Carlos Hyde got the benefit of the doubt from Urban and a suspension. Dunn not so much. Both 5th year seniors. What is the difference? In my opinion when it comes to potential altercations with women, the second one is the right call all the time. Good move.
What do you mean? Saban kicks them off the team if they aren't going to be starters and he needs the roster space. Isn't that good enough?
Thanks for the info. That would make sense. The opportunity is there for the "3" years it would be doable. I appreciate the info.
Maybe not. It could be they wanted to send a freshman in general as a sales pitch, and Mack earned it over the other freshman. Unless they specifically wanted to send a freshman WR. If so, then the sales pitch would probably be directed at DPJ since he is looking for that type of thing. If calculated, I would be more likely to believe it was just wanting to send a freshman in general though.
True, it isn't the length of a traditional internship, but they are still getting paid and essentially a free trip to New York. This has more perks to it than just a job shadow in your own hometown or near the university that comes at the player's own expense.
Either way, this is a a way better way to use a school's network to provide opportunities instead of just handing players cash. I would be for this type of thing gaining ground at other programs. Who knows, it might be happening elsewhere and tOSU is just better at the PR game.
DPJ's is different. He actually is job shadowing, which is unpaid and you follow people around as they do their job. The tOSU one is a very exclusive paid internship opportunity in New York. People on here have commented how difficult it is to get this opportunity, but here you have 3 football players getting it, one of them who hasn't even completed his freshman year of college. So hooking up players with a well paid gig in New York seems like it would carry a higher risk of a NCAA infraction to me, especially since someone who could be labeled as a booster is involved. I think everything is on the up and up, I just think this is one of those things that can help determine where the impermissible benefit line may lie. The general public always thinks they know, but coaching staffs get creative when testing the lines. I think this is one of those.
Haha, yes, you are absolutely right. He had a familiar look to him and I couldn't place it until you said it. That is great.
Here is the bio of Jim McNamara.
James A. McNamara is the global head of the Goldman Sachs Asset Management Third Party Distribution business. He is responsible for the global distribution of mutual funds, separately managed accounts, retirement products and sub-advisory services through third party intermediaries such as banks, trust companies, and broker-dealers. He is also responsible for the global distribution of cash products sold directly and on a third party basis. Additionally, he has oversight of GSAM’s Defined Contribution business. Mr. McNamara serves as President and is a member of the Board of Trustees of Goldman Sachs Trust, the U.S. mutual fund family, and is a member of the Firmwide New Activity Committee and the Structured Investment Products Committee. He also serves on the Investment Management Division Client and Business Standards Committee.
Previously, Mr. McNamara was head of U.S. Third Party Distribution and prior to that, was director of Institutional Fund Sales in charge of the Bank Trust and Corporate Cash businesses. He joined Goldman Sachs in 1998, was named managing director in 2000, and partner in 2006. Prior to joining the firm, he was a Senior Vice President and Eastern Regional Sales Manager for the Dreyfus Institutional Service Corporation.
Mr. McNamara earned a BS from Ohio State University.
First off, that is a really impressive resume Jim has, so that is why I included it all. It is interesting though that he is a tOSU grad, with this being something that could be labeled in a recruiting advantage scenario. Given the connection, he would have to be involved in having this set up, through direct involvement or through influence. I think everything is above board here and the program is great, but I would be curious as to how you work around the risk of the booster angle. I just find that type of thing interesting and wouldn't mind knowing. We hear a lot about satellite camps, spring break trips, bagmen, but when the actual end result is something like this, we don't get to know. My curiosity wants to know! Congrats to Burrow, Hubbard, and Mack, you got an opportunity not a lot of people get.
Yes, just like Michigan wanted to chase off a promising 4* EE running back. The Dean situation is a similar scenario, only tOSU recruited Damon Arnette to take Dean's slot after he had already enrolled. They had to cut him loose, there was no room, and that cost Dean a year.
Also, I'm not denying that Harbaugh has cut guys loose. Hell, he openly admits it with his meritocracy comment. If you continue to work hard and listen to the coaches, you get to keep your slot. What I am saying is that they do encourage kids to look elsewhere before they slow contact. Honestly, it isn't any different than Meyer and crew. According to Sibley's interviews, he didn't hear from the tOSU coaches anymore after they told him he would have to take a grey shirt. That is the equivalent of telling your ex that you still want to be friends. You don't really want to, and secretly you want them to go away, you just don't want to look like the bad guy.
Falcon's situation sucked, yes, but is was handled way better than the Jamel Dean situation at tOSU. The Michigan coaching staff was open and honest with Falcon before he signed on the dotted line that because of his injury history and recovery progress, they only had a medical scholarship for him. This happened at a time when he could make a choice with no negative impact on his eligibility. tOSU waited until Dean was on campus, even though they had already recruited another prospect to fill his slot, and then told him they were going to medical him, even though he had an expert opinion from Dr. Andrews that he could in fact play. He chose to transfer, but was forced to have to sit out a year. There are now reports that he is competing for a starting spot at Auburn. If Falcon was screwed as you say, then what tOSU did to Dean was ethically worse.
