I think the coaching and play calling hurt both Cardale and JT. Cardale should have been the starter and was put into a situation that was not the greatest to take advantage of his abilities.
I think the only way we can get in is if Bama and Stanford both lose.
Very similar to VT last year.
Maybe agree with you prior to MSU last weekend - but I've never seen worse play calling in the 50 years I have followed OSU football.
Lets not forget - 12-13-VT was not all that great. Our playcalling was bad until VT beat us. We won most games with just superior talent. It took that loss to VT for Hermann/UFM to really put together a decent game plan. I was always a big critic of Hermann until after VT. He became an excellent OCord. and we certainly miss him. I have the same criticism today as I had prior to VT. When things are not going well, or you want something specific called, the HC has to over rule the OC or the DC. If that is happening, it is not very apparent. The last time I remembered it costing us was also vs MSU in the 2013 B1G Championship Game. Hyde is averaging somewhere between 6-7 yards a carry, we have a 3rd and 2 in MSU territory, and Hyde is not even in the game on 3rd down. We go 2 carries to BM and net a yard. Hyde ends up getting two carries in the second half and we lose. I said then and I will say again, if I am the HC and I have a guy having his way carrying the ball and getting stronger as the game progresses, I tell my OC to give him the ball twice or you can walk back to Columbus.
Been a fan since around 1965 and I don't remember ever seeing a more poorly called game than last weekend. It is pretty hard to believe that anyone got paid for that.
It took a loss to VT to make Hermann the play caller he became. Prior to that, he was not all that great. We won with superior talent - not because we had a great game plan. Hopefully, the loss to MSU will do the same, but unfortunately, as frustrating as the play calling was with Hermann prior to VT, it was never anywhere close to as bad as it was vs. MSU last weekend.
Couldn't agree more. As good as we have been the past 4 years, we have certainly not shown it against um. Almost like we play not to lose - as we did last week. Need to take a page out of the JT playbook and throw the kitchen sink at them all game long - or I fear it will be a long afternoon.
...and did very little but hand the ball off. So they have not really seen him.
The playcalling in the MSU game was maybe the worst I've ever seen at OSU - and I've been a fan since about 1965.
It is hard to believe that at some point UFM didn't said "Throw the $%^@*^$ ball" or you are done. However, I can remember BVT (Before Virginia Tech) Hermann was doing the same thing with the crap playcalling and especially during the B1G championship game, and nothing changed. Third and two for a first down, Hyde avg. 6+ yards a carry, is not even in the game, it's BM up the middle, for one yard, and on the next play, 4th and one, Hyde is in, not even used as a decoy, and BM right for a two yard loss - game over.
Hermann didn't really change until after the VT game. Hopefully Beck/UFM get th message for um this week - but I have been waiting all year, and if it didn't happen last week, I'm not hopeful that it will this week.
I am hoping for a giant, frustration releasing ass-kicking by the Bucks on that pathetic tun. Go Bucks.
I used to be in the camp where I wanted us to face um every year where they were undefeated and unscored upon, had the top scoring offense in the country, and ranked #1 so we could beat them and destroy their season. After enduring all of their fan bs in 2011 when we were 6-7 and they were stumbling to 12-1 against a pathetic schedule with a bowl game win over VT with the hokester, I changed my mine.
I know we have our crazed fans but those fans are insufferable and delusional. I hope we face them everyyear where they have a new coach because the old one got fired, and they are 0-11 coming into the game and have yet to score a TD. And we never fail to score less than 50 points against them.
The B1G is just fine when um sucks.
If you recall, we had many of the same issues until VT beat us. After that, Hermann became Hermann. Hermann had a 12 game run and left for Houston. Prior to that, his play calling, though different, was just about as bad. He was BM left, BM 40 yard incomplete pass, BM right, punt. Enough times, BM took off with the ball and made a highlight play. Our offense for most of the last 4 years has relied on our players being better than the other teams players - not our coaches. Seems it takes something drastic to wake us up. Hope the loss to MSU is a wake-up for the next 25 games. I have been rooting for the Bucks since 1965 and was in school during the Archie years. The worst loss we have ever had during my time as a Bucks fan was to um in 1969. Saturday was the 2nd worst, though 2007 and 1998 are close.
Go Bucks - can we get the O going in aa and kick the crap out of um!
I think BlueEyed meant that MSU was scheduled late again so we end up with our biggest games backloaded.
The difference was that after those three loses, Hermann/UFM finally started calling a decent game. People act like Hermann was awesome - and he was - right after the VT loss - before that - not so much.
We had all of the pieces to be great this year and I truly think our downfall was that UFM was trying to reward people on the offensive side of the ball for past accomplishments. We were never 9 units strong. Cardale was rewarded for winning last year but we put him in a system designed for JT. There was a game early in the year where we went long 4 or 5 times and all of the balls were over thrown, but our receivers were wide open. WE rarely ever went back to those plays again. We forced ourselves to give BM touches and they were generally at the expense of the drive. We'd give it to him behind the line and instead of 2nd and 6, we were 2nd and 13. Same with Zeke, early in the year we had a game where he didn't carry that much and we seemed to go out of the way to try and rectify it the next game. We did the same with Marshall and Thomas.
We rarely seemed to call plays that took advantage of the defense, we called played to make sure everyone got their touches. The loss was disappointing but it has been coming for a while. This year we were more of a collection of individuals and not a team - and that is totally on the coaches. Run the game plan and if you get your touches - great - but if not - winning is all that matters.
Nope 1969 was worse. Clearly the best team in the nation and beaten by um. 2007 is 3rd, 1998 4th.
When you gain 132 total yards and 5 first downs, I don't know how you blame the D for giving up 17 points. They were worn out in the second half.
Worst loss since 1969
Same questions you could have asked the last time MSU beat us. Why didn't we give Hyde the ball more, why not some slants. That was on Hermann/Meyer. This entire year has been disappointing from the offensive side. Cardale did n't have a problem and neither did JT. On the coaches once again. Some of the play calling is just head scratching! Someone has to over rule it - UFM. I complained about Hermann/UFM up until the VT loss which seemed to light a fire - then the play calling started to make a lot more sense. We are now even worse than we were then.
With the talent we had returning, no one should have touched us and expectations were off the charts - maybe that is the problem.
Will root for OSU forever but this is the second most disappointing game/season I have seen - 1969 being the worst. Hope they can recover and stomp um.
MSU's offensive line was back complete for the first time since the opening game. Defense did play well. When your offensive goes 3 and out over and over again, you have 4 (YES 4) first downs and 132 total yards - your defense lived on the field. This disaster was totally on the offense.
4 first downs and 132 total yards???
Hope the receivers and OLine get it together soon. JT or Cardale will continue to have trouble throwing if they don't. Only legit, regular threat seems to be Thomas.
It also seems like we are trying to force plays to BM and it almost always seems to end up in a wasted down. Usually he seems to be in a set where everyone knows he is getting the ball.
We are not going very far with our upcoming schedule and OLine blocking like that in passing situations. Hope we figure it out fast.
Even the 5-7 Illini in 2002 took us to OT before we finally won.
Cardale runs and throws for over 400 yards tonight. OSU makes a statement. BM has 3 long TD catches. EZ puts up another 100+.