#HotTake: It's Time for Ohio State to Leave the Big Ten and Join the SEC

By DJ Byrnes on June 20, 2014 at 1:35p

A result of steel sharpening steel.

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By and large, tradition in college football is dead. As recently as 2005, had I told you one day Ohio State's football team would play conference games against 1950's Powerhouse Nebraska and Never Powerhouses like Maryland and Rutgers, you would've spit in my heretical face.

And rightfully so.

The only tradition respected by the gatekeepers of college football is the Almighty Dollar. Not that there's anything intrinsically wrong with that. America built the most robust economy in world history on that very principle, after all.

But it helps explain, among other things, why Rutgers and Maryland — two fellas nobody can remember inviting  — are joining the conference on July 1st. It has little to do with tradition.

A mere 153 years ago, South Carolina raised its Stars and Bars against the Union. After the bloodiest conflict in American history, and after Ohio sent some of its best sons into the fray, the Union was still intact. 

It's time for the State of Ohio to teach the South another lesson, and ironically enough, it starts with secession.

For too long, the Big Ten has been satisfied with mediocrity on the football field. Ohio State must leave the B1G and knock down the door of the SEC in search of greener fields. "To beat a monster, you must become a monster," as the old saying goes.

People will wail about "other sports" and "academics" as if other sports could fill the Horseshoe or leaving the Big Ten means Ohio State must compromise its ever-rising academic standards.

The last hill for these critics of B1G secession on which to die is, "What about Michigan?"

To which I say, "Well, what about them?"

If they're talking about The Game, I'd point them to Florida's 2014 schedule; its regular season ends with Florida State. There's no reason why Ohio State couldn't come to a similar arrangement with Michigan. (Unless, of course, Michigan elders would want out of their annual date with Ohio State. If that's the case, I'd understand completely, but Ohio State would deserve a better rival.)

The SEC won seven straight national titles... in the 2000s, not the 1920s. They're the best football conference, and it takes steel to sharpen steel.

Where is the perennial steel in the Big Ten? Where is Ohio State's equal in the Big Ten since 2001? Why would the mediocre schools change now? They get the same slice of the revenue pie as Ohio State without the overhead.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dino and respect Michigan State. At the end of the day, however, a Rose Bowl win over a two-loss Stanford team is Sparty's greatest moment since beating No. 1 Ohio State in 1996 1998. Plus, it's not like Dino will be around forever.

Alabama's willingness to sell their soul to the Devil in exchange for football jewels? That's going to be around until the Sun explodes and graciously puts Humanity out of its misery.

Two middling Big 12 teams waltzed into the SEC and immediately started raising Hell. They haven't looked back. Say what you will about Texas A&M and Missouri (or 1860 South Carolina), but they ain't no Ohio State.

And think — just think — about Alabama or LSU forced to come to the Horseshoe in late November. The late fall/winter weather in Ohio (which to southerners is anything under 60 degrees) would be a devastating home-field advantage against people who think two inches of snow is a lot.

And where would you rather travel in October and November? West Lafayette or StarkVegas? East Lansing or Athens? Lincoln or Baton Rouge? (If current demographic trends are any indicator, it's obvious.)

The Big Ten was founded in 1896. Look around you real quick... is there anything from 1896? Unless you're embalmed and reading this from a coffin, it's doubtful.

Death is a fact of life, this much is known. If change wasn't an equally inevitable part of life, we'd still mesmerized by a fire's shadows on a cave's wall. 

With the Power Five putting the NCAA in review, it's time for Ohio State to do the same with the Big Ten. Ohio State is not Rutgers. They do not need the few extra million dollars ginned by the BTN compared to the SEC's budding network.

Ohio State, originally a humble land-grant university, has grown into a worldwide, multi-billion dollar powerhouse. They've done it by being on the forefront of innovation and always putting Ohio State's best interests above everything else.

It won't be popular with most of us smallfolk, but the courageous decisions that shape history rarely are. 

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Urban Nation Army's picture

 

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

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scottyp_330's picture

There's no chance if the Buckeyes being in the SEC but I think it's just a matter of time until a super conference is formed, which will consist of a fair share of SEC teams.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

If a superconference were to be created, it would most likely be regional. Therefore no current SEC teams would be in the same conference as Ohio State. This superconference that Ohio State were in would have Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, and most of the current B1G though. 

I've spent time in the South, I don't care what anybody says they don't have the passion for football that us Ohioans have. 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Someday D.J. you're going to wake up and realize you're actually a Mississippi State fan.

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ibuck's picture

Can we trade DJ to the SEC?

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

If we get to pick five bluechippers in return.

1967Buck's picture

Oh DJ, what have you said now. Geez, peace.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I feel really weird typing this, but I'm not doing anything without Michigan if I'm Ohio State.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Poison nuts's picture

Strange but totally true.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

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M Man's picture

...and I was going to say, that if OSU bolts, and joins the SEC, or the PAC-24, or the yet to be announced MegaVision Cable Conference, then I hope that Michigan stops everything in its tracks at our athletic department, and we petition to join the Ivy League.

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BroJim's picture

If up north joined the Ivy League I would burn my degree. 

I season my simple food with hunger

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New alum's picture

I have wondered for awhile if UM might take a path such as this during realignment. Kind of like the University of Chicago in the '40s, albeit less extreme. 

Whoa Nellie's picture

Petition all you like.  You'll be turned down.

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

jaxbuckeye's picture

Just when I think you couldn't say anything dumber, you say something like this... And TOTALLY redeem yourself!  That would be AWESOME!!!!! 

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BroJim's picture

 

I season my simple food with hunger

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Upvote for referencing the Riza, the Jizza and Old Dirty Bizza.

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808buckeye's picture

Spell check... Lol

seize the carpe

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MassiveAttack's picture

Get the money!  Dollar, dollar bill, y'all!

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Stinson's picture

Ain't gon' happen.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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Mortc15's picture

Why doesn't Ohio State just become Notre Dame and not be in a conference then and schedule solid teams from everywhere? It would improve their sports and give them all revenue instead of sharing. 

Buck-I4Life

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

How would it improve all sports? ND joined the Big East & later the ACC specifically because of the issues that being independent was causing for olympic sports.

