premise of the OP's argument is wrong because he's comparing it to when SEC coaches force out players after a year or two before they fulfill their obligation to allow the athletes they recruited to fulfill their degree.
This is different. Their scholarship was honored. These guys are earning their degree this year. Same thing happened to my roommate who was a walk on under Tressel. Tressel called him into his office and said, thanks for your 4 years of service, but we won't need you coming back for a 5th year. Except these guys get a full 4 years of education with a degree to go with it. In the SEC they're forcing people out before they fulfill the student athlete's 4 year degree.
First off, I can't stand IPAs and super hoppy as hell abominations but I seem to be in the minority anymore, so take my tastes with a grain of salt....Founders Breakfast Stout (Edit - It's Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout that I'm talking about...thanks for the catch @NH-IO!) is a favorite for beer snobs around this time of year, but it can be hard to come by depending where you live. When beer sellers get it, fans of the beer will usually show up and buy up everything they have right away. I don't drink a ton of beer anymore but when I do Founders is a go to brewery, however it's a Xichigan brewery, so I'd steer clear of it this weekend. I'm a fan of Breckenridge brewery as well, their beers are pretty simple and easy to drink to me but they taste good. Their Agave Wheat is one of my summertime favorites and their Vanilla Porter is one of my winter time favorites. Left Hand Brewery makes some fine beer as well, I'm a big time fan of their Nitro Milk Stout. A good Christmas Ale is a solid option around holiday time and honestly, Cleveland's own Great Lakes brewery makes one of the best mass produced Christmas Ales out there. These aren't the most obscure choices, really, if you're trying to upstage your brother in snobbery...but they are beers I like to drink when I stray from my cheap ass case of PBR and are usually pretty readily available at your local retailer.
Others I like, but seem to be in my own boat with....sours. I like Rodenbach as it's usually easier to come by, Cincy brewery Rivertown (awesome brewery) makes a good sour that I had one time. I'm a biiig big fan of Gueuze as well, which is a difficult to make, traditional lambic type. It's not like your typical lambic though, as the sweetness and sour flavors come from the natural fermentation, rather than additives and artificial sweeteners. It's got kind of a farmhouse taste to it as well, if that makes any sense. One of the most traditional Belgian styles of beer that had nearly gone extinct for a while. Definitely not for everyone, I can only have one glass of it in a sitting, but it's one of my favorite things there is to drink. And if anyone finds a bottle of Tilquin anywhere, you have to let me know, it's become impossible to come by since it hasn't been made anytime recently.
Wait, where do you live anyway? If you've got a taproom around, you can typically show up and ask for their advice on anything and try some samples. They'll usually have a more obscure selection if it's a good place and usually have good local options as well.
Oh! Good catch on that one!
Nice, I will definitely have to check that out!
I love Seventh Son. I actually live on 4th street so I'm just a couple blocks from it. I walk up there pretty often in the summer for the food trucks and the cocktails. I'm not the biggest fan of their beer though, to be honest...though a lot of people are, so it's just personal taste. I'm not saying hoppy beers are bad, they're just not for me...and they don't really have any options there for someone who doesn't care for a beer bludgeoned by bitter hops. They make really nice cocktails though.
Ah, gotcha....there should be some good taprooms you can check out around Columbus. I'm not too familiar with any up that way, but I live down in Italian Village and we've got tons around here, Short North, Grandview, Clintonville, etc. When I lived in Victorian Village I used to frequent a cozy little spot called House Beer right on high street. You can pick out individual beers from their fridge and pop 'em open and try them. They'll also have a few good options on tap to try out. There was one day they had Tilquin Gueuze on tap and I thought I was going to die. If you want to come across as a real beer snob, go check out one of the taprooms and buy a large growler of something good!
In order to start becoming relevant again they have to start beating us. Pass.
Or two Xichigan tickets. Same diff.
The defense definitely had its breakdowns last night (many of which SH was unable to take advantage of) but I think they'll start getting the rotations down more and more as they gain more experience with it. I haven't seen a single possession so far this season where they have not run the 3 quarter court 2-2-1 press falling back into a extended matchup 2-3. It's exclusively what we run, so we should get a lot better with it as the season progresses...especially given the amount of athleticism and length this team has. Which isn't to say they won't have some struggles with it...an extended matchup 2-3 will inherently have some breakdowns that other teams can exploit if they've got good passing bigs...but we'll also see them make offenses stagnate and have to settle for deep shots late in the shot clock a lot.
