Well, I'm thinking an improvement this year, competitive next year, and in the thick of things the year after. OSU has been recruiting at a consistently high level. It will take a year or two for Michigan to be at the same level, and a year or two after that for those high level recruits to make a difference. Look at Stanford. Harbaugh was 11 - 1 in his fourth year there, beating Virginia Tech 40 - 12 in the Orange Bowl. I don't think it will take Harbaugh as long at Michigan. When the Wolverines have double digit win records, are competing for the Big 10 Championship, and are in the discussion for the playoffs, the ship will have been righted. I don't see that happening this year, and probably not next year either.
I'm a Michigan fan. I come over here because sometimes there is good analysis, and sometimes it is interesting to see what OSU fans are thinking.
Honestly, I don't know why so many here have their shorts in a wad. You have a great coach. You just won the National Championship. You are seriously in the running to repeat as National Champs this year. You have the best recruiting class for 2016 in the country, both in total points, and in terms of the average quality of incoming recruits. You have had Michigan's number the last 10 years. And your university has improved significantly on an academic level. I don't know what more you want. I don't care what kind of coach Harbaugh is, it will take years to completely right the ship. Right now, you really can quote Harbaugh and have it be true: "Nobody's got it better than us."
It takes a bit of gall to go to a rival board and say, "Congrats. I guess. He wasn't good enough for us, so you can have him." Now, if Michigan gets Rashan Gary, and someone from here says, "Congrats. Great job. Happy for you, but wish he had come to OSU, we could have used him." that would be a more well received post. Just sayin'.
[EDIT: this is in response to Fatpants question, who is the most hated.] Obv. the most hated will change for different people. I think for different reasons, Pryor, Clarett, and Boren would be high on the list. For me personally, while I don't "hate" Jim Tressel, it bothered me that he wrote "The Winner's Manual," while at the same time giving a pass to a bunch of guys on the team. What the players doesn't seem to me to be all that bad (selling golden pants and jerseys, and getting a few tats in exchange.) Especially with all the other things that have happened at other schools. The issue for me was the coverup, lack of transparency, lack of knowing what was happening.
Urban Meyer would probably be a love/hate thing for Michigan fans. He is a great coach, and will be a fierce rival to try to catch up to. Michigan fans hope to eventually have another 10 year war, with Harbaugh bringing competition back to the Game. However, Michigan is in no way at Ohio State's level . . . yet.
I don't see how anyone could expect Michigan to beat Ohio State this year. The talent disparity is too great. And OSU fans certainly have earned the right to talk as much smack as they want. The last 10 years? Wonderful for you, terrible for blue. But I am thrilled Harbaugh is the coach. And he gets what it will take to win.
Thanks for the reply, Script-Ohio. Your explanation makes sense, and I can mostly live with that. My only comment: In this hypersensitive, hypervigilant culture, I'm personally pretty careful about things I'm associated with. I'm in a career position where I've got to be very careful with public perception, and with belonging to a group or signing off on an activity with which I don't know the details. More than once, I've seen people hung out to dry for things they weren't personally responsible for. I really try to review that kind of thing beforehand.
Personally, my grandparents were mostly from Germany. I have heard the excuse regarding Nazis, "we didn't know what was going on. We had no idea what happened in the labor camps." That excuse didn't really cut it, and to some degree, that applies to the band. If you join an organization, whether a fraternity, band, club, association, etc., you are signing off on the activities of the group.
Ok, this is what I'm trying to understand . . . "FAR less than 1% of current and former members have ever heard this song. I was in for 5 years and never have." So tell me, did you have a copy or multiple copies of a songbook? Did you sing any of the songs? Do you remember any of the songs? Does the songbook have hundreds of songs, so that it is easy to miss most of them? So tell me, script-ohio, were you ever offended by anything in the band? Or were you just fortunate to never be exposed to anything offensive . . . it either happened before or after your five years, or on a different bus or location during your five years?