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Mortc15's picture

Sorry for the lack of italics there. I, by no means, would want osu to do that, just saying that there are other ways to play elite teams without joining the villains of the south. 

Buck-I4Life

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Thanks for the clarification.

While I think the days of the "Independents" are pretty much over I should also point out that the SEC path to success is making sure that the elite teams don't play each other (or at least as little as possible).

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Making sure the elite teams don't play each other but still get credit for doing so because ... SEC!!!!!!! and Speed! and other words that make them amazing.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

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hit_the_couch's picture

When ND was in the Big East for everything but football, the football team mainly played Big East and 3 B1G teams. Now they are in the ACC for everything but football it's likely the same but swap Big East teams for ACC teams.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

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hetuck's picture

You're assuming a network would follow the lunacy of ESPN creating a Buckeye Network a la the Longhorn Network. Even with $25M a year for the Longhorn Network and a B12 share, that will still be less than OSU will make after the new TV contract kicks in. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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southbuc's picture

Nd is going to be forced to join a conference or left out in the NCAA secession/ realignment.  It's math. 

vitaminB's picture

 

What's the deal with guys from Ohio going down south to chase championships?  No way, DJ.  We just need to keep carpetbagging down south and get those recruits to follow us home.

 

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hit_the_couch's picture

And think — just think — about Alabama or LSU forced to come to the Horseshoe in late November.

Let LSU come back up here whether it's September or November. The last time they did I believe they ended the season as SEC champs with a loss to 4-6-1 Ohio State.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

lol that's the SEC that everybody around the country remembers and knows. Don't bring that SEC up to the Southerners though, they are going for their 80th straight NC. 

I've spent time in the South, I don't care what anybody says they don't have the passion for football that us Ohioans have. 

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Waltbuck's picture

How about instead of running off and joining them, how about we adapt, get better, and beat them.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Best. Comment. Period. No clue why this would get downvoted. Beating Clemson last year would have been a big stride.

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MikeNugents BigToe's picture

This sounds very familiar to a Pat Riley speech I just heard on the news.....

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

bnation's picture

Exactly.  We should expand to 24 teams and put a system of relegation in place.  If you're not in the top 12, you're not sharing the big money.

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Silver Bullet 10's picture

Southeastern Conference to Eastern Athletics Conference. EAC! EAC! EAC!

buckeyepastor's picture

Interesting theory.  I disagree with it whole-heartedly, but interesting.   For starters, DJ, did you mean to say that Nebraska was dominant in the 1990s?  Three national titles, plus a title game appearance in 2001.  I think you meant a decade ago, and not a lifetime ago.   Very disingenuous.   

I appreciate your frustration about Rutgers and Maryland.   I'm still bothered that we didn't bring in Missouri, which geographically, academically, and athletically is a much better "get" for the Big Ten.   Betting on East Coast people to boost college football revenue is a gamble.  It's just not a big thing out there.  Basketball - yeah.  Football, it's all about the NFL.   But I guess it's all about the markets.   

In terms of sharpening our skills on better competition, we've been feasting on average NW, Purdue, Indiana, and MInnesota teams for decades.   Some years, we've been a powerhouse program.  Other years, more average.   I don't know that playing in the SEC will make us better.  

I think it WILL cost us - in recruiting, in credibility and reputation as an academic institution - to align with and go against schools that do not operate with the same ethics as the Big Ten.    

The other big problem is the SE in SEC stands for "South Eastern."   As someone who lives in Nebraska and watched what their school went through when they went from a member of the Big 8 that was situated smack in the middle of the conference, to being a member of the Big 12, a conference that stretched from Texas to Nebraska but whose center of gravity was always in Texas, it would matter a lot that OSU would be a northern school in a southern-oriented conference.    

I think it's WAY premature to talk about Missouri and aTm as having "arrived" in the SEC.   Mizzou has had one really great season in the SEC, and aTm has had two.    It will be 2-3 years before we see what moving to the SEC will mean for their recruiting, their coaching staffs, their athletic departments, and how well they compete on the field.   

It's fair to be a bit reserved in giving credit to Michigan State.   I mean, it was one conference title win.   But it's one more than we have. It's easy to look at OSU on paper and say, "We're like men among boys in the B1G."  But until we demonstrate that when it matters most for a couple of years, it's sort of irrelevant.   Until we get a few conference title wins and some "final four" wins under our belts, I think we have a ways to go before we see ourselves as being too big and dominant for the B1G.   

 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Gametime's picture

Amen.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

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1967Buck's picture

You said a mouthful Pastor. Peace.

Go1Bucks's picture

Mizzou was not chosen due to their standing, or lack thereof, regarding academics and research, I believe I read somewhere. 

Go Bucks!

btalbert25's picture

I typically don't agree with or quite frankly like what DJ writes, but he's spot on here.  Nebraska and Penn State haven't been elite for 20 years.  That's an eternity in college sports.  I'm happy they were added to the B1G, but at the end of the day they really haven't raised the conference's standing.  The B1G is a shit show.  It's an absolute joke and it won't get better.  I disagree with a lot about the reasons why.  To me it's quite obvious, all the great coaching is in the SEC.  They hire the best head coaches and pay a ton for the best assistants.  The B1G programs go after junk.  He's a scumbag, but why oh why didn't Purdue or IU give Petrino a contract?  He would have come.  Tradition in sport has only mattered to 1 group all these years.  The fans.  The administrators sell it as something important and we eat that shit up. College sports, to the schools, have always been about money.  

We need to just admit it the SEC is the best conference by a mile.  Don't tell me all about demographics or oversigning because it's irrelevant, they are the best.  Sign me up.  It will absolutely help recruiting.  The best prospects want to play the best competition.  All these kids say it when they commit to SEC schools.  I'm committing to LSU because I want to play in the best conference in college football.  

I say good riddance to the B1G.  See how the ratings are when your cash cow leaves. We're going to greener pastures to play against the best competition in college football, and laughing all the way to the bank!

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New alum's picture

Oops, my iPhone is eternally frustrating. I was intending to reply to. Buckeyepastor

 

New alum's picture

When I think of college football in the 90s, I think of Florida State and Nebraska. Nebraska's dismantling of Florida in the de facto '95 NC game was about the most dominating performance I can remember.

