Carlos Hyde on 4th-and-2 against Michigan State: "Give Me the Ball"

By DJ Byrnes on May 21, 2014 at 10:53a
70 Comments

O! What could have been.

In a video interview posted on the San Francisco 49ers' website,  Carlos Hyde was immediately asked about the fateful 4th-and-2 play against Michigan State in the Big Ten Championship game.

Carlos Hyde says he didn't have a "conversation" with Urban after the play, but before it went down he was very vocal.

"I ran over there, and I'm like, 'Coach, you know... it's fourth and one... give me the ball, you know? We've been killing them vertical all day. ... This is my bread and butter right here.

... I thought he said, 'OK.' I thought he did. So I run back up to the huddle, I'm like, 'OK, I'm about to get the ball.' The offensive line is all hype, 'Alright, c'mon, give 'Los the ball! Let's go!'

"[Meyer] calls a quarterback run. I'm like, 'Alright. I'm not going to question the coach's call. I'm going to go execute and do my job. Braxton is a great runner, so I'm like, 'Braxton can get two yards, one yard.' So, I'm not worried about it.

"We ran the play, a guy came off his block, hit him for a loss. Like, 'man....'"

In the article attached to the video interview, there's also this:

“I decided not to go [Florida] because I saw the spread offense,” Hyde said of Meyer’s Gators. “I was like, ‘I don’t see any big running backs back there running the ball for him.' The only big guy back there was Tim Tebow.”

[...]

In retrospect, playing for Meyer more than prepared Hyde for the NFL. He learned how to play alongside a mobile quarterback – Braxton Miller rushed for 1,068 yards on 171 carries – and the importance of protecting Miller in the pocket.

Hyde offered this: “If you can’t pass protect, there’s a good chance you won’t play there.”

So take heed, running backs: Carlos Hyde became a complete, NFL-styled running back in Urban's power spread offense, an offense he specifically avoided coming out of high school because he didn't think it'd be beneficial for him. Funny how life works.

Tim May of The Columbus Dispatch contributed to this post

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OSUpawn's picture

See you on Sundays

I believe the SEC players put their pants on one leg at a time like we do.

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MacG91's picture

Atleast Hyde was a good sport about that play.. If I was Carlos, I would of probably lost my shit after that play..

Mac..yeah

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brandonbauer87's picture

Is he really going to admit he was a poor sport about the play?

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MacG91's picture

I wasn't just talking about the interview bud. As far as we know he didn't make a show on the side line, didn't confront people/coaches in locker room and didn't say anything to the press after the game. 

Mac..yeah

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GVerrilli92's picture

 

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

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bigDbuck's picture

They freaking forgot about Hyde in the 4th qtr too many times!!! Not just on this play. I can't recount how many times I wondered why they weren't handing off the ball when he was getting 5-7 yrds per carry, and completely disappeared in 4th. Not optimal play calling imo.

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BierStube's picture

Alright, 'cmon, give 'Los  El Guapo the ball! Let's go!'

 

Fixed it for ya Los!

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

d5k's picture

I think Herman thought Narduzzi thought we would pound Hyde and therefore they would load up inside.  Therefore he didn't expect the linebackers, particularly Denicos Allen, to slant so effectively to the sideline.  I honestly can't fault the call that much.  On the chalkboard it seems just as likely as a Hyde run to get the first down against a loaded box and it has a much greater chance of going for a huge gain or touchdown.  But of course I yelled at the TV like everyone else.

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LOVEITORLEAVEIT's picture

I think if we could be inside Herman/Urban's collective heads this was most likely their thought process. Sometimes I felt the play calling was over thought... you have a horse of a running back and a great O-line, let them do their thing and get us 1 yard.

 

With that being said I do not have 2 national championships and countless other accolades, so I will defer to Herman/Urban.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Herman doesn't have any either.  If he doesn't change his act, he never will.

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741's picture

He'll always have that MENSA membership though.

Furious George 27's picture

I think both plays could have worked, with Hyde's being most likely to succeed.... The credit goes to Allen on making a great play really. I don't think anyone else was in position to make the stop before 1st down.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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Poison nuts's picture

I agree with you fully on this. +1

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

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2morrow's picture

I believe they had two plays to get one yard. MSU could not stop Hyde at all in the 3rd quarter and I believe they knew he would be getting the ball on many plays. Even the back-up broke off a big run in the 3rd qtr. Hyde had a total of 2 carries in the 4th qtr. - both at the start of the qtr. We beat ourselves. I would be more understanding if you gave Hyde the ball on at least one of the downs,

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bafiesta's picture

If our TE made his block on Allen, Miller easily gets the first down.  Sometimes it's not the playcalling it's the execution.  

