What does it mean? We're not sure, but we're taking the over.
Wow. It's like a double rainbow? But yeah, what does it mean?
Am I in the wrong by saying as long as he's not around the football team I'm good with it? That's awful of me to say, I know.
Some of you Fickell haters need a brain examination.
Please educate me......
when....exactly....has he excelled at his job ?
You mean other than being retained by Urban F. Meyer, a guy who knows a little bit about football and has an extensive coaching tree?
Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.
Or when he stayed to be the HC....
But no, he hasn't done anything good for tOSU
It burns.....or should I say, "it byrnes"
Thanks, DJ. Finally someone credible backing Fick. He's obviously had his issues but no one can say he hasnt been productive at OSU.
or that time when he coached 2x 1st team All American and #5 overall draft pick AJ Hawk, or when he coached 3x All American James Laurinaitis and All American Ryan Shazier who also has a very good shot of getting drafted in the 1st round in May. Should I keep going?
Luke has excelled at his job since he was a freshman. culminating in a huge game vs ASU in the Rose Bowl... while playing noseguard with a torn pectoral.
and he's done pretty good in his coaching career as well.
other than criticize and point fingers, what have the Fickell haters done for Ohio State football?
The haters are all f'ing Debbie Downers whose sole purpose in life is to be negative. Shitty life, I wouldn't have it.
"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck
If you have to be educated, not worthy of the time.
The sad thing is these people will be Fickell haters no matter what....and that's sad. Even if we go out and have top 5 defenses in the country for the next 10 years and Fickell still has his same title people will try to undermine his job and give credit to someone else, like Ash.
The "hate" for Fickell has reached a point of no return amongst the fan base, and really it's just the vocal minority. What was the biggest problem with the team last year? Secondary. Who was co-defensive coordinator and secondary coach last year? Not Fickell. It amazes me how many of you think you know more than Urban Meyer about coaching. If Urban felt like Fickell was THE problem he wouldn't be here.
Can we as a community put the Luke bashing on hold for a while. It's getting really, really old. Meyer made changes on defense. Let's let that play out and re-examine when there is actually something new to talk about. In the meantime, we have some basketball to watch.
A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore. - Yogi Berra
Well. That sure explains the defense so far...
I keed I keed
I agree with Fickell's defenders in this thread but your comment made me laugh. Well done and enjoy this upvote
I hope it's a better day than his last trip to Indianapolis proved to be.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
It took me a while to find him. Where is Mindy Drayer to diagram where he is sitting?
just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan
I know this keeps folks on your blog, but the "Fickell narrative" is getting nauseating.
At some point you have to go inward and find that soft, cry of conscience and go with it. I know it's a big step, and it asks you get out of our comfort zone, but try it, you may like it!
Besides, I'd hate for EW to become the first ESPN of Buckeye blogs ...
I don't know why some people think that coaches that are paid three-quarter of a million dollars per year are above questions about their job performance. It's part of the package and coaches understand that.
I love what Luke Fickell stands for and you'll find many words on this site saying as much. He's been the consummate Buckeye, but the defensive performance the past two seasons has been awful. There's really no other way around it.
So why do writers believe they're above criticism? Especially if they ask moronic questions like, "are you going to pass in practice" or "did you question your job security"?
I find it problematic that there was no questioning posed to Urban Meyer who (along with our offensive coach) consistently took our best player out of the game i.e. Carlos Hyde totally throwing off the balance of our team. And then we expected a depleted D to bail us out?
It's not a matter of pointing out that our defense was bad. There's no question here. It was bad. But it's definitely a problem when the Head Coach thinks that the QB is always the best player on the field. And this is in no way a smack against Braxton. I love that kid. But last year Carlos was our best player and he was the one we needed to give the ball when the game was on the line. We don't find it problematic that Urban Meyer and Tom Herman had a problem identifying the best player/go to player?
IF we're REALLY honest. We'll give props to our D who held us in the Wisky game, and to our D and Hyde who won the game for us in Northwestern.
IF we're REALLY honest, we can look to our offensive mismanagement of Hyde in both the Michigan game and the League Championship for the loss instead of taking the lazy- ESPN route in "hyping the crowd" with the Fickell narrative that seems to work for sales.
Good points, and I would have liked to have seen Hyde more in the B1GCG, like everyone else. But the fact remains the offense set records for yardage and points last season while the defense was the worst we've seen since before Tressel. Had the defense played like a typical Ohio State defense, this team is playing for, and contending for a national championship. It wasn't a one-year blip, either. The defense in 2012 was pretty terrible for Ohio State's standards, as well. This isn't hyping the crowd. This is real stuff you can measure with numbers.
Fickell probably does get more than he deserves at times, but again, that comes with the turf. He wasn't forced to take the job he has now – he chose it, knowing full well that he, like every other Ohio State coach that had come before him, would be open for criticism, should his unit not perform. This isn't new.
Finally, I take exception to the ridiculous notion that this is some kind of narrative that we're pushing for sales or pageviews. Like we meet once a week and plan to rip Fickell to drive up traffic or something. The fact is, while the forums of this site have been hard on Luke, the front page stuff from the staff has been more than fair with him, like we are with everyone else on the staff. Not once have you read anything on the front page of this site asking for Fickell to be fired, demoted or anything like that.
