As a Michigan fan, everything I say is automatically suspect on this board. Still, just a few things . . . I don't think the suspension fits the crime, so to speak, when compared with other suspensions in the league. Second, I really don't know exactly what happened to the footballs. I do think a good part of this punishment is a witch hunt, and the feeling that Brady was "cooperative" enough. Third, I do believe virtually every team does whatever they can to gain a competitive advantage. With this particular issue, I'm sure that the procedure will be changed for all games starting this season. You'll see uniformly inflated balls that aren't under the control of any team, but directly under the direction of the officials or the league. Fourth, it is easy for a lot of people to hate both BB and the Pats as Brady, with their success for many years, and their perceived arrogance. Outside of Michigan and New England fans, most people hate the Pats. It kind of is like hating the Yankees, or hating Alabama football and Nic Saban. Lastly, I would not want to be Indianapolis, nor Goodell. They have made powerful enemies in Kraft and the Patriots. Any predictions on the score of the N.E. / Indy game next Fall?
Love that Harbaugh did this. Of course, Meyer would do the same. I immediately thought of Woody in particular, but also Bo. The PC crowd drives me crazy. Regardless of what you think of the movie (and I happened to like it, seeing it twice,) censoring and shutting down the movie because it potentially traumatizes a viewer is just stupid and wrongheaded. Of course I love Michigan, but sometimes, it really attracts boneheaded leftists.
Princess Bride. Love that movie.
Animal House. Have seen it too many times.
Fascinating question (on parents.) I'd like to know what the parents will do. And opening the checkbook, as noted, is not the answer. Respect for others and for their property was lacking. I also don't let off the hook those who were present, but didn't do a thing.
There are a couple things that have changed, and fraternities and others need to get with the program:
- The Internet. Stories like this go viral quickly, and don't go away.
- What is socially acceptable. Those in a position of privilege have long "gotten away with" heinous behavior. This is changing, and I'm glad for it. Just because you used to be able to be an asshat doesn't mean that you have license to do the same thing now.
Good to see that everyone has a good sense of humor. Gotta laugh at yourself. And if any idiot actually is misled to think this is a real story . . . what are they thinking? Regarding Michigan, I'm waiting until the Onion or SNL puts out a "news story" on the Michigan fraternity trashing the ski resort in northern Michigan this January. That fraternity and sorority deserve to be ridiculed.
Horrible story. Wonderful to find it posted here. I really hope this isn't the end of the matter. Please tell me that the NCAA and Baylor find a way to put this find outstanding young man back on the Baylor team.
Really a terrible night to be a Chicago sports fan. Not only D Rose, but also Patrick Kane from the Blackhawks out for 6 - 10 weeks. It just isn't fun.
If any team knows about "next man up," it is Ohio State. I don't know if we'll ever see something as incredible as having 3 quarterbacks, and two contributing tremendously to a National Championship.
It will be really interesting to see what happens with the Bulls. They are incredibly deep. Obviously, you can't "replace" Rose. But this year, Pau Gasol, Jimmy Butler, and Nikola Mirotic have made a huge difference. Actually, I could see them winning one series in the playoffs (without Rose,) and being pretty competitive the next series after that. Still, it sucks.
My trapped story has to do with a plane, and my regrets at being frugal. I have traveled a fair amount, flying to Japan, Korea, German, Austria, Brazil, Argentina, and obviously, around the country. On this particular trip, I was on a South American carrier on my way to Asuncion, Paraguay, to do service work in slums located at the garbage dump. In Miami, the gate agent asked if I wanted to upgrade my seat for more leg room, for about $100. I declined, which was a big mistake. I am about 6'4", and weigh north of 250 pounds. From Miami south, including connecting flights, it was tolerable, and unremarkable. Leaving Paraguay, however, it was a different story. Literally every seat on the plane was filled. There was no extra space on the plane whatsoever. I ended up in a seat with no leg room. What was worse, the passenger in front of me was pregnant, and had the seat as fully reclined as possible, for 8 hours. The seatback TV was broken. All I could do was suck it up. And I knew that in the future, if I ever have the chance to upgrade to a seat with more leg room, I would jump on the opportunity.
That's an incredible story. Loved it. Would upvote you, but since I rarely come here, I don't have enough points. C'est la vie.
This is a problem for the Big 10.
Interestingly, as regards your rival Michigan, they've been doing ok in recruiting. You could argue that they are actually approaching Ohio State's level. In fact, right now, they trail only Alabama and USC on Rivals in terms of the average ranking of each recruit. And that includes a kicker, which drags everything down.
Still, the original point stands, and the Big 10 as a whole really needs to pick up the pace with recruiting.
I seriously doubt Hoke is going anywhere, at least not this year. If Michigan ends up 9 - 3, even with losses to OSU, MSU, & ND, he'll be given another year. Should Michigan actually win against the Buckeyes or Spartans, it will take quite a bit of pressure off. I won't presume to predict that is going to happen. There are at least three factors, in my mind.
