2014 Season Preview: Beat Roundtable

By Patrick Maks on August 16, 2014 at 6:00a
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Eleven Warriors' 2014 Ohio State Football Season Preview

The following is a sampling of the kinds of questions facing Ohio State with the start of the 2014 season just two weeks away: are the Buckeyes really a legitimate contender to make the first-ever college football playoff? Is Braxton Miller's shoulder OK? Will the pass defense improve? Is the defensive line really that good? How do you replace four starters on the offensive line and not expect to lose offensive momentum?

So we assembled a few esteemed members of the Ohio State football beat – Ben Axelrod of Bleacher Report, Jeff Svoboda and Ryan Ginn of Buckeye Sports Bulletin and Eric Seger of The Ozone – for answers and insight. 


A lot of people are pegging Ohio State as a favorite for one of four spots in the first-ever college football playoff despite losing most of its offensive line, Carlos Hyde, Philly Brown and a cache of talent in the defensive secondary. You think that’s possible?

Ben Axelrod: Yeah, of course it's possible. This time of year it's possible that the Buckeyes will be national champions and it's possible that they'll be unranked. Anything could happen between now and January. Is it likely? I don't think so. But it wouldn't shock me either. Ohio State lost a lot of talent, but also returns a lot of talent and brings in a lot of talent. If I had to pick one team from the Big Ten to make the playoff at this point in the year, I'd say it's the Buckeyes, but I don't necessarily buy that the Big Ten champion is a lock for the playoffs each and every year. Gun to head, I say no playoff bid for the Buckeyes this year, but I certainly understand why anyone would think otherwise.

Ryan Ginn: Looking at the talent on this roster, it’s definitely possible. I would not call it probable, though. I think Ohio State has a chance to be one of the four best teams at the end of the season, but I don’t think they’ll get there without at least one loss. Right now, there are too many questions. They’re rebuilding an offensive line, we haven’t seen Braxton Miller throwing the ball and the most reliable players on the ground (Hyde) and through the air (Brown) are gone. What are the odds of all of those issues being sorted out successfully? 

Eric Seger: In short — yes. Ohio State has plenty of talent on offense surrounding two-time Big Ten MVP Braxton Miller, and a revamped defense that appears to be rejuvenated in camp after the additions of Larry Johnson and Chris Ash. With all that talent, saying it can be one of the four best teams at season’s end is perfectly possible. But when you look at its schedule, Ohio State has no easy road to go undefeated in the regular season, much like it did the past two years. The big one is obviously Nov. 8 against Michigan State and the rivalry game against Michigan is never easy, but don’t sleep on Navy. With a stud quarterback for it’s triple option offense in Keenan Reynolds, if Ohio State doesn’t play assignment football it could easily find itself 0-1 as it heads home for its matchup with Virginia Tech. And I just don’t think voters will be impressed with a one-loss Big Ten team enough to invite them to the College Football Playoff.

Jeff Svoboda: It’s definitely possible. Is it probable? I don’t know. I can see why people like Ohio State – there’s plenty of talent there, starting with Braxton Miller, and I think the defense does take a big step forward. But it’s also a very young team – there aren’t a ton of seniors on the squad – and that tends to lead to inconsistency. There are also some dangerous trap games on the schedule, and that Kenny Guiton security blanket is gone, too, so you’re one missed block away from a totally inexperienced quarterback being in the game. But the Buckeyes will have more talent than everyone on the schedule, I believe, so they have as good a chance as anyone to make it into the final four.

Compare Urban Meyer in 2012 to Urban Meyer in 2014. How’s he different, if any?

RG: Urban Meyer wasn’t working in Cecil County, Md., like I was in 2012, nor was he coaching the mighty Perryville Panthers, so it’s hard for me to say for sure because I wasn’t really around him or his program two years ago. 

ES: Be it only my second year on the beat, I don’t think I can fairly answer this question because I was just a student during Meyer’s first season in Columbus. But I’ll try just for fun. It appears as if Meyer is as consistent now as he was in 2012 when it comes to solidifying the culture of his program and keeping his coaching staff intact in order to ensure uniformity. I truly believe Meyer is so locked into football that he doesn’t know what is happening outside it from the time fall camp starts until the season ends, which is a good thing for Ohio State. Much like he did with Storm Klein, Meyer allowed Tracy Sprinkle back on the team after legal charges were dropped, so from that side of things I would say he hasn’t changed. About the only thing that’s different in 2014 than 2012 is he’s had two losses weigh on his mind for eight months heading into the season instead of turning in his analyst hat for a headset.

BA:  I think they're relatively the same person, but I don't think 2013 Urban Meyer was. I think that the pressure got to 2013 Urban Meyer and he'd admit as much. That infamous pizza picture of Meyer after the Big Ten title game? That was a microcosm of sorts for the 2013 season. I think both 2012 and 2014 Urban Meyer have a better perspective than 2008-2010 Urban Meyer did. Winning isn't life or death – just a close second – but that could all change with a couple of wins – or losses – this season. We shall see.