The other thing I don't get is this. It sounds like the songbook has been around for a long, long, time. All I've heard about TBDBITL is that it was just kids being kids, no big deal, making a mountain out of a molehill. It really seems odd, since there have been reports for several years, that not a single band member prior to this ever came out with it. Very interesting.
FTR . . . right now, it is OSU and the rest of the Big 10. While I think Michigan will be better, it won't happen this season. No way anyone but OSU or MSU wins the Big 10 this year. Having said that, I do believe Harbaugh was the right hire, I do believe he is at Michigan for the long haul, I do believe things will turn around in the not too distant future. Just not this year.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of all college teams. I don't think Hoke was a terrible recruiter, but he was over his head and didn't develop talent. OSU both has a higher level of talent, coming in, and has developed it better once the players are on campus.
Have loved minivans. 3 kids, vacation, cross country, makes life tolerable. Honda and Kia were great. Dodge was a workhorse, but rusted out. Even with the oldest daughter in the Navy, the two 14 year olds can each have a row and avoid killing each other. (Boy and a girl.) I think too many people just love the idea of hating on minivans.
OSU got a good RB in Weber. Hope it goes well for him, except for that one game in November. I think there was just too much ground to make up with the Hoke disaster for him to come to Michigan. Michigan fans will always raise their eyebrows at the timing of Drayton's announcement. But I suppose things like that go both ways.
I do expect Michigan to be very competitive against the Buckeyes going forward, perhaps more than most on this board feel. The OL cratered under Rodriguez. It took several years to grow under Hoke. With Drevno as OC and OL coach, and the number of upperclassmen on the OL, they are going to be much better starting this year. I also think that Harbaugh will stay at Michigan longer than 4 years. San Diego and even Stanford were stepping stones. And he would have stayed at San Francisco except for the disaster that was Jed York. Their loss was Michigan's gain. Michigan is a destination head coaching position. I doubt Harbaugh goes back to the NFL unless things line up perfectly.
Michigan fan here. Darrell Funk is no longer with Michigan . . . he was not retained when Harbaugh became the head coach.
The new OL coach, Tim Drevno, is also the offensive coordinator. Last year, he was the running game coordinator and OL coach at USC, where Max Tuerck earned All-American honors on the OL. Previously, he served as the OL coach with the 49's from 2011 - 2013, coaching Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, and Alex Boone among others. (Boone might be your best resource to find out what Drevno is like. I'd assume someone on the board is in touch with Boone. You already are aware of how Boone feels about Harbaugh.) Drevno was at Stanford from 2007 - 2010 (under Jimmy,) coaching the tight ends for two years and the O-line for two years. Under Drevno, the O-line was 2nd in the nation in fewest sacks allowed, and they anchored a brutal running game for the Cardinal.
Suffice to say, Drevno is an upgrade over Funk. His tenure at USC, the 49's, and Stanford speaks for itself. He is heavily involved in recruiting at Michigan. Currently, Michigan has commitments from Bredeson (#1 OG at 247), Onwenu (#8 OG at 247,) and Swenson (#10 OT at 247.) They are in strong contention for Terrance Davis (#9 OT at 247.) And it is possible they would sign a 5th OL in the class.
I won't make excuses for the OL play at Michigan. It has been substandard for a long time. Having said that, OL is the area with the longest lead time needed for development. If you look at the depth chart, Hoke's first class is only now redshirt Juniors. They were expected to have made the jump in this coming year. Should Drevno coach them up, and they have the requisite strength development and mastery of footwork, we could see a significant jump in the OL this coming year.
One more thing. It has long been rumored on Michigan boards that there are several unannounced medicals out there yet to become public. My understanding is that at least two of these are on the OL. The depth chart is not perilous, but recruiting a strong OL class is critical to what Harbaugh wants to do. If there are two medicals, plus attrition of one or two, plus graduation of one, a class of 5 on the OL is needed.
