My understanding is if this second failed test sticks he is not able to play college ball again, hes done regardless if he wants to come back. Might be mistake but believe 2nd offense is a ban according to B1G rules.
Vernon might not be the best example of a positive change. Guy was a beast at OSU and faded into the NFL unfortunately... same thing happened with Thaddeus Gibson. Its a tough position to transition to in the NFL.
I just recently busted out the Nintendo game cube, for Mario kart obviously, and the Nintendo 64, for the best game ever Golden Eye. Some classics just cant be replaced no matter how awesome technology might be. NES was on its own level... loved the powerpad.. but hated duck hunt and that damn dog!!!!
Yea its hard to not sound like a homer when complaining about officiating... at the same time the NFL rules don't help. These type of penalties are very subjective and grey so it makes it even harder for the ref to make the right, and typically they are going to rule on the side of safety. I understand the need for the rules, just feel there has to be a better way to keep game safe and consistent.
Very true... however they did not throw a flag when Heath Miller was hit in the head and fumbled the ball... I am not sure why that hit was not under the same scrutiny as the others.. it actually looked worse as the DB lead with his head and drilled Miller right in the head.
My dad has said many times that we are seeing the beginning of the end of football as we know it.
Damn... caught me... maybe once, err twice..
Had to turn off the game. I am a Steelers fan, but not rapid to the point where I feel the refs were making calls against them. I cant blame the NFL complete, as you can see in the Ray Rice situation, the public just massacres any situation and the NFL has to kiss ass and make sure no one is offended and they are "politically" correct. This is not to down play Ray Rice's situation, but the magnifying glass on the NFL is a bit over the top IMO. What other organizations do you see that are held the this kind of standard?!
That like wanting to watch a video of the ex-girlfriend who broke up with you make out with another guy... why rub the salt in the wound?!? (The ex-girlfriend scenario is not one I am familiar with btw...)
Just wondering, but if you hit your spouse will your employer fire you? I would venture to say most wouldn't, the heat the NFL is under is just insane. Should they have been harsher, absolutely, do heads need to roll, not really. Tell me of any other company that has done with the NFL has in reference to this type of offense.
Pretty interesting question. I am not sure one is way worse than the other... they are both pretty terrible and entail abusing people physically and mentally. Would be interesting to see what those people would respond with..
I think there is a lot of assumptions with this statement. You are assuming that the upper classmen who is playing is basically the same or barely better than the freshman player. In that case it would absolutely make sense. However, I assume more often than not, the freshman is quite a bit below the level of the upperclassman, and coaches are not going to have a big drop off just to play a freshman. IMO
Good post. Technically its a loss to a ranked team now. I never understood why they would take into account the ranking at time of playing instead of ranking at the end of the season... seems to be much more accurate where a team ends than where they started. Either way you are right that it is a loss to a lesser opponent. either way, a one loss B1G champ team most likely will finds its way into the playoff. This would kind of require Oregon to win out and VT to play respectable the rest of the year.
Oh I was... you will always have the crazies out preaching the "good" word. However, it usually at a minimum at times of happiness. It is rather funny how much some Ohio State turn into 12 year old drama queens as soon as the Buckeyes don't meet their magical level of perfection they have fixated in their head.
I know the "sky is falling" posts are getting old.. hell it was old only 1 hour after the game was over. However, not sure we can be mad at people stating their discontent, as dramatic as it may be, when this is an open forum for people to discuss. It will be nice once we go on a 10 game winning streak so all crazies go back into their dark holes.
I hope that situation is not the basis of your opinion. Jim Tressel got fired for allowing FOOTBALL PLAYERS to be given improper benefits. 100% sports and athlete related situation. Once again you continue to degrade the Sandusky victims and situation by comparing it amateur sports and athletes. The situation are not even in the same world as far as I am concerned.
I am not sure your argument holds anymore water. You argue that a much less authoritative and hypocritical governing body has any jurisdiction in this matter. That would be like saying the OHSAA (ohio high school athletic assoc) should jump in and help prosecute a federal case. Its not need, not necessary, and once again undermines the severity of the situation and process at hand. The NCAA is a governing body (barely) for SPORTS and nothing more. Although this terrible thing happened at PSU, and involved PSU personnel, it had nothing to do with sports.. which is the only thing the NCAA has some knowledge about. Clearly we are not going to agree, and we don't have to. There is no right or wrong here, just personal opinion. I appreciate your opinion and the discussion.
Also... recruiting is a 50/50 game... development is not always in the control of the coaches. People get way too caught up in star ratings, it needs to be know that rating a 17 year old kid is anything but scientific and absolute.
Not necessarily true. This Stanford team is not as good as last years, so not sure this is a fair comparison.
Ok.... I know recruiting isn't over now, but still they have a good class and still proves my point that something happening 2 years ago isn't keeping talent away, you cant argue that.
Yes, people left the program. However, we cannot say whether it was due to the situation or the sanctions. You can argue one, I can argue the other, but at the end of the day neither one of us know.
Yes, attendance was down... also attendance was down the pervious 5 seasons, so that point is completely moot. Did they maybe lose a couple thousand fans, maybe, but hardly and competitive advantage or enough $$ to be worthwhile in a Billion $$ industry.
Also good question about the drugs. Yes the legal system and the establishment should handle that situation. Using that same question, if drugs were being sold at PSU should the NCAA step in and discipline? Obviously a much less serious situation, but still wrong doing on PSU campus, involving legal issues. Where do you draw the line, because there absolutely is one. Let the legal system deal with legal issues, and the NCAA to deal with all the other bullshit they feel is important, than watch them be hypocritical ab it at the same time.
Not sure what that means at all... how did they save their asses? Additionally, what other option did PSU have? Admin we being thrown out the window, rightfully so, and they were dealing with LEGAL issues, so who gives a shit ab the ignorant NCAA when you have the legal system doing its rightful work.
We are arguing 2 different things... You are saying our offense was good and did enough to win games... absolutely correct. I am saying, although we won games and had great stats we could have been much better and we lost 2 games (VT and MSU) that actually forced us to be strategic on our offensive approach. I am not arguing the success of the offense, as mentioned with the analogy.. there is not much impressiveness in winning when you should due to superior talent.
MSU offense was anything by vanilla in the Champ game, they are a perfect example of strategy and out coaching your opponent. So thank you for bringing up that point. They used screens, the TE, great play action, and exploited our weaknesses.
As mentioned I was not a big fan of the play calling before, so I don't believe I am being impulsive because we lost. I am trying to evaluate from an unemotional point of view. If you can tell me you were happy with play calling in the VT game, so be it, but offensive production is not what I am trying to argue, just simply don't care for the strategy or lack there of when we are winning and now that we have lost.
I never said he shouldn't get credit for coaching and developing the offense... I said I have never been impressed with his play calling. As mentioned... I can't remember a time when we out coached or out strategized another team. There is nothing impressive about a Ferrari beating an Accord in a race. We have always had more talent, and I am not saying coaching is not in part to our success, but strategy has been vanilla, and when it works that is fine, but when it doesn't you need to adjust... something he has yet to do.
Off of your logic Franklin would not be sitting on a top 5 class right now. If the impact, other than NCAA sanctions, hasn't stopped top recruiting from coming now, it would not have changed back then. I understand what you are saying, but there was no competitive edge. Also, when someone changes their mind, that means they realized they were wrong... plain and simple. The more interesting thing you stated... that the NCAA might have felt they went overboard.... how can someone go over board when it comes to raping children? You can't... you either believe you are doing the right thing..... or.... you realize yea this was handled by at much higher authority than us and we threw a punch from the side just to get out licks in.