A Rival Worthy of the Name

By Johnny Ginter on April 4, 2014 at 2:40p

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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I don't really care about scholarship reductions or bowl bans anymore. The topic that consumed us for apparently a disproportionate amount of time are no longer an excuse for Penn State football; not because it isn't still a legitimate excuse, but because it seems like most non-Nittany Lion observers of college football have moved on from whatever outrage or schadenfreude they initially felt or didn't feel, and now simply expect a storied program to not suck total ass.

Part of that is due to turnover. Two coaches beyond Paterno, and suddenly even a 40 plus year legacy can begin to dim. For other football fans at least; some Penn State fans are going to hold on like grim death to the memory of a guy who covered for a pedophile, but those people are also sad, creepy, and ultimately utterly irrelevant.

Anyway, Bill O'Brien did a lot to erase a lot of the perceptions surrounding what Penn State ought to be in a post-scandal world. While his teams weren't particularly great, they were also at the very least competent, which is something a lot of people didn't expect following the NCAA hammer being brought down on them.

In retrospect it was probably more than a little shortsighted to think that Penn State would struggle to put up seven or eight wins against a Big Ten schedule made up of teams from the Big Ten. The reduction of sanctions helps that somewhat, but truthfully Penn State has been a halfway decent football team because they've got a team full of halfway decent football players.

Woooooo?
Crappy costume triumphant

Good! Look, if Penn State is half the rival for Ohio State that they've claimed to be in past years, then what James Franklin and Bill O'Brien cobbled together should continue to get better and challenge the Buckeyes for well... not Big Ten dominance, that's definitely not in the cards anytime soon, but in terms of wins and losses. The last Ohio State defeat at the hands of Penn State was in 2011, which pretty much feels like cheating.

The last Penn State win over Ohio State before that was in 2008, and that was also the last time that Penn State went to the Rose Bowl (where they got utterly smoked by USC). Still, despite all of that, it appears that in terms of both personnel and coaching, Penn State football hasn't experienced nearly the kind of dropoff that was expected of them just a few years ago.

I say that as a fan of the team that beat the Nittany Lions by 49 points last season. Still, James Franklin isn't fooling around, especially when it comes to recruiting:

"They're taking that SEC mentality and bringing it up to Penn State and the Big Ten," said Hull. "In-your-face, hard-nosed football. I think you'll see a big change in the physicality in our team over the next couple of years."

An influx of talent is on the way, too. Franklin, who secured Vanderbilt's first top-25 signing class two years ago, is thus far fulfilling his pledge to "dominate the region" in recruiting. He has already snagged 11 verbal commitments in the class of 2015 to give the Nittany Lions a very early No. 2 national ranking, according to Rivals.com.

It's easy to roll your eyes at the SEC comment, but only if it's more of a critique of "speed" or "toughness" or some other stupid intangible that varies widely from team to SEC team. In terms of SEC consistency, however, it totally works, because Penn State has needed a coach to be a steadfast rock for them. Bill O'Brien was exactly that in the two years he spend in Happy Valley, and if James Franklin is honest about even half of the enthusiasm that he's shown for the job, the Nittany Lions are in good hands.

It's weird: for years Penn State has been billed as Ohio State's "new" rival in the Big Ten, our Doc Ock to Michigan's Green Goblin. They've usually ended up more like Stilt Man in their time in the Big Ten (at least where Ohio State is concerned), but given the fertile football ground that is Pennsylvania, it's nice to see them approaching football seriously, and not in a way that's constrained by the constant hagiography directed towards an increasingly senile old man.

Maybe, then, it's time for Penn State to admit that even with the scholarship reductions and postseason bans, the real thing holding their program back was coaching stagnation in a time when college football moves at light speed. And now that they have a coach and an attitude that's finally aware of that, they may grow into being an actual rival after all.

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otrain2416's picture

I deal with annoying Penn state fans on a daily basis. Don't refer to OSU-PSU as a rivalry. That's what PSU wants us to do. Penn state is the annoying little brother that won't go away and always think they're better than they actually are. I look at them in the next few years under Franklin as a worthy conference opponent we won't beat by 7 TDs. Our rival is and forever will be Michigan.

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weare's picture

Maybe you'll beat Penn State by 7 touchdowns again in Beaver Stadium this year . Then again maybe you won't !  I'd be careful what you say because Sterling Jenkins might just choose Penn State..or don't you think Penn State is good enough to get him?  By the way,,how is Noah SPENCE working out for Ohio State?

