Choices Ohio State is 8-0 The Buckeyes have the Big Ten's 2nd-worst scoring defense in league play Braxton Miller declared symptom-free Saturday evening Zach Boren, middle linebacker Vote Comments Show All Comments jestertcf 22 Oct 2012, 8:44 am Braxton Being cleared got my vote. I swear this guy must be half gumby after what his knee did against MSU and his head smashing on the ground. ~Because we couldn't go for three~ Ethos 22 Oct 2012, 9:34 am Same here. I have no idea how that kid is symptom free. I still say put Guiton in for the start on Saturday, if anything just the first drive to reward the kid for what he pulled off. Just amazing. "I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best hodge 22 Oct 2012, 3:58 pm Or he moonlights as this guy: IBleedSandG 22 Oct 2012, 9:44 am Tough call, but I never expected Boren at LB. The Bucks having the 2nd worst scoring defense is a close 2nd. #GrindFor9 chitown buckeye 22 Oct 2012, 9:51 am I went with being 8-0. To me the other things are such a surprise, its the biggest surprise we are still undfeated! "I'm having a heart attack!" DCBuckeyeFille 22 Oct 2012, 10:01 am I still call shenanigans that Braxton is symptom free; if nothing else he has got to be pretty sore. But, good point Chitown Buckeye, with all those other things, it is kind of a miracle that we're 8-0! buckeye76BHop 22 Oct 2012, 10:01 am That defensive stat makes me sad...can anyone remember 2010 and before? OSU was never in this spot with scoring defense...we used to be one of the best not only in the B1G but in the country...just sad. "There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." "I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose." Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 mclovin 22 Oct 2012, 10:03 am Milller being symptom free was the least surprising. That was a fairly standard tackle where it didn't look like anything potentially dangerous happened. I agree it probably stoved him up pretty good but Miller has proven that, in addition to being one of the most exciting players I've seen at Ohio State, he over-reacts badly when he takes a hard hit or something out of the ordinary happens. Where most people are able to quickly acquire their bearings after the initial shock of taking a hit, he apparently needs convincing from the medical team or extra time to figure it out for himself that he's going to be alright. Anybody know whether this guy is an only child or has only female siblings? I love him being our QB but him leaving the game and being declared just fine has happened more than once. Nebraska last year was precautionary, but it still cost us the game -- Purdue is probably more of the same but he went out with an undefeated season on the line and trailing in the fourth quarter. It turned out fine, though, and now we know for sure that Guiton is a solid backup. So, all things being equal, 8-0 is 8-0. Just would like to see more toughness out of Miller. daytonbuckeye 22 Oct 2012, 5:51 pm Someone earlier mentioned about a potentail injury to his brachial plexus which may have led to a brachial stun. Here lmgtfy: http://www.assh.org/Public/HandConditions/Pages/BrachialPlexus.aspx btw, I do not believe that Braxton is a pansy, to take all the hits he does and keep playing is pretty amazing. 3 85 yards and a cloud of dust. buckeyedude 22 Oct 2012, 11:09 pm a potentail injury to his brachial plexus which may have led to a brachial stun. I KNEW that's what it was! I just wish I could pronounce it. /:) Haybucks 23 Oct 2012, 2:44 am Standard tackling for a rodeo cowboy. Where's the rope? If the world comes to an end, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything comes there ten years later. - Mark Twain Haybucks 23 Oct 2012, 3:49 am Standard, everyday, run-of-the-mill tackle on marshmallow grass - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DqkSfAflNg&feature=youtube_gdata_player If the world comes to an end, I want to be in Cincinnati. Everything comes there ten years later. - Mark Twain dancorona5 22 Oct 2012, 10:13 am @Mclovin, you went a bit too far there with some of your comments. I know we are all entitled to our opinions but that was such a garbage comment to make about someone who went down. would you rather the staff be like Michigan State and sent a player back into the game 1 play after he was laying on the ground not moving? mclovin 22 Oct 2012, 10:29 am It would be garbage if it were unsupported or if an actual injury came out of it. I will question Miller's toughness because he has a history -- dating back to high school -- of minor injuries that get blown up into a big deal. The guy's a great QB for our team right now and being 8-0 is amazing given what we've been through and just because 8-0 is awesome in itself. But it's still OK to call something like it is. The fact is he did leave us in the lurch a little bit and if Guiton hadn't come through, more people would be calling attention to it. I'm not dogging the guy now because I don't really know all the facts; I can just see a pattern of behavior. But it is something to look at. SPreston2001 22 Oct 2012, 1:57 pm The guy smashed his head on the turf pretty bad and he was pretty wobbly on the sidelines! Certainly looked like a concusion to me. All the hits Braxton takes the last thing I would call him is soft. Do you really think he wanted to leave his teammates during crunch