PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
If Conley is only at 23%, I feel like a lot of the 53 voters may not be huge NBA fans... Or actually big basketball fans in general.
Class of 2008
I voted Conley. Great leader, pro, player. Age, durability, speed and the fact that guys that play the point seem to stay in the game longer. He is very good now while just beginning to come into his game as a pro. He could become one of the best of all time after a sixteen or more year career. The others could do very, very well too. Just think Mike has a leg up.
I went with Turner because of his ability to play multiple spots on the court and his epic work ethic.
I don't see how Evan Turner's actual on court performance to this point can support the opinion that he will be a better pro than Conley.
Solid? Yes. Conley, however, is one of the top point guards in the Western Conference and is playing for a team that can go toe-to-toe with any squad in the West.
Right now their PPG is virtually the same, conley has Turner in APG and Turner has Conley in RPG as is the nature of their respective positions, but Turner does have a better 3P% by over 50 points, but in the same token Conley is shooting his FT better than Turner. With Conley, I think after 5 seasons he's finally starting to reach his potential, where as Turner, his potential is just as high if not higher. The guy has not played one position for two consecutive seasons since he was in middle school. It's his ability to play multiple spots on the floor that, in my opinion, makes him a more valuable player. He creates mismatches at the 1 and 2 because of his size, and at the 3 if he works more on his jumper he could be really good because of his ability to pass and shoot off of the dribble. And if you're going small, he has the build to play the 4 for a few minutes.
And if you're looking at on courter performance, would you rather take a 2nd year Turner or a 2nd year Conley? Conley in his first few seasons really wasn't that great. Turner is already putting up virtually the same numbers and he's played 3 less seasons.
But I'm the type of guy that thinks a player that can play more than 1 spot has more value to a team. Probably because I played multiple spots when I played in school.
Pulling out a side by side of PPG, APG, RPG statistics etc. and determining who is the better player can lead to awful, and incorrect, results.
There are a lot of other considerations, one you alluded to being what role the person plays on a team. Another large one is, what is the team's success? For example, Byron Mullens splits this year aren't far off of Kevin Garnett's. Field goal percentage is the only category KG is clearly running away from him in. Are you telling me a healthy Byron Mullens is almost as good as a healthy KG this year? Because based on how you supported your conclusion above, that's exactly the conclusion you could draw. I would disagree with that conclusion.
You do have a valid point by more or less saying, "I think Turner can be better later because he has a higher ceiling."
However, I've been watching ET for two years in the league, and at this point, I have very real concerns about his ability to reach that "potential." I also don't like that it seems a team's strategy has to be molded to fit his skill-set, as opposed to him being versatile enough to use his skill-set to fit whatever the team needs. Contrast that to Conley, whose skill-set would easily translate into most offensive systems.
As far as his skill set not fitting whatever the team needs, personally I think that's was a coaching scheme issue for Collins the past two seasons seeing that he had Iguadala and Jason Richardson on the team. ET is a pretty versatile player, and I think the staff just now having the ability to put him full time at the 3 instead of pushing him at 2 or 3 and sometimes 4 will help him develop tremendously.
The thought of, "Let's see where Turner is when he's been in the NBA longer," is valid.
To me, there's just nothing--other than fonder memories of Evan Turner as a Buckeye since he played for 3 years and won National POY--that can explain his 22% lead on Conley.
When Mike Conley doesn't play well the Grizzlies lose.
When Evan Turner doesn't play well the 76ers can still win.
Mike Conley is the glue that holds the Grizz together, and he's not even the 2nd option on that team.
I agree with the order the vote currently is. Turner and Conley = 1 and 1A. Then Sully as a step down below them.
Turner will continue to improve and he is already doing well in his third season. He has a higher ceiling than Conley does.
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i went with conley... quite frankly, i was surprised to see turner running away with the vote. dont be surprised if mr conley doesnt end up with a ring or two before its all said and done. they are put together real well there to make some noise in memphis.
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
I voted for "The Villian" for one simple reason. I was able to get a picture taken of him with my 6 yo son this fall. That and the fact he was just so much fun to watch, and Titus loved foolin' on him.
Conley will probably have the better career, but I like ET.
"Say my name."
Mullens is one of the most improved big men in the league is very skilled and still very young. I think has the biggest upside.
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
My skills are about to be unleashed upon the NBA
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
No love for Kosta Koufos? Seems about right.
Kosta Koufous is stll in the NBA?? Who's team's bench does he ride?
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Starts for Denver
every game this year
Dont hate Kostas the Great
after combing the Denver team page via ESPN http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/den/denver-nuggets.
I can only wonder how i missed him with his enormous contribtutions to the league. I mean with his averages at 6.8 pts and 5.9 reb a game.
my apoligies to Kosta and may he continue to be the second best center on his team.
so apparently 7 and 6 starting in the league is a failure
do the math KK starts in the NBA
after doing the math, I am impressed that he does start. However that doesn't make him any more memorable.
Conley is >>> than Turner in the NBA.
ET was a better college player and is arguably more talented but Conley will have the best career. A lot of times in the NBA having more talent or a more decorated college career doesn't translate to having a more successful NBA career.
Conley has found his niche and that's the most important reason why. He's the lead PG for a Western conference contender that has a realistic shot at winning it all this year. He'll prob play for a lot of very good teams for 10+ years and win a lot in the playoffs.
ET's issue is he doesn't have a role. The Sixers drafted him #2 so they expected him to be a superstar, Durant-style, from the get-go. That didn't happen. Eventually it became clear to most NBA observers that ET is best with the ball in his hands as a de-facto big PG. The problem was the Sixers had a de-facto point forward already in Iggy and, now that Iggy is gone, Jrue Holiday has emerged as an above average NBA point for them. They can't let ET run the point when Jrue is on the roster. Their talents overlap and so ET is shoe-horned into a wing role that he's not comfortable with. He doesn't do anything on the wing exceptionally well - spot up shooting, slashing, defense etc. He's shooting 42/43% from the field this year last time I checked, and has a very inefficient game. He's a good rebounder for his position but you don't carve out a long nba career at the 2 by being a good rebounder. Either he develops one speciality like shooting or defense and becomes a complementary role player in the long run, or he needs to be shipped into a position where he can initiate the offense and play to his greatest strengths - creating off the dribble, being a 6'7 PG, etc.
I would disagree about college, Conley played one year and was one of the best players in the country as a freshman. Turner showed a glimpse against Tennessee as a freshman but that was it. Conley would have won a NPOY award if he stayed three years no doubt about that.
Starting NBA 5 of
with a rotaion of
BEATS THE 2012-2013 CAVALIERS
Tank could even start and move Cook to the bench
you're underestimating KYRIE Irving who is a Top 3 PG in the NBA already. At age 20.
So Kyrie is better than which of the following:
FWIW i'd take him Right NOW over Parker (wrong side of 30, more limited than Kyrie), Rose (nobody knows how he's going to recover yet), and Deron (hasn't been the same since he left Utah/jerry sloan). Rondo too (No J).
CP3 - Westbrook (guy dropped 40+ in the Finals)- Kyrie.
I'm not even a Cleveland/CAVS fan. I've been to that city once in my life.
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