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AndyVance

Reynoldsburg, Ohio (via Hillsboro, Ohio)

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Broadcaster and sales professional at Feedstuffs, the weekly newspaper for agribusiness; writer and professional speaker.

If the pen is truly mightier than the sword, I may be the most dangerous man I know...

Favorites

  • SPORTS MOMENT: Being in the stadium when Ohio State defeated Arkansas in the now redacted Sugar Bowl.
    Close second: being in the stadium for Kenny G's near-miraculous last-minute drive against Purdue.
  • COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER: Archie Griffin
  • COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER: Jerry Lucas
  • NFL TEAM: Pittsburgh Steelers
  • NHL TEAM: Columbus Blue Jackets
  • NBA TEAM: The '80s-'90s era Los Angeles Lakers
  • MLB TEAM: Cincinnati Reds
  • SOCCER TEAM: Columbus Crew

Recent Activity

Comment 14 hours ago

I do not agree with Ramzy's treatment of a longtime member of this community, a sentiment I am not alone in sharing among some of the other old hands around here. It's little more than "you can't be in my club because I don't like you."

I expect more of a fellow professional.

Comment 15 hours ago

Come on, dude, don't be that guy that "loved the early days" and now thinks that somehow, things aren't as good. People on here are doing exactly what you claim to enjoy: sharing their opinions and engaging with one another. Occasionally, that results in disagreement. And there's not a damn thing wrong with that.

I could agree with that statement if not for the fact that the only people getting downvotes on this page are the people who, um, actually expressed any disagreement. The Hive has spoken, and if you aren't ready to agree that Fred Taylor was, as the author put it, "A mediocre coach," your ass is roasted.

Comment 18 hours ago

Fair enough. It still looks a whole lot like the Matta Loyalists have embraced this thread as reason d'être and blanket justification for lynching anyone who isn't a blissful Matta fanboy.  

Comment 18 hours ago

You sir, are now the one presuming to know what I did or did not read. When it comes to Coach Matta, The Collective has decided that there is only one mindset that is acceptable: that he is the best coach ever, and any criticism of him or his methods are trolling and not to be tolerated.

I've been here a long time, and it pains me to see the discourse I loved so much in my early days in the boards reduced to nothing more that a cheering section backed by a lynch mob.

Comment 19 hours ago

I reject out of hand the hive-mind mentality you are so openly promoting. I have no idea if BB has some unusual vendetta or not, but I do know that when I joined this community, we embraced open discussion, differing viewpoints, and - God Forbid - disagreement.

When did we become the bloody Borg?

Comment 27 Feb 2015

The fact that BrutusB has been down voted to oblivion for standing up for Fred Taylor - the ONLY coach in Ohio State history to notch a roundball national title - is a sad indictment on our community. He didn't criticize Matta here, at least not in any unfair manner, he simply pointed out that the author failed to convince him that Fred Taylor isn't still top of the heap.

Shame on the people who down voted this comment.

Comment 23 Feb 2015

I'm not buying your theory that we're the same. 

There re are only two substantive differences I can think of: history and coaching. You've argued that Matta is of the same ilk as Coach K and Coach Cal - in other words, top-shelf elite - so that leaves history. I'll grant you, we have zero titles since Fred Taylor, so that is a black mark compared to Duke, UNC or UK.

But the only way to change the latter is by winning games that matter, which we haven't done for a couple of years. We've lost darn near every marquee matchup this year, and we didn't exactly set the world on fire last year.

I was giving Matta credit for being an elite recruiter - but you're telling me that K and Cal do it better. So we're back to the original question: can Matta win a title with his guys, or are we content to be occasional also-rans in March?

Comment 23 Feb 2015

You can't judge a persons worth based on one game or one season.

This isn't about judging Matta's "worth," it's about evaluating a progression in a system. Down years and other aberrations are to be expected, and the comparison to "Fire Fickell!" is misplaced because Meyer was in essence building a new system from the top down during that three-year period. Likewise, if we were talking about Matta's first three years, these questions and criticisms would be unfounded.