time in a hard fought game?? Wow... Pam 22 Oct 2012, 10:37 am If I read one more comment questioning Braxton's "toughness" I swear I will puke. mclovin 22 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm Unfortunately, because football is physically strenuous, toughness is a very critical element one must possess in order to be successful. Questioning it when someone leaves a game at a very critical juncture only to be evaluated as having no injury, especially when that someone has shown a history of pulling himself out of games after minor scrapes, shouldn't be cause for puking. If you don't see it as cause for concern, that's cool. I do. Ethos 22 Oct 2012, 1:09 pm I'm going to go ahead and assume you've never had a bad stinger in your neck and shoulder. "I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best mclovin 22 Oct 2012, 6:57 pm Don't see the relevance. He didn't get a stinger in the head or shoulder. Pam 22 Oct 2012, 1:12 pm Braxton pulls himself out of games? I don't think so. Let me know the next time you get slammed on the ground running full force. klfeck 22 Oct 2012, 2:15 pm I assume you missed the part where he went head first into the turf and his legs immediately went stiff aka a knockout? Kevin OH!!!!! Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University buckeyeEddie27 22 Oct 2012, 11:09 am female siblings? That was the garbage I picked up on. A broken leg in High School isn't minor in my book. I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there. mclovin 22 Oct 2012, 12:35 pm Call it what you will. I think it would be interesting to know and I'm just guessing that he's an only child or that he doesn't have any brothers, just based on the fact that he overreacts to being hit. I know I could be wrong butm in my opinion, it would explain some of his behavior. buckeyeEddie27 22 Oct 2012, 1:57 pm I'll call BS on your argument of braxton not being tough because he doesnt have brothers? I don't think he overreacts. I think sometimes he'll take a shot, and the staff will check him out. The staff can't do that on the field while the game is being played. So they sit him down for a play or two. I still don't understand your questioning his toughness. The dude gets beat up. I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there. buckeyedude 22 Oct 2012, 11:13 pm You can't be serious. Do you make judgements often? Alhan 22 Oct 2012, 11:41 am If I'm looking at it based on expectations from the beginning of the year, I have to go with the defense being ranked so low. I guess I thought our DLine play would mask the deficiencies in the secondary. The second biggest suprise was probably Boren moving to LB, but probably shouldn't be based on his experience there in the past, our lack of depth at that position, and UfM's penchant for shuffling players to different positions. The least suprise for me is Braxton coming back. I grant you he looked like death warmed over for a bit, but he's been able to come back extremely quickly from injuries that would have benched a lesser player for at least the game in earlier games this year. See weird foot plant/jammed knee/sideline play from a few weeks ago. My cousin is a Physical Therapist who is usually spot on in calling injuries and consequences as they happen in games, but he's called almost every Braxton injury wrong :P "Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke DetroitBuckeye 22 Oct 2012, 11:44 am Well considering that Braxton looked like he was dead, it has to be the miller choice. Buckeye_Mafia 22 Oct 2012, 1:44 pm I hope he is the same person as before. I would NOT blame him for being a bit timid after that. That had to scare the effing crap outta him. It did me. I couldn't even think about the remainder of the game once he went down and when they showed the ambulance for him. Football was NOT my main concern at that point. I actually got pissed off and shut off my phone because everyone was messaging me about the season being lost and us losing to Purdue, blah blah blah. All I could think about was Brax being able to even walk again. My human side came out at that point, and the tOSU fan in me was gone until the news came out later that night that he was symptom free and being released from the hospital. That was a tough thing to see...glad he is good! "At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team. This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama Colin 22 Oct 2012, 1:54 pm For the most part I think I'm going to have to agree with McLovin's theory on this one. I am happy someone else is picking up on this trend because I was berated mercilessly for trying to talk about it on Saturday. The guys on the radio were talking about it today and the term they used was "scared." When Braxton gets hurt he thinks he is probably really hurt...like out for the season hurt, and he isn't. I don't doubt pain and I don't doubt soreness, and I don't think it is a question of toughness anymore because he clearly takes a lot of hits and bounces back, but he has shown a tendency to overdramatize some of these injuries. I'm sure he isn't doing it intentionally but it is happening. DetroitBuckeye 22 Oct 2012, 2:01 pm Only on an ohio state board would people question a guy's toughness after being put on a stretcher. Pam 22 Oct 2012, 2:51 pm And taken to the hospital. Apparently this was at his request since he takes himself out of games. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:27 pm They took him to the hospital based on how he was acting. They thought he was acting concussed. Turns out he wasn't. (Thank god.) Actions speak much louder than words when it comes to removing a player from a game. It is in that sense that he takes himself out of games. Ethos 22 Oct 2012, 3:10 pm who downvoted this? Upvoted for bad downvoting. "I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best SPreston2001 22 Oct 2012, 2:08 pm Wow his knee damn near buckles one game (which looked nasty to me) then he gets slammed on his head and now he's soft?? Wow you guys are pathetic!! Seriously as much as he runs and gets hit you would think he runs to the sidelines after every hit based on some of the comments in this thread! Questioning his toughness??? Seriously?? Wow.... southbymidwest 22 Oct 2012, 2:40 pm How about E) All of the above? Any of these scenarios is surprising, let alone all of them. tennbuckeye19 22 Oct 2012, 3:08 pm Guys, I'm sorry that you think Braxton is an overdramatic scared kid who lacks toughness and overreacts to being hit cause he didn't grow up with brothers. I feel bad that the guy hasn't done enough for you on the field this year. I will be sure to let him know how disappointed you are with him. And I'm glad all of you are such tough guys that you can sit there and question Braxton. It must make you feel real good about yourselves... mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:33 pm Easy, bro. I love Miller. Definitely one of the most exciting athletes I've seen in the scarlet and grey. However, I was not surprised when it turned out he was OK. That was kind of the whole point of the post I made. It doesn't really matter how tough or untough I am, or how good I feel about myself, I can evaluate Miller in the context that is college football, and within that, I think he tends to take longer to gather himself after taking a hard hit than other players. That's not exactly saying anything that is not obvious. His coaches even think the same thing. onetwentyeight 22 Oct 2012, 4:15 pm Lotta internet TUFF GUYZ here who've never had a 350 pound man hurling towards their body before. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:35 pm Not on the advanced level that these guys play, no. But even still, why does that matter? input4u 22 Oct 2012, 4:31 pm Great Poll... I thought for sure Miller would at least have a concussion. He almost looked knocked out cold.... Colin 22 Oct 2012, 5:18 pm They just played a clip on the radio of Coach Tom Herman comparing Braxton Miller to John Simon. He said John Simon was a guy that is used to getting hurt and playing hurt, Braxton isn't. He then said Braxton is a fine tuned athlete but was only 19 years old. He implied Braxton didn't know how to play hurt yet. Mike and Krenzel are saying right now Braxton needs to figure out the difference between being hurt and being injured...so it's not just us few, you guys need to take the blinders off and see that it is ok to criticize the star quarterback on something that is clear. DetroitBuckeye 23 Oct 2012, 1:48 am He gets injured a lot because he is not a big guy and runs the ball 15-20 times a game, as well as getting hit many more times, Krenzel never dealt with that. I actually think that it shows Braxton's toughness how he always comes back into the game when he is injured. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:37 pm That definitely has some merit. But he is a pretty solid dude. I think the only question is whether there was an actual injury he is coming back into the game from on each occassion. Poison nuts 22 Oct 2012, 11:09 pm I said before, I'll say again, he's probably too tough or not scared enough of getting injured. I'm trying to remember how many OSU games he's missed due to injury, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any. He took a bad spill to the head/neck/shoulder area on Saturday. It shook him up & due to the nature of the where he was hurting, they took him to the hospital to make sure he was ok, on account of the possibility that maybe his neck got broke or something...I mean surely no one here is saying that his wobbling & inability to walk was fake....right?? He will probably play Saturday - I imagine he will be very eager to go & have something to prove. As for Simon playing hurt - yes he does, but he's not the one with the ball in his hands or the game on his back. Braxton is. If he comes out a play or two after getting speared by a 300 lb animal, he certainly has my permission. I'm not one of the guys down voting you Colin. You're entitled to a different opinion, but regardless of what was said on the radio - I say he's tough kid & has taken way more than his share of lumps this year. And this thing about having no brothers or sister Mclovin -- WTF is that??? "Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto. Colin 23 Oct 2012, 12:39 am I don't agree with any of McLovin's analogies but I think his overall idea was true. I took it personally on Saturday when I got called ignorant several times and disgusting when all I did was make an observation. I just keep wanting to point out it wasn't only me thinking this.... even the COACHES feel this way. Braxton is a tough dude but simply put doesn't know how to "walk it off" yet. He is playing big boy football and given his