How do you know how much film Aaron Craft watched on the cupcakes we played in the first 2 or 3 games of a season? I'd venture to guess he probably didn't watch much and to be honest, I'll bet they probably didn't have any film on these teams. I doubt OSU has a game film for Sacred Heart to provide to its players after Sacred Heart had played 2 previous non-televised games. I may be wrong on that, but I doubt they really had much to go off of. I highly doubt the coaches are spending much time gameplanning for Sacred Heart, they're probably having them (especially the young guys) focusing on getting better themselves and getting more comfortable with the offense and defense we're trying to execute....and in the meantime are more likely gameplanning and watching film on Louisville and North Carolina than Sacred Heart. Of course they're going to have more film and spend more time watching film of their conference opponents.
We were "eliminated" from the nat'l title picture in '07 going into the final week of the season. We beat ttun and then a landslide of teams in front of us lost. We finished the regular season #1. A LOT can happen for us...and we only have to get up to #4, not #1 or #2. I believe a thrashing of MSU (not saying it's going to happen, I'm just speaking hypotheticals) could see us likely right at 10 or 11 with the committee (since there's a couple matchups of teams going head to head that both teams are ranked ahead of us). From there it's not that highly unlikely to watch 6 or 7 teams lose ahead of us in the 4 weeks that follow.
I never said an alternate uniform would make a young man choose OSU over Alabama or anywhere else. I said it generates revenue for the athletic department that gets sunk back into the athletic department and school the young man may potentially attend. With regard to the ethics of profiting from a player's likeness, that's a different conversation for me (though it may have been one of your original points)...but having a profitable program and $$$ allows these players access to the finest facilities. It provides them the finest training equipment. It provides them the finest training staff. It provides them the finest coaches. It provides them the finest dieticians, strength and conditioning coaches, team meals, academic assistance, etc, etc, etc. They don't get cash in hand, but the perks of a competitive program that is making money trickle down.
With regard to grown men wearing a young man's likeness, I more or less agree with you on that. But mostly because I just stopped wearing any sort of jersey in general after college. But people are willing to spend their money on this stuff and it's not your obligation to be their fashion police. I hate to use a slippery slope type of argument, but if you consider it such a travesty to wear the jersey in support of your favorite 18-22 year old player...then why even watch and worship what these 18-22 year olds are doing at all as a grown adult then? Following their games, their performances, their statistics, their recruitment, their future prospects, etc. Why not just participate in school tradition, sing the songs with your old college buddies, cherish the memories and leave your relationship with the university as just that: memories....and go move on to the NFL to obsess over the athletic prowess and performances of other grown adults.
To the Stewart Mandel piece regarding the "Kings":
"Alabama, Florida, Florida State, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas and USC."
The only teams on that list that don't do alternate uniforms are Alabama, Penn State and USC. It wouldn't make sense for any other schools to wear a black uniform because black isn't one of their tertiary colors. Obviously, that didn't stop Nebraska and Tennessee and theirs were stupid because Adidas football uniform designs are inherently stupid. Texas and some of the others did even toy with the idea of some black alternates.
Florida State and Ohio State are the only two schools on this list that have black as a tertiary color, part of their uniforms, logos and overall color scheme. Guess what:
I'm not ok with it because of the gimmick of a night game blackout...I'm ok with it becaue it's actually a color that's a part of our own color scheme. I'm not really clamoring for it, just saying I don't get all the outrage. I'd be cool with black unis as long as they're well done. If purple was one of our tertiary colors and they could think of some tasteful way to do it, I'd be fine with a purple alternate for one night. Tradition to me just doesn't really have to do with a uniform. Uniforms change all the time and the traditions and passion remain the same.
Why fuck that? If the athletic department makes money and has a strong relationship with Nike? Sinking that money into facilities and recruiting sounds fine with me. It's a one night thing for fun, it's not like over 100 years of tradition goes out the window. I personally don't care if they wear an alternate here and there or not, but I don't understand why so many people (not saying you) are so outraged by it.
Black is one of our tertiary colors, it's not like they're talking about wearing green or something. Wear a black jersey with scarlet and gray incorporated as the tertiary colors and it could make those colors pop. It's my belief, that if done well, a black jersey could showcase the scarlet and gray accents well and look pretty cool. I'm fine with alternates as long as they look cool. I think so far, Nike's done a solid job especially with the ones we've been wearing the last couple years. If we were sponsored by Adidas and started trying to do some of the stupid shit they constantly churn out, I'd probably be against it.
But yeah, fuck lame ass secret societies and junk, though.