OSU is continuing to kill it on the recruiting trail. Good for y'all. Michigan is catching up, but you have an average ranking for the ages.
I just don't see Michigan making it to the playoff. Too much in the way of politics involved.
But man, I would die for a rematch. As much as I would hate to see Michigan lose, I'd love for Michigan (and OSU) to have the chance to make things clear. I'd rather see Michigan lose twice to OSU than never have the chance. And with Michigan's defense, and with Speight healthy, I like Michigan's chances . . . a lot. Michigan was hurt by injury way more than OSU was in the Game. If Speight has the full arsenal of passes available, this changes playcalling significantly.
You're probably right. I don't think they'll be at the top next year. A lot depends on how the recruiting class ends up. Michigan could legitimately end up with 4 five star guys. (Najee Harris, Alex Leatherwood, Donovan Peoples-Jones, and Isaiah Wilson. I really doubt Browning or Holmes end up going blue.) But there is a lot of solid talent out there considering Michigan. 18 four star guys, and 7 three star guys. Michigan is helped a bit by how small OSU's class is. They also are being helped by the defensive coordinator (Brown) and having Mattison coaching the DL. QB recruiting, you just can't go wrong with JH. People know what he did with Luck, et al. Point is, things are turning around quickly. They'll be a bit young next year, but that's ok. Once the OL really turns around, you will see the Michigan of old, imho.
I think that Michigan's DL outplayed your OL . . . but what was really terrible was Michigan's OL play. Particularly in creating running lanes (not pass protection). Michigan's defense played well enough to win. Come on: your two TD's came because of your defense, not your offense. And regarding those interceptions: it was obvious Speight wasn't 100%. They didn't let him run at all, which made play action useless. And he clearly didn't have the arm to get it downfield: Michigan didn't attempt a single long pass. If Speight was fully healthy, it would have been a different game. Not saying Michigan would necessarily have won, but he was crippled, and OSU took advantage, as they should have.
I don't begrudge OSU the win. They won the game fair and square (well, mostly). I'm just saying that imhe, this game could easily have gone either way. This wasn't a game where one team was clearly much better than the other.
Sarcasm doesn't become you. OSU won. Be happy. Gloat, if you want. To the winner goes the spoils.
I agree with you . . . see above. Pass Pro was decent. However, either because of injury, or because of wanting to get the ball out FAST, Speight didn't through downfield vertically. And that hurt.
I do think JH and Drevno are putting MASSIVE energy into recruiting the OL. They are still in on 5 stars Leatherwood (#6 in country, #2 at position), Isaiah Wilson (31 nationally, 7 at position), 4 stars Slaton (55 nationally, 2 at position), Ruiz (center, 65 nationally, 1 at position). They already have 4 stars Herbert and Hall, and 3 stars Stueber and Honigford. Michigan is stocking up on the OL, and things are changing going forward.
I'm pretty much with Brian at mgoblog. Namely, even if the spot was bad (which, being biased, I would agree with,) they're never going to overturn that call. It certainly wasn't indisputable. Of course, I'm bitter that Michigan lost again. But what can you do? Really, a game like this is a classic, and you just hate to be on the bad side of it. But what can you do? I pretty consistently called that OSU would win this game, but that it would be close. And that's exactly what happened. The score was higher, but that's largely because of 2OT.
There are so many things I can blame. I don't think you ever leave the game in the hands of the refs, though. I really hate 3 of the calls. The non-call for PI, when Perry was hooked, the call for PI on Thomas, iirc, when the pass was uncatchable, and the unsportsmanlike on JH. Regarding the latter, I wouldn't mind if that same call had been made all year . . . but to let it go every game, and call it Saturday? SMH.
I also have been concerned about the OL for many, many years. It started with Rich Rod, and continued with Hoke. Bad, bad decisions on the OL. OSU gets this: it all starts with line play. Kalis has been substandard for years. It just is a fact. Wait until the NFL draft, and see who gets drafted out of UofM. Michigan just has sucked on the OL, and you see it in the run game. We couldn't run against OSU. That's why Michigan is being so aggressive in OL recruiting. Until the OL is solid, the team will never win. I think Michigan's defense was more than good enough.
The other thing was Wilton Speight. My opinion is that his injury really kept him from hitting the long ball. I think if he was fully healthy, Michigan would have had a much better chance of winning. (well, imhe, they would have won). Play action was useless because OSU knew he wasn't going to run. The play design was for him to get rid of the pass quickly, to avoid letting OSU tee up. As bad as Michigan's OL was, they were decent in pass protection.
I don't mind that OSU won. I mean, obviously I mind, but no sour grapes here. I just think the teams were reasonably even on Saturday. If Speight had been healthy, yeah, I think Michigan would have won. Again, just my opinion.