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chemicalwaste's picture

Sometimes someone just makes a hell of a play, too, unfortunately.

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Hovenaut's picture

Against medical advice, I've read this article.

Please excuse me.

 

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

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Damonbuckeye's picture

I felt the exact same way reading this article? ? Bring back bad memories. .

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Barnsey69's picture

I'm sure that is one Meyer wishes he had back.

Bueno suerte a El Guapo en el NFL!

Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes!

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SilverState's picture

So take heed, running backs: Carlos Hyde became a complete, NFL-styled running back in Urban's power spread offense...

...we're looking at you Mr. Harris.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I know it was coming from 'Los, but if what he says is true, and the linemen wanted him to get the ball, then for crying out loud... ok, time to go take my valium and not let the past ruin me.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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BuckeyeSki's picture

'Ya'll shoulda ran the Oopty-Oop' - Moxon

Banned from BlackShoeDiaries since 2008. Crime: Slander/Defamation of Character Judgement: Guilty

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cw823's picture

It was the right call, saved us the humiliation of a 40pt loss to FSU

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acBuckeye's picture

Yeah..... an FSU team that was getting drilled for 3 quarters, and whose small linebackers would've been tire tread by the time Guapo would've been finished with them.

Although there's a chance Guapo would've only carried it once in the second half of that game.....

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nikolajz1's picture

I thought this too right after the game, but Auburn kept it really close and Auburn in many ways was a copy of OSU last year. Incredible spread running game, medicore passing game, below average defense, top 10 coach and yet they were 17 seconds from winning a national title. 

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Jeeves's picture

Auburn performance accolades must be tempered with the fact they knew what plays FSU were calling for half the game. Without that knowledge the game may have been a route.

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vitaminB's picture
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hit_the_couch's picture

Most odd and worst playcalling I have seen all season. Even if tOSU had won, I still not certain a win would have came against FSU.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

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BuckeyeStrong2's picture

I hate to say this but let's be honest... It took us until the Orange Bowl to start Vonn Bell at safety, something that should have happened in the Wisky game when Bryant went down... No way we were competent enough defensively to win that game.

"BLOOD. THIRSTY. BUCKEYES."

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Urban Nation Army's picture
No one can say with 100% certainty that calling a run for Hyde would have resulted in a first down. I am sure the toughness of the MSU defense played into the coaches thinking and it's easy to criticize over one particular play that went wrong. Hyde definitely should have got the ball overall more at the end of the game but you can't say for certain that any other play gets a first down in that situation. For comparison's sake:

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

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GVerrilli92's picture

Seriously.

That was not a bad call at all.

If Carlos Hyde gets stuffed, the same people complaining now would be saying we should have left it in Braxton's hands.

We didn't do enough all game to keep control, Heurman missed a block on a key play, we lost. 

And to those of you that think we could've stopped FSU, you're crazy. They would've had 35 at half. Now, we might have had 21, but morale would have been down.

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

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acBuckeye's picture

If Hyde gets stuffed, I wouldn't be near as critical about the play call. Dude got stopped for no gain/loss like 2 or 3 times all season. The likelihood of him getting a first down in that situation are heavily in our favor. Herman/Meyer should just admit they over-thought the whole thing. They say they wanted the ball in their best player's hands? To me that was Hyde all year long.......

And based on how FSU played, I believe we would've hung with them, but alas it's a moot point.

 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I don't blame Meyer or Herman or Hyde or Brax for that play. MSU had to make the perfect defensive play to stop it and they did. If our defense had been up to par it would've have come down to that anyway. I am keeping my fingers, toes and eyes crossed that Chris Ash is the answer. I have no doubt whatsoever that if Braxton is in that situation again he learns from it and wins the next battle. He's too fierce a competitor for that.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Forget about what play should have been called. The success of  ANY play is predicated upon blockers doing their job. All that was needed was for Heuerman to hold his block for 1 second longer. Braxton gets the 1st down. Which might have meant nothing, if the next play called had a missed assignment and a turnover ensued. Let it go. NO ONE knows what would have happened.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

I thought by now everyone knew that Urban's spread offense is predicated by the ability to FIRST run down hill in the B-gaps. It is the basis  of his offense. The difference is that Florida's QB was the power runner in the B-gaps. They are hard to find. MUCH more easily to find is a power running back like Hyde. 