I think a few of you on this board forget how critical a solid OL is to the overall success of the team. I for one believe that if Michigan had had a better OL, it would have significantly changed the record over the last few years. Harbaugh gets this, and you will see an emphasis on the OL going forward.
You know, forget about the 2nd string . . . OSU should go through the whole season with the 3rd string!
I think you're setting your sights too low. TOSU could win ALL their games with the 2nd string. I think, it would be a bit more fair and interesting if OSU played their 2nd string the entire season. Just think of the glory: "OSU goes undefeated, wins Big10 title and National Championship with 2nd string, prepares to play and beat the Browns." Yep, that's it.
So, my user name makes my allegiances clear.
Regarding the OP, as a 2-star recruit, I'm definitely interested in seeing how this guy pans out. I'm really not sure whether he will be a bust or just be someone who hasn't been seen yet. Don't know. Ideally, he redshirts, and has a lot of potential, and is coached up. But who can say? Obv. my hope is that seeing guys live in these camps gives the Michigan coach staff the opportunity to uncover guys that have gone under the radar and don't have the rankings they should. We'll see, won't we? It's obv. Michigan can't waltz in to a 4 or 5 star home like OSU can, and have their pick of the litter.
Regarding Harbaugh and shedding his shirt, and his twitter, and his personality, some will like him, and some won't. It really doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what potential recruits think. Michigan fans seem to think that 16 - 17 year olds will eat this stuff up. TOSU fans seem to think that he is a weird wacko with no dignity that 16 - 17 year old will steer clear of. I guess we'll find out. I'm personally biased, but I kinda think it is pretty cool to see a 50 year old guy who is willing to play ball with kids.
As regards Meyer and Harbaugh and coaching cahones, well, Meyer has the rings. Harbaugh doesn't have a thing. I'm sure neither Urbs nor the team are the least bit scared of Michigan. The Buckeyes have had Michigan's number for a good 10 plus years. So we'll just have to see. But I feel confident that Jimmy is better for Michigan than RickRod or Hoke, and that Michigan will be more competitive. I fully expect Michigan to lose to MSU and OSU this year. But I also expect that they are NOT going to lose to the rest of the teams in stupid ways, although they might just not be good enough to win a couple other games. And I expect that Michigan will be winning their share of games with OSU within the next few years. Honestly, I am of the opinion that having Michigan and OSU both at a high level is more fun and good all around. Many of you would prefer that Michigan stay bad permanently. We'll just have to disagree.
Regarding attrition, the thought is that there are a number of seniors who were redshirts, and who never have really seen the field, who won't be extended a scholarship for the 5th year. There also are at least two and possibly three guys who could be legit medicals. Lastly, there is always some unanticipated attrition, 2 - 3 guys. If you add it all up, the class could easily end up close to 25.
Can't imagine Urbs or Tressel doing something like that. They're more dignified.
Kiante Enis is the nephew of Curtis Enis.
Electronic timed 10.53 100m dash, currently top time in Indiana at that distance. 4.35 40 time. I don't know about that, but the 100m time is legit. Insane stats in HS: 3,189 yards and 49 touchdowns on 299 carries (10.7 YPC). Thing is, not sure what this really means, because the HS is so small, has NEVER had a D1 recruit, competition is bad, etc. Still, 6'1" & 190 lbs, with 10.53 speed, is legit.
He hasn't had many offers from big schools, possibly because he wasn't visible at a small off the radar school, not scouted extensively. The track season has changed that a bit. OSU doesn't need the likes of him because they can focus on 5 stars that are well known and well scouted. Michigan needs to beat the bushes for diamond in the rough recruits.