PennState

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Deadly Nuts's picture

What would you rather be accused of?

1. Taking an over the counter drug.

2. Covering up a child rape scandal

Your move.... 

LEBRON

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daytonbuckeye1983's picture

He is working out great, you'll see when we come to the house of enablers. He also happens to be one of five defensive ends we have who would instantly be the best one on your team. Thanks for Larry Johnson!

HeuermanTheFireman's picture

Don't feed the trolls.

The person responsible for toes clearly wanted you to stub them.

BAR43's picture

PSU is flying high on a depleted rooster and early playing time for recruits. This "hot streak" will level out very soon and still leave PSU middle of the group in the B1G. Not to mentioned Franklin will be gone in 4 yrs or less.

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bodast67's picture

Not to mentioned Franklin will be gone in 4 yrs or less.

And you know this how ?

 

 

 

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I don't know if he'll be gone in 4 years or less, but the rumor when he was @ Vandy was that he had NFL aspirations.

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jedkat's picture

PSU is flying high on a depleted rooster 

 

if the rooster is depleted how does it have the strength to fly high with PSU on it's back?

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Maybe it's this guy - 

I say, I say

 

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Foghorn Leghorn. Now THERE'S an SEC/South Carolina fan if I ever did see one.

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Earle's picture

I missed this article when it was first posted, but I must say that flying high on a depleted rooster is certainly an accomplishment to crow about.

Italics are for emphasis.

DannyBeane's picture

SCUM aside, Illinois is more of a rivalry than Ped State. Wisconsin is a rivalry. Sparty is starting to become a rivalry. Ped State is just a road bump/occasional rim warping pothole. They are a Big East/ACC team that happens to reside in the B1G.

Horvath22's picture

B1G East = (1) King, (3) Princes, and (3) Serfs.

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mobboss1984's picture

If Penn State want to be our rivals, bring it !!! They don't want a long term rivalry with us.

Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
Bruce Lee
 

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Seattle Linga's picture

They can't handle the truth.

 

Hovenaut's picture

Ohio native, spent some years in the Keystone State - all too near Nittany Lion country.

There's no question which game I look at the most each fall.

Michigan State has moved up that ladder recently.

The Penn State game is always highlighted for me. Last year was great, but I remember a time when this Ohio State fan was on the other end of a 63-14 score.

To their credit, Penn State should aim for our Buckeyes - I think it'd be a step back if they set their sights on Maryland or Rutgers, regardless of the history they've had with both schools (they played both annually when PSU was still an independent).

 

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CaliforniaBuckeye's picture

 

"The only way we'd get beaten was if we got a little fat-headed, if we didn't train right, if we had dissension on the squad." - Woody Hayes

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AeroBuckeye2001's picture

So we're now paying attention to Penn St. because they have a bottom tier SEC coach who is bringing in his Vanderbilt peeps and a few decent recruits, with a class ranked #2 in April? 

Yawn...

Penn State went 7-5 last year and lost to Indiana by 3 TD's. They beat our worst team in forever by 6 points in 2011. They're not a rival but definitely a team I look forward to beating thanks to their ridiculous fan base.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

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Johnny Ginter's picture

lol james franklin took vanderbilt (VANDERBILT) which had been a 2-10 team the year before he was hired to two consecutive nine win seasons (which vanderbilt had only done TWO OTHER TIMES since 1890 and never back to back), three straight bowl games (vanderbilt had only gone to four other bowl games in the entire history of their football team, none consecutively), won two of those (again, tying the total amount of bowl wins all time for vandy). ALSO he was the first vandy coach to win five SEC games since ray morrison in 1935 jeeeeesus

my point is that a) james franklin is an insanely talented coach who took one of the worst SEC programs and turned it into a consistent winner, b) penn state is probably better than most people think and already have a butt ton of four star recruits already committed, and c) 75% of the big ten is dog shit and even a halfway decent psu team is going to make waves. if franklin stays, they're set up for a comeback, because he is a legit coach and will absolutely DOMINATE pennsylvania recruiting

Buck_YES's picture

As a Life-Long fan of Ohio State, I can say that after living in Nashville for the past 7 years I am not excited to see what Franklin can do with at PSU with a program with richer history and lower academic requirements.  He's a Great Coach and that will make every victory over Penn State all the more satisfying.  Rivalry / No Rivalry...meh... as far as distaste goes, I don't really care for any team other than the Bucks...in my life time they've all beaten us at one point, and I don't forgive, nor forget, those times.