JS: I think he’s more comfortable than anything else. When he arrived in 2012, he took over a team that clearly needed some direction, and he went about installing it. I think he had to be a bit of a hard ass at the start just to establish exactly the culture he wanted. Now, I think he and his staff are more settled. I don’t think he and Mickey Marotti are any less demanding, but the expectation level has been set and the players know what to expect. He’s recruited well. He’s installed a lot of the off-the-field stuff he wants. I think he’s happy where he is.

Ohio State brought in co-defensive coordinator and safeties coach Chris Ash to help cure a pass defense that was one of the nation’s worst in 2013. The Buckeyes say they feel fast and free in what’s expected to be a more aggressive scheme. Will the defensive overhaul work?

JS: It’ll work handsomely, in my opinion. I think there’s a good chance the Buckeyes jump from 110th in the nation in pass defense into the top 30, and that’s not just because Navy is on the schedule. The Buckeyes have the talented athletes to really take to Ash’s scheme, and I think communication is better and things are much clearer when it comes to pass defense. What does  worry me, though, is the early going. In this new press quarters coverage, one mistake means six points on the board, and I think will be an adjustment period. But in the end, things will be much better than last year. Heck, they almost have to be.

Ohio State secondary coach Chris Ash

ES: In order to properly answer this question, I think it is necessary to establish what the word ‘overhaul’ means. The term is one that’s been used by Urban Meyer, Chris Ash and plenty of people within the program, but I think it’s going to take more than one year for Ash and Meyer to even consider it being complete. I have no doubt in my mind the passing defense will be better in 2014 than it was in 2013, because after all how could it get much worse? The players are extremely confident in the new scheme and I think press coverage coupled with the stud defensive line is going to cause problems for opposing quarterbacks. I don’t really think Ohio State is going to be tested through the air until late October, though, when it visits Penn State. Christian Hackenberg has a big arm, and while the Nittany Lions are short on scholarships, James Franklin appears to know what he’s doing. Plus, playing at night in State College, Pa., is no easy task. So I think the overhaul will work to an extent, but Ohio State is as least another season from even considering itself in the same breath as what Michigan State was last year.

BA: Yes, simply because there's now one voice controlling the OSU defense. The past two years, I think that "co-coordinator" actually meant something, with Luke Fickell in charge of the front seven and Everrett Withers in charge of the secondary. Clearly there was a disconnect, because talent hasn't been the issue for the Buckeyes defense for the past two years. I'd be shocked if the defense isn't improved – can it really get any worse? – but don't see Ohio State making the jump to one of the top units in the nation, at least not yet.

RG: I realize this isn’t saying much, but the pass defense will be better. Part of that may have happened without the addition of Ash, as I think people forget how much losing Christian Bryant hurt because of, well, who replaced him. But the cornerbacks seem excited about playing a more physical style of defense, and I think that will translate to on-field success. It’s important to remember that opponents will continue to throw more than they run because of how good the OSU run defense will be, but I’m betting on a 50-yard improvement in average passing yards allowed, which would put them in the top 30 or so of FBS teams based on last year’s numbers. 

After shoulder surgery in February and missing spring ball, Braxton Miller’s been fairly limited in throwing the football during fall camp. The coaching staff insists it’s part of a plan to ease him back into the flow of things. You buy that?  

RG: I think they really believe he’ll be fine by the first game, so I buy their honesty, I guess. I don’t believe it’s a non-issue, though. When your star quarterback is being eased back into throwing in mid-August and his backups have a combined 3 career passing yards, I don’t think that’s something to be taken lightly. I don’t think enough has been made of the fact that if he suffers even the slightest setback, Ohio State will be trotting out either Cardale Jones or J.T. Barrett to face a solid Navy team. Not quite the same as Kenny Guiton vs. 1-11 Cal. 

ES: Absolutely. Miller had surgery six months ago, and while I am not a doctor by any stretch of the imagination, I see no reason for him to be 100 percent and full-go against Navy. He is entering his third year as a starter in major college football and has a pair of unproven backups behind him who need all the reps they can get. Miller very well could have some rust to his game once the regular season gets going, but I think he’ll be just fine. He’s one of the most dynamic players in the nation and although Tom Herman seems a bit concerned he hasn’t had as much time with his quarterback as he wants, I see no reason for them to rush him back and risk any setbacks.

BA: Nope. I'm actually very concerned about Miller at this point, because I don't think he's as far ahead as the coaches thought he'd be. The Buckeyes held a scrimmage last weekend and Miller wasn't even a part of it, which makes you wonder what – if anything – they could have even gotten out of it. For all intents and purposes, Miller is the Ohio State offense. The longer he's out of the lineup, the longer it's going to take for the Buckeyes to gel at the start of this season. With Virginia Tech looming in Week 2, that'd worry me.

