Buddy of mine coaches at Indiana and spoke with Ash the other week. From the conversation Ash said Miller will be the starting QB provided his shoulder is healthy. Said no one could even catch or tackle Miller in spring ball, even first team defense. IMO Miller is a QB.. end of story.
Woah buddy you, gonna make it?! Seems like you are getting all worked up over something very trivial. Just calm down and breath. Not sure why you feel the need to disrespect a kid "Wilson really aint sh!t". You really don't need to push your own life insecurities and failures on a 19-20 year old kid. Why would he have to live up to your ignorant expectation?! Wilson has done just fine and he has only played two years, not even a full second year. be nice to have a well thought conversation about this, but doesn't look like that is possible. Once again final piece of evidence and only meaningful, fair comparison.... at the end of the day Wilson was chosen over Hall. Like it or not the coaches that just won a national championship made that decision, I think those credentials are a bit more impressive then sitting on a couch, eating potato chips, yelling at 18-21 year olds on TV that they "aren't sh!t" (which I assume are yours).
This is difficult to say as coaches now a days are held to a very different standard than previous. You look at some of the greats like Woody and even as recent as Tressel, they we as much humanitarians as coaches, which was celebrated much more in Woody's time and I think something of a rarity when Tressel was around. Now coaches are only graded by winning it seems. I like Meyer as a coach, but I don't think there is still a precedence of a coach being more holistic outside football. This is not meant to say Meyer does not partake in charity work, etc. but Woodys drive was making his players better men, not just players. This expectation isn't in the football contracts now, and maybe it doesn't need to be. Regardless Meyer has done great and will continue to, I don't expect him to ever surpass Woody, but he will cement himself in his own right.
You cant compare a senior to a freshman buddy.. there are maturity differences, and lack of experience, and uhhhh.... you know, you just cant do that.
Hall's place was where it should have been his senior year.... a supportive backup to other that were better. Good athlete overall, but average RB, average HB, but hell of a heart and buckeye none-the-less.
If you have noticed above, he is ur typical close minded arguer.... he only uses stats that support his side. But as he mentioned you cant compare the two because they were different offenses... ironic how that works I guess... when stats can and cannot be used. Oh well to each his own.
Absolutely... thats part of what I have been saying. Hall was mostly limited to injury... whether his fault or not, a health Wilson was a better weapon than a injured Hall, sucks but it is what it is.
Dude you need to pump the breaks. Not sure why ur getting ur panties in a bind over this. I was just stating Hall was a sub par RB during his time at OSU, mostly due to injury but none the less sub par. I am not a recruit ranking slave by any means, and I am not sure how good Wilson "will" be, but IMO Wilson has more talent and will be a better HB player than Hall was at OSU. You keep arguing that he was a good RB, which he really wasn't and is why Hyde played over him, and he wasn't a better HB and is why Brown and Wilson were playing over him. You can argue all you want, but the experts... COACHES, seem to agree with me not you. Also... alcoholism is a real problem and not something people should joke about... now pardon me while I go grab another beer...
Stop being logical... this is not a logical conversation. This is a conspiracy conversation and has no room for supported points that contradict the conspiracy.
What are you talking about?! Hall could run through truck size holes, he was never a breaking tackle runner, actually would yell all the time when he would fall down by his own feet or first contact. Also Marshall didn't play the year Hall was a senior. Hall had 13 yds in the Mich St B1G champ game.... Also all his yardage his senior year was in the first 4 garbage games that B. Dunn or W.Ball could have accumulated that many yards. Hall was a decent player, but Wilsons Soph year was more productive than any year Hall played. Get off the "starry eyed" thing man. Wilson is still underachieving but Hall was not the better player, that's why he didn't get the playing time, and its not to say it was Hall's fault he had injuries his entire career that limited what he could do.
