Looking at this objectivly, as a fan of the game of college football, no player on this list made their team better than Tyrann Mathieu. Even though its extremely rare for a player on D to win this award, that kid has been lights out in coverage, as a tackler, made just overall big time plays on defense, and is probably the best punt returner in the country. Just my $0.02
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It's funny that is poll is the opposite of what is going to occur.
I'm on the RGIII or Monte Ball bandwagon!
For Ball yes, not necessarily RGIII. A lot of mock ballets have him winning it, by a large margin in fact.
Montee Ball is going to break Barry Sanders's record. How could he not win the Heisman? He will get two more games than Sanders got to achieve this feat, yet he has done it on less touches. If Ball doesn't win the Heisman it only further justifies how much of a beauty contest this has become. Also Tyrann Matthieu shoudn't garner any consideration in my mind, first he was suspended this season because he broke the law, and secondly he is a dirty player, if Matthieu were to win the award what kind of message would that send?
I feel like Ball benefitted from Wisconsin running up the score on every bad team they played. Wisconsin didn't really live up to the hype this year so I think that hurt him also. Sure they won the Big Ten but this was a really bad year for this conference so it's probably not as impressive.
38 TDs is impressive no matter who you played against. For instance who besides LSU did Trent Richardson play against? Ball faced a defensive line that is just as good, if not better than LSU's in MSU, and he still put up good numbers. Ball is about to own the season record for TDs by a running back. How does he not deserve the Heisman?
Well first, there is no way MSU's line is as good as LSU's. And I realize Richardson didn't play against many good teams either...but he's not going to win it anyway.
What makes you say MSU doesn't have a better D-line? They have Jerel Worthy, William Gholston, and Marcus Rush who together have combined for 139 tackles, 29.5 tackles for loss, and 10.5 sacks. While they are lacking in sacks, those three players are better, and more disruptive than any trio of LSU defensive lineman.
To put that in perspective, those stats are pretty even with our best trio of John Simon, Johnathan Hankins, and Michael Bennet who have combined for 130 tackles, 31 tackles for loss, and 13 sacks.
Oh man, I don't know about that dude. That's a very bold statement. LSU might not have a better player individually than Worthy but LSU as a unit is so good. Montgomery, Mingo, and Brockers combine for 132 tackles, 19 sacks and 37 TFL's and are MUCH faster off the line than anything Sparty has.
They've also done it against better competition than Sparty. I'd give LSU the edge any day of the week.
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Yeah I saw those stats and was about to post them. In fact Worthy actually has the worse stats of anyone besides Michael Bennet, and Bennet barely started. I would still say that MSU's D-line is better in that they have more upside in Jerel Worthy and William Gholston than LSU has in Barkevious Mingo or Sam Montgomery.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'more upside'. I don't recal a time when LSU got seriously challenged up front by anyone-save for UGA in the first half of the SEC title game. Ball ran roughshod over Sparty twice, ND hit them with a 1-2 punch for 5.4 and 4.4 per carry a piece and Burkhead was all over them as well. Good players and a great D line but LSU's was dominating all year, Sparty's had some hiccups.
Edit-Gholston is a total punk too, brings shame to the name. Cousin Vern should be very disapoint.
Yeah I'd say you and Colin have swayed me on this topic. Thought the stats would sway in my favor until I looked at LSU's whole unit. What I do mean by more upside is that I can see Gholston and Worthy being better NFL players than Mingo or Montgomery. Although LSU's freshman Anthony Johnson is an absolute beast, and may end up being better than any of the players we have discussed. You are right though in that Gholston is a punk as well.
I like Worthy as an NFL'er as well. Has the size and quickness to play at a high level in the NFL.
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I would probably vote for Ball, but without a lot of conviction. I like Griffin a lot, and he appears to be the favorite now, but I have trouble taking the numbers of any Big 12 quarterback seriously.
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Montee Ball and Robert Griffin III is a funny way of spelling "Andrew Luck". Voters love white pro style QB's folks. Dude won the Heisman the second this season started.
For the record, I would love to see Griffin win it and if I had a vote, he would get mine. William hit it on the head-this already is a beauty contest and its become a joke of an award to me. You guys can rationalize it and would make great cases for Ball or RG but this thing is Luck's. inviting the other guys is a nice gesture.
no Bauserman? what a sham
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No... you are confused. You are thinking of the Anti-Heisman, which they granted to Bauseman without competition. If Bauserman were in the same room with the Heisman winner, the combination of Heisman and anti-Heisman would cause a giant black hole to appear and the whole universe would be destroyed. We don't want that to happen, now, would we?