JS: I do buy that, though it worries me. Braxton Miller is a quarterback who is still getting better, so taking away not only all of his spring reps but many more in the early days of camp is not an ideal situation. Kenny Guiton was great at mental reps, but I think that might be more the exception than the rule. Most people, I think, learn by doing, so the time Miller has missed is a worry. But I do think he’ll be healthy and ready to go for the Navy game.

Meyer suggested that this year’s defensive line might be cut from the same cloth as the one from his 2006 Florida Gators. Do you agree? Or is that an overstatement?

ES: It’s hard to disagree with Meyer on this one. Just look at the names — Michael Bennett, Noah Spence, Adolphus Washington, Joey Bosa, Tommy Schutt — all players who have shown they can rush the passer and stop the run, or have the potential to do so. Ray McDonald, Jarvis Moss, Derrick Harvey and company all had similar body types to what the Buckeyes have this year on the line and we all know how that turned out. Plus, I think it is a shame to forget what Larry Johnson brings to the table in terms of developing talent. Meyer knows the value of winning the battle up front, and I agree with him in saying Ohio State’s defensive line has the potential to be as good as the one he had in 2006.

JS: The funny thing is if you go back and look, it’s not like that Florida D-line was the best ever. Sure, Derrick Harvey and Jarvis Moss were very good, but it’s not like either finished with 15 sacks that year (Harvey had 11, Moss had 7.5). And Harvey had eight NFL sacks and Moss six and both are out of the league, so it’s not like these were J.J. Watt-level players. They just happened to have a very good night against a team that wasn’t mentally there (and an offensive line that struggled with line calls all night). ANYWAY, that’s a roundabout way of saying yes, I think the Buckeyes can be that good. They have four above-average players starting – Joey Bosa could be the No. 1 pick next year, Noah Spence is pretty terrifying one-on-one on the other side, Michael Bennett has great quickness for his size, and Adolphus Washington really could be in for a Bennett-esque breakout after being banged up last year. I think the depth is pretty good, too. These guys are legit.

BA: I actually think it has the chance to be better. Across the front-four, you have four players with the talent to be All-Americans, including three who are arguably already at that level. Enjoy Joey Bosa while he's here, because it's not going to be for long, and when all is said and done, I think he could be one of the best Buckeyes defensive linemen of all time. The key is Adolphus Washington, who has been bounced around the lineup throughout his time in Columbus. If he can put it together and stay healthy for an entire year, this line will truly be something special.

RG: It’s an overstatement (Meyer has a habit of making those, like the time he called freaking Jimmy Garoppolo one of the best QBs he’s ever seen), but I would take the 2014 Ohio State defensive line over the 2006 Florida defensive line. That’s a good start to what should be an improved defense. I can’t say the same about the back seven until they actually show it on the field. 

Last year, Urban Meyer called Dontre Wilson a “novelty” and “a hood ornament.” What will he mean to the Buckeyes this year?

BA:  Outside of Miller, I think he'll be the Buckeyes' top weapon on offense. Ohio State clearly made a concerted effort to get the ball into Wilson's hands in the spring and that should only carry over into the fall. I don't expect him to be "Percy Harvin" per se, but I don't think that a Harvin Lite season is out of the question.

JS: I think he can be a stud – or he could lose time to Jalin Marshall, a name on everybody’s list this fall. Wilson looked great in the spring in the “H” role, using his quickness to break big plays when matched up against linebackers. He’s added size this year, too, and looks the part of a guy ready for a breakout. But Marshall could be just as good – remember, he was a five-star guy coming in. What happens at that spot will be pretty intriguing, but I expect plenty of production.

RG: I’ve gone back and forth on Wilson several times, from thinking he’ll be the savior of the offense to having Russell Shepard flashbacks as far as hype-to-production ratios go. I still don’t think he’ll quite be there this year, but his numbers will be better than last fall. To quantify it, I’ll say he’ll be good for at least twice the amount of touchdowns he scored last year (three) but won’t get to double digits. 

ES: I think Wilson is primed for a big time year as far as production goes in 2014. As an 18-year-old freshman, the only thing I really saw from him was a quick first step and soft hands. He said he at times felt like a decoy in the offense last year but put on in excess of 20 pounds so he could contribute on offense as more than just a pass catcher. He better be ready to stave off some stiff competition to get offensive touches, though, because Meyer has raved about Curtis Samuel, Jalin Marshall and others.

Ezekiel Elliott is projected to be the guy that replaces Carlos Hyde. Those are awfully big shoes to fill. Can he do it as just a sophomore?

BA: No, but he's not the same type of running back. He'll have help and I expect Curtis Samuel, Rod Smith and Bri'onte Dunn to add extra dynamics to the OSU run game. I think Elliott is probably the best blend of everything the OSU running backs have to offer, but you're right, Hyde's shoes are awfully big – and probably too big – to fill with just one season.