What's changed for me is that I think Michigan will be competitive next year. I think JH and Michigan are going to finish the recruiting year very strong. For the last 10 - 15 years, I have felt Michigan wasn't competitive with you guys. I no longer fear OSU. Here's an analogy (weak, but an analogy). I feel like Michigan has been Neo, waking up and realizing it has power. And OSU has been Agent Smith, a machine that has destroyed Michigan. After last Saturday, I feel like Michigan( Neo) realizes it can compete. And JH is going to bring the players on board to compete. Remember, he did this largely with Hoke's players. Starting next year, and every year after that, JH will have the players on board who he wants on board.
JT. He should be your QB next year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. He has been good for OSU straight through.
It is just a game. Glad no students lost their lives.
FTR, congratulations on your win. Until the 3rd quarter interception, I had hope. And I have hope for Michigan going forward. Could have gone either way. Michigan isn't there yet.
Congrats on the win. Michigan couldn't overcome their substandard OL. I love Harbaugh, and I look forward to the game next year. Good luck, wherever you play next.
Must be a sure thing. If Mark May says so, who can go against the wisdom? I guess y'all are gonna be liking Mark May now. Shoot, everyone is picking the Buckeyes to win: ESPN, the Detroit Free Press, the Detroit News, Mgoblog, every last one of them has OSU winning. How could anything go wrong?
Now let me see . . . there was another contest recently, November 8, if I recall correctly, when everyone picked one team to win. I mean, it was OBVIOUS to anyone who was anyone, especially to all the experts, that it was a sure thing, that there basically was almost no point in the competition, because the winner had already been crowned . . .
On another note, for some reason, the line in Vegas has been shifting. It has been at 6.5 all week, peaked at 7.5, and is now heading the other way . . . line was at 5, and is heading down. Wonder what's up with that.
Looking forward to the game. Great round table.
I am pessimistic about Michigan's QB situation. I don't think Michigan can win with O'Korn. And I don't know how badly injured Speight is.
If Speight is healthy, and the Michigan OL gives him time and protects him, I could see both teams scoring somewhere between 14 and 28 points, and I couldn't predict who would win.
If O'Korn plays QB, I think that OSU will blow Michigan out once again.
FTR, mgoblog predicts an OSU win. The Detroit Free Press predicts an OSU win. The Detroit predicts an OSU win. ESPN predicts an OSU win.
None of them predict the blowout that y'all are predicting. We will see. Several things I'll be watching for.
- QB starter for Michigan. Don't think UM can win with O'Korn, or severely compromised Speight.
- DL for UM vs. Weber, Samuel, JT. Is the DL good enough to stop OSU's run game?
- JT running. This has been huge, but does he risk injury by too much running.
- JT passing. I don't think the weather's a factor. Is JT able to pass accurately?
- Special teams. Can Michigan block an OSU punt? Can Peppers return a punt or kickoff?
- UM OL. I just don't think the talent is there. But can they manage to open some running lanes for RB's?
- Coaching. We know that Meyer is an excellent coach. Can Harbaugh, along with Brown and Drevno (and Mattison, and others,) tweak the formations and play calls and trick plays in a way that takes advantage of OSU's tendencies? The Buckeye's play vs. Wisconsin and MSU (and PSU) makes me think that good coaching might be able to make a difference. Because Michigan is NOT going to be able to out - talent OSU.
- Capitalizing on luck. Some teams cause turnovers. Others just get lucky. Interceptions, bad bounces, broken plays, fumbles, etc., can really make a huge difference. You can't play conservatively, in a way NOT to lose. That has been Michigan's problem for years. Having said that, I've watched this game for about 40 years now, and I've seen both teams get their share of good (and bad) luck. I'll say, it seems to me like Michigan is due. But you can never count on luck for a win. You need to make your own luck.
My prediction: OSU 17, Michigan 13.
Good luck. May be the best team win. (Although, I'll be rooting for the Wolverines all the way.)
Don't believe the collarbone was broken. You can't play someone with a broken collarbone, end of story. That's not to say he wasn't hit hard and isn't sore. But how effective Speight will be, and how well he can avoid getting clobbered, remains to be seen. I don't think that a 80 - 90% Speight is way better than O'Korn. I just struggle to see Michigan beating OSU if O'Korn is the QB. My guess is that Speight plays QB, but they cut out anything in the playbook that necessitates him taking a hit. If he has decent pass protection and can still throw quickly, this will open up the field for the Wolverines. He just won't stand quite as long in the pocket, and will slide or get out of bounds a lot quicker.
I've avoided commenting much over here at 11W. But yeah, how JT does running the ball is the key to the game, imhe. He is going to be able to pass some, but only some. He just isn't good enough, and Michigan's secondary is pretty good. The issue on the passing is that JT has to be dead on to beat Michigan's CBs consistently. I just don't see that happening.
