Agreed, Collins spent a lot of time in that game getting knocked on his ass.
"Most of these guys never even had a prime."
"This guy here is dead!"
"Well, cross him off then."
At this point I just assume that whatever in the world the Browns decide to do is the wrong decision. So, sure go ahead...try to cheat the system and draft Mariota. Or don't. I don't care. Just leave me the hell out of it.
Unfortunately, we're currently at the point in the season where the spoiled fringe of the fanbase starts calling for his head. As an Ohio State fan, this is by far my least favorite tradition.
Maybe we should let him walk, like KU did Roy Williams (who took 14 years and never won a title at KU, which is the blue-blood, logo recruits itself program that Ohio State basketball is not) so that he could go win national titles elsewhere.
Shaka Smart? Over Thad? Pass. No post-season success? He's made the Final Four twice. He hasn't won a national title, sure but that's an incredibly hard thing to do. He recruits very well, but lets face it, Duke and UK and KU and schools like that have won more titles because they're in the top 5 recruiting classes in the country every year and have more cracks at it. We make the top five once every few years or so? We essentially have the talent level/leadership level to make a run at a nat'l title once every few years. Ohio State is not a blue-blood destination school when it comes to basketball. We can't just get players to sign up to play here based on the merit of our logo alone. This isn't football.
Do you know how long it took other HoF level coaches to win their first nat'l title? It's very very hard to do in a tourney format. Coach K took 11 years to win his first title at Duke. He's considered one of the absolute all-time best college coaches, if not the best. Roy Williams, considered one of the best in the game today, spent 14 years at blue blood Kansas and never won one, then moved to blue blood UNC and won it with someone else's recruits. Took him 16 years between two elite programs. Jim Boeheim, considered one of the best all time, at a school that has been at times at the fringe of the blue blood level, took something like over 25 years to win his first title...which is his only. Even the leegendary Dean Smith (God rest his soul) took 20 years to win his first title and another 11 to win the next. 35 years and two nat'l titles to show. The point is, it is incredibly difficult to win the tournament. If it wasn't for running into the buzzsaw that was the Florida Gators (which was probably the best and most well rounded team of the 2000s) Thad would have a nat'l title to show for everything as well.
I don't understand where this notion that Thad can't recruit and/or can't develop big men comes from. Are we sriously so damn short sighted that all we can see is Amir Williams? Amir Williams was a miss, flat out. He's just not all there. And it wasn't just Thad's fault for recruiting him, because everyone was recruiting him and he had everyone fooled into making him a McD's AA as well. Let's take a look at Thad's tenure and his big men. Terence Dials, not recruited by Thad, but finally blossomed under Thad...Big Ten player of the year in Thad's 2nd year. Greg Oden, All-American. Kosta Koufos, first round draft pick. Byron Mullens, first round draft pick (even though he's a dope as well). Jared Sullinger, All-American, first round draft pick. Dallas Lauderdale, defensive wrecking ball and I'd kill to have him on this year's team. Even a guy like Othello Hunter player some center for us out of position and was effective. Amir Williams is the only real "miss" here and as a result the criticism of Thad is that he always has bad big men. This is false.
Depth of PGs in the East isn't much easier to get over right now either. Depth of PG in the league is about as good as I've ever seen it.
I think he'll probably wind up having to address it. He's probably already going to have to privately with the Cass Tech coach if he wants to maintain any kind of relationship up there. I wasn't with Jason and how up-in-arms he was about the "oversigning" issue...however, this does feel pretty shady to me. This is the kind of thing that can damage your reputation with a school you may need a positive relationship with down the road.
Whether this is an innocent coincidence or not, the timing is pretty shit. I think they need to give the option to Weber to be released from his signed LOI if that's what he chooses. Aside from doing right by the kid, it also isn't worth one recruit to sour a potential valuable relationship with a coach/HS program. If he really wants out as a result of this, they need to let him go.
Definitely wasn't the whole issue. In fact both QBs struggled for most of the year with the whole offense. I think they kind of went with Troy because of the athleticism aspect, that he may be able to salvage a few plays here and there. Then Troy just started clicking in the ttun game that year. The rest is history. But it would've been interesting to see what Zwick would've looked like with that '06 team around him as well.
Well, really there'd be a simple reactionary result of this, being that coaches would stop redshirting guys their freshman year. Unless he's clearly going to be a stud down the line and they know it, but he's just not quite ready to play yet or isn't caught up to speed on the playbook after making the transition from HS. The fringe guys, the lesser heralded guys, the guys who appear to be career practice squad players who aren't going to have much in the way of an impact on gameday would stop getting redshirts. The "project" guys buried on the depth chart wouldn't get a redshirt until maybe year 2 or 3 when they start to show the promise that they may one day compete for a starting job but are still 3rd or 4th on the depth chart. Otherwise, 4 years, no redshirt and here's your degree. Thanks for your time.
