3. Auburn(i'd have them at two, but the NCAA investigation, and Saban are in the way)
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I chose other, but that is because the job at ttun won't open until the end of next year. Rich Rod got 3 years, I expect they will do the same for hoke, unless he learns how to use a headset, then make it 4.
They were so desperate to get a win against Ohio State that he'll probably get an extra year because of 2011. The only way Jabba gets fired is if they go 3-9 and tOSU blows them out 56-0. But with their schedule I could only see the latter happening.
All I can say is this, you hire a coach with a losing record, who screams 'Yes, I'll take the job for free' even before Dave Brandon finishes saying 'This is Dav' on the phone, AND he is your 3rd choice. Although don't say that to the ttun fans. They will scream the party line that Miles and Harbaugh were 'Never Offered' the job, they were only contacted to get a feel for how it would go if they were offered. But they were never offered...
Umm, I don't know these much of these Michigan fans you speak of, but it was assumed Miles was a sure thing [before RichRod] and every Michigan fan I know was praying that Harbaugh would come. Anything else is as much bologna as Urban saying he had talked to OSU the week before the Game, last year. However, 90% of Michigan fans will admit that even though we didn't want Hoke and were kinda "WTF?" when he was, we now truly believe he's the right man for the job. He just might need to make some minor adjustments to be a better coach.
Secondly, Hoke's job isn't in jeopardy anytime soon, and it's ridiculous to even hint at it.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
So were Miles and Harbaugh offered and they turned it down? Meaning hoke was the 3rd choice?
What would be soon?
If Hoke goes 8-4 and loses to Ohio State again next year, does he keep his job? What about the year after that?
If the answers to both of those questions are "Yes" then it is just another example of a B1G school settling for mediocrity. I guarantee you that 2-3 years in a row of 8-4 and losing to TTUN is a one-way ticket out of being the head coaching job at Ohio State.
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I think they learned from the Rodriguez fiasco that firing a coach before he gets his system fully in place (especially when said systems lie in such stark contrast) reeks of knee-jerk reactionaryism, and is monumentally stupid to boot.
Rodriguez could have coached that 2011 team to at least eight or nine wins (Mattison was the real savior; and probably won them two or three games alone, including Ohio State), and probably saved his job in the process (along with possibly snagging Casteel back to shore up his defense). Under his offensive system, Robinson's probably a Heisman finalist this year (look at his Sophomore stats, kid was on a sky-high trajectory--Borges asked him to do too much with bad receivers), as well.
All that being said, Hoke seems like the right guy for the job. No one liked Rodriguez's "outider" approach (though, it is kind of what they hired him for...), and Hoke's that born-and-bred "Michigan Man" who's ready to restore tradition, and bring back smash-mouth football. Sure, there's going to be bumps along the way--it's worth mentioning that he still doesn't have his "team" in place yet, and with OSU targeting a different mould of player, it's entirely plausable that he'll have pick-of-the-litter on a lot of guys that Urban's not going after (though his "early recruitment" approach is kind of biting him in the ass right now).
They're going to give him at least five years to turn this ship around, provided he doesn't completely shit the bed (which I don't think he's going to do). For as much crap as we give them, they've lost to the #1, #2, #4, and #12 teams; that's a pretty respectable slate right there. Remember, Hoke still was their third choice--meaning that they obviously saw something in him. Urban's proven that he can win and win big, I'm betting Michigan is going to give Hoke every chance in the world to prove that he's his equal--the exact thing they failed to do for Rogriguez.
The thing with hoke is, you will get an 8-4 team as your normal record every year. Look at his previous years and you will see. Now, the question is, when will that type of record wear on the boosters? At what point will they say enough?
As a buckeye fan, I pretty much was sold on RichRod at tsun
I don't think Hoke's job is in jeopardy at all - for right now. He's had a couple of excellent recruiting classes and he's still trying to field teams with Rod's recruits. Plus he won a BCS game in his first season. Overall he's 19-6. In a few seasons, if he continues to lose 4ish games a year and can't win the conference, then I wouldn't be surprised by 'hot seat' talk. But until then, we're going to have to deal with his 'Ohio' talk.
I say good. Keep him as long as he wants to stay. I know he doesn't have his guys in place yet, but when he does he still doesn't scare me. I feel he is a decent coach, not a great one. He's going to be AACC's Earl Bruce, 'Ol 9&3 Flounder.
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I actually thought Jabba was a good hire for scUM at that time. After the dumpster fire Ann Arbor was following the RichRod regime, nobody with any real pedigree was going to touch the job with a 10-foot pole. Think about it--ridiculous expectations from entitled fanbase, three years of destroyed recruiting classes geared towards an outdated gimmick offense and joke base defense, stingy paycheck, and a 1-9 record against your most hated enemy make for the worst HC job among upper-tier FBS teams.
I'm pretty sure Dave Brandon's thought process on Brady Choke was this:
1. Let's get a (barf) "Michigan Man" who understands the OSU rivalry
2. He'll come cheap
3. He'll bring back "Michigan pro-style football" and have a couple years of recruits for whoever comes next
4. People will have tempered expectations since it's not like Evil Fred Flinstone ever succeeded anywhere else.
5. We won't feel bad firing him in three years one he's turned the ship back in the right direction.
Even if Choke proceeds to go 9-3 each year and loses the next 3 OSU games, I think Brandon will be happy with where the program is and will have no qualms thanking Flounder for his service before kicking him out the door and making some phone calls to more appropriate head coaching candidates.
