Yes, Beilein is a good coach. Kids coming to Michigan develop well. Actually, next year potentially looks a lot better. With Wagner and DJ Wilson returning, you have two stretch forwards who can hit 3 pointers. Add two more heavy rotation guys, (Rahkman and Robinson) along with a 5 star transfer from Kentucky (Matthews), and you have the foundation for a team that could go all the way.
You snooze, you lose. Smh. Well, I'm sure there will be someone out there for OSU when the change finally happens. Thing is, you really are stuck as fans. Because, it would be horrible to root for OSU to lose, but that may be the best option. The worst case scenario is OSU wins 10 - 11 games in non-conference season, goes 10 - 8 in the Big 10, wins a game or two in the Big 10 Tourney, wins a game in the NCAA tourney. People are excited, but the Buckeyes really are still mediocre. And Matta gets . . . another year.
Regarding coaching candidates, maybe Billy Donovan? My personal fave for you is Gregg Marshall. Looking forward too seeing Lynn Marshall cheering on the Buckeyes.
It was a good run for UM. They went further than most anyone thought they would. Flat in the last game vs. Oregon, but what can you do? Glad Wagner and Wilson will be back at Michigan. And looking forward to next year. Will be watching to see what happens at OSU with basketball next season as well.
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Congratulations, to Wesson and to OSU. This could be the start of something big for Wesson, the Buckeyes, and Thad Matta. I hope that Wesson has a good 4 or 5 years. Now if Ohio State can just get the best player in Ohio every year, recruiting problems will be solved.
And you think Harbaugh is crazy? HAHA!!!! Oh. My. Goodness. Now that would be a show worth watching. Marshall's wife at the Schott. The mere thought of that is so delicious, I really hope that Marshall to OSU is a real thing!
I get that you feel that way . . . maize and blue jacket and all. Problem is, many of her beautiful pictures don't work well for your proprieters and mods here. Still, here is another one of Kate with blue and gold.
I've heard that Alford will go back to Indiana. It's home, unlike UCLA. I've also heard he is pretty slimy and shady, but I personally can't verify that. Anyway, you don't want Alford at OSU, and you don't have to worry about competition from Indiana for Donovan.
Regarding going after Billy Donovan: isn't it kind of a moot point since you are committed to continuing with Thad at least into next season?
Into sleepovers with adult men. Michigan fan. I'm up with that.
Polls don't lie. Ohio is the place to be. Between Columbus and Cincinnati, there are plenty of great options. And heck, the schools even have colors that are close, with red and black and scarlet and gray.
Why would anyone want anything maize and blue?
Why of course you should keep Thad. Keep him into perpetuity. You're number 1, after all. Sitting on top of the mountain. Every athlete worth anything wants to play at OSU. Why would anyone want to go anywhere else?
The style he plays will be very attractive to many players. A fast paced offense, running down hill all time, lots of shots, lots of offensive efficiency, what's not to like? Many athletes would far prefer that to a plodding, deliberate, or defensive style of play.
Fair enough (criticizing Beilein and Michigan.). But iirc, he was being encouraged to talk about how this victory was especially sweet, because it was over Pitino and Louisville, who beat Michigan obv. in 2013 for the Championship. Beilein refused to take the bait, but praised Pitino, and kept the focus on Michigan. Honestly, what would you want him to say? Within reason, I would expect any coach at a good school to say some variation of the same thing. Praise your players, praise your coaching staff, praise your opponent, praise your good fortune, praise your university. All of that is pretty routine stuff, imhe.
I don't know much about OSU's basketball strength and conditioning program. I do know that Jon Sanderson has made a huge difference at Michigan. If any of you are interested, here is a link to an article today. NBA coaches and scouts are aware of what Sanderson has done. A number of current pros return to Michigan to work out with Sanderson in the summer because he is that good. He made a huge difference for current players Wagner and Wilson. He also helped NBA players Burke, LeVert, and Stauskas tremendously. Oh, and to give credit where due: he went to OSU for basketball, and played on the Buckeye's 1999 team that went to the Final Four.
EDIT: FTR, this article suggests that too many strength and conditioning guys come from a football background, and don't understand the nuances needed by basketball players. Of course, you might beg to differ, but read the article if you want more on that.
Thanks for the props. I fully expect OSU to hate Michigan . . . as said elsewhere, this is how it has always been, is now, and forever will be. However, apart from the expected partisan hatred, Michigan's baskeball team is not especially hated.
- Because of the stench of the past, Michigan has assiduously avoided scandal, cheating, etc. Beilein is one of the cleanest and most respected coaches out there. He is a devout Catholic, and his faith bleeds through. He isn't as slimy and deserving of hatred as many of the coaches out there.
