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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Happened on Tress's watch, but I still think he was protecting the kids. I know I'm in the minority with that. The media is truly at fault for blowing this way out of proportion and the horrible irresponsibility of reports.

BuckeyeChris's picture

^^^^ This... and is why the USC-types (and ESPiN) were so fake outraged when our punishment was nowhere near that of USC's. OSU was punished based on what was ultimately proven, not based on what was REPORTED or alleged. "But...you KNOW there was more to it than that!" Yeah, just like I KNOW Cam Newton got paid to go to Auburn, so shut the eff up.

It's over.

We're a pissed be-yaach next year and a BCS team in 2013.

Go Bucks! 

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I agree, If this happens at Purdue or Illinois, it makes the bottom line on ESPiN, and gets a little coverage. It was blown up by the media. Certain programs that have an elite football history (tOSU, USC, Miami) will always draw more attention and ridicule from the media. We just have to deal with it.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

rkylet83's picture

Its on the kids and the athletic department.  Coaches don't have enough time in the day to baby sit these kids.  Hopefully the athletic department will take a more active approach in making sure this doesn't happen again.

BuckeyeChris's picture

 "Coaches don't have enough time in the day to baby sit these kids."

The NCAA would disagree.

rkylet83's picture

I don't think the NCAA takes into account the amount of hours a coach works + trying to make time for their own families.  The NCAA disagrees, but their wrong. 

BuckeyeChris's picture

Oh, I certainly was not/would never defend the NCAA. Bottom line, though is that if Tessel acts as babysitter (forwards the email, etc...) Tat5 get suspended for 2010 season and that's that. 

spqr2008's picture

And then, after he fowards the email and follows up, he likely gets charged with obstruction of justice by a federal DA.

awwwwwwop's picture

This is just not true at all. Read the federal obstruction of justice statute.  There is nothing I can find that would have come even close to qualifying what Tressel should have done as obstruction of justice. 18 U.S.C.A. 1510 - Obstruction of a criminal investigation.  He would have had to act corruptly or with intent to obstruct.

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spqr2008's picture

The problem with current U.S. law trends is that they are ignoring Mens Rea (guilty mind concept), and prosecuting regardless of intent.

awwwwwwop's picture

Well regardless of his mens rea, the actions dont even fit within the statute.

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buckeyedude's picture

Mens Rea?  I thought that had something to do with Tressel's prostate. I hope he's getting checked regularly.

 

 

faux_maestro's picture

I thought it was Cabot's brother...

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nickma71's picture

Oh but it is. Cicero told him in the 2nd email, he can't talk about it. And said Lawyer is now in trouble. Or so I read in the Plane Dealer.

awwwwwwop's picture

In the 2nd email, not the first. And he was doing things wrong, Tressel would not have been.

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Dean's picture

Cicero couldn't talk about it because, regardless of what Cicero claims now, confidentiality between attorneys and clients includes people seeking representation, which the guy (name? forgotten already) who told Cicero was.  Tressel wasn't bound by confidentiality, and confidentiality has nothing to do with obstructing a federal investigation.  He just felt obligated enough to Cicero that he didn't go public with it, or maybe, not being a lawyer himself, Tressel did not fully understand his responsibilities (or, more accurately, that he had NO responsibility to keep confidentiality).

faux_maestro's picture

The lawer is in trouble for sharing info that was protected by attorney/client privilege. I understand Tressel's thinking though, but in hindsight he should have talked to the University general council.

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BuckeyeNation's picture

"The NCAA would disagree." 

And that's the whole problem w/the NCAA!

 

When i was 12yrs old i stole a candy bar from a carryout store and got caught. There was 7 of us siblings and just my dad. With his work and the rest of his responsibilities he couldn't keep up w/all of us. But he always tried to teach us the difference between right & wrong. He also preached to us that we should never do things that would compromise our friends, family or ourselves. So i knew better, yet i chose to make the wrong decision anyway! So my father had to take time off work, take me to court and pay all fines and court costs that i had endured. Though he was legally responsible for me, in the end, it was I who had to be held responsible for my actions (and trust me... my dad DID!). But again... i was 12. I was still a child who had a lot of learning to do.