Go Bucks.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I wanna say upfront that I am not a fan of James Franklin. I live in the Nashville area and I experienced James Franklin overload while he was here. But the thing I do respect about Franklin's time @ Vandy is that the guy did the the best he could do there with what he had to work with in terms of facilities, players, and fans. 

Judging from what I saw from him at Vanderbilt, I have no doubt in my mind that he will have success at Penn State. 

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Johnny Ginter's picture

yeah that's the other thing; my sister went to vanderbilt and having been down there several times i can tell you that the overall support for their football program is laughable, and their stadium is a glorified high school field. what franklin did in nashville is astounding, and if he's low-tier, then most of the big ten coaches are an order of magnitude worse than that.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

I would not argue with you on the quality of coaches in the B1G. This is what makes Franklin stand out. He's a good coach, I get it. But we're talking Penn St, not Indiana or Purdue. They should be winning 10+ games perennially and competing for B1G titles. We need better coaches and teams in the B1G. The fact that we're all taking notice and some are worried about the #2 class in the nation in April is proof that we've gotten fat and lazy on feeding off of the crap in our conference. 

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

skid21's picture

75% of the big ten is dog shit and even a halfway decent psu team is going to make waves. if franklin stays, they're set up for a comeback, because he is a legit coach and will absolutely DOMINATE pennsylvania recruiting

So all of us should be fearful of this awesome being called Franklin. He is the man who will bring OSU football to it's knees. We simply do not stand a chance against the awesomeness of Franklin.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

They were halfway decent the last two years. That didn't stop them from losing to the Bobcats, Virginia, Indiana, and Minnesota.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

...and Randy Walker was going to take Colorado to the next level.

Horvath22's picture

Thanks, Johnny. Nothing like a breath of fresh air loaded with facts and REASONED opinion.

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Buckeye5000's picture

 

 

To Johnny Ginter:

First I am not saying Franklin is not a good coach but:

"james franklin took vanderbilt (VANDERBILT) which had been a 2-10 team the year before he was hired to two consecutive nine win seasons (which vanderbilt had only done TWO OTHER TIMES since 1890 and never back to back)"

2 straight 9 win seasons since 1890?...big deal. How many games did they play in 1890? In 1950? In 1990? Teams play more games now. With a 12 games regular season and a bowl game (which you make with just 6 wins) that is 13 games. so he only had to go 9-4 two straight years.....big deal.

"three straight bowl games (vanderbilt had only gone to four other bowl games in the entire history of their football team, none consecutively)"

Again with only 6 wins needed out of 12 games, and with over 30 bowl games, I don't see that as a major accomplishment. What games did they play in? Did they win any "Major Bowls"? Did they even play in any?

"ALSO he was the first vandy coach to win five SEC games since ray morrison in 1935 jeeeeesus"

So he won 5 $EC games....I guess that you are one of the believers that winning 5 SEC games is some major accomplishment. All that proves is that Vandy sucked....we already knew that.

"my point is that a) james franklin is an insanely talented coach"

It doesn't seem to me that you have proven that case at all. AN INSANELY TALENTED COACH? And tell me how you justify that statement? Because your reasons stated above don't nearly prove that in my eyes. Are you Joking?

"absolutely DOMINATE Pennsylvania recruiting."

Granted he has done well so far in recruiting (2nd ranked class IN APRIL but....how many very highly rated classes does OSU have in the last 15yrs.? Including pulling some of the very best kids out of Pennsylvania. Franklin has been there 1yr. and you have no idea weather he will DOMINATE Pennsylvania recruiting.

Your article and you reasoning are absolute Bull Shit.   "jeeeeesus"

 

 

 

Go Bucks!

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Is it necessary to refer to fellow 11W's opinions as "absolute Bull Shit"?

you may not agree with someone......simply providing your counter points accomplishes your debate, without needing to put another Buckeye fan down with cuss words.

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Buckeye5000's picture

I have seen many others on this site say things like that....and if you look at any of my past posts you would see I have never said a phrase like that on here before. It was the only phrase I could think of at the time to describe his argument. I was questioning his argument I was not trying to insult the man himself. Sorry, I hurt your virgin ears (or eyes).

Go Bucks!

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johnblairgobucks's picture

No virgin ears, here, my man.  I've never aquired the taste for a-hole talk.

