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Reynoldsburg, Ohio (via Hillsboro, Ohio)

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Southern Ohio farm boy writes about the business of agriculture for a living.
Writes about politics because he's a closet policy-wonk.
Writes about Ohio State football because on Saturdays in the fall, nothing else matters.


  • SPORTS MOMENT: Being in the stadium when Ohio State defeated Arkansas in the now redacted Sugar Bowl.
    Close second: being in the stadium for Kenny G's near-miraculous last-minute drive against Purdue.
  • COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER: Archie Griffin (of course); John Simon, Zach Boren
  • NFL TEAM: Pittsburgh Steelers
  • NHL TEAM: Columbus Blue Jackets
  • NBA TEAM: The '80s-'90s era Los Angeles Lakers
  • MLB TEAM: Cincinnati Reds
  • SOCCER TEAM: Columbus Crew

Recent Activity

Comment 10 hours ago

2. TBDBITL is bigger than it's director and will be fine.

While I agree with the first half of that statement, I'm not sure we have enough evidence to accept your conclusion. Consider that Waters was replacing a man who had been at the helm for decades, and that it was assumed on his retirement that there would be some adjustments - growing pains, as it were. Now less than two years into Waters' tenure he is fired... I think it will be very difficult, especially at this point in the "season," so to speak, so see someone step up and take the baton without some major challenges.

Long term the band will be fine? Probably. But I would say it's a bit cavalier to just assume that lopping off the head of the giant won't yield some deleterious consequences (in terms of the band's performance, that is).

Comment 12 hours ago

All valid points.

You make an interesting comparison with the "much like being an employee" comment. So are we to assume marching band members are akin to university employees, as some are arguing in the ongoing NCAA lawsuits, etc.? If so, should Urban Meyer be accountable for the "rash of arrests" that have occurred under his watch?

In other words, if we can't expect the head football coach to babysit 85 scholarship athletes and keep them from getting into bar fights or peeing in public, then how can we expect the band director to babysit 220 coeds acting like a significant percentage of college students anywhere in the country?

I get it - sexual harassment is bad, and as a relatively new father, I don't want my Little Girl to be put in these type of situations, either. But I also think that we're pretty damn quick to pick up the sword and lop of the head of one guy when it is convenient to do so, rather than actually getting our hands dirty and addressing the underlying issues. If this is truly about a cultural issue, firing Waters seems like the thing that is least likely to fix the problem.

Comment 13 hours ago

This story should surprise no one who has ever been in any marching band...

While not condoning anything about this situation, I'll just say that I really, really hate the "zero tolerance" culture in which we live today. Where exactly is the room for a teachable moment in these sort of "do not pass go, do not collect $200" PR firings? We've now essentially rendered one otherwise talented individual unemployable in his chosen profession, and done nothing to address the underlying reality: that college students are going to explore the boundaries in one venue or another.

Meanwhile, college football players are getting away with actual sexual assault at multiple schools around the country, and in several cases the schools are going out of their way to protect the perpetrator and further assault the victim.

I fear that the University, in pretty much doing what it had to do, just torpedoed one of our greatest traditions and assets. Given what I've heard over the years, somehow I suspect that the powers that be in the School of Music are not disappointed by that.

Comment 16 hours ago

Not gonna lie, I used to follow the CBS soaps faithfully. The Young and The Restless was my favorite, but Bold & The Beautiful wasn't bad either. Haven't watched in a few years, but I assume I could pick right back up and still follow the basic storyline. 

Comment 18 hours ago

...that's true, Michael, but on the other hand it was much harder to get in the tournament back then in the first place. Fred Taylor might have won MORE titles had the tournament included damn near every team in the country as it does now.

Comment 18 hours ago

Now simmer down youngsters. Thad is a darn good coach, but I don't think you remember one Fred Taylor. he won the National championship, finished second twice and mentored Bobby Knight. Bobby will tell you how great Fred was.

YES. Thad Matta is great, but it's not time to start naming arenas after him and replacing Fred Taylor at the top of the Buckeye Roundball historical annals.

Comment 23 Jul 2014

Yeah, I was a little jealous that Iowa Drew John Deere for their kit (no offense, Nationwide).