These kids who are 18/19 years old, though maybe still teenagers who are growing into young men, are now college students and ultimately are the ones who need to be held accountable. It was there actions in the first place that placed the burden on Jim Tressel's shoulders. Like i did w/my dad.

Now... don't misinterpret me, JT was in the wrong on how he handle the situation after he became aware of what was going on, and paid for it dearly. But how can anyone fault a father for trying to protect his children? 

I think in the end, the kids need to be better educated on the rules and the consequences if they're broken. Because, believe you me... a wooden spoon, switch or a leather belt across the ass sure made me stand up and take attention!

 

Seabass1974's picture

NCAA.

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blazers34's picture

All of the above?

 

Everyone listed had a hand in this.

Doc's picture

Tress was the one who sat on the info.  He would still be the coach if he would have sent this up the chain of command.  The players knew they were breaking rules, but "kids will be kids", I guess.  Tressel and smith have the most blame, they are the "adults".

Now that Uurbz is the coach I'm kinda glad Tress is gone.  I'm really excited for the next chapter of Buckeye Football.  Tressel/Walrusball wasn't "tripping the trigger" anymore for me.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'm not sure I'll ever be "glad" to see Tress gone.  I loved him as our coach.  Didn't mind the Tresselball when we were always winning the B1G and beating Michigan.  Yes, I was mad at the USC/Florida type games.  Mad as hell, but never doubted he should have been our coach.  Doesn't he have the most BCS wins with the Ark game still counted?  Meyer's prone to dropping a few games, but maybe it'll be different in the very slow, much weaker B1G.  Regardless of how Meyer does, I'll still miss Tress, but that's just me.

Doc's picture

I got ya.  I know it sounds funny, but after what went down this past year I can't even stand looking at pictures of Tress.  Believe me, winning B1G Championships and BCS games were not getting old.  I was tired of the offensive frustration, the lack of developmnet of a freak athlete at QB, no killer instinct when we had a team on the ropes...etc...

"Say my name."

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

A lot of people feel that way.  If we start having great offenses and win as much as we are now accustomed to, then maybe missing Tress won't be an issue for me.  The idea of having a powerful offense to match how good our defenses are is nice.  I can tell you I've never missed John Cooper.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Reply to IISY re: JT's USC/Florida type games.

I have a theory about that. I think the last USC game was the turning point for Tressel's big game strategy. After USC I think Tressel had a change in philosophy which I see validated by the Oregon Rose Bowl and the Arkansas Sugar Bowl victories.

Prior to that I think JT utilized straightup Tresselball against every opponent. After USC I think he realized that straightup Tresselball only worked against teams with equal or inferior talent. It fails against superior talent the likes of USC or Florida. For those games, Tressel started practicing an out-of-nowhere offense (something that isn't on film so the opponent can't prepare for it) until a big lead was achieved then slip back into Tresselball.

It's just a theory. But last year prior to the Sugar Bowl, I kept telling people Arkansas was in the bag. That Tress was over the hump as far as big games.

It will be different under Meyer and I'm behind the guy as much as the next Buckeye. But I won't turn my back on Tressel or the success he brought to the program.

Two Bucks's picture

The genius who put that information into a university email address. WTF?!!! I'm sure Tressel has a private email address. 

BuddhaBuck's picture

This happens at every school, we just got caught.... But, the Federal investigation added a layer of difficulty and complexity to the situation.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I blame the Wendy's manager for having TPeezy's sweet ass sports car towed

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I blame Fat Burger for ruining our Heisman QB before the MNC!  If he doesn't gain 700 lbs of fat we win and the SEC sinks back to the hole it crawled from.

BuckeyeSki's picture

If we're gonna go that route bro, I blame Ryan Hamby for dropping that TD against Texas.

