First of all, no one knows how Gary will turn out. But being a consensus number 1 is a pretty strong indicator. Regardless, I don't expect him to start the season. As an analogy, Peppers was good for Michigan, but wasn't there yet. However, the DL is the strongest unit for Michigan. If all you saw was the OSU game, you're rolling your eyes. After all Michigan was gashed badly by Ohio State. As strong as the DL was, Michigan still didn't (and doesn't) have the depth OSU has. With three starters out (Glasgow, Mone, and Ojemudia), Michigan couldn't survive the end of the season on the DL. Next year, Michigan will be pretty deep on the DL. This allows them to have 8 guys in the regular rotation. Gary will be part of that rotation, but will go in and out, allowing guys on the DL to play with a very strong motor. OSU, of everyone, should know how important line play is, on both sides of the ball. I feel pretty confident about their DL next year. The year after is concerning. And the OL is still a work in progress.
You already took Michael Jordan, Mike Weber, and Jordan Fuller. Quit being greedy.
FTR, there were plenty of those kinds of comments at MGoBlog about Harbaugh back when he smarted off. Funny how things change. To see this in a different setting, look at how Cleveland fans have been as regards Lebron.
Michigan did well. OSU did better. Of course, I'm waiting to see how they do on the field. And realistically, you usually don't see a ton from most of the class until the 2nd year.
While I believe that Michigan will do better against OSU with Harbaugh at the helm, I have no proof. I'll believe it when I see it, and not before.
No, the Harbaugh love is pretty strong at MGoBlog. Anyone over there who criticizes anything Harbaugh does probably has a death wish.
But yeah, reading both sites provides some balance, and the format there leaves a lot to be desired.
FTR, Brunstar, I joined 11W on 2/1/14, more than two years ago. And while I am completely a Michigan fan, there's no need to put lots of Michigan stuff up here. The only reason I posted was the OSU connection in the OP.
I'm not MMan. And if the mods want to ban me, that's ok.
Yeah, I know. It is a sick obsession coming to your board. There are several reasons I hop over here.
- Info about OSU. Keep your enemy close, and all that. I mean, I have to weed out the over the top OSU homers, but that's true with Michigan homers too. And I have to just ignore all the "Eff TTUN" and refusal to use the letter "M" (Smh, rolling my eyes). Whatever. But this is a great source of info on OSU football.
- The obsession with Michigan. Honestly, I think there are an awful lot of posts about UM here. Just sayin'.
- MGoBlog's format and servers suck. I'm hoping that gets fixed sometime. Love the content, love Brian, but they need to get the re-design done.
The only thing I didn't know was the part about the prof presenting at SOTS. That was new info, and made sense.
BTW, for anyone who is bored, the Willis Ward story is really interesting. Ga. Tech in 1934 refused to play Michigan if Ward took the field. Michigan's AD and former coach at the time, Fielding Yost, was a racist from WVa, and agreed to Tech's terms. Ward's teammate, Gerald Ford, was absolutely incensed, and the Michigan campus really took Ward's side. Of course, racism has been around forever, but it is fascinating to see how it played out on the gridiron. There was a cool graphic yesterday from EDSBS showing the first year black students were allowed on the field, especially in the SEC. Dark period in our country's history. The movie last Fall called "Woodlawn," which actually got an "83" on rotten tomatoes, partially explores what happens in Tuscaloosa, Alabama in the 50's around this whole issue.
Of course, OSU was ahead of the curve on racism with Jesse Owens too. (don't know about the football team in Columbus and when they integrated). Owens set 4 world records at Ferry Field in Ann Arbor in May 1935, in the span of 45 minutes. That's 1 world record every 11 minutes. Here's a link to an SI article, calling this the "Greatest 45 minutes EVER in sports."
I'm waiting to see the same thing. Personally, I find myself rolling my eyes when some recruits talk about "academics." But, there are some who are legitimately interested. It's interesting that Jake Rudock, who just finished a grad transfer year as Michigan's QB, is planning to go to med school. Obviously, academics are important to him. Some of the guys? Not so much.
CTBuckeyeFan, fair enough. The key guy on the DL, Ryan Glasgow, went out with a torn pec against Rutgers. And Brian Mone, supposedly better than Glasgow, went out with a broken leg in pre-season camp. But that's just making excuses. You have to play "next man up." Until the DL plays a lot better against OSU (and everyone else), it is all just talk. And one player won't make the difference. Still, I'm really looking forward to next November. OSU will not be playing the same kind of Michigan team they've been playing for too long.
That's why they play the games! I don't know Gary personally. Just a Michigan fan. However, what apparently was impressive wasn't just what he did in games. After all, like you said, that was against high schoolers. What was impressive was his total complete domination in camps and in the post season all star game. When he was playing against 5 star offensive linemen, no one could stop him. No one. You don't get a consensus number one ranking for nothing. You don't get rated "most NFL ready" because you're fat. Consistently, he was praised because of his high motor, and because he never quits a play. Having said that, I'd love to see what time in a college strength and conditioning program will do. Because the DL is Michigan's strength, he won't need to play many snaps either.
Regarding Spring Practice, Harbaugh announced today that Michigan begins their Spring practice down at IMG in Florida for a week. Creative and fun way to get to work.
Mgoblog has serious server and design problems. It is irritating and embarrassing. Hopefully they get it upgraded in the off-season.