I could be mistaken, and we will never know for sure, but it sounded like OSU and Dean had conversations about his past injury and at the very least had some concern about medical clearance. I would think OSU is pissed too. They have worked hard to get this kid to OSU for 2 years and now cant even work with him as a student athlete. It is fine to be pissed at the situation, but IMO OSU is merely the messenger. No wrong doing just a crappy situation for all involved.
Exactly... off of some peoples logic Clark should have been gone already since he has multiple injuries and there is a bigger question to how productive he will be when/if healthy. There has to be some support for no medical clearance as nothing adds up to forcing this kid out.
Ok, I have been searching and cant seem to find much of anything, let alone a document that states it is permanent. Very well might be, I just haven't stumbled upon it myself.
Pleas show me where? Not trying to be difficult at all, but all my searching has not shown that medical hardship is permanent or career ending. Just trying to understand the rule/guidelines.
Please attach link to the bylaws stating this.
So they have a right to be pissed if OSU voiced concern about being medically cleared and he still wanted to give it a shot, but it didn't work out?! Additionally, outside medical opinion is not going to clear anything up. As mentioned below every doctor has their own opinion and just getting an OK from another doctor, does not put OSU in the wrong. Lastly, it make sense for OSU to do medical hardship so he doesn't count as a sholly when he isn't cleared to play, that is the purpose of the hardship.
Damn you and your calming balanced demeanor and intellect. This is a time of impulsive dumpster-fire starting.. guess you missed the memo on the TPS reports...
Where do you see medical hardship means he cannot play again, "NEVER"??
Not sure it will... doctors have vastly varying opinions. He could simply go around until he finds a doctor to agree with him, which honestly wouldn't be that hard to do. Another doctor giving the "OK" does not mean OSU was wrong in their evaluation.
Greyshirt for LS (which is assumed right now) might be the most common thing in NCAA football. If the player agreed to it from the get go, why is there an issue? that is like saying there is an issue asking a player to walk-on. It is only shady if it is not understood from the beginning which no one on here will know.
although the medical hardship can somewhat mean they do not anticipate him being able to play again, it does not restrict the player from playing again... from my understanding. so it still supports the fact OSU wasn't clearing him not, but could still be open to how he recovers in the next year for reassessment.
I believe you are correct and cant understand why people are overlooking this part. I don't believe OSU every came out saying her will "Never" play, just that he wasn't cleared at this time. Dean wants to play now, so he wants out, completely understandable. I don't see any wrong doing on either side here player or coaches.
Thoughts and prayers to you and your family. Gone for now but never forgotten. You can clearly see from your post her spirit lives within you already. God bless.
I find it interesting that people jump on the immoral Meyer train as soon as a player is dissatisfied with anything. There are two important things that support this being simply a difference in opinion between player and coaches, and NOT a force out. First being what most people have said... you don't push out freshman let alone all the time invested and early enrollee, would not make sense for OSU at all. Also OSU has kept multiple guys who currently are dealing with knee issues, sometime second knee issues. So they have no problem keeping kids even if they might not be the same caliber athlete after rehab. Additionally I find it interesting that no where have I seen that OSU would never clear Dean, just that he was not cleared for this spring/summer. So it leads me to believe he wanted to get on field now, they were not comfortable with that, and then he asked to be released so he can go play somewhere else immediately, or at least attempt clearance for this summer. Nothing about this reeks of wrong doing, just difference of opinion which both sides are entitled to, IMO
Wait... didn't they do that in the 90's?!?
Don't get me wrong, Hall deserves all the respect in the world for all the injuries he had to preserver through, but Hall was/is not the athlete Wilson is. And Wilson has yet to show his full potential, IMO. Hall did well in place of Hyde against weak opponents, but I never felt he was a good every down back, ie Hyde. Hall was solid HB player, mostly restricted by injuries, but he was never a home run threat that Marshall and even Wilson have the potential being. I had no issue with Wilson over Hall and obviously Meyer made the decision for a reason as well.