- Injuries and other player losses. Who could have predicted that Miller and Spence would be out for Ohio State this year? Certainly not me. For Michigan, to have at least four starters out against Miami hurt their play (Funchess at WR, Desmond Morgan at LB, and Countess and Taylor at CB.) Getting Jake Butt back at TE has been important, and he is only going to get stronger. Having critical players in or out can affect the balance in a particular game.
- Player development. It appears things are finally beginning to jell for Michigan on the OL. There also has been a learning curve for Michigan's secondary with press coverage. There also are quite a few raw WR's who are learning the ropes and getting things down with route running. If these units get things down, Michigan is going to improve significantly over the course of the year.
- Turnovers. If Michigan continues to have turnovers at the rate they have over the last 3 games, it is going to be a long season. If they put and end to that, and the defense causes turnovers, well, that would be a huge change for Michigan.
I'm comfortable predicting 9 - 3 this year. Anything between 8 - 4 & 10 - 2 means that Hoke will not be going anywhere.
You can't underestimate what is involved in a gifted and experienced OL that works well together. Your OL, along with losing a great RB, are key factors, obv. along with Miller being out for the year. Getting back to my original point, how the OL at OSU performs is probably the most critical factor for OSU this year. This week's game, along with MSU, will tell you a lot, and it looks a bit ominous right now. With the tire fire that has been Michigan's OL for the last five years, I feel your pain.
Hope he figures it out, as he seems to have plenty of talent. Meyer doesn't want to cut him from the team, but Baugh is now on a pretty short leash. It is sad when a gifted young man who has been given such a great opportunity throws it away. And the reality is that there are plenty of other guys ready to step up and step in.
Look forward to the day when this isn't newsworthy. I suppose, with all the publicity he got, as the first openly gay player to be drafted, it makes sense that Sam get publicity as the first openly gay player to be cut. He should be judged not by his personal preferences, but by his abilities to make tackles on the field. In fact, his personal preferences should be completely irrelevant to whether or not he makes an NFL squad.
I love Brady Hoke. (no homo.) I love everything about him. I love how he relates with his players, and with their families, how he doesn't take himself too seriously, with how he just has fun. I love his coaching staff. I love that he feels really bad about Braxton Miller, and comes from the same town. I love that Brady Hoke isn't fake and plastic. I love that he isn't mean and miserable. I love that he can make fun of himself, flub his line, and he just comes off as a coach. I don't even care about the fat jokes, because let's face it, he isn't thin. I love that he says "Ohio," (which I don't do,) and that he won't wear red. You can tell that at least some players feel the same way, because his recruiting keeps on getting better, even though the record hasn't. Ohio State has an awesome coach with a great record, which I doubt Brady Hoke will ever match. But you know what? I'm happy for you, and I'm happy for Michigan. I know a bunch of y'all think Hoke is on a hot seat. He isn't. He'll be around for a long time, which makes a bunch of OSU fans giggly. Ummh, time will tell, but I don't think OSU's recent overwhelming winning record against Michigan is going to continue much longer. Don't know if it will be this year, or next, but Michigan will be punching OSU in the face. Finally, my boy is only in 8th grade ball, and I'd be shocked for him to play in college. Just doesn't have the speed and size. But if he did play in college, Hoke is the kind of coach I'd want him to play for. Ted Ginn feels the same way, and that's why Frank Clark and Willie Henry are at Michigan.
Fascinating article. It has always been my contention that you are looking for trouble any time you are starting a Freshman QB, especially a true Freshman. The problem is the time it takes to master the playbook. It takes repetition, and time to work out the kinks, both in practice and in game situations. When a QB has a couple years of seasoning, hopefully as an early entry, then a redshirt and then a full year playing only in mop up duty, they have learned the playbook and have the timing down cold. You'll just have to see how Barrett does. Sometimes early season success can be particularly cruel and deceiving. A Freshman QB can think they have things down, only to be destroyed by a crafty DC and seasoned secondary.
There is one set of circumstances where Freshmen QB's have more success. It involves a highly skilled, motivated and gifted QB, surrounded by veterans at every position. When that happens, they can make things work. The fact that OSU is breaking in many new guys at OL gives me pause. OSU has a tremendous defense, but I don't know if they will be completely able to carry the team. I don't know, but I think you really now are one year away from significant success.
One last thing: someone here who is more of a stats wizard should find the NCAA stats on Freshman QB's in a starting role. I believe that will corroborate my position (Freshman QB's are trouble) and give you a picture of what OSU might expect this year. (EDIT: yes, you would need to separate true Freshmen from redshirted Freshmen.)
I don't even know what to say. I mean, I believe in miracles, and that would qualify, but really? All I can think of is Desmond trolling OSU and SEC fans and being a homer. If Michigan ends up 6 in the country, every last doggone thing went right (OL came together, Gardner stayed healthy and played within himself, defense completely gelled and was dominant, key injuries to some of our strongest opponents.) Hope springs eternal, and I am an optimist, but this is beyond me to predict. Or even hope for.