BatonRougeBuck's picture

I have been saying this for a few years and have been regularly crucified. Some have said that I am an idiot to think that Ohio States only consideration for conference affiliation is football. I don't think that, but in this day and age it seems myopic to ignore the fact that college football plays a big role in bringing money into the university and a case can be made for Ohio State to seek greener pastures.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

But Membership in the BiG generates even more money for research than it does for sports.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

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NW Buckeye's picture

Correct.  And, actually the total research amount that comes in dwarfs all athletic revenue. 

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btalbert25's picture

That is correct, you know what else football brings though?  A chance for the university to wine and dine potential donors who are collectively worth billions.  That university was and is being built by those donors.  Football is an integral part of that.  So in a sense, football actually generates hundreds of millions, not just the little bit they get from TV revenue and ticket gate. 

 

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Iwearmocs's picture

I realize this is an opinion piece, and the purpose of it is to drive conversation, but its never going to happen, for reasons you mentioned in the article.  Money.  Ohio state football makes millions.  Ohio state research makes billions.  If we leave the big ten, we leave the CIC.  And that is where the real money is.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

So sick of the conference talk.  We've let ESPN shape the entire way that we think about college football.  If we're in it for the money, fine.  Let's take the blue bloods from across the entire nation and form a super conference.  But join the SEC?  HELL NO!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I disagree that ESPN has "brainwashed" college football fans. I remember even back in the early 2000's before the even Ohio State's 2002 NC that people all around me in Ohio Stadium were telling me you ALWAYS root for the B1G over other conferences. 

I've spent time in the South, I don't care what anybody says they don't have the passion for football that us Ohioans have. 

TMac's picture

NO, Just F*ing NO

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SilverBullet-98's picture

Well do you want join the ACC or SEC, supposing they wanted us Yankees?

Would be nice to not have to worry about ESPN and NCAA ever harassing us again.

 

"The Past Builds the Future"

BuckeyeNationforLife's picture

So if the SEC gets worse and another conference gets better, what should we do then?

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stechs02's picture

I just puked in my mouth a little...

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brylee's picture

I disagree here, not because of the b1g being weak, but because who cares now?  So long as you have UM, MSU, Wisc, Neb hanging around the top 20, OSU will have no problem being a top 4 (most years).

Ohio State doesn't need the B1G to prove itself, now that we have playoffs.  Be a top 4 team, and you're in the dance.  Couple years from now, it will be the top 8.

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brylee's picture

That and just because the b1g is on the downturn, doesn't mean they will forever suck.  It wasn't all that long ago, when the SEC was in the same position as the big 10...all they had was Alabama.

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BuckeyeJ's picture

In a way it is still Bama and a couple. The problem is pre-season rankings. And that problem is that Espn has to have the rankings in the sec to be high so that TV revenue will roll in. And lets be honest like Urban told the B1G coaches----get better in recruiting.

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btalbert25's picture

I don't think this could be further from the truth.  Sure each year the SEC has 2 or 3 elite teams, but they typically have another 3-5 that are just as good as what the rest of the country has to offer.  Hell last yer their 5th best team pretty much dominated Clemson, who beat us.  I honestly believe that A&M, South Carolina, Mizzou, Bama, and Auburn would have been near the top in any conference they played in last year.  Maybe not have won the conference, but would have been in the top 2.  

That's the difference between the SEC and everyone else, their middle is really damn good.  Sure they always have lousy teams at the bottom like UK or Miss St, but the middle of that conference is always really good.  It's also discouraging when you see a horrible program like UK outrecruit all but 2 B1G teams last year.  Now the bottom of that conference is getting stronger.  The B1G will never reverse this unless they make massive changes and it all starts with opening up the check book and hiring guys capable of coaching. 

Bucksfan's picture

William Tecumseh Sherman is rolling in his grave so fast that his coffin just caught on fire.

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phxbuck's picture

Actually Mr. Sherman would say, go burn down that championship game in Atlanta just like I did. 

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bedheadjc's picture

A new Sherman's March? Why not, not much happening in this 'burg.

Let's troll the shit out of the SEC. Just the announcement of us joining would have SECNation in apoplectic fits.

Everyone loves to hate the Buckeyes? Give them the ultimate bad guy. Give them all the Hall Salute. Go full Dark Side. Oversign. I want 38 player recruitment classes. Bagmen? The question actually should be "Paper or Plastic?" Facilities war? Someone tell Les we want a $250mil football complex. The Abercombie and Fitch Fieldhouse. The Shoe? Two more decks and bourbon on tap. TBDBITL travels in its own 747. Each player gets a Land Rover. Color Choices: Scarlet and Gray? No. GREEN, greenback green. Pay Meyer $10 mil a year. Just 'cause. Donate a church to every player's Daddy, and a house to his Momma. Leave laptops unattended in every room the players have access to. Have more placed randomly daily.

Or just join as ourselves and start stomping them.

Either way.

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buckeyedude's picture

I think we have a winner.

 

 

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ChimdiCheckyaselfbeforeyawreckyaself's picture

Boom!

A little is better than nada, sometimes you want the whole enchilada

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Damonbuckeye's picture

Love this article DJ!!! Big 10 schools suck and the SEC will continue it's dominance of NC's because they actually care about winning unlike most Big 10 schools who only care about lining their pockets..

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BierStube's picture

 

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

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Rogabone's picture

 

"Who is that madman?" the new arrival asked St. Peter.

"That's God," St. Peter replied. "But he thinks he's Woody Hayes."

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Unky Buck's picture

He said your hair looks stupid.

...

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AndyVance's picture

Yeah well, why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?!?

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phxbuck's picture

Amen! Count me in!

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The Butler's picture

 

I've trained Canaries in the sport of falconry.

 

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sivaDavis's picture

 

"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes

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cw823's picture

"Don't get me wrong, I love Dino and respect Michigan State. At the end of the day, however, a Rose Bowl win over a two-loss Stanford team is Sparty's greatest moment since beating No. 1 Ohio State in 1996. Plus, it's not like Dino will be around forever."

Care to re-read this statement and edit it accordingly?  I'm assuming you mean 1998, especially since OSU was never #1 in 1996.

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DJ Byrnes's picture

It has been strikethrough'd; thanks for the catch.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

OSUStu's picture

“I can tell you this...we at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC—in any way, shape or form.”