As a Michigan fan, everything I say is automatically suspect on this board. Still, just a few things . . . I don't think the suspension fits the crime, so to speak, when compared with other suspensions in the league. Second, I really don't know exactly what happened to the footballs. I do think a good part of this punishment is a witch hunt, and the feeling that Brady was "cooperative" enough. Third, I do believe virtually every team does whatever they can to gain a competitive advantage. With this particular issue, I'm sure that the procedure will be changed for all games starting this season. You'll see uniformly inflated balls that aren't under the control of any team, but directly under the direction of the officials or the league. Fourth, it is easy for a lot of people to hate both BB and the Pats as Brady, with their success for many years, and their perceived arrogance. Outside of Michigan and New England fans, most people hate the Pats. It kind of is like hating the Yankees, or hating Alabama football and Nic Saban. Lastly, I would not want to be Indianapolis, nor Goodell. They have made powerful enemies in Kraft and the Patriots. Any predictions on the score of the N.E. / Indy game next Fall?
Love that Harbaugh did this. Of course, Meyer would do the same. I immediately thought of Woody in particular, but also Bo. The PC crowd drives me crazy. Regardless of what you think of the movie (and I happened to like it, seeing it twice,) censoring and shutting down the movie because it potentially traumatizes a viewer is just stupid and wrongheaded. Of course I love Michigan, but sometimes, it really attracts boneheaded leftists.
Princess Bride. Love that movie.
Animal House. Have seen it too many times.
Fascinating question (on parents.) I'd like to know what the parents will do. And opening the checkbook, as noted, is not the answer. Respect for others and for their property was lacking. I also don't let off the hook those who were present, but didn't do a thing.
There are a couple things that have changed, and fraternities and others need to get with the program:
- The Internet. Stories like this go viral quickly, and don't go away.
- What is socially acceptable. Those in a position of privilege have long "gotten away with" heinous behavior. This is changing, and I'm glad for it. Just because you used to be able to be an asshat doesn't mean that you have license to do the same thing now.
Good to see that everyone has a good sense of humor. Gotta laugh at yourself. And if any idiot actually is misled to think this is a real story . . . what are they thinking? Regarding Michigan, I'm waiting until the Onion or SNL puts out a "news story" on the Michigan fraternity trashing the ski resort in northern Michigan this January. That fraternity and sorority deserve to be ridiculed.
Horrible story. Wonderful to find it posted here. I really hope this isn't the end of the matter. Please tell me that the NCAA and Baylor find a way to put this find outstanding young man back on the Baylor team.
Really a terrible night to be a Chicago sports fan. Not only D Rose, but also Patrick Kane from the Blackhawks out for 6 - 10 weeks. It just isn't fun.
If any team knows about "next man up," it is Ohio State. I don't know if we'll ever see something as incredible as having 3 quarterbacks, and two contributing tremendously to a National Championship.
It will be really interesting to see what happens with the Bulls. They are incredibly deep. Obviously, you can't "replace" Rose. But this year, Pau Gasol, Jimmy Butler, and Nikola Mirotic have made a huge difference. Actually, I could see them winning one series in the playoffs (without Rose,) and being pretty competitive the next series after that. Still, it sucks.
My trapped story has to do with a plane, and my regrets at being frugal. I have traveled a fair amount, flying to Japan, Korea, German, Austria, Brazil, Argentina, and obviously, around the country. On this particular trip, I was on a South American carrier on my way to Asuncion, Paraguay, to do service work in slums located at the garbage dump. In Miami, the gate agent asked if I wanted to upgrade my seat for more leg room, for about $100. I declined, which was a big mistake. I am about 6'4", and weigh north of 250 pounds. From Miami south, including connecting flights, it was tolerable, and unremarkable. Leaving Paraguay, however, it was a different story. Literally every seat on the plane was filled. There was no extra space on the plane whatsoever. I ended up in a seat with no leg room. What was worse, the passenger in front of me was pregnant, and had the seat as fully reclined as possible, for 8 hours. The seatback TV was broken. All I could do was suck it up. And I knew that in the future, if I ever have the chance to upgrade to a seat with more leg room, I would jump on the opportunity.