A scholarship is, by definition, an institution paying for your college degree. It says nothing about getting 5 years to play football. The 5th year is a courtesy rule from the NCAA, not the institution, if you can earn it or if you're athletic enough to get it and circumstances warrant it...if this sounds unfair, you're going to have some harsh realities to face in the world. We aren't all created equal. Some people are granted more opportunities than others based on god given abilities. The fifth year is a courtesy, an opportunity...it's not an entitlement. This doesn't matter if it's a football scholarship, an English scholarship or a science scholarship. It's the same across the board. Some more gifted students may be granted better opportunities than other students in those fields.
Yeah, it's kind of unfortunate. But it's not too much of a slap in the face to say that you got beat out by a Heisman winner for the job. Would've been interesting though to see how Zwick could've progressed if he was handed the reigns. Not saying he'd have been better than Troy at all...but somewhere in the middle of '05 we hit a fork in the road and the coaches decided they just needed to pick one and let him go. I think they went with Smith because he offered more as an athlete at the time and the offense was slowly degenerating into a dumpster fire. Neither one was head and shoulders above the other...until Troy went nuts on ttun that year. That's when the debate was 100% over. Zwick may have taken a bit more patience, but maybe he could've turned into a really good OSU QB as well if he didn't have Troy to compete with.
That's right, his decision came from his own camp. He wasn't ready to go in and compete from day one and Braxton was viewed as the heir apparent for this team. He grayshirted and went to military academy to buy himself an extra year of separation between himself and Brax. Boeckman did the same thing when he was coming in behind Zwick/Smith (althought Zwick was the one seen as the next big thing at the time).
Boeckman's case was his own decisions, or at the very least a mutual decision between himself and OSU that he separate himself from Justin Zwick who I believe was in the class ahead of him and considered to be the heir apparent at QB. In most cases with OSU players that have gone to grayshirt and do a year of military academy or whatever are because of not academically qualifying and having to choose between Juco or a grayshirt year...or OSU telling them up front, they aren't going to be recruiting them in this cycle. King Cardale was another example of a guy going to military academy to separate himself from Braxton to get himself a year of eligibility. I've never heard of a circumstance where we recruit and offer a guy, he commits and then we tell him at signing day that he'll have to take a grayshirt year if he wants to still come here...effectively not giving him any time to look anywhere in the recruiting process.
Right, everyone's concerned he's bringing his scumbag SEC ways up here. Guess what, this happens in the B1G as well. This happened to my roommate with *gasp* Jim Tressel. He spent 4 years essentially as a backup LB, backup FB and special teams player. After 4 years, one of which would've counted as a redshirt year, Tress called him into his office and said, thanks for the last four years, it's time to move on now. And he most definitely was not an outlier back then just as he wouldn't be now.
That's not true at all. I'm not calling a player in that situation lazy. I'm calling him not good enough to crack the two deep. There's numerous reasons that may be the case. If he's not cracking the two deep by the time he's a fifth year senior and he's earned his degree, I think the university has fulfilled their promise to him and it's time to give the opportunity to the next 18 year old kid that dreams of playing at Ohio State. I do know guys that worked their asses off for 4 years, they knew they weren't ever going to be as talented as the people ahead of them on the depth chart and they stayed with the team because it offers them other inherent perks and because it's fun to play football. You know what happened to my roommate when his redshirt senior year was coming up? JIM TRESSEL called him into his office and said, "thanks for the last 4 years, but it's time to move on."
You're saying it's not fair to that player that actually got his opportunity. By having someone like Chris Carter sitting on the practice squad taking up space and not able to compete for real PT (because he's not talented enough, because he never developed, because he's not big enough, because he doesn't get along with coaches/players, because he's lazy....whatever, take your pick at a reason a guy can't crack the two deep after 5 years) you're taking away a dream of another 18 year old kid who wants that same opportunity Carter had. Say we have a 3* DT from Columbus whose dream it has been to play for Ohio State, but he's not the prototypical size. Coaches are willing to take a flier on him because of his work ethic, however there's no scholarship available because you're letting a player on your current roster hang on for another year longer than the University is obligated to let him hang around PER THE CONTRACT THE PLAYER SIGNED UP FOR. Now said 3* recruit has to go play at Kent State instead of getting an opportunity to suit up for Ohio State like he'd always dreamed. He misses out on four amazing years where, maybe he becomes an all american....or maybe he becomes that next guy you described who battles it out and just wants the opportunity to see the field. But he'll never have that chance for the next four years, because a guy who already got his chance is just hanging on for one more year.
kids get a 5th year because of a redshirt. a redshit means that the coaching staff decided to defer this year for four years from now. That's on the staff, not the kid.
But this offers the kid the opportunity at another year, not a guarantee at one more year. A kid gets redshirted because he's not ready to contribute. If there was no such thing as a redshirt, the player would've just lost his freshman year and had 3 years remaining anyway. The coach is giving him the opportunity of 1 more year if he can take advantage of it...not a guarantee. The only thing they're guaranteeing to honor is the player's scholarship, which by definition, is the full or partial payment by an institution for a student's education.