RG: Ezekiel Elliott will give Meyer some solid production at running back, and he’ll do great things for Ohio State at some point in his career. However, I need to see it before I believe he’s a guy Ohio State can turn to and say, ‘Go win us the game’ like they did with Hyde in games like Northwestern last year.

Ezekiel Elliott is poised to take over for Carlos Hyde at running back.

JS: That’s a good question, and I’m going to say no. Which is not so much a knock on Elliott as it is just a compliment to Hyde. I mean, Hyde was a stud last year. He made that offense go. Elliott is a heck of a combination of speed, power and want-to, but he is just a sophomore, as the question points out. He could have a very good year and still not do what Carlos Hyde did last year. Add in the people behind him – Rod Smith won’t go quietly, and Curtis Samuel has to get some carries – and the young O-line and I just don’t think the Buckeyes depend on the power run game and thus a feature back like they did last year.

ES: Doubtful. Ohio State not only lost the battering ram that is Carlos Hyde, but the four offensive linemen who helped forge the gaping holes he ran through. That became their identity in 2013 — ground and pound with a splash of Braxton Miller through the air to keep defenses honest. Elliott is really, really talented, but to ask him to even do half of what Hyde did is a bit suspect. If he can stay healthy and get stronger and hungrier like Hyde did his final year at Ohio State, I could see it. But as a sophomore? No.

This is a do-or-die season for Curtis Grant, but he’s in dogfight of a position battle with freshman Raekwon McMillan? Who gets the starting job at middle linebacker?

BA: Grant will, because he's the senior and until I see evidence that shows otherwise, Meyer has shown preference to seniors since arriving at Ohio State. Now, I do think that McMillan will see significant playing time and the two could border on 50-50 when it comes to reps, but I think that Grant making a jump as a senior is just as likely as McMillan immediately living up to his 5-star hype.

ES: Grant, at least to start the season. I’m in love with McMillan’s game and he’s got the body to be a force in the Big Ten for years to come. But even though he enrolled early and has been seen running with the second string defense in camp, I find it really hard to believe he will start right away. Meyer always says he doesn’t recruit freshmen to redshirt and I don’t think McMillan will be any different. But I look for him to get his start on special teams and if Grant gets hurt again or is not producing, then it will be McMillan’s time.

JS: I think Grant gets it. They still love McMillan, but I think every coach wants to see his seniors excel, and it seems this fall like Grant has taken that step forward. And honestly, he wasn’t a bad player last year (especially against the run) until he got banged up, and the defense really fell off after that. I think Grant has some big games this year, especially against the Minnesotas and Michigan States of the world, but we still see some McMillan and he impresses for a young guy.

RG: I think Curtis Grant gets the nod against Navy, and I suspect he keeps it unless his fall is a disaster. I’ll hedge that, though, by saying that I still think McMillan will see at least some non-garbage time snaps at linebacker this year.

Ohio State loses four multi-year starters on an offensive line that was heralded by some as one of the team’s best ever. Ed Warinner’s one of the best in the business, but that’s a pretty tall order. Will they be OK?

RG: The offensive line won’t be as good as last year, but they’ll be fine. I think Pat Elflein coming on in the middle of The Game and playing well is a sign that these guys are more prepared than their inexperience would indicate. They have the potential to get embarrassed against a strong Virginia Tech defensive line in the second game of the season, but I won’t overreact to that. They’ll be solid by Nov. 8, and that’s what matters. 

ES: Ohio State’s offensive line last season was awesome. There’s no way around that. Will Ohio State’s offensive line be OK this season? Yes, I think just that — OK. Coach Warinner is terrific at what he does and is someone I think will probably be a head coach somewhere down the line. But I just don’t see them being in the same league as the unit last year. Those guys were solid — every, single, game. And losing four of them would be cause for some growing pains for any coach, I don’t care how good you are. Taylor Decker and Pat Elflein are really, really good players but the rest are relatively unknowns.

BA: Yeah, they'll be OK. Will they be as good as they were last year? Obviously not. But they don't need to be as good as they were last year, especially with the focal point of their offense changing. Ohio State seems to like the starters it has at most positions on the line, and for good reason. I really like Taylor Decker and think that when all is said and done, he could be one of the best Buckeye linemen in recent memory, but just remember not to hold this line to last year's standards. That's simply not fair.

JS: I’m just not sure on this one. There are pieces I like, for sure, but when you’re asking four guys with very little experience to take over, that’s an awfully tall order. So I’m not saying it’s going to be a disaster, but I do think there’s going to be a learning curve there, especially in pass protection. I’d like to see these guys play some more before I comment further, but I do expect there to be some bumps in the road.

What’s a trap game for the Buckeyes and why?

RG: Minnesota. I have to give credit to my editor Jeff Svoboda here because he has been saying this for some time, but I completely agree. If Ohio State beats Michigan State, the Buckeyes will (likely) be coming off a physical game against a great opponent and heading to play outdoors in Minnesota in mid-November. Even though I think Jerry Kill maybe gets more credit than he deserves as a head coach, his teams play hard and play physical. That combination is not something you want to see after a “circle the calendar” game.

