Thanks, I do. If you follow Michigan sports, you can get more of the back story and not just what the press puts out there for page clicks. All of the kids that "decommitted" from Michigan, except for Swenson, still visited other schools because they were encouraged to by the coaching staff. It was also communicated ahead of time that there was a chance they wouldn't have a scholarship. Why do you think a couple defended Harbaugh after their decommits? The one that really kicked off the bad press was Swenson because he vocally complained about it. I do think he has some accountability in it though. He was told by the coaches that he needed to do a few things and he didn't do them. He was told his performance during the season would be evaluated (i.e. His scholarship isn't guaranteed). He was also encouraged to visit other schools and didn't do that. He has some accountability in that he helped put himself in a worse situation by not listening to the coaches. Recruits absolutely can't abdicate the ownership of their recruitment to the schools. There is no reason a kid should stop visiting other schools before their senior year, even if they commit. Maybe they do because their is this perception that it makes their offer safer because the school sees their commitment, but Sibley's case shows that is not true. At the end of the day, since schools don't need to honor their end of the commitment, the recruits need to always do what is best for them.
Well, since we are talking about a 2018 kid, I hope he does visit other schools. Especially a kid that will have a ton of options. I mean, look at Sibley as an example. The kid shut his recruitment down early over a year ago when he could have been doing research to make sure he found a best fit. Now he needs to rethink his process and start visiting other schools under a shorter timeline. As for Michigan, their biggest advantage right now is his teammate is a current Michigan commit and I'm sure he feels a little vested in his pick, but it is a long way until he can sign.
I was going to choose not to respond, but your comment made me feel obligated to. I didn't want to disappoint you guys. Have a great weekend everyone!
Well, in this instance, there is also a difference in how the recruit is handling this. This is out because Sibley chose to talk about it. With Swenson, Harbaugh and company asked him to attend their camp so they could evaluate him in person (he was offered and committed under Hoke), he declined, and then he was told fine, but that means you will be evaluated at the end of your season. (I.E. you may or may not get a scholarship). He was also encouraged during his season to go ahead and visit other schools. Swenson said no thanks. I believe Swenson thought he could just ignore that and because of his status, they wouldn't pull his scholarship. Well, they did. They really should have cut the line, but probably thought he would choose to go elsewhere. With Sibley, I think it is kind of similar, but the message is coming out before summer camp season. I'm sure the coaches know offering a greyshirt is essentially giving him his walking papers, it is just a nicer way to put it. Kind of like the "it's not you, it's me" breakup line.
Early enrollees get back dated against the previous class, so for 2017, the number of EEs is based on what your 2016 class numbers were. The limit is 25 total in a class, so let's say your 2016 class was 22. That means they would have only 3 EE spots open for 2017. So even though the limit is 25, this is how some classes get to be larger than it. Example, if the previous year was 4 short, that means that the class size of the current year can be 29 with 4 starting as EEs.
I know that is not a direct quote nor was it Mattison's intended message, but yes, that is the situation to which I refer.
So I wonder if this changes anybody's opinion on what happened between Mattison and that disgruntled Iowa recruit. Seems like a similar type of misunderstanding, only Mattison got blasted and Meyer gets a pass. My stance is the same for both, sometimes you are just going to have a misunderstanding. It is hard to effectively communicate all the time. At least that is what I tell the Mrs, but she doesn't always buy it.
No, that isn't really the point. It is about controlling the story. The SEC, ACC, and even Mark Emmert were going on a publicity campaign to eventually justify why they were going to ban spring break practices (to save the children of course). If Harbaugh stays quiet, then there is absolutely no shot at doing it again in the future because it will already be lost. He will have let them shape public opinion and set up the expectation it will be banned. Instead, he challenges them in a way that makes them uncomfortable and effectively kills their campaign. Now they don't get to make everything easier on themselves. This issue, if taken up and banned will be bigger and the decision is now set up to be greatly scrutinized. Now, Smith chimed in, and while I admit, Harbaugh's response was more sophomori than the others, he has to stay consistent with his challenging to make it effective.
I think my use of the word rebuttal was incorrect because it doesn't really fit what I think his intent is. His intent is less about winning an argument and more about making his detractors uncomfortable to comment on his practices. It is about being the only voice about Michigan football and controlling the storyline in the media. I think that is the true intent.
i appreciate the response. I think maybe I shouldn't have used the word rebuttal in my thoughts, because I believe Harbaughs intent is less about having a nice back and forth conversation and more about making the coaches, ADs, and conference officials uncomfortable. Case in point, Smith essentially backing away from the conversation as well as the ACC and SEC's rabble about spring practice going away. So I really think the intent is to make the person uncomfortable with the conversation, therefore they aren't allowed to control the conversation in the media, leaving Harbaugh and Michigan the only voice about Michigan because those that may publicly criticize most likely don't want to get in a public squabble so they most likely will avoid commenting.