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

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brylee's picture

wait...you forgot toe cite burt...

c'mon man...give credit where credit is due  :)

 

 

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OSUStu's picture

Couldn't do it...felt like this:

 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

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TSparky's picture

Absolutely HELL NO

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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Vinginia_Buckeye's picture

I think the BIG is going to get to having  about 4 very good teams every year. Ohio state should stay, FOR NOW. If things do keep going south for the conference say 5 years from now? Then we leave this conference behind us but keep the games against MIchigan and Penn State on the slate. 

" I'm a Buckeye "

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Let's see... here are some of DJ's opinions:

- Does not like the bowl system and would rather have a 16-team playoff (I personally love the bowl games.. great travel experience)

- Wants to flat-out pay players ( personally think the answer lies in the middle somewhere, possibly an increased stipend)

- Does not care about maintaining traditional rivalries (hence his willingness to leave the B1G)

- does not like the spring game

Tell me, DJ, what is about college football that you do like? You obviously don't care as much about many of the things that make the college game great (traditional rivalries, bowl games, the many players that play for love of the game instead of a contract, kids choosing one school over another because of pride instead of bag men).  If you just like football, then by all means watch the NFL. Stop trying to change the sport I and so many others love, because many of us do love it deeply because of it's unique tradition and the way it connects the past with the present and brings generations together.

 

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woodcocklives@osu's picture

You nailed it.... Unfortunately, the way cfb is being marketed by both media interests and the large revenue producing schools (like OSU and the SEC), this ever increasingly myopic, dumbed down fan base becomes their gold standard consumer.  

And those interests can't get enough of this fan base's $... 

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btalbert25's picture

It's always always always been about the money.  Even back in the very beginning when the ivy league started playing the game in front of people.  The tradition is a bill of goods they sold to the fans to make them buy in and think the games meant something.  That doesn't mean people can't enjoy the skull session, jumping into a cesspool on campus, or tailgating.  It just means that none of that matters because at the end of the day you will still buy Ohio State gear and go to games.  Even more importantly, you'll still watch college football.  That's all that matters.  We all have great memories of going to the Shoe, and taking part in some of these great traditions, but remove any of them and we still watch and buy.  Would anyone REALLY care if we quit playing Purdue and Illinois?  The only game that truly matters is The Game and I have a pretty good belief that would get ironed out.  If not, replacing TTUN with Bama would be fine with me. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

Please be honest -- "What It Means To Be A Buckeye" (Tressel) wasn't a meaningful read, IYHO.

"Momma told me there would be days like this."

toad1204's picture

Two things... 

1.  This smells like an op ed piece that the WWL would publish to drive page views...  This worries me.

2.  The only way this happens (OSU leaves the B1G) is if a champions league style playing system is created for all the top tier CFB teams.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

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Whoa Nellie's picture

ESPN Headline:  Ohio State to SEC -- If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em!

SI Headline:  Buckeyes Join Fellow Cheaters in SEC

Columbus, OH Headlines:  Oh, Boy!  Delta Frequent Flier Miles!

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

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FitzBuck's picture

 

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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swainpm's picture

DJ my man you forgot your sarcasm dots. The Ohio State University is a BIG school, and to many of us it always should and will be. Tradition matters alot, it is one of the best parts of tOSU athletics, it makes Ohio State. The Big Ten Conference is part of that tradition & part of what makes tOSU great. Personally, I don't want to even think about a day when tOSU and the BIG 10 are not one and the same.

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Oyster's picture

See Earle?  Sarcasm Dots.  This fine contributor hasn't even been part of our community for a year yet and already knows about them. 

BucksFan2000's picture

There's more to life than just football.  Barely, but there is.  Many of our athletic programs would be taking a step back by joining the SEC.

Overall, I'm really sick of hearing about them.

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HilltopHustle's picture

We want to leave the Big Ten? What, are we Penn State fans now or something?

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cinserious's picture

There's no way in hell the SEC is going to allow a Northern team into the conference that has the potential to embarass them even worse than TAMU and Mizzu did to them!

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

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buckeyedude's picture

That was exactly my first thought. Wouldn't a majority of the school's presidents (in the SEC) have to approve? They would never allow OSU in. They also know where General Sherman comes from.

 

 

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

Bring some of that Lancaster, OH fire

UFM_Renewal

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1967Buck's picture

I am with you brother...

cinserious's picture

~They also know where General Sherman comes from.

And most of the other Union soldiers and generals who kicked SEC ass back in the 1800's. Its no wonder why South Carolinians hate Ohioans with such a passion.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

If I recall didn't FSU win the Title playing in a conference even weaker than the B1G?

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cinserious's picture

~If I recall didn't FSU win the Title playing in a conference even weaker than the B1G?

 Yeah, but I recall the ESPN commentariat/dickfaces proclaiming that Jimbo Fisher built FSU up as an SEC team with SEC-type players.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

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HYDEYOKIDS's picture

I think it's because they played Stanford football.

Hovenaut's picture

 

Hate Week runneth over

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Johnny_Buck71's picture

DJ meant to use sarcasm font right?

A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore. - Yogi Berra

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GabrielBuckeye's picture

Yulp. Sorry, you guys need to adapt, and quit hanging on to the crappy Big Ten. SEC is where every weekend is a big game, and like he said "steel sharpens steel'.

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CasualBystander's picture

DJ, please get a fucking life and stop writing pieces that make this website/fanbase look like a bunch of rabid hyenas.

Blowing up the entire history and tradition of the university to go join "the enemy" is an idea based in lunacy. While your love for OSU is admirable, your understanding of the college athletics landscape and how the Bucks fit into the greater picture is dangerous. Chickity check yoself before you wreck yoself, bro...

- All level-headed, tradition-appreciating, realistic, non-assholish members of society

"Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured." - Mark Twain

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Borrowed Time's picture

starts out with "please get a fucking life"

signs off as a "non-assholish member of society"

love it

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CasualBystander's picture

Lol, you're right, I should probably get a fucking life and stop wasting my time on DJ's assholish articles. 

Thanks for the idea, Love It

"Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured." - Mark Twain

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bedheadjc's picture

Bystander also has the most ironic signature I have yet seen on this site. Well done.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually DJ trolling us.