ES: I’ve already said my piece on how serious of a threat Navy is to Ohio State’s bid for a third straight unbeaten regular season, so I’ll pick another trap game: Minnesota. I think this is going to be a trendy upset pick for a lot of people, mainly because it is likely to be a noon game after the big-time matchup against Michigan State in primetime one week earlier. It’s the only time this year Ohio State has to play back-to-back road games, and if the Buckeyes take care of business leading up to and against the Spartans they could be susceptible for a huge letdown against Goldy.

BA: Cincinnati. The Buckeyes always have a target on their back, but it will be even bigger in this game. Coming off a bye and looking ahead to Big Ten play, I think that focus could be an issue for Ohio State, not to mention that Cincinnati is a really talented team. I think Ohio State will win, but I'm not counting out the Bearcats just yet. That should be a fun one at the end of September.

JS: Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota. One week after playing perhaps the biggest game of the year at night at Michigan State, a beat-up Buckeye team must fly to take on another physical outfit on the road at Minnesota. Add in the potential for bad weather and the unfamiliar surroundings and this one worries me. If the Buckeyes aren’t ready to go from the opening kickoff, they could find themselves down against on the road against a team that plays a style that can really shorten a game. I know Minnesota doesn’t have OSU’s talent, but they have a good coach and this game is just at a bad time.

What's the game you’re most looking forward to covering and why?

ES: Michigan State. Potential top-five matchup that could be the de facto Big Ten East Championship Game, a November night on the gridiron and my first trip to East Lansing, Mich. Sign me up.

JS: If we’re talking simply about the importance of the game, I’ll say Michigan State. A night game, on the road, at a hostile environment, with revenge on the line – how could you not want to be there for that one? The stories will basically right themselves, and that’s a make-or-break game for both teams. If we’re talking about fun, though, I’ll say Navy. First of all, I enjoy Baltimore as a city. Secondly, it’ll be fun to see the brigade, and I’ve always loved service academy football. Third, it’s the opener. Hooray football!

Ohio State–Michigan State could be a top-five clash.

BA: Michigan State. I mean, if both teams live up to the hype, is that even a question? That will be the de-facto Big Ten East Championship Game and will have as much hype as any Ohio State game since 2006. East Lansing is a pretty underrated atmosphere due to the little man syndrome that the fan base deals with while playing the shadows of both Ohio State and Michigan, so I can only imagine what that place will be like for a night game. Even regardless of records, that should be a fun one.

RG: The answer to this will always be Ohio State-Michigan, and I must admit that I enjoy this rivalry more than I thought I would. But since that’s a default response, I’m going to give a more personal answer and say Navy. On top of the fact that I worked in Maryland for two years and have some friends in the Baltimore area, four of my high school friends went to the Naval Academy. I couldn’t be happier to go back to the Old Line State twice this season. Baltimore is an awesome city, the M&T Bank Stadium press box is nice and it should be a fun few days for Buckeye fans on a trip they rarely get to make. If you can go to this game, please do.

Pick one and briefly explain: Playing in the Big Ten will help/hurt Ohio State’s chances to secure a berth in the national championship next season?

JS: I don’t think the Big Ten will drag Ohio State down at all, if that’s what you’re asking. I think this has the potential to be a very solid Big Ten. You have two teams who could be nationally elite in Ohio State and Michigan State, a Michigan team that could have a resurgence if it finds some offensive linemen, a Maryland team that is very experienced and has some great offensive weapons, a veteran Iowa team, and two squads in Wisconsin and Nebraska who could be 10-win squads as well. (This isn’t even including feisty Minnesota and Indiana squads, or a Northwestern team that I might’ve picked big things for were it not for the fact its two best offensive players just disappeared.) To people who pay attention, I think this year will be seen as a step up for the league and therefore its champion will have a good chance to get into the College Football Playoff depending how things shake out.

BA: Help – because it gives the Buckeyes the best shot at going undefeated. And if they do that, they're in the playoff. And from there, anything can happen.

RG: When it comes down to it, I think it helps. I wouldn’t say that for any other team in the Big Ten, though. Growing up in SEC country, I can tell you that despite 2006 and 2007 most people don’t view Ohio State as the stereotypical Big Ten team. I think the Buckeyes are the only team in the conference that could get into the playoff with a loss, and let’s face it – it’s easier to win in the Big Ten than the SEC. Even if the SEC gets two spots in the playoff – and I’m not as sold on that as others – it’s harder to be one of those two teams in the SEC than it is to go 11-1 or 12-0 in the Big Ten. 

ES: Help. Plenty of people are likely to say the opposite, but I think the Big Ten is going to surprise some. Michigan ‘should’ be better, as should Minnesota and Nebraska and the conference has two heavyweights with Ohio State and Michigan. You run the table and win the conference? It’ll be tough to keep you out of the playoff.