Comment 22 Jul 2014

Come to think of it, I've never seen @RoyBrow54071170 and PennBuckeyeNation in the same place at the same time...

Comment 22 Jul 2014

It's too bad people can't read good sarcasm without the font...

Comment 21 Jul 2014

My comment does not presuppose two SEC teams in the invitational. However, if the B1G champion looks anything like the Wisconsin squad that limped into the 2013 Rose Bowl at 8-5, that team will not get into the playoff, and there are a number of scenarios in which the non-Big Ten entry does not have to be a second SEC school. There are five "power conferences," after all, not to mention Notre Dame, and a number of other division one schools - Boise State, as one recent example - who could well be undefeated or close to it, without an affiliation to the power conferences.

Comment 21 Jul 2014

Just once I would like any reporter to ask fools like him, Gene Smith, 4 million+ a year coaches, or anyone opposed to paying football payers "what makes you think you deserve to earn millions when its the players risking their health on the field?".

A competent reporter would never ask such an incredibly dumb question. Apologies for being so blunt, but the premise of the question ridiculously underestimates the value that coaches and athletic directors bring to the equation, and dramatically overestimates the value of the average player, while at the same time completely ignoring the value of the education and other accumulated benefits the athlete receives in exchange for playing what is, in its purest form, a game.

Comment 21 Jul 2014

Okay, there was quite a bit more than this in the Bowlsby presser - here are some excerpts, courtesy of the Dallas Morning News:

“We certainly are operating in a strange environment in that we have lawsuits … plus we have the O’Bannon lawsuit. I think all of that in the end will cause programs to be eliminated. I think you’ll see men’s Olympics sports go away as a result of the new funding challenges that are coming down the pipe. I think there may be tension among and between sports on campus and institutions that have different resources. It’s really unknown what the outcomes will be.”

Furthermore, he points out that the concept of paying revenue sport players and not paying Olympic sport athletes has several challenges:

“It is hard to justify paying student‑athletes in football and men’s basketball and not recognizing the significant effort that swimmers and wrestlers and lacrosse players and track athletes all put in. Football and basketball players don’t work any harder than anybody else; they just happen to have the blessing of an adoring public who is willing to pay for the tickets and willing to buy the products on television that come with the high visibility."

And here's the reality, gang - he isn't wrong about the "cheating pays" concept. As others have pointed out, it's hard to enforce things that matter in the current enforcement schema, and schools have learned that if you take the Ohio State approach - cooperating fully with the NCAA - bad things will happen. Take the Miami or North Carolina approach - "Go eff yourself." - and you'll be just fine.

“[NCAA] enforcement is broken,” Bowlsby said. “The infractions committee hasn't had a hearing in almost a year, and I think it's not an understatement to say cheating pays presently.”

Bowlsby continued on the enforcement staff: “They're in the battle with a BB gun in their hand. They're fighting howitzers. We have to find a way to make progress on it. It undermines the confidence of the system.”

Comment 21 Jul 2014

This one started out harmless enough, but quickly took a turn toward PG-13 territory. It wasn't completely Out of Hound, but some members rightly pointed out that some of the images weren't... appropriate for all audiences. In other words, Steensn would NOT have approved.

Comment 21 Jul 2014

Sorry Groveport, The Stunning Mrs. Vance doesn't get credit for this one (and neither do I). I don't mind images of lovely ladies, but I'll admit to being a little red-faced when I opened this thread up while working from the IHOP in Ankeny, Iowa...

Comment 21 Jul 2014

I haven't seen any "nudie" pics lately, but I hear what you're saying about the "jiggly pics" coming back into the fold. It's been several months since our last big powwow on the subject, and it's probably time to remind folks to "keep it classy." I don't mind the posting of lovely lady images, but I'll admit that I was a little red-faced after opening one thread last week while sitting in an IHOP in Ankeny, Iowa... 

Comment 21 Jul 2014

Agreed, Kyle. If the Conference Champion looks like the Wisconsin team Bert took to the Rose Bowl the year before he scampered off to the pig pen, I don't see that squad making it into the inaugural invitational. Very little margin for mediocrity in this system, at least for a team outside the southeast (I'm lumping FSU in with the SEC for the sake of this argument).