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cinserious's picture

I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually DJ trolling us.

Now THAT would be the sickest Matrix-type shit ever!

m

 

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

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Mr Soul's picture
What makes a man neutral?

 

Keep the change, ya filthy animal!

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Bamabucknut's picture

Money drives the Big 10.Money drives OSU decision making. As in "DUNE" where the spice must flow......so does the Big 10 and OSU money flow. The argument that would have a chance for OSU to consider changing must be about how much more   M O N  E Y the university would make. Currently....stadium ticket prices are soaring with no end in sight.The stadium is being filled.Moneys from the BTN continue to flow.

OSU in a mediocre conference playing weak teams is a non issue, unless it affects the money flow.So far fans are willing to accept playing and winning against mainly mediocre teams.

The only thing that will change the status quo. MONEY.

Not our football team playing better competition and becoming a better football team. MORE  MONEY.

 

 

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cinserious's picture

This is very true but there is a difference between the academic standards and ethical standards of B1G teams and SEC teams.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

BuckeyeGrownFloridaLiving's picture

If it would be possible to only move for football and to keep the rivalry with UM, I'd be on board. Too much tradition to lose that is valued in sports outside of football (I.e. basketball, wrestling, hockey).

SaltyD0gg's picture

Over Jim Delany's dead body. Unless... he becomes the boss of the SEC.

Not that it will matter when they all join D IV.

Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick

AndyVance's picture
This should have been the header image for this article: 
Brave and Bold's picture

Hell. Yes.

DJ, I'd follow you into battle any day. Let's bring Sherman's wrath down on those good ole boys down in dixie.

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Hovenaut's picture

"...is Sparty's greatest moment since beating No. 1 Ohio State in 1996..."

That was actually 1998.

1996 was f'n Tai Streets.

(I even drank too much then, but I still remember the 90's)
 

Hate Week runneth over

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woodcocklives@osu's picture

The shark has officially been jumped here.... Clicks rule.... Apparently.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

And where would you rather travel in October and November?...East Lansing or Athens?

 

Hell yeah!  OU is awesome for Halloween..

Oh..wait..

never mind.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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Jdadams01's picture

I'd have no problem with it. After all, I care only about OSU, not the Big Ten.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

This may rub ppl the wrong way but I wholeheartedly agree with DJ. To be considered the best you have to beat the best. Not to mention, OSU can't afford a loss in the Big ten and dont think it won't be a huge uphill climb to end up in the playoffs. I personally thought it was amazing to see the voting for this subjec the other day. It's time to evolve...look at TxA&M and Mizzu. You can't tell me anyone here gave them a snowballs chance in hell of doing what they've done so quickly like DJ pointed out (and if you do say you knew, plz pass on your medical dealer plz...I want some). Lastly, I like OSU's chances in that conference to be honest. The Big ten better step it up this year, otherwise I'd say DJ's points are pretty valid. No room for ambiguity if MSU and OSU or may be Wisconsin are the only ranked team at years end. And TTUN game will always be there....perhaps not always at years end but it will be on the schedule. As far as those new additions DJ spoke of, that proves there's no longer a BIG tradition anymore...IMHO.

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Some Buckeye fans talk a whole lot a shit about how great the football team is, forgetting the we havent won the Conference in the past 4 years. Pure shit talk.

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Bamabucknut's picture

You said it all.....we haven't won the Big 10 the past four years !!! Why would the OSU administrators ever want to kill this golden goose that has not beaten a high ranked team in years, or it's conference.

AndyVance's picture

The responses to this article amuse me. Members be like:

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TSparky's picture

If you skipped down to here before reading the article don't waste your time going back up to read it. Nothing but idiocy!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

I'm sitting in a building that was built prior to 1896 ... and I looked at it when prompted ....so I win.  

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MauricXe's picture

We could meet in the middle. schedule more SEC teams....even if that means vandy.

or perhaps the B1G and the SEC could issue a football challenge...in the middle of November lol. i would even settle for a conference clash in week 2 and week 3.

Such a contest would give the B1G an obvious strength of schedule boost and validate the conference. however, i dont see it happening. those two conferences are out to make the most money and i dont see promotion of your #1 enemy in the cards.

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lamplighter's picture

Problem is, only Bama and LSU would come north of the river

Poison nuts's picture

1. OSU should never do anything that Bert did first.

2. I disagree in every way with this article, but I still love that DJ isn't scared to write it. I remember originally loving this site for it's non milquetoast offerings & this article is a fine reminder of that.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

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joejoe04's picture

I see your point, but I have been thinking about something else for a while that I think would really increase the perception of our conference while also keeping Michigan with us and old rivalries intact. I think the B1G and the Big12 should combine and cut the fat:

BIG NORTH

1)Ohio State  2)Michigan  3)Michigan St  4)Wisconsin  5)Penn St  6)Nebraska 7)Take your pick from Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers(for the exposure to the area), etc

 

BIG SOUTH

1)Texas  2)Oklahoma  3)Oklahoma St  4)West Virginia  5)Texas Tech  6)Baylor  7)Kansas St

 

Would definitely make for a crazy conference schedule every year and I think would make a big enough splash to make people think twice about which is the best conference. It would also bring us closer in line with the SEC in terms of attendance. OSU, Michigan, and Penn St beat any SEC team in attendance, but when you start to get to the lesser teams of each conference, they definitely outpace us by quite a bit. Whether this is realistic or not, is another thing, but I think this would be awesome.

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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

So who will the losers be? I mean in every conference you need a few teams that suck. They can't all be winners. That's why we have Minnesota, IU and Illinois.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

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joejoe04's picture

Well, the last 3 teams in each division aren't exactly world beaters, but the point is to make our conference tougher and more respected, so yeah, it would definitely be a rougher path to the top. I get your point for sure, but I think we have too many Minnesotas as it stands.

airbuckeye's picture

Lets take a better look at this from another teams point of view thats be there and done just that. There was once a team called chicago universtiy that left football behind and now has far has i know have no Sports at all. So reall can't count them i guess so let look somewhere else i know Michigan they chose to leave in 1907 to 1917 and in that time never NEVER won a Championship. But the year before they left they had won The Big Ten championship and then in 1918 when they returned they again won Co championship in the Big Ten. Not only that but they also won the National Championship when they rejoined the Big Ten.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

There was once a team called chicago universtiy that left football behind and now has far has i know have no Sports at all.