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BeijingBucks's picture

interesting.  you can really tell the slant of each of their respective beats.  Not bad perspectives... but somehow I prefer a certain amount of 'honesty' here at 11W.  The writers here are enthusiastic without being too homeristic and are able to dig deeper than just the generic media hype perspective found elsewhere.

thanks for the perspectives boys... I'm fine right here

 

 

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ShoeHolder's picture

To me, the most surprising response to any of these questions is that Minnesota is the most likely "trap" game on the schedule. It makes sense as the guys above pointed out though - coming on the heels of a huge game against Sparty, there could be a let down. Couple that with the lack of experience and it could be a problem. However, I trust that the coaches will have the team motivated regardless of the opponent. 

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burnest1420's picture

I love this sight read it religiously skull session is my favorite. Does anyone know where I can find video/audio interviews with players and coaches ? I know about buck vision and buck fans only but it seems like only Urban press is out there right now. I'm feenin for more!!

UrbanPirate's picture

Youtube bro.

Just... Go Bucks.

    

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buckeyepastor's picture

I think Meyer 2014 is even better than Meyer 2012-2013 because of the present staff.   I think that Meyer worked well with his coaches the past two years and the results (save the last two games) speak to that.  But I had the sense that from the get-go he liked the staff he had but wasn't in love with it.   I think that Vrabel and Withers are very good coaches, but I think Johnson and Ash will make the staff even better.   

With the departure of Philly and a crop of relative newbies stepping up at receiver, I hope that Miller meshes well with them.  Would really feel better seeing him get reps in August instead of resting that shoulder.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

VintonCountyBuck's picture

Thank you for reminding why I do not read the Ozone.

Our offensive line will be just fine.  They were not solid in every game last season (Khalil Mack, anyone?). But as the season wore on they grew into a very good, record-setting unit.  This team will be just fine.  They may not look that impressive the first week, but should still be able to out physical Navy up front.  We will see the biggest improvement in week two. And by the time the B1G season begins, these guys will be ready to dominate.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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Hovenaut's picture

I like the detailed, and varied, perspectives. Eleven Warriors will always remain home base, but it's good to read/hear from some of the other eyes and ears covering the good guys. 

The comments regarding the offensive line and Braxton are keeping my thoughts stirring, along with the opinions regarding games of focus not involving Michigan State or that other school up there. 

I think it's fair to say most reasonable Buckeye fans knew 2014 would be a transition year, but not necessarily the make or break year for UFM. Pieces are in place to win now and later, imho. 

Still going to take things one game at a time, and hoping that whatever uncertainties/question marks are cleared/resolved by season's end. 

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

My biggest concern would have to be Braxton not getting the reps with the team, especially in scrimmages and the like. Timing with receivers? He may be in the 'best shape of his life', but is his arm really healthy? Arm strength? Has he been throwing the ball a couple hundred times a day? How much can he improve throwing the ball without any real reps with the team. Running and athleticism not the issue. Passing the ball is the issue.

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OSUBias's picture

1,000 times this. Reading a defense and getting the timing of his throws down has always been one of Braxton's weaknesses. This isn't helping him at all; mental reps don't fix that. i think he will be very rusty early on. Hopefully the WR's have so much separation it won't matter!

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Bamabucknut's picture

You said it all. You may see far more running than passing in the game from the Bucks.

BuckeyeMike74's picture

One positive about Braxton's lack of reps is that they are going to the backups -- neither of which is Kenny G.  That could help us down the road. 

FROMTHE18's picture

Should be an interesting year. You guys kind of touched on it but I think the biggest issue with this team is the back up QB position. Usually its something not many people think about until their starter goes down, but Kenny G showed us last year just how important having a good back up is. Cardale is a giant and JT came in with some hype (rated as the #1 Dual-Threat QB out of HS i believe), but from what Ive seen from Cardale, we need to worry if/when he comes onto the field and I wasn't that amazed by JT in the spring game. Now, they could both prove to be very capable players, but Ill believe that when I see it. Hope Braxton is 100% go for Navy, as this is going to be really tough game even with Braxton.  

Phillips.449's picture

I can't wait to stop reading about what may happen this year and start watching it while it happens!  Bring the season, bring the juice!

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

If Braxton can't go I actually think we will be okay early in the schedule. Sure Navy and VT become twice as formidable. As long as Cardale can complete 8 yd outs we can get the ball to playmakers to break plays. Let's not forget, Cardale seems like a capable runner - maybe similar to Tebow, but not in Brax's league. The problem that arises is cohesion or lack thereof if he doesn't start week one and the fact that Brax needed all these reps to improve timing and touch.