Ohio State does not have a Tebow, thus who on next year's roster is the power down hill runner that can run over people for an extra yard or two? The power runner that will set up the rest of the offense for Braxton's running and passing game?

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45has2's picture

Duh....Mr. Hyde averages 7 yds/carry.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

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Toilrt Paper's picture

DUH, if everyone gets their block. You're telling us that Hyde has NEVER been held to less than two yards on any of his carries??? LOL

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niblick's picture

Hyde was averaging 6.6 yards per carry, behind an O-line with 4 seniors, all of which headed into NFL training camps  SIX.SIX yards per carry!!!

Urban has 2 mnc's, and that's 2 more than I'll ever have.  But sometimes you can get too cute and out smart yourself.  Not giving the ball to 34 on not only that play, but the 3rd and 2 on the play before, will go down as one of the dumbest calls I've ever seen in my life.

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GVerrilli92's picture

Use of precedent does not guarantee future success.

If Heurman picks up his block, we're sitting here talking about how genius the play was to make the D crash the middle and us attack the perimeter, because Braxton would've scored a TD.

In a battle of individual effort away from the ball, they won. What makes you think that putting the ball in Carlos Hyde's hands would change that? That particular play would have been a 3 yard loss if Braxton hands it to Hyde. Why does everyone refuse to acknowledge this??

You can only blame a coach for so long. There were hundreds of decisions that they (the offensive minds) made in that game to put us in a position to win.

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

Squirrel Master's picture

I have little problem with the 4th down call, its the 3rd down and 3 (i think) that I thought they should have given it to Hyde. We all knew it was a 4 down territory and the goal was the keep the ball and run the clock, so why not run Hyde on 3rd down. Especially when he was getting at least 4.5 a carry all game.

it is what it is though, the defense couldn't stop anyone so I don't have delusions of anything missed out. There was still no guarantee OSU would have won the game if they got the first down. It would have been more likely, but not a guarantee.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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Toilrt Paper's picture

How many yards/carry does Braxton average on running plays?

That would be the same O-line that blocked for Braxton and didn't get the job done.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I would've given the ball to El Guapo on 4th and 2.

That being said, Braxton is a good runner, too, so it's not like giving him the ball was a BAD idea.  The play wasn't executed well.  If the MSU guy didn't get off the block, Braxton would've had the first down.  If they gave it to El Guapo and that MSU guy still got off his block, he could very well have been stopped himself.  You can question a play call all you want, but proper execution will make most any play call look good, and improper execution will make most any play call look bad.

Class of 2010.

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Crumb's picture

The only team that stopped El Guapo in the 2013 season was Ohio State.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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GVerrilli92's picture

And Braxton not being a run threat, and any of our OLine going down, and Dontre Wilson not being the best decoy in America...

Carlos Hyde was the product of a system, a system that was successful because of all the moving parts. Take away Marcus Hall, take away Dontre Wilson, the coaches make the decisions they do for a reason.

But damn, I really should have chosen the correct lotto numbers last week. I'd be a millionaire. 

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

Deadly Nuts's picture

Hyde was not a product of a system, he would be a beast in any offense. Hell, we didn't have to block the LB'ers because Hyde just ran right through them.

LEBRON

GVerrilli92's picture

The amount of downvotes being given to people defending the coaches is pretty telling about the general amount of football knowledge present...

Damn, if only the 90% majority of forum board posters ruled the world..

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

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andretolstoy's picture

Sorry bro. The only coach I love more than Meyer is Tress (and my high school coach). And this is mostly due to semantics. But Meyer's armor was tarnished a bit, at least for me, on that play call. Coach knows better than that...

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andretolstoy's picture

I will never forget that play call. And the fact that a player like Carlos Hyde looked the coach in the eye and said, "give me the ball. I got this" and was turned down. And then for Meyer to say he put the ball in the best players' hands. You just don't do that you a young man, coach.

GVerrilli92's picture

It's what everyone was saying! 

Obviously it would have been the easy call to hand it to Carlos, but Urban not making that call didn't doom us to failure. You still have to run the play that the coach calls. And I'm not trying to label the coach as infallible, but to say that one playcall in a game "tarnishes" your opinion of a coach makes me sympathize for you.

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

andretolstoy's picture

Actually, Urban erred on the side of the QB all year long, but it actually only hurt us the Michigan game, when they abruptly stopped running Hyde a couple of times, ruining the tempo of the game allowing Michigan to gain momentum. And the BIGCG.