As for Swenson, his situation was never about talent. His was that he refused to listen and do what the Michigan coaches asked of him. Who is to say he would listen any better once on campus? Nothing, so his offer was pulled.
It is because Swenson is the only one that complained. Weaver defended Harbaugh and said that he knew the situation at all times. The one other one had nothing but good things to say about Harbaugh and Michigan. So really, it just comes down to Swenson complaining that he was wronged, and enough sources have come out to say that clear expectations were in fact set up, the only problem was that when he wasn't following the coaches' requests, they should have pulled his offer sooner.
Birm, thanks for everything you've done. You worked diligently with class. I respect the way you handled your business and appreciate it. Sad to see you go, but excited for you and wish you luck.
My guess is both, but my understanding is Sitkowski is #1 on Michigan's board. Harbaugh won't shy away from a good athlete though. Example being Gentry. Brought him in as a QB but now he has been moved to TE. DTR would have the possibility to change positions too.
Birm, everything I've read about Artur, Michigan and non Michigan sites included, has Michigan leading for him. This is the first write-up I've seen that suggests tOSU would be close enough to talk commitment. I'm not saying it isn't possible but just wondering if there is something you know here or just hyping a visit?
I'm not saying anyone cares either way. That is not the point. What I am saying is that the only way a coach is allowed to have face to face contact with a recruit right now is if they are working a camp. Urban definitively was not working the camp by all accounts. What he did was a bump rule violation according to the NCAA bylaws. Even if it gets ruled that, it really isn't egregious anyway. Nothing would happen over it.
Here is a more interesting question, would Urban have showed up if Harbaugh was working the camp? My opinion is no because Urban has been working hard to avoid talking about Harbaugh with the media. What is your opinion?
It's amazing to me how far up your own asshole you Michigan fans have your heads.
First off, WOW. I could only wish to be that talented. Trust me, I'm not that athletic.
Secondly, I'm not saying there isn't any recruiting benefit, but come on. You have to at least work the camp as per the rules. By all accounts the Michigan coaches are out there doing that, busting their asses. Here, Urban isn't even trying to pretend what he is doing is anything other than recruiting. In my opinion this is probably really a bump rule violation. Which if it is, there is no teeth behind that rule anyway, so it is worth rolling the dice. I don't even have a problem with it, but won't be surprised if the SEC starts talking about this type of thing when they go on their crusade again next year.
This is what I mean when I say it would be hard to enforce. See below with what the media reported.
Around the halfway mark of camp, Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer showed up to the fields. He greeted Carman and departed. - link
Does that really look like that visit is in the spirit of the satellite camp rule?
Another point, he there is no mention of him interacting with any of the camp staff either, only mention of him approaching the one camper.
Is it really defendable if one said he worked the camp? In my opinion it is pretty blatantly recruiting. Like I said, it is a good move with a great reward to risk ratio, but I don't think anyone could say he worked that camp and believe it. Not when he only talked to one recruit that happened to be the highest rated prospect there.
+1 for you Woodshed. Funny reply.
Urban's visit is definitely working the grey area of these camps. The only way a coach gets to visit a recruit right now is by working at these camps. According to all the reports I've read about Urban's visit, he didn't work the camp. He showed up, talked to a recruit or two and then just left. The question is, could it be considered a recruiting violation according to the NCAA?
My personal opinion is that it was a smart move. Got the all important face time with Carman, and I would say the risk of it ending up being branded as a violation is zero to none, even if by the letter of the law, it may be. It is too hard to police and at worst would be a slap on the wrist. Props to Urban for the move.
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No enemies here. I'm ok with the DVs, usually somebody gets my playful sarcasm. Thanks for the counter.
Congrats on landing Martell tonight. Do you think Clark sticks now or moves on? I'm thinking he will stick, but it is a small class this year, so is there enough room for 2 QBs?
Tough crowd today.
I hadn't heard that. I know they hired Flanagan's HS coach who is a former NFL player as well as Jabrill Peppers former HS coach. ;)
Only if an offer can be proven. Not sure why all these dads and hs coaches are hanging around the program. Seems like they have nothing better to do I guess. Haha.
Only one mom has been hire, and Harbaugh already knew her from his time at Stanford. She was given a job in the department and is responsible for player development (academics). She is a former principal and educator. So far she has gotten rave reviews from recruits' parents, with Michael Jordan's parents having been some of the more vocal until his commitment to tOSU. Here is a link to the article.
Sorry, I didn't see the that Lewis had done it too. Wish he hadn't done it either.
That's true with Zeke, he was in that limbo phase between the NFL and college. It still is an example of a player going after a coach though, just not any real way to police it, but Urban could still try to use his influence through.