But your scholarship was pulled. And now you have to sit at home on Saturdays like the rest of us.
And I'm sorry, but this is blatantly false. The player earned his degree on the University's dime. By definition, his scholarship was honored. Even in a situation where the player never makes it to even his 3rd or 4th year and cannot continue to stay with the team for whatever reason...as long as he didn't violate university policies or student code of conduct, he is guaranteed his 4 year scholarship that was promised up front. This is a B1G rule now. A scholarship is a 4 year guarantee. In the SEC a scholarship is a 1 year guarantee that can be re-evaluated every year. If he wants to keep playing football he can transfer. And if a 5th year player wants to keep playing after graduating, they can transfer to another school without having to sit out a year and play their final year.
Here's the biggest difference no one seems to bring up. In the B1G, scholarships a 4 year guarantee toward their education. The University is still fulfilling a degree to these young men that signed up to play football here (this is of course, assuming full on, real oversigning has taken place...not just natural attrition). The rules even state that if a student-athlete leaves the athletic team for bonafide reasons, they will have the ability to return to school to complete their 4 year degree. This is the obligation and promise from the University and it's still being fulfilled. In the SEC, schollies are 1 year contracts. They can cut bait with someone and basically send them packing from the school. In the B1G, even if a player is told, "if you want to keep playing football, it's probably not going to happen here," the player then has the ability to take advantage of the degree promised to him, or they can leave to pursue football and a degree elsewhere if they so choose. They're not just sent out empty-handed in the cold like what happens in the SEC when they're bringing in 35-40 member recruiting classes. If someone like Devan Bogard is declared a medical hardship plenty of people will (stupidly) roll their eyes (even though he's had 3 ACL tears in 3 years) because of "oversigning"...however, Bogard will still have the opportunity to finish his degree at OSU. That doesn't happen in the SEC. It's not guaranteed anyway.
If I'm off* base off this, anyone feel free to correct me...but this is the impression I was given when the B1G switched to 4 year guaranteed scholarships.
More power to ya, Zeke!
This I cannot get on board with whatsoever. By being on the team and playing for 4 years a player is getting the opportunity to show he can play. If he can't crack the depth chart by his 5th season, I'd say the writing's on the wall. The contract the recruit signs with the university obligates the university to pay for a 4 year degree for the student-athlete. That's being fulfilled. By having him on the team, you're giving him that opportunity. If he can't take advantage of it, it's not fair to that next 18 year old kid who dreams of playing at Ohio State that he can't have a spot on Ohio State's roster because (for example) Chris Carter wants to sit around on the practice squad and not contribute in games at all, even though the university has already fulfilled their end of the deal by paying for his 4 year college degree. If he wants to play yet still, good news! He's still allowed! Because if he really is good enough to still be on a roster somewhere he can pull a Russell Wilson and play at another school where he will have a chance to compete for PT...and he's still got his Ohio State degree in hand.
Jake, just out of curiosity, what is your moral stance against oversigning? Is it that a player isn't able to play football anymore or that they aren't able to pursue the college degree? The only thing OSU promised on their end of the deal is a 4 year scholarship guarantee and a chance to play football if they work hard enough and are good enough. If they're a player that isn't able to see the field and assuming oversigning does take place, they still are able to pursue the 4 year degree promised to them. This is not what happens in the SEC. They have 1 year contracts on their scholarships that can be re-evaluated every year, allowing them to fully cut bait from a recruit if he doesn't look like he's going to contribute and leave him out in the cold with nothing. If I'm off base on this, feel free to correct me...but my understanding is there is still a big difference between SEC oversigning and what we're currently looking at. We're still fulfilling our obligation with a 4 year degree. No one promised a kid he'd ever be able to walk on campus and beat out everyone else at his position every year.
As long as they have someone up there with a direct communication to the sideline. I think a box view and being able to see the whole field is important. It's just such a different vantage point from right on the sideline, there's so much that you're liable to miss on any given play.
I thought it was a performance based bonus. Got a bonus for winning the division, a bonus for winning the B1G title game and I believe a bonus for making a playoffs and another for winning the nat'l title (the $500k). Might be off a little bit on this, dunno.
I got about three sentences into it and got bored and closed it. Who cares with this guy anymore. I don't dislike him but I also don't feel sorry for him either. Just move on. I'm sure he just rationalizes everything throughout the piece...which, fine. I'm sure he's got all kinds of excuses that may or may not be valid...but fair or unfair with your millionth failed drug test, there's roughly 1500 other players in the league and you're the one that this keeps happening to. It's not an unfair coincidence at some point.
You know, surprisingly, I've really liked Carpenter at 97.1 so far. I was expecting the epitome of dumb jock, but I think he's insightful, witty, topical, quick on his feet and does a good job overall. Doesn't have a voice for radio by any means, but I can certainly get past that. I think he has been able to fit in well on any of these shows he's shown up on over the last year or however long it's been.