He did this at Florida as well. When in doubt, QB. This caveat in his offense is the same thing as "the Dave" in Tressel's. Eventually, it's going to get annoying.

To top it off. He said that he wanted to put the ball in his best players' hands. Well, with the way Hyde was playing after his suspension, there is no way that player was Brax.

I think Urban is a great football coach. I wanted him to take over for Tressel, but after looking at his style of offense, I'm not sure I really like that whole, "clappy - QB - free - for - all -thing" he has going. It sort reminds me of the type of football we used to play at recess with our Nerf ball. It's fast, it has its moments of beauty, but in the end someone always ends up just sort of standing there . It's sort of like a cheap version of the real thing that comes really close to taking the team out of the team sport.

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Exactly what I was saying when the game was going and we got to that point.  "Give Hyde the ball and steam roller 'em!"  Still upsets me to even think about that play. 

RuGettinIt's picture

Hyde on 3rd down more than likely gets the first down the way he was pounding the rock, making the 4th down call a moot point,
 

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BlockO's picture

Up to that point hyde had not been held to negative yards all year. So yeah I think he would have gotten that one yard.

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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andretolstoy's picture

Naw. This one I don't let go. The fact that THEY couldn't let go of, or even ease the paradigm a bit with the likes of what we had in Hyde shows me something about Meyer in particular that worries me. He is not the demi-God everyone makes him out to be I want to remember this chump belief in the "QB at all times" for one, because I don't believe we'll see the likes of a Hyde RB back here for a while (or ever under Meyer) for another, because this rigidity is something that could be the hole in the damn other teams are looking for.  And, I'll relish every down vote I get on this, they're worth it. I yield the floor ...
 

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GVerrilli92's picture

Hyde is the 3rd (arguably 4th) best back we've had in the last 12 years.

His replacement may be better than him.

 

I think what you're trying to say is that the O-line was something we may not see again for a while.

 

How many cheeseburgers are you gunna drive into that dirty old cheeseburger locker Brady Hoke?

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andretolstoy's picture

I'm sure looking at total yardage he is. But in a different offense, he's top three, if not top two.

I've watched all the backs we've had in the last 12 years and the only back(s) I would consider taking over Hyde would be Clarrett or George. And we've had some pretty good lines in the past as well.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Eddie George? Last 12 years?

Toilrt Paper's picture

Meyer would have run Tebow in that situation at Florida.

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MDBuckeyenut's picture

Braxton to the wide side of the field made better sense than what took place but I agree...'Los should have gotten the rock.  I would have taken on the crook Winston and FSU all day long.

MDBuckeyenut's picture

Braxton to the wide side of the field made better sense than what took place but I agree...'Los should have gotten the rock.  I would have taken on the crook Winston and FSU all day long.

MDBuckeyenut's picture

At least run Braxton to the wide side of the field.  'Los should have gotten the rock on 4th down.  I would taken on the crook Winston and FSU all day long.

Poison nuts's picture

Actually, I think a well executed hand-off fake to Hyde & then screen out to one of the WR's would have really caught them off guard & gotten the first...but who gives a shit. It's over. It happened how it did. At the end of the day, Denicos Allen made a really solid play, which seems to always get lost in the mix. I was shocked at the time that Hyde stopped getting carries in the 4th but it happened, it's done now, next season is not far away.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

IH8UOFM's picture

This article and following comments have made me extremely depressed.

THEOSUfan's picture

On that card Herman is always looking at are probably 8 or so 4th and short plays.  One of them is probably something bold/trick playish.  There are probably a couple of passes, a few runs for Hyde or Miller, and a read option.  They practice those plays throughout the week and they get a feel for what should work against the defense.  As has been noted, it our TE executes his block, the drive goes on.  But I have no criticism of the call itself.

If I could ask Herman or Meyer one question about the play it would be why it was run to the short side of the field where Brax didn't have as much room to operate.   Brax is hard to tackle in the open field, but easier when the sideline is defending him.  I'm sure it has something to do with formation and moving the defense, but I think that play had a better chance of success to the wide side.

Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Still to this day can't understand why we run an off-tackle sweep with our QB rather than pound it up the middle with our power-RB who was money all season long with 3rd-and-shorts and 4th-and-shorts.  Made absolutely no sense to me.

Running B.Miller up the middle would have been better than running B.Miller off-tackle on a sweep.  That was just the worst play they could have called and I still can't get over it.