/Butterfly Effect

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

If Hamby catches that pass from Zwick, Troy Smith may have never started another game.

buckeyedude's picture

ROFL @ Buckeyeski!

 

 

Maestro's picture

"new" sports car SKI.

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RBuck's picture

I'll blame the final verdict/punishment on Bobby D. As a registered booster he knew the rules and ignored them; thus bringing the FTM and bowl ban.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

O - H - I - O's picture

It has to be the "tat 5"

Not only that but Pryor being the stand up guy that he is only got a 5 game suspension...FROM THE NFL, because he jumped ship! The Senator got a 5 year show cause and the other 3 players got 5 games and 1 got 9! Here's to hoping Meyer has a spy at each tattoo parlor in the area!

"Because I couldn't go for three"

Maestro's picture

Rogue boosters are a program killer.  Get a life losers.

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Baroclinicity's picture

The Tat-5 started it, but I still cannot understand why Tressel didn't fess up in Dec. last year when it was breaking instead of waiting until March.  Made zero sense... he was busted... it was only a matter of time, as we all saw.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

He did fess up. Read pages 121-122 of his testimony. He told Julie Vannatta on December 16th that he had indeed received a tip. This info was relayed to the NCAA, and the NCAA still reinstated the players on December 23rd for the Sugar Bowl. And he didn't wait til March. The NCAA found the email in January during a self-audit and reported it immediately.

Once again... People.... need.... to..... read.... the..... transcript!

Baroclinicity's picture

I did read it, and I just read that part again.  I just don't like the dodginess of it all.  I guess I just react to stuff differently when the poop is about to hit the fan.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I think compliance really mishandled this more so than Tressel. I think if they would have just allowed Tressel to take an affirmative defense from the get-go, things wouldn't have looked so bad. Tressel could have said "Yeah, I received a tip. And here's why I sat on it.... but once the investigation was over and I could confirm that my players weren't in danger, I fully intended to address the allegations and suspend these players."... As it is, they wouldn't let Tressel say anything. It was really compliance that effed up big time.

awwwwwwop's picture

I still blame Tress.  You have to report that information.  If he suspends them last year, a lot of this Bobby D stuff probably never comes out as Terrelle would no longer be trying to get himself and others suspended to get into the NFL.  Bobby D still deserves a ton of blame for the envelopes of cash.  I still question some of the no show job stuff about Posey, but it seems like some of it was probably going on.

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joel121270's picture

This falls on the players....they keep their noses clean, this doesn't happen and Tress isn't put into the position he was put into. He made a choice to conceal it but it's all secondary had these guys done what they were supposed to. I don't care what you say they put themselves in this position by doing what they did when they knew better and now everyone has to suffer....Sadly, it really isn't fair to penalize the upcoming group of players for the sins of a few...The NCAA really needs to revisit this, those who were involved were penalized but now they saying (IMHO) these kids need to be penalized too.

NW Buckeye's picture

What Tress did was stupid, even bad.  The kids F'd up royally.  But, the NCAA would not have issued a bowl ban if the Bobby D stuff had not happened.  Yes, we would have gotten smacked, but Bobby D put us over the top.  Heck, his actions alone would have been enough for FTM and a bowl ban. 

Wake up people, don't let your disgust of Tressel and the tat5 cloud you vision of what the NCAA really blew up over. Once a booster was involved they did not even consider evidence that the kids had actually worked those hours - the atty representing the kids even had depositions and phone records proving they were on site for the time paid, and that their wage was below others who worked at the same time.  The NCAA didn't want to hear any of that.  All they saw was "booster" and the fact that OSU compliance did not know about the jobs or the charity.  Hence, the FTM and the bowl ban.  It really is as simple as that. 

If any one really wants to get angry with someone, Bobby D is your man.  Ultimate jock sniffer who believed he was above NCAA rules.  If anyone wants to take action based upon these sanctions, boycotting Bobby's businesses would seem the right move.  A lot of talk around the net of people wanting to put the NCAA in its place, or not being able to even look at a picture of Tressel.  All that angst would not be there if it had not been for the harsh penalties forced because of this rogue booster. 

Bucks's picture

I think I'm quite ok with placing blame on multiple people, b/c it is warranted. Not going to just place everything on one person. There is no reason to believe the minor overpayment/benefits from a booster who has employed Ohio State players for around 30 years would result in a bowl ban on it's own. I fully agree though that when that came out, it pushed over the edge given what had already happened. If that was on it's own? Not likely.

For me, JT certainly takes most of it. A HC with his length of experience & who had served as AD previously should know better. Bobby D (had a interview that I chose to listen to on the day sanctions were announced, from an unpopular hack)  makes no qualms about admitting what he did but does defend some things. The school administration for royally mishandling the entire debacle from the beginning. The young men involved, who have paid their penalty.

JT withheld information in multiple ways & ultimately came clean after presented with fact, getting us a 10.1. Bobby D paid kids at a charity event & allegedly overpaid some players for work done/not done, resulting in FTM. Admin (GS mostly) well, we all know that part.

buckeyedude's picture

The Tat 5 and Tressel both played a part, obviously, but this situation would have never happened if not for the 5 selling their stuff. They knew the rules, just didn't think they'd get caught.

 

 

Scott's picture

Tough question. I voted for the Five, but I think they equally share the burden with Tressel, our compliance shop, and all who gave things away for free. All of them contributed to creating the worst point in the history of Ohio State football.

I do think it's interesting how quickly people forget that Boom -- the team-voted MVP -- and Posey -- the player who got the loudest cheer on senior day -- are ultimately the reason why we got the FTM and the bowl ban. Yes, we still would have lost our coach and players would have served their initial suspensions, but this nightmare would officially be over if not for their summer "work" with Bobby D.

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Doc's picture

I do think it's interesting how quickly people forget that Boom -- the team-voted MVP -- and Posey -- the player who got the loudest cheer on senior day -- are ultimately the reason why we got the FTM and the bowl ban. Yes, we still would have lost our coach and players would have served their initial suspensions, but this nightmare would officially be over if not for their summer "work" with Bobby D.

This is why Urban should boot these two off the team and not allow them to participate in the Gator bowl.  I would also strip Herron of his Captaincy.  Why should these two jokers get the bowl experience as Seniors when next years class gets screwed because of these guys and their deuchebaggery.

 

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Irricoir's picture

I can't really disagree. I'm torn between showing loyalty for their service but at the same time, where is the accountability? I know they did their time. Isn't that enough?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Doc's picture

I don't think it is enough.  Their actions are punishing guys that did the right things and kept themselves out of trouble.  Missing the bowl makes things a little more "even" in my book.  An eye for an eye, so to speak.

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Colin's picture

Tress is ultimately at fault, he lied back in December when he said it was the first time he had heard about it. When it was found that he received emails describing the situation (you know...back in April), he got destroyed. The players were just doing what a lot of hot shot players had been doing for years...and they got caught. I have no sympathy for Tress anymore.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

If all of you - like me - knew someone that was murdered over drugs (despite the fact that he was the buyer, not the dealer), then you would never blame Tress.

If you've ever had to be the one to call the police because you woke up to the sound of glass breaking and then walked out of your apartment to see the front glass door broken followed by a trail of blood and scattered cannabis leaves leading to the apartment above you, you would never blame Tress.

I hate to sound like one of those guys that says "You just don't know, because you've never lived that life". But that's exactly what I'm saying. You just don't know how dangerous the world can be. What you see on the news from the comfort of your suburban homes is what I have witnessed and experienced in real life.

Irricoir's picture

The world suffers from separatist syndrome (Not an official term). That's why everyone is so shocked when they are the victim of a crime. they don't believe it can or they believe it is highly unlikely anything will happen to them. That is why they lack empathy and true understanding into Tressel's motives and just want to latch onto to the commercial propaganda.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

awwwwwwop's picture

I think what we don't understand is why his silence helped those players escape those lives. I think we wanted to see tress get these kids out of this life not cover up for them. But you are right I really don't know. I would live to hear more from you on this issue

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I think the reason he told Sarniak was because he knew Sarniak could get through to him. Now you ask "Ok, I understand. But then why didn't he relay the same stuff to Mrs. Posey?". And that's a fair question. I have a theory about that based on my knowing Julie Posey and her closest friends. While the Poseys and I are well acquainted with each other, we're not like BFF. We're close enough whereby I can sit outside a reception hall and chat with Mrs. Posey while she's smoking, or she, Julian, and DeVier would invite me to sit with them if they're back at high school track meets (which DeVier and Julian still like to attend every now and then when they were on break). But we both have a mutual friend (a former coach) with whom the Poseys and myself are VERY close with and talk to quite frequently. So I do have some information that people don't know about why Tressel didn't call Mrs. Posey, but I really can't put that on here.  

awwwwwwop's picture

Thanks for your insights.

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nickma71's picture

Tressel till I die...I think the haters hate him just like Tebow. Not for football, but because he is the man he seems to be.

buckeyedude's picture

I think you're right Nick. I think the Haters hate on Tebow becuase it's "cool"(at least in the Lib Media) to hate on Christians(or so it seems). Same for Tressel. I don't believe he ever led prayers, but I believe he encouraged his players to do so. He couldn't endorse it for fear of a lawsuit by the ACLU. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Mybe not. My point is, is that people hate on Tebow and Tressel because both are professed Christians. Sorry to get "all religious" on a football website.

 

 

btalbert25's picture

I've never heard anyone in the media ever say anything bad about Tebow.  The media built the legend of Tebow.  The media is who keeps shoving his bad football down our throats and tell us it's something special.  Even after they got whooped last week buy an actual NFL QB, we're still hearing how great Tebow is.

3cent's picture

Umm, I thought this site was suppose to be free of poliitics? Love 11W for many things one of which is stance you have on not talking politics unlike the espn message boards.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

DERP missed the word lib, my bad

faux_maestro's picture

Agree. BTW the "lib. media" likes Tebow as much as anyone else.

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faux_maestro's picture

I don't think most of the hate is because Tressel or Tebow are Christians.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

"he is the man he seems to be"

Absolutely. How many athletes praise God all the time? You see it all the time in postgame interviews and press conferences and speaches, and in team prayers before games in the locker room. And then those same players go out and get arrested that night. Despite all the talk, they don't actually live it. But Tebow does. And he's a better person than most or all of us. He makes us feel bad about ourselves (though that is certainly not his intention). So people root for him to fail or slip up somehow, so that they can see that he's human, and so they can feel better about their pathetic selves. 

btalbert25's picture

I don't like Tebow and it has nothing to do with him being Christian or any of that other BS.  I don't like him because he's the most overhyped player ever.  He had 1 terrific year in college football where he deserved and won the Heisman.  The following 2 years he didn't even deserve to be a finalist, but he got voted in the top 3 or 4 because he "willed his team to victory"  Now they carry on about him in the NFL non stop.  ESPN dedicates a huge segment of NFL Sunday to Tebow, where he was mic'd during a game.  They don't mention the Defense, the fact that they were playing crappy teams who were missing signifcant pieces, or the fact that the kicker kicked extremely long FG's.  No all we hear about is TEBOW. 

Tressel is a coach who always preached values, doing the right thing, having integrity etc.  He is also a coach who for the better part of 20 years has had scandal around his programs.  It's a huge contradiction.  A guy who preaches doing the right thing, yet lies or covers infractions up, or he plays the John Calipari, I had no idea that was going on card.  I loved the guy, he was a great coach, but again it has nothing to do with the guy being relgious or anything else.  it's the fact that there and have been rumblings for quite some time that maybe Tressel, when it pertained to NCAA stuff, wasn't the squeaky clean aww shucks guy we loved. 