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OSUBias's picture

Let's try to respect the opinions of the other beat guys, even if you don't happen to agree with them. Defaulting to "generic media slant" is beneath the quality of this site. Let's not forget the staff uses personal relationships to get these guys to answer questions, and they likely read the articles. Reflects poorly on them if we trash their guests. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Do you see any irony in worrying that these beat writers will get hurt feelings after reading something that was written about them?  

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OSUBias's picture

I might see more if a previous member of the staff (Elika) hadn't written a post or forum topic specifically asking the community to do what I just asked. Granted the context isn't the same and the comments weren't as bad but I felt it needed to be said. You felt I needed to appreciate irony, so you said your piece. 

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BeijingBucks's picture

well each are entitled to their opinions of course.  But let me break down a little content grammar for you before you jump to conclusions since it appeared to be my comment you are harping on.

The first part of the comment the subject was clearly the other beat writers where I said they had 'interesting perspectives'.  to my knowledge that is not 'insulting'

The last sentence the subject was clearly the 11W writers where I was complementing them on not being homers and just following media hype. I can see how it would be possible to try to link that statement to the other writers... but, nah.  that wasn't it.  I never trash writers on here, even the ones I don't like.  it's hard work.

Just felt like saying that before you break out the pitchforks and torches and expect a flame war.  chill honey bunny.

 

 

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OSUBias's picture

Yes, that's how I read it. Because that's how it reads. But it doesn't matter, it wasn't aimed only at you, just a general sentiment I thought should be read.

And I am quite chill, have zero pitchforks, and have many other things to do than a flame war. Good day. 

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BeijingBucks's picture

wow.  you have a lot of internet righteous anger...

Dude, like everyone's entitled to their own opinions man

 

 

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OSUBias's picture

You got me. Just waiting to spill my righteous internet anger at you. 

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Habu71's picture

Always interesting to hear a different perspective/voice from time to time. Something that I believe has been slightly overlooked however, is the improvement we'll see this year from the staff's management of talent. For whatever reason last season there seemed to be a hesitance to play younger players. We all had moments of "where's so and so?" or "why won't they put this guy in?" All signs point to that changing some this season, and I expect it to result in improved performance across the board. 

bleedscarlet's picture

I think they're being a little pessimistic on OSU's playoff chances, there aren't 4 teams out there with more talent and the schedule is respectable but no gauntlet. There are holes to fill, but this is college... who doesn't have holes.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, that's what I was thinking: every other national championship contender will have moderate to major weaknesses, too (maybe except for FSU if they maintain their form from last season).

I am confident that Ohio State's OL will be better than "okay." If EzE is going to be a stud RB, he'll be a stud right away - he's not playing OT.   

This team is inexperienced and has lots of question marks, but usually when your team has the best talent and coaching in a conference, your odds are pretty good on winning that conference, if decent fortune allows.

ibuck's picture

when your team has the best talent and coaching in a conference, your odds are pretty good on winning that conference, if decent fortune allows.

I would agree that this is normally the case. But I am reluctant to be all in for OSU because I have too often witnessed talented Buckeye squads perform at less than their talent level. And I'm not entirely convinced that OSU has the best coaching talent. I suspect that MSU gets more buy-in and better maximization of the talent their athletes—including mental and emotional performance—at least in conference games. And Meyer seems less driven than when he was at Florida. That may be a good thing, or not. But he also hasn't had a full share of scholarships yet. Nor am I convinced that Herman is a football genius, despite his Mensa membership. We don't know who is ultimately calling plays for the Buckeye offense, like whether Meyer is overruling Herman's calls so that the most talented player (Braxton) carries the ball rather than other options.  And we have not yet had the opportunity to see what the 2 new coaches on defense can produce. So while it's a little unfair to judge them against a well-established system at MSU, this is what OSU's up against. IMO, it's more reasonable to wait and see how the players and coaches perform this year. Sure, we hope they'll go undefeated and make the playoff, but they have to gel and show us they are more about heart and character than hope.

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

buckeyes763's picture

My thoughts exactly, they acted like it's a rebuilding year. Ohio State doesn't rebuild it reloads and I think the last decade has proven that.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I'm fine with being the underdog. I also think the Buckeyes will surprise a lot of people. Just because they're young does not mean they're terrible.

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UrbanPirate's picture

I'm so ready.

Just... Go Bucks.

    

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DC-town's picture

Their views are refreshing as they're not the same 'osu is soooo good' view, they raise legit questions about what we lost last yr and the challenges we have this year, but isn't I realistically optimistic.

Great read, thanks-

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tOSUperiour's picture

I might have missed it in the everyone's previous comments, but just the picture in the article heading of Dontre gets  me excited. Very easy to tell that he's put on mass this offseason. Impressive.  Should make him a legitimate threat every time he touches the ball and more suited for that "Percy Harvin" role. Will be interesting to see how good his hands are out there also. I think it's a universal thought that he didn't get as many touches as some would have liked.