role on the team he should understand he is going to get hit a lot and he is going to have to play through pain, play through bumps and bruises, and not immediately get off the field every time something happens. People on this site think like parents and not athletes, which is what they should do in these situations. Poison nuts 23 Oct 2012, 9:15 am I think that Braxton feels as though at any given time, he might have to make a play that ends up being a TD...If anything, I feel like if he doubts that he can do something magical, he'll come out, "walk it off" then go back. Oh well, we disagree on this - it's cool - talk at you somewhere else soon. "Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:23 pm Dude, what analogies did I make? I asked a question about whether he was an only child or had any older brothers. It was a simple question. Didn't know people would think I was insulting him. Just being curious. Thanks for the backup though -- tough crowd. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:41 pm I'll say it again about the brother thing -- it was a question. Sorry everyone got bent out of shape, but it was a harmless question that would, for me, explain his overreaction to being hit hard. Another thing that would explain it is that he has been such a gifted athelte that only at this point in his career has he had to go up against the level of competition that can actually hit him with any force. That could be the case as well. At any rate, I don't think anyone is calling him a puss. We just wish he would get his bearings back quicker -- at least when the game is on the line. lljjgg 22 Oct 2012, 7:49 pm To go from 6-7 one season to 8-0 (so far) the next to me is the most surprising, if we go 12-0 (which is very possible) it'll blow my mind haha. We don't have wholy different players this year than we did last year, so to go this far with a talent level that is to me (outside of a few stars) slightly above average, is amazing. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:22 pm I love the objectivity here! I don't comment enough to be privy to the downvoting system, but as I have heard from others, I'm taking some pretty big hits, which is pretty lame considering I put an opinion out there for which there is evidence and in response took personal attacks with no factual basis. (The only child/no brother thing was simply a question I was wondering about. I thought someone might know. Re-read what I wrote. I wasn't insulting him.) Miller has a history of overreacting to "injuries." There is evidence: Nebraska last year, several times this year where he has sat out a couple plays/series, Purdue this year. Remember these "injuries" looked bad due to his reaction to them. The medical/scientific review afterwards has revealed that there is nothing there. He was completely fine. His reaction to something like a football hit is instananeous and not exactly a dig on his toughness -- I'm sure he can't help it. He does, after all, pull himself together afterwards. But to think that it's not cause for concern or something that is Braxton Miller at this point in his career is to ignore the facts. He is an exceptionally talented read option quarterback, an amazing athlete, a developing passer, who is prone to getting his bell rung and ending up on the sidelines for a couple plays. Earle 23 Oct 2012, 1:37 pm McLovin, I've seen this movie before. You are entitled to your opinion, but if you keep defending it in this way, you will end up getting the banhammer from downvotes. One of the best pieces of marriage advice I ever received is a simple question: "Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?" I think that idea applies here. I do not believe you are right, but if you keep trying to prove your point, you will be downvoted into oblivion. Snarkies gonna snark. mclovin 23 Oct 2012, 1:45 pm Downvotes, as I understand them, should be used for those who are not able to engage with the members of the forum in a meaningful, rational, and respectful manner. I don't think that what I have put here falls outside of that. I don't think disagree = downvote. Earle 23 Oct 2012, 1:57 pm I agree with you on the downvotes. But clearly you have hit a nerve with a segment of the commentariat in questioning Braxton's toughness, but moreso with the whole sibling thing. I'm not going to argue the point, just trying to give you a bit of friendly advice. Do with it what you will. Snarkies gonna snark. southbymidwest 27 Oct 2012, 1:22 pm @mclovin- Bud, you not only insulted Braxton, but insulted only kids, kids who have no older brothers, and the female population. Pretty big group there. I married an only child. One of the toughest guys mentally that I know. Growing up an only child gave him supreme confidence because he was always getting lots of positive attention from his parents (not to be confused with let's give you a gold star for everything you do). As an only, you can get used to the attention, so it doesnt phase you if you go onto a bigger stage. First children are often leaders. More presidents are first borns than any others birth-order wise. And I would challenge you to meet my daughters-both athletes who had knee surgeries, rehabbed, and went out there and played again. And don't give me the "I was only asking an innocent question" crap. You were either being very disengenious or you are truly clueless.