Buckeye5000's picture

A-hole talk? I never called anyone an A-hole. Maybe not all of us grew up where you grew up and cursing is as common as eating and breathing where I come from. I have toned it down to an extent maybe some can not understand but it still comes out once in a while. Like I said it was the phrase that came to mind at the time I was typing. What else do you want me to say? And again I did not try to insult the man just that I strongly disagreed with his argument.

I have still not seen anyone, including those who down voted me dispute anything I've said. Except the writer who I answered with a counter argument. Nuf' said.

Go Bucks!

Johnny Ginter's picture

this is a pretty bad response but if youre going to whine about bowl games and 13 game seasons then whatever, i can do it this way too:

james franklin won 69% of his games in the last two years at vandy. that hasn't been done since the 1930s at vanderbilt. they hadnt won that many games percentage wise in a single season since the 1950s. vandy hadnt been above .500 in SEC play since the early 80s. another thing to keep in mind is that under franklin, vandy won more games in his first season than they did the previous two seasons combined. he took a team of scrubs and turned them into a respectable team immediately, and he did it in the best football conference in the country.

oh, and of the seven four star recruits penn state has for 2015, four of them were recruited and given at least a soft offer by ohio state.

Buckeye5000's picture

Like the first sentence in my post I said I didn't think Franklin was a bad coach. In fact I think he is going to do an excellent job at Penn. St. But your topic came across to me as if you viewed Franklin as the greatest thing since sliced bread and the greatest football coach since Knute Rockne. True, Franklin won 69% of his games at Vandy but they were only 50% in SEC play last year and lost to all the good teams they played (including 23 and 32pt. losses) except a very depleted GA. team (31-27) that everyone was beating at that point in the season. So to say that he won 69% in the toughest conference in the country is misleading. Also last year their non-conference schedule was Austin Peay, UMASS, UAB and Wake Forest. That's not exactly murderers row that he beat. Also I was not "whining" about the longer schedules, I was pointing out that in 1890 or 1950 they played a lot less games so when you say they won 8 or 9 games that it is much easier to do it now than it was then. We see every year now how this team or that team has had 8-9-or10 wins in back to back seasons for the first time ever because there are more games now. Also my point about only needing to win 6 games to make one of over 30 bowl games is also correct, so to say he was the first to lead them to back to back bowl games is not a major accomplishment. Pat Fitzgerald at NW had done it 5 straight years there before this past year and everyone compare NW and Vandy all the time. Fitz also had a 10 win season in 2012.

Go Bucks!

Buckeye5000's picture

P.S. You do know James Franklin has only beaten 3 teams with winning records, NOT RANKED TEAMS...WINNING TEAMS....in 4 years right?

Go Bucks!

RMBuckeye's picture

Do not consider them a rival but, love to beat them and quiet the "We Are" crap!

RMBuckeye007

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weare's picture

Don't look now but Penn State is taking some HEAVILY recruited Ohio State football players..By the way, WE ARE AND YOU'RE NOT...Hope you enjoy watching the back of Noah Spence's uniform on the bench..Oh yeah,,watch what happens to your program over the next couple seasons...You won't be so arrogant once the boys in blue knock the snot out of your high and mighty nuts..

SEE YA IN Happy Valley ..hahaha

PennState

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Johnny Ginter's picture

duuuuudddeee you really should be the absolute last person that wants to start bringing up scandals. noah spence, really?

Deadly Nuts's picture

63-14... talk about getting the snot knocked out of you.

LEBRON

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Buckeye5000's picture

"WE ARE AND YOUR NOT"  and we are SO HAPPY about that. I wouldn't want to be associated with supporting a pedophile.

Go Bucks!

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monkeybreath's picture

 Kind of wonder how long Buckeye fans are going to take to turn on the best defensive line coach in college football . The truth is Larry Johnson worked under Joe Paterno and associated with Jerry Sandusky in Lasch Building very frequently. So, if Joe Paterno knew about Jerry, it is also true that Larry Johnson did also . The Ohio State University hired Larry Johnson with the full knowledge of his association with Jerry Sandusky. I think Larry deserves to be respected by the Ohio State fans, I don't think calling him a past coach at Pedo State respectful. Do you ?  

go slip on a banana peel

KBonay's picture

Ask USC if it's easy to win with reduced schollys and 4 and 5 star recruits......
Lack of depth will hurt.

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MikeLew's picture

A rival is a team you want to beat above all others, and said team feels the same way about you. Most teams don't actually have a rival, and by definition no team has more than one. Penn State is not OSU's rival- that is Michigan.

 

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cdub4's picture

I disagree. A team can have more than one rival. I can think of multiple examples.