The key, though, is OSU's running game. If Michigan can't stop Weber, Samuels, and JT from running, well, then Michigan doesn't deserve to win. But I, for one, am really looking forward to JT's happy feet, and his trying to extend plays with his running ability and escapability. I want to see how well that works against Michigan. There is a reason you don't see very many QB's like JT in the NFL. They get killed. I want to find out whether or not Michigan's DL is really good or not. We know they are good, but are they really good? If they are really good, they are going to exploit a couple of weak links in your OL, and they are going to clobber JT if he keeps on trying to run. Wormley, Hurst, Charlton, Gary and Glasgow are going to be hunting JT down. I truly don't want them to ever play dirty, but just playing hard, clean football, I'm waiting to see whether or not they can wrap JT up and deliver hard hits. That, in my mind, will determine a whole lot in this game.
Fortunately for OSU, you don't have to score a lot of points. Unless Speight has a miraculous recovery, Michigan is going to be killed with O'Korn playing QB. What a nightmare. I don't see how Michigan scores offensively if O'Korn is leading the offense.
Generally nice article. Interesting that the comments think all the credit goes to Meyer, and Harbaugh is just a "Jimmy come lately." I'll grant that Harbaugh hasn't won a thing yet . . . no Super Bowl, no Pac 10, no Big 10, no OSU. I guess the NFC championships and beating USC and the Pioneer Championships and the Orange Bowl don't mean a thing. But I am fine with OSU and their fans thinking Harbaugh is a has been, no talent, weird, sad, pathetic, lonely, etc., etc., etc. Being overlooked and undervalued, both as a team and as a coach, is a great recipe for Michigan being able to eventually beat OSU.
Just a few quibbles . . .
Franklin beat Ohio State this season and with a win against Michigan State—who until this season had been on the rise under Mark Dantonio, making the Playoff last year—on Saturday, will earn a trip to the Big Ten title game.
Obviously, you are making a big assumption. Namely, that Michigan will lose to OSU this Saturday. You want that to happen, and that's what the line predicts. But in the event that Michigan upsets OSU, then Michigan, not PSU, would earn a trip to the Big Ten title game, having won head to head versus OSU and PSU.
The conference is earning respect, as evident by having three teams in the AP Poll at this point in the season for the first time in 58 years.
Actually, I think this is three times in the top 5 of the AP Poll at this point in the last 56 years. But quibbling aside, the point is that the Big 10 is much better than it has been for some time.
I've thought about this. Yeah, I think you were over the top. And FTR, I would say the same to a Michigan fan who did the same thing. I like the suggestion to say "Go Bucks" or "Go Buckeyes" in response. "42 - 13" works too. Reminding them that OSU has owned Michigan this century. I guess you could say "Michigan sucks."
Personally, especially with kids, I would avoid things like "Fuck Michigan" (or "Fuck OSU") or "prepare your anus."
I definitely would avoid anything that shifts it away from the other team to the person, as in I would avoid "Drop Dead," "Fuck You," "You're an asshole," "Eat my dick," "Bend over, bitch," "You're a cocksucker," etc., etc.
I mean, come on. It is a game. You always want to win. You never want Michigan to win. I've got no problem with that. I feel the exact opposite. But don't make it angry and personal. Just doesn't reflect well.
And regarding not being interrupted, I don't buy that. If you don't want to be interrupted, eat at home or in a private room. In a restaurant, or a a public place, having someone say in passing "Go Blue" or "Go Bucks" is hardly worthy of the claim of "being interrupted."
- Kraft (or store brand) macaroni and cheese.
- Wonder bread (or soft, sweet white bread)
- Most Balogna.
- Cheese whiz.
- Individually wrapped supposed cheese slices.
- Mashed potatoes from potato flakes.
- Canned fruit cocktail, especially with metal can taste.
- Many canned veggies. Carrots, lima beans, green beans, etc.
- Overcooked dried meat . . . dry, stringy chicken, turkey, beef pot roast is all terrible.
- Twinkies, ho hos, plastic wrapped "danish."
- Frozen pizza, or bad pizza.
I don't know how to PM you.
Yep. Just praying that things get better before they get a lot worse.
Yeah, prob the best advice for me is just stfu. Which is more or less why I haven't been on this board for a bit.
Not sure what you're saying. Self-disclosure is rarely good on a forum like this. Will just say that my son pulling away from his family is the hardest part. Every parent experiences that. But he really isn't making good choices. I guess, if his grades were decent, some of you would say his choices don't matter. But between grades, weed, alcohol, sex, and petty criminal friends, we're not very happy as parents.
I'm beyond being upset with anyone, but yeah, knowing my 15 year old son is drinking, smoking weed, skipping classes, doing poorly . . . not a happy dad. Never too early to start drinking? I don't know about that. He's adopted. His bio mom started partying around that age. She's in prison now for making and selling meth to an undercover cop. He has mild FAS stuff. Not major, but yeah, when you drink and do drugs while pregnant, it isn't a great idea. So I guess I'll have to disagree with you, johnblairgobucks. But no downvotes from me.
Yep. I should say, the girls aren't the worst problem. I'm not happy about weed, theft from us, giving the key to our house to a "friend" and finding out that 50 some teens were in our house for booze, weed, and sex last Spring Break while our family was in Florida. I'm also not happy about all the dishonesty and lack of transparency. And his grades are in the tank.
No, and no.