But we're not in Matta's first three years anymore, so it's fair to ask if his best days are behind him or not. Earle Bruce won nine games every year, but The Powers That Be finally deduced that he wasn't going to get us across the hump to elite status. Matta wins a lot of games, even a lot of tournament games, but there are problems with the squad the past two years that seem... preventable. Or at least coachable.

So the questions are fair, and they in no way detract from what Matta has done for this program, nor from the fact that he's obviously a great guy and one of the best recruiters in the business.

Comment 23 Feb 2015

I have no idea why the Loyalists on the board are downvoting this incredibly astute statement. The Ohio State University men's basketball schedule is tailor-made to guarantee 20 wins every single season. I took a look at this earlier in the year, but here's how it stacks up:

  • 14 out-of-conference games, of which at least 10 were more or less money games in which we were guaranteed to win;
  • 18 conference games, so you go .500 in B1G play and you're already at 19 wins.
  • Win the first game of the B1G tourney, and you're at 20 wins easily.

Now, look at where we are today: won 12 layups in the OOC schedule, 8-6 in conference play (slightly better than .500), and there is no way Matta won't win 20 games this year. And this is one of the worst teams of his tenure, despite having perhaps the most talented player of his tenure not named Oden or Sullinger.

Twenty wins isn't an accomplishment with this schedule - it should be the gosh-darned minimum expectation.

Comment 23 Feb 2015

First off, the fact that Matta is a great person is great - I hope all of our coaches are really great people first and foremost - but largely irrelevant to the point of the discussion.

Are we really a traditional basketball school?  We're a football school that has a really good basketball team every couple of years. It is what it is. Just enjoy the success on the gridiron, if we get one or two on the hardwood its gravy.

I don't think anything about Ohio State makes me sadder than the fact that this is the prevalent feeling toward basketball among the members of our fanbase. The fact that we're not a traditional roundball "blue blood" is irrelevant. Matta has proven that he can recruit at the same level as Coach K and Coach Cal. Our financial resources are as close to limitless as they get in this business. What do the Blue Bloods have, other than lots of titles and perception, that Ohio State does not? Not one damn thing.

Secondly, the fact that we're a traditional football powerhouse in no way diminishes the fact that we could be every bit as good at basketball. Is basketball a different beast in terms of the postseason structure? Youbetcha. Ball is a streaky game, too, so that matters.

But excusing extreme mediocrity on the basis that "we're a football school" is the cop-out of all cop-outs.

Comment 22 Feb 2015

I think the number of people who genuinely want Matta fired is grossly overstated by Matta loyalists on this board.

Also, as is rightly noted above, criticism does not equal calling for coach's head.

Comment 22 Feb 2015

John, I hear what you're saying, but Jax has a point (and I'm not saying that yours isn't valid... I'm not as omnipresent here as I used to be). There is a very loyal pro-Matta/anti-Matta-criticism faction in the community that do not take kindly to any, and I do mean any, criticism of the BasketBuckeyes' front man. It's not quite "fire Fick" in its doggedness, but that quarter of the community can be very... inhospitable at times.

Comment 22 Feb 2015

I have no nits to pick with your logic, my Waffle-House-loving brother from another mother. I just fall on the other side of the line where I'm appreciative of the man and his achievements, but I want more. Perhaps it's that he's raised the bar such that there is literally nothing else he can do but win a title that will change the slightly-unfair perception of him as our round all John Cooper.

So I have no beef with fellow fans who defend the man on his own merits - but replacing him with a young gun like one of the Miller brothers wouldn't get me all riled up, either.

Comment 22 Feb 2015

Bingo, Awlin. "He's the best we can do," should never be an acceptable excuse for The Ohio State University in any endeavor. Unless "the best we can do" is winning three post-season games and claiming a national championship. Then it's okay to say, "well, that's the best we could do."

Comment 20 Feb 2015

Also, I asked Urban Meyer how many passing yards he expected the Buckeyes to accumulate next season, and he said:

Comment 20 Feb 2015

It's funny that as I saw this, I remembered how we discussed before getting nothing done. And funny how it's about to do it again.

Well, here's a picture to warm the cockles of your heart: