From the Dayton area representing the nasty natti.
Reds pitching is much better at this point. I can see them both eventually getting into the World Series but not this year. I can see this definitely happening next year.
"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM
I wouldn't count on that at all until the Reds sign Choo. Who knows how Ludwick will be (they really need a RH power hitter, or someone in the 2-hole).
Pitching, clutch hitting, plus the Chapman is awesome!
Hard for me to choose. Growing up in C-bus, I always pulled for both teams and still do. It's different with the Browns/Bengals as they're in the same division.
Your comment and the nearly 50/50 vote make me wonder if I-70 is the Mason-Dixon line of Ohio.
I grew up an all-Cleveland sports fan, so my team is the Tribe. For some reason or another I don't despise the Reds like I always have the Bengals. I follow the Reds and check their box scores and stuff, but I don't make a point to watch or listen to their games. I have a certain level of respect for them. But for better or worse, I'm an Indians fan, always have been, always will be.
If you're an Indians fan from my generation, and remember when Reds fans used to literally laugh at us for our very existence--and, of course, if you remember the 1970 All-Star game--there's a good chance you do despise the Reds. As I do.
I think the real questions are: which Reds player gets plunked these next 3 days as a retaliation; and how big a suspension will that pitcher receive, since apparently only Indians pitchers are ever punished anymore for throwing at batters' heads?
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
What do you mean we USED to laugh at you guys?...............lmao
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
Because the Reds have been SOOOOO good lately right? In the past 20 years (what I would consider "modern") the Reds have made 3 playoff appearances. The Tribe? 7.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
My love for the Reds is only met/surpassed by my love of the Buckeyes.
Life-long Reds fan, though I am barely old enough to remember just bits and pieces of that magical 1990 WS sweep of the vaunted Athletics. It is more than past time to see the Redlegs again crowned as World Series Champions.
With Choo at the top of the order, Votto playing at an MVP level once again, a tremendous starting pitching rotation (and pretty good bullpen as well), and hopefully a healthy/well-rested Ryan Ludwick back in the lineup at the end of the season, I think this could be the year for Cincinnati again! At least that is my story and I'm sticking to it!
I'll be at the game tonight. First Red's game this year for me and I'm looking forward to it. Hoping to hit up Ruth's Chris beforehand. Or maybe Mcdonald's.
"It all goes so fast, and character makes the difference when it's close."
haha! Maybe I'll buy a ferrari. or possibly a Ford Focus.
I knew you guys would understand!
Tribe all the way
Will it be Choo, Phillips, or Votto getting one at his head tonight? In the end it doesn't matter, because it's Dusty Baker's fault as usual. This is nothing new form that guy. 100mph fastball at the head of a dad of a newborn... classy. Baseball will be better when Baker is gone.
When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I don't get the (implied) logic of this kind of talk, which was echoed by Tom Hamilton's call of the 9th inning yesterday. Hamilton said, basically, that - after almost getting hit in the head/helmet by a pitch from Chapman, it would be a good thing if Swisher rocketed a line drive right back at Chapman and hit in the temple.
Let's see . . . what Chapman did was a horrible thing because it potentially jeopardized Swisher's health, but it would be a good thing if Chapman actually got hit in the temple with a 100+ mph line drive, which very likely would result in very serious injury, if not death.
Similarly, with your tacit support of "Choo, Phillips, or Votto getting one at his head tonight," are you suggesting that pitchers throwing at batters heads is an okay thing, then, just as long as the other side allegedly does it first?
What if you don't know if the other side did it on purpose? Then, presumably the principle is: if the other side threw at the head of one of your guys first, and you believe that they did it on purpose, then it's okay to throw at the head of one of their guys? And if that guy gets seriously injured, it serves him right?
Please clarify because this kind of talk confuses me.
What I find funny is Chapman threw one of his final warmup pitches over the head of Mesaroco as well. But, I'm sure he was just practicing that so he could do it right when Swisher came up to the plate.
Give me a break...
But did he hit the mascot with the warmup pitch?
Italics are for emphasis.
It was back to back pitches by Chapman. One is a mistake. Two, I believe as most would believe, is not. And again, it's Baker, who has yelled at other players and managers and supported the rough stuff long before Garza, Cueto, and DeJesus let alone yesterday's antics. So no, I don't believe Chapman was not intentionally throwing at Swish. 100mph in the temple gives you Ray Chapman syndrome.
I never said I supported retaliation nor do I imply it in that particular statement... that was your assumption. I just asked who it was going to be, because it's basically inevitable. There is not one team that would ever let that go. Like in hockey... you'll pay eventually, and whether it's right or not has no bearing on the outcome. And Cleveland may throw at Cincy just because they are in a losing streak and they might get a rallying point out of it. My problem in the end is more with Baker than Chapman and from a politics side, I don't think the Indians can let it go with 3 more games on tap (there is my admission for some sort of vindication).
I did not hear the radio broadcast. If he said that, then that is wrong as far as the temple-talk goes.
I did not hear the radio broadcast either (or see the video, for that matter), but would be very surprised to hear Tom Hamilton, who worked alongside Herb Score for many years, say something like that.
Earle, sorry, I forgot to provide a link in my comment above - a Cleveland.com article includes an embedded video of the bottom of the 9th inning with Tom Hamilton doing play-by-play.
I'll say this much in support of Cincinnati: Baker--for once--didn't say a thing on it. Typically, Baker's always been quick to support and justify his players throwing at batters (something I literally despise), but when questioned about this his response was succinct:
"It's not like it's the first time Aroldis has ever been wild"
I can tell you that Chappy throws at least one pitch to the screen in every other appearance. He put our best catcher (Ryan Hanigan) on the DL when he tried to reach up and catch one of the fireballs sailing over his head. I
Furthermore, I hardly ever (if at all) have seen him throw at opposing batters (and I've watched damn near every Redlegs game this season), so it seems that whatever happened was a little strange. Was it on purpose? Sure as hell could have been--but I also believe that it's possible that his first one was wild, and he wanted to come back inside and lost a bit of a grip again, and when everyone went berserk at him, he got pissed off. I dunno--I'm just saying that whenever this greaseball shit happens (and it is greaseball shit, I hate these vendettas players hold), Baker normally is unapologetic about it; and for once he actually tried to diffuse the entire situation. Even Giambi said that the Reds' reporters were trying to bait him, and said that while he believed Chappy's pitches to be errant, they were just trying to support their leader in Swisher.
I bet that nothing comes of this until Cleveland (if it does at all), because I'm sure that the umps will issue warnings to both benches before the game today. And if something does happen, Votto will get hit in the arm. That's how a lot of these things get rectified, but we'll see--I think that a lot of these things are borne of ego and misunderstanding (i.e. it doesn't matter if what happened was an accident, Swisher and the Indians take offense to it, Chapman gets defensive, and neither guy wants to back down first), I'm just hoping that cooler heads prevail.
Sorry, I was really using your comment to criticize Hamilton.
In my defense, I did suggest that your "support" for that type of thinking was implied/tacit, not explicit; thus, it was more an interpretation than an assumption. And then you graciously concede somewhat of an "admission" at the end of your last comment, which suggests that my interpretation (or reading into) of your implied position wasn't that farfetched and/or unfair.
My (pure) guess is that Chapman had absolutely no intention of throwing near Swisher on the first wild pitch, but then got annoyed when Swisher made a big deal out of it. Under that scenario, Chapman is already embarrassed at having thrown the ball eighteen feet over the plate, and now the batter is staring him down and gesturing at him, etc. So, on the second pitch Chapman does try to throw high and inside, but the ball gets away from him again and ends up looking like a head-hunting attempt.