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CGroverL's picture

I HAD to roll my eyes at the SEC comment ESPECIALLY since speed was mentioned and most SEC teams COVET our Buckeyes' speed. It gave me the same feeling that I get when people automatically put Nick Saban as the best coach in college football. Those days are over....it just sucks that a non-Big Ten team broke the SEC's string of titles.....

Speaking of that title string: Now that it is over, does that mean that "SEC fans" will once again be Auburn fans, Mississippi State fans, etc. For the longest time they just rooted for their mortal enemies like idiots......Oops, did I say that out loud?

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

bleedscarlet's picture

I'm all for this. I'm not a big conference chest thumper but I tire of Buckeye B1G losses looking more like a let down by tOSU than a win by a worthy opponent. I itch for the anticipation of a B1G time match-up vs what we had going into the CCG, almost everyone considered that game to be a mere formality. We need B1G teams to challenge on the recruiting front, bowl wins and NC hunts, not for reasons of perception ( don't give a damn what someone in California or Georgia or anywhere else think ) but just to bring the hype and excitement for our own entertainment. If PSU leads the way for others to raise their game on a consistent basis then so be it... bring it on!!! 

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

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bleedscarlet's picture

On a side note... why does UM have to be our only rival? For me, it's giving them too much credit... they've always had ND and MSU as rivalries yet we've put our eggs in "THE GAME" basket only. Screw that, they are no longer worthy of being our sole rival. No other team could ever match the intensity of the UM rivalry, the history has already decided that, but it would be a fabulous slight to them if others stepped up and rivaled the importance of that game, especially since they've lost ND and have become MSU's punching bag. I'm all for kicking some sand in their face while they're down and in the age of the internet and satellite tv, there couldn't be a better time.

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Actually, I'm a little more annoyed that UK is targeting and getting some top recruits from Ohio, although I expect it's just an anomaly.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Why is it annoying? It's not as if they are beating Ohio State for those players.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

I wouldn't be so sure about that:

Of UK's 11 signees from Ohio, seven are ranked among the top 25 prospects in the state by Rivals.com

http://www.kentucky.com/2014/02/06/3073216/kentucky-football-breaking-do...

 

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

That didn't exactly prove me wrong. How many of them had an offer from Ohio State? One? That was Thaddeus Snodgrass. He tried to commit, and Ohio State did not accept it.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

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AeroBuckeye2001's picture

Serious question here, do Penn Staters find Franklin to be an upgrade over Bill O'Brien?

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

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DC-town's picture

I don't understand how 1. People don't give props to bill o'brien for taking penn state through their darkest time with 8-4 and 7-5 records...nor do I understand not acknowledging the job Franklin did at Vanderbilt, makin them a perennial bowl team in the sec (with strict academic criteria).

No one is saying either is better than urban, but lets not pretend like the recruiting they've done at both schools and winning with the challenges they've both had aren't impressive...don't get how that is lost on Osu or any other fans- 

'Piss excellence' -RB

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DC-town's picture

Ps- yes they're a rival...their fans are annoying as he11 and they play us close every year (okay not last year) and we're fighting for the same recruits as we speak- don't know why we have a hard time admitting that- 

'Piss excellence' -RB

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Seattle Linga's picture

I used to work with someone with a PSU license plate and all I ever thought about was this................

 

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Eph97's picture

Sad to say, but the scandal was beneficial for PSU in that it was a forced purge of Paterno and his entire regime. Otherwise, they might have been stuck with Paterno a few more years and a holdover like Tom Bradley after Paterno retired or died.

216ToThe614's picture

I will never, ever consider State Penn a rival to OSU. I want no association with their psychotic, backwards world they live in and I believe we have good secondary rivalries already established with Wisconsin and somewhat with Sparty (also with Illinois traditionally, really hoping they can get it turned around)

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

If you haven't gone, you must go to a game in HV - put it on your bucket list.  While the stadium is a gigantic tinker toy in the middle of a field and that silly lion roars constantly, it's actually A REALLY GOOD TIME.  The tailgating is spectacular - it's like it once was at Ohio State before the fans and the school ruined it for everyone.  My wife is a PSU grad and we always have a great time when we go.  Most folks are even cordial when I wear my O State gear....just go (and make sure you get sticky buns at the diner)!  

 

 

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cdub4's picture

Personally I consider PSU a rival to OSU, second only to Michigan. It may be because PSU was tough when I was a student, freshman year at OSU was the 14-63 debacle.