Having said that, I don't think Hoke is nearly as fat and stupid as many OSU fans think, and Michigan is on the rise. It has taken years to rebuild after the disaster and travesty that was RR. Michigan has been doing a good job of recruiting, and right now is on track to have the highest average star rating of anybody in the Big 10, albeit with only 14 - 15 total in the class. I am really looking forward to 2015 and beyond. Just not this year, not yet.
Bittersweet photo. I've seen pictures of my mom from that era, who was in college in the early 50's. She is gone now, and it reminds me that time stops for no one. A few years ago while on campus for a game, in a crowd of students, I realized that I was no longer anything like one of them. Instead, I was old enough to be their dad. Now my daughter is a 21 year old in the Navy, and I continue to get older. Great memories of being young once, and all the excitement of being a freshman. I suppose part of going back to games has to do with hanging on to those good memories.
It always hurts to have a decommitment, but as already mentioned above, there is a severe scholarship crunch for OSU in 2016. Between one and done players, and those who stay two years, maybe three, you can hardly bank scholarships anymore. OSU is going to be just fine without Mitchell. As regards Mitchell, I suspect the reality of his father's condition, along with the realization of being so far away from home, finally sank in. There are still two top 50 uncommitted recruits for 2015 in the State of Ohio, and one of them, Carlton Bragg, at least lists OSU as a possibility. As you well know, Michigan has benefited greatly when OSU has not had scholarships to give. Trey Burke and Caris LeVert were two ballers from Ohio signed by Michigan fairly late in the recruiting process. Neither were offered by OSU, and I'm sure both would have been interested. With the sustained success Matta has had at OSU, this is a great opportunity for OSU to either go after a late blooming prospect in 2015, or have another spot for one of the 2016 recruits on the horizon.
The Buckeyes will be fine. You have a great coach, and have done an incredible job recruiting year in and year out. I feel bad for Braxton, who is a class act and an incredible QB. It is extremely hard to lose a senior QB, even more so when the QB is as gifted as Miller. I suppose this will make your season more interesting, but maybe it will bring the whole team much closer together. I do think your games against Michigan State and Minnesota just got a lot harder. It gives me more hope as a Michigan fan, but we have so many problems on the OL, I don't know that your losing Braxton makes a difference. But again, condolences, as you deal with this bad news.
It was only a matter of time, and was the right thing to do. Sad situation, but totally necessary. Due process and going through the evidence doesn't happen overnight. Here is what Hoke said in the release:
“Csont’e York has been dismissed from the Michigan football program. Representing the University of Michigan is a privilege and, while second chances are certainly deserved, sometimes it’s better for everyone if that happens somewhere else. Overall, I have been proud of how responsible our team has been this offseason and how hard they’ve worked to prepare for the season.”
I'm one Michigan fan that isn't gloating or happy at Braxton Miller's reinjury. He has always been a class act, and terrorized defenses everywhere with his mobility and arm. As a savvy, gifted, senior QB, Miller was critical to OSU this year. Of course, it is next man up, and OSU will do fine, but you don't just replace someone like Miller with a freshman. I don't know when Michigan will be back. Lord knows Michigan has plenty of problems, especially on the offensive line. But Michigan won't really be back until they can beat a team like the Buckeyes at full strength. I know it would hurt Michigan just as much to have their senior QB (Devin Gardner) go down to injury.
I'm sorry for all Ohio State fans. Not this way. Braxton Miller always was a class act, and will be sorely missed. His mobility terrified defenses and defensive coordinators throughout the Big 10. With Braxton at QB, OSU was always in the game to the very end. While it is true that you always have to be prepared, and it is always "next man up," a senior QB as gifted as Braxton is pretty irreplaceable. You really could have used Guiton this year, but it wasn't to be. You can't replace senior leadership, with a strong and full knowledge of the whole playbook. How quickly a season turns.
York needs to be off the team, and will be off the team. There is no excuse for a sucker punch like that, and he needs to be released as soon as possible.
I would expect any decent coach out there to release a player who pulls a stunt like that. Meyer would can him right away. I personally am very glad for the video evidence, and wish there were more video evidence in more circumstances.
This is sad. Too bad that Greg's career in the NBA hasn't turned out better, and now this. I won't pile on, and won't troll. In fact, the only reason I came on line is to say that anyone who does this, at any school, or in the pros, or after school and the pros, is way out of line. You can't make excuses for hitting a woman, ever. I don't care if you are a student at UofM, or OSU, or any other Big10 School, or the SEC, etc. It doesn't matter if you're a star in the NBA or NFL or in the MLB. It is just wrong. Unfortunately, too many women refuse to press charges, or to hold accountable those who have done stuff like this. The best I can say is that I hope this is a positive turning point for Oden.
p.s. The shirt? Every Michigan fan knows where that came from, and can even understand some of the frustration. But make a shirt memorializing it? I dunno, not something I'd wear (obviously,) but even if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e., a Michigan player doing the same thing,) I wouldn't have the shirt, nor would I like it to be worn by anyone.