The Chicago Maroons still exist, they just compete in Div III.

 

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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I would never want to be a member of the SEC for a few reasons. First off, It's called the Southeastern Conference. We are not In the Southeast. We would be flying to nearly all away games outside of Kentucky and Tennessee. I know we travel well in packs and do it from the back, but with in the long term I see travel support beginning to decline after a few years. Too expensive. The other reason I have for not wanting any part of the Southern mentality in sports, Is they are ultimately losers at heart. They have a complex. They treat college football as a civil war reenactment every Saturday down south. It's sad. They cant handle losing. Ask any mouth breather from the south if they remember when the SEC was completely average and sucked at times on the gridiron. "Yins urr juss jealous of our dominance".  People need to stop and think that this is a trend. Eventually this will die off just like most dynasties and trends do. The SEC is and always will be about Alabama and Florida.... that's it. When they got good is when they started to all run their programs without morals like Alabama..... in order to compete with Alabama. There is no integrity in the south. Its a bunch of fake people blessing each others hearts, and I'd like to think we are better than that. W's and L's aside. It's about what you stand for. If you want to be in the SEC, or you cannot get over the obvious media bias... then go become an SEC fan. Go support that and pound your chest. Pick a good team though. Go with Alabama or Florida, maybe LSU. Pick one of the hot teams right now. Go be a part of a win at all costs, screw ethics league. GO support the system that throws cash at young impressionable kids only to have a small percent of them actually make it to the next level, then the rest sent back where they came from to reproduce with the hopes that their kids can "make it" someday. Screw the education.

Sorry for ranting, I just hate how the south does things, and want Ohio State to be no part of it.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

All that you said was pretty good, except for one thing:

Florida is not good, in fact they suck pretty badly.

Brady Hoke ate my comment

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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Sorry, I had  Spurrier's Gators teams of the 90's in mind.... thinking historically. Yeah, Georgia State should be a member soon enough.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

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Crumb's picture

Drunk by 1:35 PM Good work DJ!!!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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HighBallAce's picture

I have said this very thing ever sense I first came on this site and every time I do, I get downvoted for it but if folks would just consider this very thing, they might have the same point of view.

1967Buck's picture

 Yes Highballace, I thought on it.... And Hell No. The B1G will rise again. Peace.

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lamplighter's picture

Not just no, hell no!

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I did this exact thing on my NCAA Football 14 dynasty after about 3 or 4 seasons.  I also took TTUN with me and sent Vandy and Mizzou to the B1G. 

Class of 2010.

Eph97's picture

I'd rather the top 20 historical powerhouses got together and established a European soccer style league where they all play each other. That would mean playing an elite team every week.

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DJ Byrnes's picture

I'd be down for this as well.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

joejoe04's picture

Yeah, I suggested that the B1G and the Big12 combine above, but I like your idea or something similar as well. It has always seemed odd to me that schools like Ohio State and Kent State are in the same league/division.

MikeTheBuckeye's picture

The Ohio State University built this conference. Why on Earth would we leave it? 

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Doc's picture

I haven't read most of the posts on this thread, but I agree whole heartedly.  DJ is on to something here.  The B1G sucks, it's time for OSU to give Jimmy D the bird and move to greener pastures.  If you want to be the best you ave to beat the best.  At this juncture we need a challenge and new environs to grow and become better.  One game a year, sorry AACC it ain't you, is not enough to sharpen our skills.  Move to the SEC and let the B1G wilt into history.

"Say my name."

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johnblairgobucks's picture

If the SEC is better than the Big 10, maybe we should try winning the Big 10 before we should worry about conquering the SEC.  It's been 2 head coaches and 4 years since we have won this thing, and some of you act as if we are the Miami Hurricanes of the 1990's dominating the Big East and winning National Championships.

Wisconsin and Michigan State have more reason to leave the Big 10, based on recent history, if you allow yourself to honest about the Buckeyes place in college football.

Of coarse the ones saying we should leave for the SEC are probably the same folks thinking we would beat Sparty and/ or Clemson last year by 21+

I think it is time to stop blaming the Big 10 for OSU's short comings nationally, and admitt that they just need to be better.  Being a member of the Big 10 isn't the reason we lost to Sparty and Clemson last year, they just had a better team.

Lol, what ever.

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1967Buck's picture

Agreed John, nicely written. Peace.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

BTW Doc, I didn't down vote your opinion, so sending an up vote to counter their down vote.

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AGAB's picture

The mere idea of OSU joining the Sec makes me sick. Leave the B1G and becoming an independent, yes. Leave the B1G for the intellectual and cultural wasteland of the Sec, totally a horrific thought !!

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808buckeye's picture

I just want sec teams to travel up north in November. Something I think that will never  happen but let me live.. Plus the BIG is starting to suck and become a second tier league to the PAC 12, SEC, and ACC.. Hopefully Penn state, Nebraska, Michigan, Iowa can be relevant again 

seize the carpe

InvertMyVeer's picture

BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ILLIBUCK!?!?!?!?

Football is complicated...

808buckeye's picture

True. I do like that wooden turtle safely tucked away at osu

seize the carpe

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FitzBuck's picture

It's now protected by two inches of dust from not moving off the trophy case for years.  

Possession is 9/10ths of the law.  It comes with us.   

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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DC-town's picture

2 months until kickoff and legitimate (although incoherent) discussions

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s.pasadena fl's picture

It is INEVITABLE.

Ed Hopper

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buckskin's picture

This opinion is extremely short-sighted and ignores the historical cyclical nature of college football power.  The Big 10 and Notre Dame dominated football during the 20s, 30s, and 40s.  Oklahoma and the Big 8 had some historical runs in the 50s.  The 70s saw more Big 8 dominance (mostly).  The 80s were owned by the Hurricanes and other independents winning titles (PSU and ND).  The 90s saw another run by Nebraska and Florida State.  The SEC owned the 2000s. 

Do we really want to leave our conference because the SEC just went on a 7 year run?  We can all agree this would be a huge and unprecedented move.  What happens when they lose their top notch coaches and we see another round of Shulas, Tubervilles, and whoever was at LSU before Saban.  This move reminds me of our microwave, quick fix society that most of us Midwesteners dislike.  We prefer stability, patience and commitment, in good times and bad.