Is Tebow a better man than you or me?  I have no freakin clue, I don't know the guy.  I know there are plenty of other athletes who are very religious that don't use it in a self serving way like Colt McCoy for example.  Reggie White was a very religious man.  Josh Hamilton turned to faith and it saved his life.  All of those guys are athletes the media loved or currently love. 

biggy84's picture

It is much easier to insinuate cheating to justify why the man's team just whipped your ass on the field, then looking in the mirror and realizing he is a better coach.

One thing that i do know is that Tressel is a Buckeye. He was born here and raised here. He understands us! He feels the same pain that most kids (the smart ones) felt growing up in this fine state about tsun. He understood that tOSU is a huge source of pride for his Ohio brethren. He honored, and appreciated, the history and honor of being a Buckeye. I will never turn my back on any Buckeye that gets what it is to be a Buckeye! He is me!

 

Doc's picture

Urban Meyer fits that description as well.  Tressel was a great coach, but he ultimately let us down.  He had the power in his hands to do the right thing and he didn't.  He should have looked at the WWJD bracelet on his rght arm and done the right/correct thing.  I'm not bagging on his religiousness, I'm a church going God fearing Catholic, I just think he was a little to smug for his own good.

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biggy84's picture

Let us down for kids doing something wasn't illegal?

Doc's picture

Let us down by not doing the right thing when he had an incriminating e-mail from an attorney.  Not illegal, but still rule breaking in the ncaa's eyes.  After it was all said and done they got 5 game suspensions.  They prolly would have gotten the same punishment, and we wouldn't be banned next year.  On the other hand we wouldn't have Urbz as the HC either.  Bitter sweet for me.

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faux_maestro's picture

Not illegal but against the rules of the NCAA.

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Doc's picture

I disliked Tebow when he was at Florida because eSECpn was shoving him down our throughts.  I fully appreciated that he was/is a good Christian boy that really walks the walk.  My dislike was media driven.  Plus the fact I didn't want him winning 2 Heismans.  I selfishly want Archie to be the only two time winner.  EVER!!!  Unless another Buckeye wins it twice that is.

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spqr2008's picture

Exactly.  Liked the person, hated that he was key in getting Florida to the 06 NCG, hated the fact he could have tied Archie's record, hated the media coverage of him.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

As much as I hate to say it, Tress. Sure the kids are the ones that did things, but the cover up was worse than the crime.

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Denny's picture

Samesies. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the bulk of it lies on Tressel.

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FUqUespin's picture

mi$hitgin and eSpiN are to blame

Tressel and the Players did nothing wrong and Tressel should be reinstated as Special Assistant to Urban handling media inquiries and Punting Team duties with a desk next to Earle and Cooper

Blame mi$hitgin for everything

biggy84's picture

I blame the NCAA and the tabloid media! No matter how much people want to build it up as something horrible, the truth is that these players got in trouble for selling their own personal belongings! 

The media so wants to be the story instead of actually reporting the news. Has anyone ever done some research on the director of programming for espin? I have! The guy was in charge of SPIN magazine, as well as US mag. The evolution of sports media can be directly tied to this IMO. 

The ncaa has no problems making money off of these college players likenesses, etc, But you are totally fucked if you sell your own. Wake up people!

DJ Byrnes's picture

I blame everybody, but this entire situation is brought about by the NCAA's archaic rulebook and joke of a system. 

The NCAA needs to be blown up entirely. ENTIRELY.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

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Seabass1974's picture

I know earlier I wrote simply the "NCAA" but I would like to amend that to include "ESPiN". Everytime I turned on ESPiN they kept saying what should happen and just kept hammering home all the worst things until finally public sentiment forced the NCAA's hand.