- Because he is completely clean, Michigan can't compete in recruiting with some of the top teams. They just can't. They are pretty much unable to recruit 5 star talent. Michigan makes do with what they have. In other words, this is a team that wins because they play as a TEAM, not because of outstanding one and done athletic talent.
- The joy and enthusiasm and delight of Moe Wagner is fun to watch. The whole team is loose and enjoying life.
- They aren't winning because of the plane crash. However, when something like that happens, it really gives perspective on what is important in life, and it helps all of them, especially Beilein, to stop and enjoy the moment.
- The team has become very unselfish. They don't care who gets the shot . . . just do what it takes to win.
- Having a savvy senior point guard is critical to an extended run. Having both Derrick Walton and Zak Irvin as experienced seniors is a huge help.
- The development of 6'10" Wilson and 6'11" Wagner makes everything tick. They barely played last year. It has taken time for them to develop and to do what they are doing now.
I personally think Michigan will beat Oregon, and have a very good chance to beat either Purdue or Kansas after that. Of course I want them to go all the way, but I don't know about that just yet.
Actually, the OSU game was the final turning point for Michigan. When Illinois scoffed that Michigan was a "white collar" basketball team, that shook them out of slumber. But losing to OSU was the low point of the season. Horrible game, from Michigan's perspective. Exactly what was needed to get their heads out of their butts and to play hard, all the time. Without the OSU loss, I doubt Michigan goes this far.
Congrats. Good luck. Have my doubts, though. For Matta, too little, too late. smh.
Your frustration? That's what it has been like to be a Michigan football fan the last 10 years. With RR and Hoke, you pretty much knew there was a low ceiling, and that the bottom would eventually fall out. Always did. Even this year, with improvement, we still lost to OSU. That's frustration.
Michigan is looking forward to the matchup with Oregon. After the last two games, (really, the last 7 games and the plane crash,) Michigan isn't afraid of Oregon, or for that matter, most anyone. Beilein is 64, and knows that opportunities like this come few and far between. Carpe Diem. Seize the day, and go as far as you can. You may not get another opportunity. From my perspective, Michigan should be able to beat Oregon. And I don't think they are terrified by either Kansas or Purdue. To get to the Final Four would be wildly beyond anyone's expectations for Michigan.
I realize that you are bound to hate Michigan. This is how it has always been, is now, and forever will be. However, as much as you hate Michigan, realize that John Beilein is a humble man with integrity and honesty, seeking to maximize the abilities of those he is able to recruit. He has never been a great recruiter, but has molded well those who have come to Michigan. And he has recognized his shortcomings. Defense was always a weakness, so he brought in Billy Donlon as an assistant coach to help in that area. His team is made up of high character guys and not with one and done thugs who care not a whit for school.
Easier said than done. But yeah, there has been an awful lot of talent out of Ohio . . . Burke and LeVert benefited Michigan, and we still expect big things from Xavier Simpson. If OSU locked down the state and got a few others, you'd be fine. Talent identification and development seems suspect. But what do I know.
I really don't know what you're going to do. So you want to be top 5. Tell me which of these teams you will be better than next year:
- Michigan State
Beyond that, Illinois and Indiana have a jump on you by already firing their coaches and moving on with a new coach and new hope. Illinois already has a great recruiting class, and with their new coach, are unlikely to lose anyone. And Indiana always has the chance to be a marquee basketball program. Of course, it partially depends on who declares early for the NBA. But I'm wondering if the ship has sailed for OSU. Michigan has a redshirt transfer guard (name of Matthews) from KY, a redshirt big they should have played, and 3 solid incoming freshmen. (There's also a slim chance they get the number 3 player in the country, a big by the name of Mohamed Bamba out of Harlem.) I just don't know whether or not OSU is an attractive program right now. You are really hamstrung by the commitment to keep Matta another year. That kind of means that 2017 - 2018 is lost, and so is 2018 - 2019. The earliest things could BEGIN to turnaround for you is 2019 - 2020.
Several thoughts . . .
Michigan has lucked out because different people have stepped up different games. They really needed Walton against Ok. State. Louisville suffocated the 3 pt line, and we needed the bigs to step up . . . which they did. Wagner and Wilson both can hit threes, both can dribble, both can drive. When a big is on them out at the 3 point line, they usually can drive by them. When a guard is on them down low because of a switch, they can post and get a layup.
Wagner was greatly, greatly helped by Camp Sanderson (Strength and Conditioning.) Instead of going home to Berlin, he stayed in AA, and gained 30 pounds, mostly muscle, last summer.
Wagner still is a liability on defense, especially at the 5. Even though Wilson is smaller, he is better there.
Is this happening again tomorrow? Will be interesting to see how 11W partisans deal with UM and MSU. I'm assuming most will go chalk with Louisville and Kansas anyway.
No. But I wouldn't be surprised if he plays all over the DL, trying to exploit matchups.