So basically his argument is.... "MSU is the best team the in country. If you take away those 3 quarters they would have won those games, and still been undefeated". Interesting.... so we can just omit any quarters in which we are out played?! Great point of view. This is on par with being the dumbest comment since Palmer stated "Stanford wins, if they play Stanford football". Quite comical..
Well said I would agree. Hope the ignorant comment didn't come across to negatively, was meant as we don't know what prompted the decision and your statement seemed pretty attacking IMO. Part of me would agree that some of his decision to sit out may have been draft stock related, but the kid was a top tier talent in college and now in the NFL... you typically don't get to that kind of level if you don't thrive on the chance of competing and wanting to be better than your opponent. And also agree this forum is awesome for being able to have discussions about other perspectives on our beloved buckeyes.
MAybe he should be playing both ways... LB?!? Best hit I have seen from a QB since Andy Luck at Stanford.
I understand why a lot of be give Roby a hard time, but I am not sure it is all warranted. Not to mention this is a pretty ignorant statement. The guy was hurt, and to think Roby has issue with pairing up against competition is just ridiculous. The guy is playing in the NFL facing "Watkins" WR every week. By your logic he wouldn't be showing up to even play in the NFL, just sit on his signing and bonus check. We will never know for sure, but the kid was and still is a Buckeye give some respect, I am pretty sure he earned it during his time at OSU, and is now showing in the NFL he was on of the best DB's last season in college football.
Espin always talks about SEC depth on their teams, yet no team in the nation can claim what we have done with our back up and "third string" QB. We don't talk depth we exemplify what true depth is... Next Man Up U!
That's the fun part... you have 2 guys playing on the big stage.. one will win and one will lose. I am not down playing the awesomeness that is Cooper, but I have a man crush on D. Grant and I think he will be playing phenomenally in this game. Cooper will have his catches but I absolutely believe D. Grant can keep him conservatively in check.
Hoping there is enough brotherly love there that they want to reek havoc on the field together at OSU. BigBear please stay all 4 yrs!!!
I really like Apple and think he is on track to be on of the great CBs at OSU, but there is no way he covers Cooper better than D. Grant could right now. Both are physical CBs, but Grant has been a blanket on WRs all year. As the year has progressed Apple has significantly stepped up his tackling, especially on Wr screen plays though. Grant is primed and ready for this matchup IMO.
I am excited for D.Grant to line up on Cooper. I think Grant is pretty underrated and I think he can stay with Cooper as he has with every WR all year. Will be a fun matchup to watch. Hopefully Grant can play big out of the gates so our secondary can help focus and support on the run, as I think we will need more help there. If Cooper gets going early it could me a tough game throughout.
Is it though?! Just because your going to the dance, even if its with your ugly step-sister, doesn't mean that is a win situation. Sometimes its better to just not go, then go and be embarrassed.
Yea for sure. The crowd noise was surprisingly good for how big the place was, but from a view point it just looks like an overwhelming size for the number of people in attendance.
I saw Landers during the State Champ game, and he was a monster. St. Eds oline of men could not stop this kid. My dad and I were both really impressed with him, probably more so than any other player on the field. He seemed like a mix of john Simon's motor, and Hankins body type and quickness. This kid will be good at the next level don't worry about the lack of stars.
The crowd looked about the same at some of the Ohio High School football finals in the Shoe. Big venue just makes the crowds look even smaller.
I find it hilarious that espin doesn't have Bosa on their "all American" list.... *ucking hate that garbage network...
Not to mention the intangibles... leadership skills, pocket presence, etc... which is show in the stats somewhat in the huge jump in TDs and the decline in rushing, showing his maturity to pass more, run less.
Off of your logic Peyton Manning would only be as good as he was in College, never progressing... although I don't think he ever pre-read plays in college like he has in the pros. all players have ceilings and limitations... to say miller has hit that ceiling is a big statement and one I would not agree with at this time. He is still a young kid and I think we tend to forget these are still kids... with lots of growth ahead of them.
Interesting stuff. did you just look at the number of rushes to number of pass plays? that would skew your mentality he is a run first qb if we don't omit planned run plays of course. I don't maintain Miller is an NFL Qb, but he has the physical attributes, I think he just needs to work on the play reading and play progression, which everyone knows. Another year could make that difference and I am excited to see if it does.
you are forgetting a huge stat their buddy..... 16 TD passed Jr year, 30 Td passes Sr year. I would say that's a pretty big jump. I understand "statwise" it may no have been a big jump, even though he did get better in almost every aspect statistically... but his maturity and ability to stay in pocket was very big senior year... and even more shows that Miller could learn to throw more/run less... like Smith did from Jr to Sr year. also, not sure we can say Smith wasnt a run first Qb jr year... he had over 600 yds rushing that year... that dropped significantly sr year to 200. Thanks for helpful stats.
you are mis-reading my post.... there is a difference between a laparoscopic surgery to mend a slight tear in your meniscus, to a full blown surgery to repair a completely torn rotator cuff. I don't see Miller's injury the same as, someone who has blown the same ACL twice. In no way, as I mentioned, was I down playing any procedure... just trying to state that I believe they were 2 different procedures and severities.
Not 100% certain, but I believe the first surgery was a less invasive/cover-up surgery, to avoid the inevitable bad tear he ended up getting anyways. Could be wrong, and not to down play any procedure, but I don't think they were like for like so maybe the worry of the same thing again isn't quite an issue.
FWIW... Troy Smith did not make his big progression until his senior year. I think there is still plenty of hope. Granted they are not completely identical situation, but I think there is a lot of weight to a Jr to Sr year maturity, especially with QBs.
My bad.... was doing my morning reading during work and mis-read... thought he was going to Ok St, not Oregon St. Well that just ruined my entire argument...
Smart move for him... He knows he will not win a conference champ anytime soon with how OSU looks right now. not to mention the big 12 is a free for all... when TCU and Baylor are running the big 12 then you know there is hope for anyone to come in before OK and Texas come back to form. Additionally I think he wanted to get back down that way for family. Best of luck to him, make sense why he is moving on.
I am always calling for more action for the TE. But literally EVERYTHING was working, so no need to change anything in this game. I do feel we will need to use them more in next game, and hope they get used more as we will need every weapon to beat Bama and a NC.