I personally believe the B1G is on the fast track back to national prominence.  MSU has an excellent head coach, D-coordinator, newly hired recruiting coordinator and is in the process of upgrading facilities.  Wisky made an excellent choice in Gary Andersen; their program is in good hands.  PSU is spending money, made a national splash head coach by hiring Franklin and is getting quality players back into the fold.  We all hate to say it but we know Michigan will be back (hopefully later rather than sooner).  The B1G is also showing a willingness to adapt to the times:  two recent examples:  scheduling of more premier night games to help bolster recruiting and paying head/assistant coaches more money.

I hope this is not an attempt to garner page views DJ.  This is Ohio State.  If we can't beat them, we never join them. 

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chemicalwaste's picture

You can sharpen steel with a number things other than steel. Water, lasers, carbide, aluminum oxide for a few.

I don't want to go to the south in November or December because Christmas well be right around the corner and I will have much more important things (wife, kids, family) to spend money on than going to a college football game in Gainesville.

My house was built in 1900. Not 1896, but close.

I have a feeling most of us small folk would rather not lose who we are or who we relate to over the fact that some of our competition can't settle on having one coach for longer than the browns do.

Ohio State doesn't need to leave the B1G. The B1G needs to catch up.

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jheinz's picture

I dont think it would be necessary at all to leave the conference unless some kind of top tier league was formed including the top 20 or so programs in the country, but I do think we need to play as many top teams as possible.  A B1G-SEC challenge replacing their weak out of conference games would be great and if it caught on with every other conference, people wouldn't duck good teams for cupcakes because everyone is playing each other from power conferences.

jheinz

Nutinpa's picture

I applaud (above) "Johnblairgobucks"....for being spot on. For all the talk about Ohio State dominating the  weak or middling Big Ten, maybe the author needs to be reminded that the last time Ohio State was the outright, sanction-free, sole winner of the Big Ten was in 2009.  Since then, with the sanction year of 2012 noted, and the debacle in 2011, the Buckeyes have watched someone else represent the conference in the Rose Bowl.  

While I agree with DJ, that to become the best you have to play and beat the best, but the Buckeyes are not there yet.  Hell they couldn't even beat (or find the motivation) to beat Sparty or Clemson last year....so now, we've graduated beyond the B1G and ready for the SEC....really, DJ?  Buckeye arrogance is one thing, Buckeye silliness is another.  When we've dispatched the B1G with regularity, then we can thump our chests and seek bigger prey. Until then, let's take care of what is in front of us.

 

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btalbert25's picture

Ohio State will never join the SEC but I like the point of the article.  I think anyone who rests on the laurels of well everything is cyclical, the B1G will be back to prominence just has their head buried in the sand.  Urban and his staff is the only Elite staff in the conference.  They are the only ones acting like a successful program should.  There may be some successes thrown in there but at the end of the day, even MSU has to prove they have staying power.  No other program in the B1G has done it.  Iowa was good for a while, PSU made a couple nice runs, and Wisconsin was solid, but none of them have stuck around.  Wisconsin's 2012 team that went to the Rosebowl was a joke. 

I also grow tired of the moral high ground that somehow we have more class than the SEC.  It's bullshit.  Everyone cheats.  People complain about free tattoos but Bama had sanctions over Textbooks.  They cheated, we cheated.  Penn State covered up child rape for over 15 years, never heard of that happening in any other conference.  I don't want to hear about oversigning either.  People always say it's wrong in every fashion, but then we went and signed more guys than we had scholarships for in the 2014 class.  Then those same people who said it was wrong on every level changed their tune and said well, we only did it by two and there will be attrition.  Sounds like arguments I've heard from SEC fans before. Let's not act like we don't have boosters out there doing dirty work either folks.  Every program does.  I repeat, EVERY program has bagmen and loaded handshakes.  

We won't go to the SEC, but let's not act like the B1G or our beloved Buckeyes don't do whatever it takes to bring in certain players. 

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Misplaced Buckeye's picture

It's hard for me to put my full feelings on this into words but in short........NO! This would be as bad if not worse than Lebron James leaving Cleveland for Miami because he "couldn't" win a championship there. And we all know how the fine folks of Cleveland felt about that! Don't get me wrong. I want OSU to be the best by beating the best just like any other self respecting Buckeye, but selling out to join the SEC is NOT the answer(or even in the ballpark for that matter!) Hey, I'm a realist. I know the B10 has been down lately but lets look at some cold hard fact shall we......Who was it that beat us in Indy last year?! Who was it that made a trip out west instead of us?! Who was it that kept us out of the National Championship game while at the same time allowing one of those SEC programs a backdoor into it?! Oh right! Sparty! Not Bama, or Georgia, or LSU....but Sparty, a team from our own back yard. I'm not saying they are better than we are on a yearly basis but let us face facts, that program has been hiding in the shadows and on the slow and steady rise for a little while now. The B10 is in transition again. Teams, overall, are beginning to step up their game. Spartans last year, Northwestern is a program headed in the right direction(You can fight me on this but there is a reason that our game with them was a prime time game), Penn St. is off of probation after one more year and they are already recruiting like nobody's business, Brady Hoke is up from eating only 3 daily racks of ribs, to eating 4 daily racks and a small child, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa are no slouches(Iowa seems to give us their best anytime we play them), Indiana is one "C" grade defense away from causing trouble, and Minnesota is starting to learn what a football is. But then of course there is the Purdue and Illinois debacle. Which is just that....a debacle. Other than those 2 sub par teams and the newcomers this year, the B10 is moving slowly upward. This along with the Buckeyes being in the stronger of the two new divisions is good not only for us but the conference as a whole. So cool your jets on the SEC deal. I still wanna hear the "BIG TEN!" chant when we stomp Bama!

MAKING THE GREAT STATE OF OHIO PROUD

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Jastot's picture

There's a B1G Ten cheer?  You will be waiting for a cold day in hell before you hear Michigan, Whisky, PSU  et al cheering an OSU championship.  The only "conference" fans exist in the SEC mainly due to inbreeding and beastiality.  