I think OSU got the last number 1 in the Big10 with TP.
Congratulations. Another great job of recruiting from Urban Meyer. Of course, I'm thrilled with Michigan's class too, with the exception of losing Baltimore OT Devery Hamilton to Stanford. Imhe, the two classes are pretty closely ranked. Each class has different strengths and weaknesses. Obv. Gary is a strength on the DL. With the loss of Hamilton, the OL recruiting was weaker than needed.
Regardless, If both schools get about the same level of class again in 2017, we'll be able to make a better judgement on coaching and development, since the talent level will equal out quite a bit. Let the games begin.
Not a fan of that band. Still would take Stanford in a heartbeat. If I had had the money, applied, been admitted, I think I'd quite possibly have gone to Stanford over Michigan. It at least would have been a tossup. What about you? If money didn't matter, and you could choose between OSU and Stanford, which way would you choose?
Too soon to tell. Bo was 5 - 4 - 1 vs. Woody. Harbaugh is already down 0 - 1. If Harbaugh is like Cooper (win lots of games, but lose to OSU), he's not as good as Bo. If he has a .500 record against OSU, he's as good. If he does better than that, well, than yeah, Harbaugh would be better than Bo. Thing is, let's wait and see how long Harbaugh (and Meyer) stick around.
I'll just say that I'm a fan, and I haven't heard both sides of the story, and I doubt I ever will be privy to hear both sides of the story. But my own experience in life is that sometimes, two people can have a very different perspective of what happened. Classic example: when someone gets divorced, both sides often see things and color things very differently. The most I'll say is that Harbaugh needs to be crystal clear going forward. He may have thought he was being clear, but wasn't nearly clear enough. Coming back to what I began with, I'd love to hear what Harbaugh has to say.
Actually, no, I love Harbaugh. He's a lunatic, in a way, but I think he's crazy like a fox. Best thing that ever happened to Michigan football. A lot of prospects love him. He'll be in Ann Arobr a long time, and he will lead a competitive team. Oh, and I'm not too worried about parents and coaches and future prospects being scared off. I fully believe he'll get plenty of solid recruits, and fight OSU every last inch, for recruits and for wins. Regarding Harbaugh and recruiting, I have absolutely no problem with him having sleepovers and climbing trees and playing shirts and skins and doing summer satellite camps. Regarding taking away verbal offers, as long as he was clear in the offer, and what it takes to keep it, I'm good with that. I've drank the koolaid. I fully believe that he was upfront with Swenson. But then, I'm a Michigan fan.
Losing Devery Hamilton sucks. There is no other way to look at it. Having said that, if you go to mgoblog, there are many who can't fault him. If you ever visit Stanford's campus, it is beautiful. The climate is great. The academics are great. The football team is pretty good. It sucks as a Michigan fan, but every prospect needs to make the decision that is best for him. Some Michigan fans conveniently forget that this cuts two ways. Just this week, Michigan picked up a commitment from 4 star CB David Long, formerly committed to . . . Stanford! You win some, you lose some.
I will say, the recruiting class is still in a lot of flux. Gary, Fuller, Asiasi, plenty of guys are still out there yet to announce.
I don't know. I personally have been critical of how things have been done. I'm in the camp of giving prospects plenty of time to know whether they have a committable offer. Not only that, if Michigan knows it is going in a different direction, let committed players know so they can look elsewhere.
On the other hand, Michigan needs to compete now and be relevant now. Anything JH does to bring recruiting to a higher level, provided it is within the rules, makes sense.
The thing is, I don't really know how Harbaugh is communicating with prospects and parents and even the current players on the team. He generally gets kudos for shooting straight and telling it like it is. Next year will tell us a lot. If Michigan is competitive and improves next year over this year, that would tell prospects that his coaching and his methods work. Some kids like to be part of an up and coming program, the "next big thing." If that's how Michigan is perceived, it will be attractive to some.
It also remains to be seen exactly how things will go with recruiting in 2017. There was a piece on ESPN by Tom VanHaaren which said the quality of the class in year two (i.e., 2016 for Harbaugh) was critical. Because Harbaugh and his staff didn't have built up relationships with prospects last year, they were already behind the eight ball, so to speak. Because of their track record, and time to establish relationships, things should be different in 2017 and going forward. Already, there are a ton of Michigan offers out for 2017 and 2018. For instance, Michigan just offered 4 more guys in Ohio for 2018: Jaelen Gills, Leonard Taylor, Antwuan Johnson, and L'Christian Smith. Some of these guys may be offered by OSU, and may stay in Ohio. But some of them, with Michigan offering two years before NSD 2018, might consider Michigan. Michigan and Harbaugh have time to build the relationship.
Reportedly was in the doghouse in the Fall for marijuana. A fairly recent repeat offender, leading to his dismissal from the team. Different situation then some others who are not returning to Michigan. Cole was given conditions to meet, and failed to do so. It's a shame . . . very talented, and given the chance to succeed. Unfortunately made poor choices. Because of HIPPA and privacy concerns, along with wanting to see him get a second chance elsewhere, I doubt you will see much public coverage on this. I don't believe there were any arrests by law enforcement. At some point, you will hear standard boilerplate language from the coach about "failing to meet team standards, released due to choices detrimental to the team," etc., etc., etc.