Sadly we missed every single player that didn't get to play but Roby hurt the most. Reeves just didn't have it. Neither did Taylor Decker. At times it was painful to watch Braxton have to scramble from the pocket the way he did, only to either cramp or get nailed by the Mack truck. Decker is going to have to really improve if Ohio State is to be as good as we all expect. The defense really isn't up to par yet but thankfully there are 3 more preseason games to get it right.
I would add Corey Linsley to the list of those being missed. Once he finished his 17 snaps, the O-line just didn't seem to work as well. I am very concerned about his foot. He had surgery I believe early in the year and yet it is still an issue. Don't know what kind of surgery he had (other than having a pin inserted during it), and what the normal healing time is, but we REALLY need him healthy.
Hate to say it, but Reeves got picked apart most of the day.
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Reeves was the weak spot.
(He will get WAY better)
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My vote goes to Hyde, Linsley would be second.
Yes Reeves was abused, but the defense still only gave up 13 points. The "jacking around" on offense started on the failed 4th and 1 that saw Hall get stuffed behind the line of scrimmage. This began the sequence that allowed 13 straight points. Hyde would have been punishing the Buffalo D at this point and in my opinion settling the erratic stretch of offensive play. Not to take anything away from Hall's performance, but he's not going to get you critical yards when you need them or salt away a game like Hyde can.
Just to clear something up, Hall getting stuffed didn't lead to the 13 straight points. Wilson fumbling the ball on the next drive started the point scoring for them. We intercepted them on the next drive after Hall was stopped so essentially Hall getting stopped had no bearing on any scoring from Buffalo and Wilson wasn't being used as an RB when he fumbled, so Hyde would've had nothing to do with that either.
Okay, so anyway, given Hall's performance, Hyde's absence didn't affect the entire game. Hall did a good job while out there. Nitpicking and saying that a couple plays would've been different had Hyde been around isn't necessarily true either and isn't reflective of the game as a whole, which is what the question is asking. On that 4th down that got stuffed, the DL jumped the snap and met him in the backfield. That's an offensive line issue, not Hall. Hyde could've been stuck there too.
While your opinion is your opinion and not wrong by any means, to not consider Roby even second seems odd. Reeves got burned all day and made some horrible mistakes while starting in place of Roby. Those mistakes don't happen with Roby in there and we likely have better success in our pass defense.
I guess I just find your exclusion of Roby odd and thinking that Hyde's absence would've stopped Buffalo from scoring those 13 straight points isn't necessarily true.
The 4th and 1 was exactly the moment the game shifted. It's called momentum. Buffalo's defense got a huge stop. Yes, Wilson fumbled after the interception. That's the "jacking around" that Urban was talking about. Instead of Hyde ramming the ball down their throats, they were screwing around with jet sweeps with a freshman.
Reeves was horrible all game long, and I was calling for Apple to replace him. Either you can cover or you can't in my opinion. Reeves can't.
Roby being in the game wouldn't have the changed the offense's struggles. The offense having issues against Buffalo is way more of a concern to me than a young defense seeing it's first real game action.
The same "momentum" you're claiming they got was also taken away on the interception. You can't claim momentum when 3 plays later we get the ball back on an interception. The same theory saying Buffalo got it would be the same theory behind saying we took it from them. You can grasp for straws all you want and proclaim that it was a turning point, but it was not.
And the "jacking around" on jet sweeps? I hate to burst your bubble, but we would still would have been running jet sweeps whether or not Hyde was in the game. That would not have changed our game plan. Those plays are in the playbook, Meyer is absolutely intent on getting Wilson into the game and seeing the ball, and that play would still be called no matter what. I'm not sure why you think having Hyde around would've changed that. Your argument for Hyde seems to be predicated on him getting the ball on every single play of every single drive and that is simply not the case, especially with the amount of weapons that are on the offensive side of the ball.
And I'm not really sure what you are saying with offensive struggles. Yeah, they didn't look like juggernauts, but you're making it sound like they were struggling to move the ball throughout the entire game. Quite frankly, they did rather well and the only reason we didn't see more scoring is because it was blatantly obvious in the second half that they just merely wanted to run the ball instead of throw it. The offense had its hiccups and that will happen (especially in the first game), but to say that Hyde would've taken all of those struggles away just makes it seem like you have Hyde up on this pedestal. He's a great RB, but he's not Archie or Eddie and with the plethora of solid RB's behind him and the solid game that Hall had, Hyde would not have made that much of a difference.
Yep, they kept throwing that quick pass to the flats over and over. Will be good to have Roby back next week.
Roby - Reeves played terrible, even in his soft coverages. I voted for Roby, I think hands down he was missed the most.
Hyde/Smith - Hall got the job done, played a great game, although one of the two bigger backs would have been good to have available for the 4th and short. That was just a rushed playcall, and I don't even know if they would have subbed one on the field in that instance, seeing that it appeared we were trying to hurry up and catch them off guard there, IMO. You can't try to bang Hall up the middle on a 4th and short.
Barnett - Brown played okay, although he did have a hand in the TE touchdown when he bit and lost his zone over the top.
Reeves should've been benched after that stupid push that went for a late hit on the sidelines. That shows a complete lack of discipline and respect for your team. Yes, he played terrible, but I was more infuriated by that tackle than anything else
I personally thought that was a questionable call. THere was a push out of bounds on Braxton (maybe) that was way worse that wasn't called.
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I think much of the Reeves problems later in the game stemmed from frustration.
I'm not sure what he could have done on a lot of those plays, he was giving up 6+ inches. If you know or played with anyone who is 6'6 you realize, height is only part of the problem, their long spider arms make it nearly impossible to defend a well thrown ball.
Roby is only 5'11" and he handles guys that size all the time. It has more to do with leaping ability and timing and Reeves might have the leaping ability but he clearly didn't show the same abilities as Roby does.
Reeves will be more than fine. just a young pup
Not only was Roby greatly missed, I think we changed our game plan because of it. It's hard to watch such soft coverage. Our secondary was supposed to be a strength. Hopefully once were back to full strength, we get into more press.
IF you believe the secondary is a strength, you must take into account 2 of the best 4 were out.
Right tackle, 68, Taylor Decker, was sadly missed.
(sarcasm, for those that can't figure it out)
I just don't get it. Some many people are thinking Hyde and Smith are 97 RB's while Hall is a 80 RB. Hall did a fantastic job. Sometimes the o line wasn't in sync and didn't get their blocks not allowing Hall to find a hole. But when he was given a hole he took it to the house. And Hall can move a pile. Maybe not as well as Hyde or Smith can but he still moves the pile.
I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could.
The obvious answers here are Roby and Barnett. Luckily, they're back next week.
Hall definitely stepped up and deserves to be the starter, but we didn't really see him in pass protection. Hyde is a monster in pass protection, so when he comes back, that'll be huge.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
very good take on the undervalued aspect of pass protection. Hyde STUFFS blitzing lbs
Hall player well but I think Hyde rushes for over 200 and allows miller more room. Hall danced way too much
I voted Roby, but I think he was only the third most missed after Ryan Shazier and Cory Linsley.
And yes I know they played, but not enough for my liking in a game that was far too close.
Coaching staff had a smart gameplan with Linsley, 16 to 17 snaps and out. Gotta watch his injury, and make sure he is around when we need him.
That said, when he was in, the push on the O line was incredible.
Any time your All-American doesn't play, it has an impact.
We missed Roby's play, but I think we needed Barnett's experience and leadership more. From being the man over, to directing traffic, to being the steadying voice behind the D, the kids missed the leadership.