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lax20's picture

Like all sports a conference's domination is cyclical.  The B1G will be on top as time goes on.  The problem with the now generation is too much instant gratification.  I remember a national championship in 1968 and waited until 2002 to experience another.  Do the math 34 years and this guy is crying about what!!  In those 34 years the Buckeyes had some really kickass teams.  Patience the conference will come around.

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bucksk1n's picture

Since 1969 the B1G has 1.5 national championships in football.  That's 45 years which means we have averaged 1 every 30 years.  Yet we have the arrogance to believe that someday, with patience, the league will be as good as the SEC which has won 7 since our last national championship in 2002 (4 different teams).

Here's the hard truth.  With the exception of Ohio and Pennsylvania, the talent pool in the B1G is terrible.  The B1G's run as the dominant national power was ended forever when the SEC and SWC decided that it was ok to put black players on their teams.  The other factor is most states in B1G country would rather focus is on hockey or basketball and the ones that do care about football have more cornfields than people.  

Patience isn't going to make the league better but that's ok because I really only care about Ohio State.  However, we need to get thicker skin about complaints about our schedule as the rest of the league will never do us any favors in terms of respectability.

T4EHill's picture

I don't see why people root for Conferences. You root against the teams who play OSU but then you root for them in the bowl games? I root for Ohio State and to be the best you have to beat the best which isn't in the B1G. I hate the SEC but I would love to play against the big schools on a weekly basis. They just need to do the super conferences for the east and west sides of the country to settle this conference nonsense. 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes

Nutinpa's picture

People don't root for conferences, except in the SEC. 

Why?  The first half...of the first word in the name of the conference is....South.

You need no further explanation.  I heard southerners...who were diehard fans of other SEC schools.....say blatantly, "I don't like Urban Meyer or the Gators, but I sure loved watching them kick Ohio State's ass last week."  The same was true for Les Miles and LSU the next year.  Like I said....this isn't a tough concept to figure out as soon as you know where the drivel for the conference cheer is coming from. It's the modern day equivalent of a rebel yell.  All that is missing is the soldiers in grey, the stars and bars and a rifle.

Bugsyk's picture

Does anyone else see the bad math:  Addition by subtraction?  Multiplication by division?  I can throw aphorisms with the best of them DJ, but joining the SEC does nothing other than make you feel better about OSU simply by association bias.  If that warms you, go buy the latest smartphone and spend a year defending why it's "the best."  Poor journalistic psuedo-statistics aside, we don't become better by colluding with something others think is better i.e. it's branding bias.  What's still around since 1896?  Ohio.  Everything else has been built and evolved on top of it as a foundation, including you.  Change is inevitable; forcing change for little more than namesake is short-sided (football only) and impulsive.  Going to another conference is more following than leading.  When you're following, the view doesn't change much.

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buckeyeradar's picture

I didn't read all the comments but is DJ trying to get hired by ESPN?

Buckeye in Texas

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Whosisbrew's picture

TAKE TOO HOT. NEED GLOVES.

Seabass1974's picture

I think someone has been drinking way, way, way too much eSECpn kool-aid.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

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BeijingBucks's picture

This is what that Kight dude did to you?  what the hell man..?  stop rubbing in the fact it is the off season and we need to drum up page views.  i think I threw up a little bit in my mouth reading this

 

 

None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. ~ John Milton

penguinpower's picture

The SEC was down last year. There was no defense and about 100 points were scored in the SEC championship game. Alabama got it handed to them by an average Oklahoma team. Two B1G teams nearly beat their SEC opponents in their bowl games. Wisconsin and Iowa played against higher ranked opponents and fared well. There are a few issues that I see that feeds the SEC machine: the SEC always gets home field advantage during bowl games. And SEC teams get better match ups in the bowl games, for example, last year every B1G team was ranked lower in their matchup with an SEC team. I believe that to be true for remaining matchups the SEC had with other conferences. ESPN spin machine doesn't help either. ESPN started the SEC network and they are going to have their own college game day program for the SEC. this will just make recruiting more difficult especially for the B1G schools with higher academic admission standards in less desirable locations.

CGroverL's picture

I came to this place because of how good the writings were. I stay here because of how great the Buckeye Nation comments are. This article, blog, or whatever you want to call it is garbage. Texas A&M and Mizzou just came in and tore the SEC apart? That should have shown you how weak the SEC is overall. They may just have the best overall conference in football, but Kentucky fans aren't very loud and proud when it comes to football, you know? In the end they have weak opponents inside their conference to go along with their weak out of conference foes. Oh...and your quote about "being a monster" is wrong. Do a little research so you don't sound like a guy in the middle of a WWE ring screaming while ripping his shirt off.

On a scale of 1-10, the article scores a 2. On a scale of 1-10 on your reasoning for the garbage that you wrote, I'll give you another 2. I'm sorry, but it made me sick to read this and it made me more sick to see how many people (like myself) actually responded to this garbage. That is what it is, too. It is 100% garbage. No Buckeye fans should have spit have of these words out that came from the hole under your nose. If there was a Buckeye God, you just committed blasphemy.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Or since Ohio State is too good for the "SEC" we can just become independent. I'd rather stay in the B1G though. Love playing MSU, Michigan, and Penn State every year. And that's without the James  Franklin / Urban Meyer rivalry even starting yet .

I've spent time in the South, I don't care what anybody says they don't have the passion for football that us Ohioans have. 

Exhortera's picture

How about we focus on winning the B1G CC?

bucksfan92's picture

I'd be fine with OSU in the SEC.  For years I have wanted OSU to drop the B1G, and this silly eastern expansion to junk athletic programs cemented that feeling.  What I would really love to see are all the conferences blown up entirely and rebuilt.  Crappy programs like Maryland, Rutgers, Minnesota, Northwestern, etc can form their own leagues while the powerhouse teams can join together to from incredible leagues.  Or we just disband leagues altogether and play one massive non conference schedule with 2 or 4 year home/home series.  Logistics on that might be difficult, but I believe not impossible.

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The Thrill is Gone's picture

Leave the Big Ten?  How about Urban wins it first?  Then maybe we can talk about leaving it.  Maybe.  We're not good enough to be talking this way.  When Tress was here, sure.  But now?  Seriously?

Alright, I'm ready for your downvotes.

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