 

It's no different than ESPiN pushing the SEC National Championship game on us. In fact if we go back to 2006 we know that ESPiN itself said if you can't win your conference you shouldn't be playing for the National Title. Funny how things change when you plop down 2 billion dollars and now need to hock and promote a product you now own.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

mastermiind's picture

Anybody who says they wouldn't have done exactly what tress did is either 1- lying to themselves or 2- has been left behind while the movers and shakers have bypassed them in life. The kids broke one of the most preposterous rules in history.  If Congress enacts a law that makes listening to Bruce Springsteen illegal (pretty comparable in terms of silliness to the NCAA's "can't sell your own stuff" rule), and I know for a fact that my neighbor listens to the boss, am I going to turn him in when Big Brother comes to my door? Hell no. Sometimes you have to go against the system in life when the system itself is a miscarriage of justice. 

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JakeBuckeye's picture

We are sitting scott-free without Bobby D. Let's not forget what gave us the FTM charge.

Muss_15's picture

Now I was under the impression that the "Tat5" did not receive proper information from compliance regarding the whole selling your memorabilia when they committed the "violation" which is why they received the 5th game of their suspension (because once they were informed they didn't turn themselves in...I'm not sure who would do that).  

I could be completely wrong on this because of all the information the media through around which was mostly inaccurate and I learned to ignore about 80% of what these places were throwing out there.  Anyways, this is why I can't put ALL the fault on those players.

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Nming the Tat 5 as the biggest culprits is easy for those who revere Tressel and don't unersyand therole of boosters, but it is the wrongest answer of the ones we're permitted to choose. The Tat 5 were not responsible for a single penalty imposed on the university other than their own suspensions. Bobby G, who knew better, provided the temption and opporetunity, without which the sale/ trade might not have occurred. Tressel's cover-up and his cover-up alone lead to his dismissal which obviously had the potential for greater harm in the long run than the suspension for five games of five players.

The biggest culprit is Smith. It was his big mouth - his and Gee's - that made OSU look arrogant. It was his failure to insist on increased compliance teaching when the Tat 5 pleaded ignornance that perhaps lead to subsequent violations. It was he who was responsible for protecting OSU from greater harm, yet did nothing to prevent a bowl ban againat what may be a very very good team next year and is acting surprised that it should have been levied, when any casual observer could have told him it was a realistic possibility. And if Meyer, who is our savior for the moment if we have one, has any second thoughts about the job it may be the bungling AD he will have to work under. If that situation does prove an irritant to Meyer there is precedent for his deciding that he would rather be with his family than coach.

11W, you let us down. The greatest villian is Smith and it's not even close, and you didn't even give us that choice.

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Jim Tressel and the Tat 5 fucked up as far as NCAA compliance goes, no doubt.  But remember when it was just the tattoo stuff and the NCAA said no FTM or LOIC (back in August)? 

Then, two sets of suspensions are handed down at the start of the season and in October, for players getting paid to appear at a charity event and players getting overpaid for summer jobs respectively.  Then, in November - FTM charge comes.  One common denominator - Bobby D.

NCAA was much more critical of us for not monitoring Bobby D.  They agreed that Tattoogate was pretty much all Tressel coverup and that our program really couldn't have done much differently with that.  I blame Bobby D for knowingly breaking rules and throwing his money around on some college kids.  Many of these kids aren't going to turn down that money given their situations.  They probably thought they would never be caught.

NCAA rules are archaic, and their enforcement is inconsistent.  The bowl ban is unfair because most of the offending players are gone after this year, and they get to play in a bowl while a lot of players who were not in the wrong have to suffer next year. 

I blame all of them.  I blame the media and Gene Smith also.  Gene Smith fucked up multiple wet dreams with his handling of this.  Maybe if he self imposed a bowl ban this year, we wouldn't have one next year.  And the media for blowing this shit up so much, while other programs with potentially worse violations fly under the radar with them.  It's almost like a nationwide conspiracy to hate Ohio State and take every opportunity to bury them. 

Class of 2010.