I think one of the questions going forward is, will this effectively quiet critics of some of Michigan's practices or will they still feel comfortable commenting? If they do keep commenting, then Harbaugh's strategy will get old, hence the yet. Right now I think the strategy is proving to be effective for what I think the intent is, but I could always be wrong.
Haha, upvote for you, perfect reply.
It is just my opinion here, but I don't think Harbaugh's response is simply him being an ass, I think there is a bit of strategy here. He isn't just going after anybody, he is responding only to those that comment negatively towards what he is doing. He is setting up the expectation that if you think you can safely criticize him without a response, you are wrong. Expect a rebuttal to your statement (which I believe is fair). Harbaugh doesn't really care what people think, but it is noticeable that the subjects of his rebuttals are uncomfortable with it and tend to not offer any more comments on the topic. It also lets others know what will happen if they do the same, so they might want to tread carefully or else they will become a topic of a national discussion. To me, I think a strategy is at play, and honestly, so far, outside of alienating other teams' fans that aren't going to support him anyway, there haven't really been any negative consequences for Harbaugh yet. It just gets chalked up to, well, that is just who he is. There is a general acceptance of it. I actually find it interesting due to the testing of general societal norms and human behavior that are on display here. One side is expected to adhere to them, while the other party has some general acceptance that they will not.
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He doesn't hold a Michigan offer. I think he still ends up with Sparty.
I have to go with bvtw here. Mostly it just doesn't right. There is no good flow to it. If you are going to reference another's nickname you really just need to add a 2.0 or Jr behind it, don't make a blended abomination that on its own means absolutely nothing and just sounds like gibberish or pig latin.
You didn't miss anything. He voiced a few times that he felt dissed by Michigan because they weren't showing him enough of the proverbial "love." He also wasn't thrilled with the late offer from them too. I'm not sure why they sat on him so long, but I think it obviously impacted his recruitment, as evidenced by that quote by him.
Birm, did you ask about the high school coaches only invite day or the open practice at the end of the week for coaches and fans? My understanding is that recruits will be allowed to attend in the stands, they just don't get to interact. Not to mention, the practice is outdoors, so you can't really stop the kids from watching even if they can't talk. If the kids like what they see, I'm sure that it is possible they might decide to visit. I think the week needs to play out to actually see what the benefit may be.
Are you subtweeting me at the end of your comment? ;)
Fair enough. I guess the point is that I think the season and offseason time for baseball encroaches more on personal time than football does, except for the end of football season and the bowl season.
Honestly, if we are concerned about spring break, then we should be more concerned with the impacts the bowl season has on these young men. That is THE family and friends time of the year and we have absolutely no problem encroaching on that time, season / offseason be damned. I just think the whole argument is stupid and it really is only being talked about because the ACC and SEC want to protect their geographic footprints.
Spring practice is already a big recruiting season. Usually their is a lot of recruits visiting campus to view practices, so going to them is just an acknowledgment that it is already an important time for recruiting.
The other thing is that it has already been voted that the Power 5 conferences will get to play by different rules than everybody else, so this is really just that process getting started in my opinion.
How is it any different than when Meyer responded to the ruckus over his early recruiting practices at tOSU or when a tOSU coach subtweets about another school such as Michigan?
If another program feels the need to comment and offer their opinion, then it is considered a fair business practice to respond. Harbaugh isn't commenting about programs that aren't talking about him, he is talking about those that do. It is also important not to let the other side control the narrative. If he doesn't respond then the SEC gets to control the story without needing to worry about any repercussions. I think it is much more effective for them to know that if they are going to go around and state their opinions, there will be a rebuttal. Emmert, Swankey, and Swofford have more to lose getting in a public pissing match than Harbaugh does. Most likely if Harbaugh hadn't responded, they would still be riding around on their high horse. You are conceding when you let the other side control the narrative.
I would have to respectfully disagree. Baseball season is longer and they play more games than football, so I would say baseball season is more demanding on time. Their season even stretches into the summer. Not to mention, it is common for them to also do these types of trips in the fall. Just look at Vanderbilts trip this past fall. Not to mention, the SEC doesn't seem to care that the northern college teams spend almost their entire first month or so of their season in the south because it is too cold for them to play in the north.
The question was do they as much, not if they talk about him. There aren't nearly as many Meyer threads on their sites as there are Harbaugh ones here.
Do you really think any of the Michigan players don't want to go to Florida to practice. When I was in high school our baseball team went to Myrtle Beach for spring break and they loved it. This is really just a similar experience.
My high school's baseball team goes to Myrtle Beach every year during their spring break for practice, so why can't a college do the same?
If the SEC is so interested in protecting the children then why aren't they listening to them? Multiple Michigan players have voiced that they are looking forward to it and think the extra free time around their finals will be helpful. I don't see any negatives here for anybody.