Again, just a guess - I don't know if either pitch was purposely supposed to be "chin music" or not. But I definitely would not assume (in your case, it actually is an assumption and not an interpretation) that's the case in the 9th inning of a 4-2 game against an in-state rival.
Believe it or not, an inside pitch is not always meant to hit a batter. If I am not mistaken, he had never faced Swisher so there was no animosity and the game was close so it makes no sense to hit him.
I don't listen to Tom Hamilton, but if he truly believes Chapman was trying to hit Swisher, then he doesn't know as much baseball as he should.
And give me National League over the American League any day.
Right on! It's not REAL baseball unless the Pitcher has to hit too!
Which of course is barely half the time because they swap out for pinch hitters, thus also taking out some decision making when it comes to bringing in another pitcher...
I prefer the Clippers (know they are the Indians AAA...but them over the tribe and reds any day of the week)
Apologies for getting testy above. Something else bothered me more than the pitch, believe it or not.
In all honesty, I said this to my friend sitting next to me yesterday:
"I wouldn't mind if they just put Votto on." Then he cranked it opposite field.
I'm baffled at Francona and his decisions to almost unnecessarily pitch to not only Votto yesterday, but Miguel Cabrera in the series before Boston. It's really my only gripe against him so far. Oh, and Perez in the last one against Boston when he let two runs in and proceeded to basically walk the bases loaded again. Should have been out after the single after the second run, but we can argue pitching decisions every day of the week.
Tribe fan, and I have no animosity towards the Reds other than Chapman's stunt yesterday. One high pitch at the head is an accident, two in a row isn't.
The first wild pitch wasn't even close to Swisher, hell it was about 10 feet above the catcher on the opposite side of the plate as Swisher.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Red Sox fan from Dayton here. I can't stand Cleveland....so definitely Cincinnati!
Love the downvotes. Either I got them because of A) Red Sox fan from Ohio (half my family is from Boston) or B) I said I can't stand Cleveland. I'm hoping B. Either way kind of a silly reason. Boston and Cleveland (at least when Lebron was there) had a pretty fresh heated rivalry going. Between Red Sox/Indians and Celtics/Cavs. Naturally, I couldn't stand them being the only Red Sox/Celtics fan amongst a couple dozen Indians fans that would taunt 24/7. Either way...downvote all you want...GO REDLEGS!! in this series!!!!
Is this voting who we root for? or who has the better team? I've been a tribe fan my entire life, but Cincinatti is one of the top 5 teams in baseball this year. I'll root for ohio, except when they play. Lets Go Tribe!
I was at Game 2 of the 1990 World Series, I only wish I was old enough to have seen The Big Red Machine in their prime!
A lot of supporters of that team from North Kentucky here.
The postgame show is brought to you by... Christ, I can't find it. The hell with it...
I grew up in Columbus & where I was at, everyone always rooted for the Reds & Bengals so I guess I just fell into that group somehow. I don't dislike the Indians or Browns at all, I just prefer the Cincinnati teams. Maybe it's because my mom always took me to Kings Island instead of Cedar Point ;)
"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.
While I can't really argue that the Browns are better than the Bengals, Reds and Indians are fairly even this year, I will absolutely argue that Cedar Point >>>>>>> Kings Island ;)
I always heard Cedar Point was the better of the two, but I wouldn't know, my only trip to Cedar Point was when I was 3. Can't remember it. Kings Island however, got no less than 30 visits so that's my spot. I gotta take a trip to Cedar Point with my kids some time soon.
When it comes to roller coasters, Cedar Point is better, and it's not even close. However, King's Island has The Beast, so that automatically bumps it up. Don't get me wrong, King's Island has a very nice assortment of coasters that are quite enjoyable.
It's a little bit closer if you factor in other experiences like the kids' section, theme/aesthetic value, water park, value, etc. With that said, Cedar Point's staff is 10x better from an operational and janitorial standpoint.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!