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wilkins0802's picture

I cannot consider PSU a rival...they are always great game but I think its a Penn St thing with the rivalry. I believe they think if that say it enough, everyone will believe it. I consider Wisky more of a rival than PSU. Just my opinion though. Glad to see Franklin doing a good job, but I fear he will bail to the NFL as he was already looked at for a few jobs. I could be wrong but he seems like the NFL is his ultimate goal.

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Patriot4098's picture

I think we're so high on our horse that we can't see a good thing coming. PSU is a football power house. They will remain in the top tier of destinations for coaches and players alike. They want us to be a rival because it makes sense. Forced or not, it makes sense. I think we need to embrace it, and stop this denial garbage. It is so obviously denial.

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

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CaliforniaBuckeye's picture

There is a big difference in a "Rival" and a "Conference Foe" The latter is what Penn St. is. They are in our conference a team we play once a year every year. Our rival is TTUN! Penn St. rival is PITT, it's not our fault they chose to cancel (or what ever happened to it) what was supposed to be a traditional battle, now they are scrapping around trying to find another one. I just don't see it... yes over all they have a historic football program, but that doesn't make them our rival, they are and always will be a "Conference Foe"

"The only way we'd get beaten was if we got a little fat-headed, if we didn't train right, if we had dissension on the squad." - Woody Hayes

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weare's picture

  We don't want Ohio State to be our rival. No way. We don't need to have a rival University with fans and players who think it is okay to mock and nickname a school Pedo State. We don't need to have our fans and players abused by YOUR fans IN YOUR stadium like I witnessed last year at the HORSESHOE>  just for the record our players  don't need to be spit on by your fans. We don't need to feel afraid to play in any stadium in the country especially one in the Big Ten. So,,count us out of your rivalry concept. WE DON'Tneed your disrespect. For the record,,it is THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY not PEDO STATE.

PennState

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Deadly Nuts's picture

1. You clearly want OSU to be your rival, that's why you guys camp out before home games against us.

2. Can you show me a link where an OSU player has called Penn State "Pedo State"?

3. It's next to impossible to spit on an opposing player in the Shoe, you would need incredible aim and power... The player are usually at least ten feet from the sideline. Is it really worse than throwing bags of piss at TBDBITL?

4. 63-14, goodluck next year.

LEBRON

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wilkins0802's picture

Apparently this guy doesn't know, there is only one "THE" anything and that's THE Ohio State University...butt hurt much?

216ToThe614's picture

Hey WeAre, I'm just gonna leave this here….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDiRPUiQZHc

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

UCBuckeye's picture

Great article and LOVED the spidey reference! 

GO BUCKEYES!

BuckeyeinExile's picture

I watched an interview of Franklin on BTN and he seemed very intense - personality wise he reminded me alot of Urban. It seems to me that with the four team playoff we would want Penn State and every other team to be as good as possible.

As for the rivalry issue, those are made, not created. When PSU joined the BIG a rivalry was forced on us - so I think we naturally detested it. Wisconsin was turning into a big rivalry before they moved divisions and Bert left. Sparty is definalty a current rivalry because of last year and the two top dogs on the block mentality. While our series with PSU is lopsided in the last decade or so we only have a 3 game advantage on them all-time. I distinctly remember attending some games in Happy Valley with my dad that didn't turn out well for us. The rest of the time we have played each other extremely close, usually within 10 points or so either way. Their students are kinda jerks, but what college kids aren't - I sure was arrogant about OSU when I was in Columbus and I went to Capital. While it may not be the Horseshoe and Script Ohio, and the Ramp Entrance and everything that makes OSU so special you have to admit Beaver Stadium and the whiteout are one of the next best things to experience as an objective fan of college football. I personally think he is going to a good job at PSU and they are going to begin to be the game we circle on the schedule in the near future, maybe not this year, maybe not the next, but soon after that. I think the fact that some OSU fans are so adament that it isn't a rivalry shows how much of one it is slowly evolving into.

- One last thing, please just stop with the pedophile references, it is not classy or representative of most of the people that are follwers of 11W, the people responsible for it are no longer part of their school, and it is disgusting to use such a terrible situation and its victims as a jibe.

 

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Patriot4098's picture

This^^^

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

Go1Bucks's picture

B1G football has always been hard nosed, in your face football.  SEC bs aside, I want PSU to compete.  As a PSU fan from before B1G membership, I hope them success, despite my despise for Franklin.

Go Bucks!