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I went with Arkansas. The area is nuts about their football (I've worked with many from there, and grew up across the border in Missouri) and they are willing to spend big money, as evident by the major additions to their stadium before Petrino got canned.
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Ugh... don't remind me...
But Tennessee is one of the "sleeping" powers with a huge(and insane) fan base. I think we've forgtten that because they've sucked the last 5 years.
Hasn't been the same in Knoxville since Cutcliffe left for the d00kies.
I voted Tennessee mostly because they have the best all-time record of the schools listed. They haven't been good the past few years, but they could be a competitor again if they return to their former selves. Back in the 90s, it seems like they were always a solid contender.
Regardless, other than Auburn who is undergoing a current NCAA investigation, I'd think each of these schools should be able to land good, solid coaches. It's particularly intriguing who will get the Cal job since we face them at Cal next season. I guess the same could be said for Purdue, and I sure as heck hope Warinner (or Herman) doesn't get hired elsewhere.
count me among the minority that would rather live out west and coach in the Pac12
I agree. Bay Area weather is fantastic, huge metro area with tons going on, lower expectations, weaker competition, etc. Chizik won the MNC only a few years ago and they already canned him bc of the ridiculous expectations that that championship produced. I'd go with Cal first. TN second.
Chizik also had the help of a pro athlete to win that MNC...
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I'm with you Lefty, and not only because I'd rather live in California than Dixie, but also because of the access to football talent in Cali. Cal always puts guys in the league, and seem to have no problem filling the roster with talent. Look what Harbaugh did at Stanford. I have no doubt that the right coach could do the same at Cal.
Cal's in a much, MUCH better place than any of the other trainwrecks in this poll. At least in the upcoming years, at least Cal has a chance to be competitive in their own conference - and as 'AHH SATURDAY' said, from a standpoint of having a good program (recruiting, talent, overall health and direction of the program) Cal is at least a full tier above Arkansas, Tenn, and Auburn.
As far as Ark, Tenn, and Aub go right now, those jobs are one of two things: 1) a place where has-been coaches go to die, or 2) a place where a young whipper snapper can cut his teeth and try to impress someone for a more stable gig.
Arkansas is an AWFUL program. Tennessee is an AWFUL program. Auburn is an AWFUL program. Those three pretty much need to be rebuilt after the coaching/recruiting tragedies that have occured there over the last few years.
Cal's only missing a few pieces to be at least competitive.
In terms of going in a making immediate impact, I'd choose Cal over all of these. One decent recruiting year could get you to the PAC 12 championship game and a BCS Bowl game. Plus I'd rather live in northern California than in the south. Cost of living would be no issue because you'd be making enough money to live comfortably in California.
Rocky top, you'll always be home sweet home to me. Good Ol' Rocky Top. Rocky Top Tennessee.
8th winningest program in Division 1-though admittedly Auburn isn't that far behind. With that said, restoring UT's luster is probably a bigger draw that restoring Auburn's. Since Auburn isn't too far removed from a national title, I would think the accomplishment would seem greater at UT, given the fact that they've been down since the end of the Fulmer era to present day.
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It's Michigan, circa January 2011. Esteemed program thrown into the bowels of mediocrity as a young hotshot coach unsuccessfully followed up an ageing legend. Granted, Dooley was their Rodriguez, where Kiffin didn't have any chance to make a difference.
Was that a slight on Mr. Kiffin or the state of the program. Mr. Kiffin is quite possibly a respectable head coach
Neither. Just saying that Kiffin was at Tennessee for one lackluster season, where he was admittedly playing with Fulmer's recruits. He left for greener pastures after that season, so I was merely saying that it was more Dooley's fault for their current state than it was Kiffin's. Who knows where they might be had Kiffin stayed.
Tennessee--great history, good fanbase, succeptible SEC East division. Not to mention, that Tyler Bray kid's not bad throwing the ball.
Arkansas and Auburn get cut down a notch because the SEC West is a two-show pony behind Bama and LSU (and TA&M a rising power). Besides, Auburn's switch back to pro-style doomed their recruiting and their offense is just a muddled bunch of spare parts.
Tennessee by a mile, with the resources they have if a coach is successful he will have a powerhouse.
Recent Success- Auburn
Cool uniforms?- Arkansas
Interesting that you voted Tennesse as the best job I think it is the worst on the list. Tennessee demands championships yet isn't in a talent rich state and is having to compete with all of the SEC for the same recruits and some of the ACC members like GA Tech, Clemson, FSU etc
A good job in my opinion would be Cal, it is in a talent rich state and there are enough recruits to go around. You can convince more to stay instate rather than leave for Oregon or Washington.
And they have had recent success with putting players in the league.
All of that is attractive to recruits and the Cal Bears aren't expected to win every single year
Oregon... after Chip Kelly leaves to coach in the NFL.
It's Tennessee by a lot. It's one of the all time great college football programs, and the right guy could bring them back to power and it wouldn't take all that long. Arkansas is a no win situation in my opinion. You'll have to make a great hire to get great recruits there. They expect Bama or LSU success but aren't nearly the program those 2 are. Unreasonable expectations with way too much competition for recruits. Petrino is a scumbag, but the guy is an elite college coach, honestly, he may be better than Miles. They guy has been great where ever he coached. They'll need a monster to duplicate his success. It's an easier sell to Tennessee in my opinion, and as much as I hate to admit it, if Kiffin probably would of had them pulling in monster classes by now.
Arkansas. They're trying to take a big step back toward relevance. They made a serious offer to the "mad hatter", which means they're ready to spend some coins. I expect a high profile coach to be hired for big money.
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