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Ahh Saturday's picture

I still think it's very unlikely that two SEC teams get into the playoff, but the most likely path I see involves the B1G and the Pac 12.  First, Oregon beats MSU easily establishing the weak B1G narrative from the start of the season. MSU goes on to beat OSU and win the B1G, but the B1G is weak is already beaten into everyone's head. Meanwhile in the Pac, Oregon or Stanford, it doesn't matter which, goes on to the Pac 12 championship game and loses to a two-loss champ from the south (USC or UCLA could both fill this role).  A two-loss Pac champ wouldn't be too hard to pass over, and you can't exactly take a one-loss runner-up ahead of the champ either.  Finally, in the SEC west if any of Alabama, LSU, or Auburn  finish with only one loss, and that loss is on the road to the eventual SEC champ, both the champ and a one-loss SEC team look like easy picks along with ACC champ and Big 12 champ.

ibuck's picture

Without endorsing your scenario, it is POSSIBLE that this could happen. But the selection committee's criteria is CONFERENCE championships and strength of schedule. In your scenario, there would be major blowback from the rest of the country if a team is selected without even winning it's conference division, and considering the SEC's weak OOC schedules.

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

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Shangheyed's picture

Flip it... Sparty beats the Ducks away... that changes everything, Buckeyes beat 'em a few yrs back and MSU has been stellar defensively they could put a signature win together...Its not a gimme game for the Ducks, Tressel ball will keep it close.

Strength of schedule will be enhanced playing Rutgers and/or Maryland, beats MAC teams for Strength of Schedule Ws add more weight there...

More seasoned QBs... that makes a huge difference having many teams with multi-yr starters at the Helm.

Some of the Nations Best RBs coming back at MSU, Wisky, Minn and NEB...

Coaching changes to address game management issues at OSU, scUM, and PSU change somehow seems to be an improvement on recruiting TBD on how that impacts on the field but I believe it will carry over to the games.

I see a stronger B1G.

Son of Sevenless's picture

Buckeye Sports Bulletin is an excellent publication for people that want detailed articles and stats, especially the issues that are released weekly during the season.

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Eph97's picture

Navy is notorious for causing injuries with its cut blocks. Coupled with the rarely seen triple option, I don't see why this game was scheduled. The risks are plenty and the rewards are few.

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Shangheyed's picture

Tress was a BIGTIME supporter of the troops, I would imagine this game has his stamp of approval.  I am happy to play Navy, it is an honor.

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BlockO's picture

I EXPECT us to not only make the playoffs but for us to win the whole damn thing. This year has a National Title feel to it and I am going risk what little credibility I have to make that prediction. We were the first team to go 14 and 0 in a season, we will be the first to win 15 games in one season. 15-0 undefeated record. Braxton will not win the heisman but will be improved from a year ago, and our defense will be top 10.

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Johnnycake's picture

Why was Axelrod included in this?That guy is an absolute asshat.

klm42005's picture

Although I have always been a fan of Dantonio and company, we act like they are the end all of coaching....does any remember the 2012  7-6 season?  They were expected to do such great things that season also.  And to say that UM is not an excellent coach is crazy.  Of course our own 2012 season playing with the same roster as 2011 must have just been a lucky year?  To take credit away from what the coaching staff has done is just plain crazy.  I am all for MSU's continued success (against all but my Buckeyes) but let us please get some perscpective.   Sounds like the MSU boards sounding like they have owned the big ten for the last decade

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and BlockO....I love your thinking.   I am feeling some good things myself for this team.

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Shangheyed's picture

I think the B1G will be a stronger conference this year, people will give MSU more respect in the Polls and should be as strong as last year returning QB and RB that were pretty darn good throughout.... In fact if they beat Oregon away they will most likely jump the Buckeyes in the rankings...PSU gets better (more seasoned top QB, and new somethin to prove culture~issue is WR can they get the same production out of their recruits the added experience at QB will help there)... Indiana (senior Qb of an insane Offense and IU has been getting better recruits the last two yrs on defense), Iowa (great coach and will compete with Wisky for the Best OL in the B1G), Ill(can they get worse), Nebraska (great RB and top ten draft pick @ DE), and Wisky will be improved as well(another year in the system for coach, great RB, strong Badger OL will compete for best Unit in the B1G).  ScUM will be better, most likely will have a running game(can't get worse), and were plagued by injuries at LB all returning (DC is the best coach at TSUN), new OC will help make improvements and most likely Gardner will be improved this year too it is his senior year after all).  Minn... who knows but a good coach and strong running game will make them a tough out for anyone.

Northwestern could see a drop off if there second half is indicative of what they will look like this year...

Purdue is the "WILD CARD"... Insert Joke here__________________________________

QBs are more experienced this year which makes all the difference, with improvements throughout both Divisions top to bottom with few exceptions.

Maryland and Rutgers will be better game than MAC schools weigh in favor of Polls improvements for W's there...

Injuries aside... IMO the B1G will help us.... if ESPiN doesn't cloud the picture too much.