What makes me sad is that if Bauserman and the Heisman winner were in the same room, I know which one Bollman would choose to start
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Luck is probably a better pro prospect than Richardson, but the Heisman isn't NFL potential. It has to be Richardson. RG3? No. Might as well toss up there Kellen Moore who plays New Mexico and Nevada.
RGIII plays in the big XII, come on now..
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If you are comparing Baylor's schedule to Boise State's, check your facts. Baylor had a tougher schedule than us this year. Griffin III certainly didn't pad his stats against cupcake opponents. This guy is the real deal.
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I would honestly give the award to Luck. He did it on his own. He had a good RB, but no WR worth mentioning. He was throwing to RBs and TE's all year. His stats are basically the same. He had 2 few completions with 1 more attempt, and about 160 yards less with 3 more TD's and 1 more pick. Guy would've won last year if it weren't for the freak season Cam Newton had last year.
CMON NO LOVE FOR HONEY BADGER???!!!
I hate how the award is biased against (THE ENTIRE DEFENSE) and all offensive players except for 2 positions
Honey Badger served a suspension this year for smoking synthetic marijuana..
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That's somehow... worse than scAM Newton getting $300k in CASH in a Backpack?
Did I miss something but how does smoking (FAKE, LEGAL) weed make you any worse a football player? Hate these awards with the fake arbitary "moral" guidelines.
Edit: DID NOT know they outlawed that stuff this year. damn.
Tyrann Matthieu is a goon, watch the Alabama game over again he had several late hits, he served a suspension,and I don't care what it was for. If you do something like that, what kind of message does that send, that you're awarding the Heisman to someone who broke the law and served a suspension that was detrimental to his team?
Always thought the Heisman was just supposed to be given to the best College Football player of each season. Not to the top citizen or top model Boy Scout. But what do I know.
Yes he might be a goon. I don't know him and I don't care to find out if he is or not. I DO know (for me) that out of all the players I watched this year, he singlehandidly won more games for his team than anyone else. For me, what he does on the field makes him deserving of the Heisman.
I just don't like how his being a goon should have any weight in determining whether he was the best football player in the country, on the field, this year. If the best player happens to be a goon, do you just pretend like he doesn't exist so you get a "better message" to send to the kids?
The Honey Badger "singlehandidly won more games for his team than anyone else." So what you're saying is that he singlehandedly won more games for LSU than Andrew Luck won for Stanford? Interesting because I think Stanford would have had a MUCH worse record w/o Luck. Same goes for Baylor with RGIII. This all stems from my belief that the QB is not only the most important position in football because the QB is always a determining factor in wins and losses.
The synthetic marijuana comment I made has nothing to do with him not being a "Boy Scout" but was made because it shows that, via his suspension, he was not always available to his team. Given that ALL of the other Heisman candidates were available to their team week-in and week-out, I don't see Honey Badger winning the Heisman AT ALL.
Ok I understand the point about the suspension costing his team.
IMO even with that taken into acct he still had the most impact on his team even tho he missed 1 game.
Stanford w/o Luck ... we can debate this forever. Is Baylor even a 3 win team with RG3? How come places like Bama and Wisky plug tailbacks in every other year seamlessly? Hell, imagine OSU without Brax. How many games do we win this year with Baus? 1?
Again, not trying to start a flame war but this "who is more valuable" type of debate could go on forever without ending conclusively.
But there are quite a few guys you could've replaced Luck with who would've approximated most of his production in terms of yardage, TDs, most stats. Landry, barkley, RG, Rwilson, kellen moore, weedem, etc. How many guys could've approximated Tyronn's slew game-changing plays where he literally would snatch the ball away from someone for a TD ? The momentum shifting results from his play IMO are why he is deserving. Feel free to disagree.
lol at u thinking smoking even real weed should warrant zero consideration
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It's not about the weed (synthetic or not, legalize it all) it's about being available to your team and Honey Badger made off the field choices that took him away from his team. EVERY other Heisman candidate was with his team in EVERY game. That counts for a lot IMO.
Completely agree with Thirdleglouie. I could care less what warranted the suspension, but the fact that it took away from his team and detrimentally affected them eliminates any chance he should have at earning the Heisman in my opinion.
Luck sure brings his lunchpail to work every day.
Sure seems to, and while the Oregon game wasn't his best game it certainly wasn't on him that the defense could not stop the Ducks. Kind of like the QB from Oklahoma State, he was being mentioned as a lock to be a finalist. They lose to Iowa State, and he put up GREAT numbers in that game too, and all the sudden he's not a Heisman finalist. Also you have to consider he did all this at 45 years old and it makes it even more impressive.
it's because he's old and a ginger. discrimination. also, esss eee seeeeee speed made him not be a finalist.
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