...and to add something else to what Jason said (which was all spot on, btw), I'm really tired of this common narrative that every member of the media is a whore for pageviews. Just because a given reader doesn't like a piece of news doesn't mean that item isn't newsworthy. An OSU football coach taking in an OSU roundball tournament game is something I would not at all find out of place in a Buckshot or Skull Session. The fact that it's Fickell means there are some added opportunities for humor, certainly, but this is no different than every Los Angeles Lakers telecast of my youth panning the crowd to see Jack Nicholson courtside.
People are too darn hard on the average reporter - while there are some magnificently horrible douchebags in the sports media (Clay Travis, Mike Bianchi, I'm looking at you), there are a lot of pretty darn good journalists, too.
I don't think that I uttered the words, "every member of the media ..." I get it. And I apologize if I over generalized. I actually like this Website. Some of the writers on here run over most of the so-called journalists in the mainstream media.
Having said this, I think I can go on yahoo.com right now and name 4-5 huge world and domestic events being reported that are suffering from false narrative. Don't get me wrong, I find your defense of your colleagues to be honorable and welcomed. However, I hope you're not suggesting to these kids that they should take for granted what they read and accept everything on the internet or on print as truth? Especially, in this day and age where everyone is a journalist and the precepts of ethical journalism are based on the moral tenants: "whatever feels good" and corporate sponsorship.
I don't think you're out of line by any stretch, Andre - I'm just saying that as a society we've probably now passed from an improved awareness of media bias and shenanigans (largely caused, in the opinion of this humble reporter, by some really irresponsible pundits on the 24-hour news channels; that's all I'll say in the spirit of the "no politics" commandment, which I totally support), to a state of seeing a boogeyman under every bed. There are several in the profession who should be prosecuted for media malpractice, for sure. It's just not a l l that widespread outside of the major sites/outlets dealing with anything remotely political.
I know for a fact that 11W paid Luke Fickell to go to Indianapolis so that they could write this article on him.
Our Honor Defend!
You're not going to get any argument out of me on how bad our defense was, nor our offensive numbers.
I think the biggest problem this past year for our beloved Buckeyes was not so much how well our offense played rather, how smart they played at times. In the Michigan game, and in BIGCG, they put up numbers, but they still didn't play so smart.
I don't know if you guys plan this or whatever. But I have noticed some pieces that resemble that of a 'hit-nature.' I just call 'em as I see 'em. Some of the stuff was blatant. My bad for assuming the worst ...
There are more coaches on the defensive side than just Luke Fickell. I doubt many posters in this forum were in the meeting rooms last season. Yeah we all wonder why our LBs and secondary struggled last year. You watch the games and you THINK you know who is responsible. You naturally want to think there's an easy solution... that if they just made a simple personnel move, voila... our Silver Bullets are back.
The truth is nobody really knows the nuts and bolts as to why our secondary got torched. Maybe the schemes were too complex. Maybe the players didn't play as expected. Maybe the gameplan didn't favor the strengths of the personnel. Maybe... maybe Withers was in charge... and Luke didn't always have the final call. Maybe that's why EW was the first to leave town.
There are a lot of considerations... I doubt many people have a clue. Pretty obvious the expert coaches who were in those meeting rooms each and every day seven days a week were not able to figure it out. Yet, half of the posters in this forum know exactly how to fix the problem. Totally obvious they know more about this team than Urban Meyer.
Doesn't matter how much he makes, or what his job description is... Luke doesn't deserve all the garbage he gets.
Personally, I don't blame anyone. Sometimes shit happens and you gotta deal with it. For those who feel the urge to criticize job performance... why don't you start with Meyer? He's the one in charge. If you want to get technical... the fact is we've had some great defenses with Luke coaching. We really didn't start sucking until Meyer came in. Meyer is in charge... he deserves the heat for job performance. There's really no other way around it.
I agree with your final paragraph. Meyer deserves some heat, too. Sometimes I wonder if he's not too focused on the offensive side of things to the detriment of the defense. However, the buck stops at the defensive coordinator. There's a reason Chris Ash was brought in and given a large role in the shaping of the defense. It wasn't because Luke was killing it.
And yeah, it does matter how much he makes. He's a state employee and one of the highest-paid assistant coaches in the Big Ten. He's absolutely fair game for criticism of his performance. Fans and the media have been criticizing Ohio State coaches forever. They will continue to criticize Ohio State coaches far into the future if warranted.
The "FIRE FICKELL" stuff is a bit much, but it's every bit acceptable to say the defense was awful the past two seasons and there should be accountability. This isn't Ohio Wesleyan.
Good points Jason... I have wondered if Urban was a little too focused on offense this season. Sometimes it seemed that way. Considering the defenses we have had over the last decade... who can blame him? He came in knowing he had some serious talent on the team, even after the 2011 season. He probably thought there was enough talent to stay respectable. Especially with the performances of a few of his first recruits (Spence and Diesel.)
We have always had the luxury of stifling defenses even in comparatively down seasons. Probably why there is quite a bit of vitriol on the subject this season... and why so many want to see Luke's head on a pike. (thought I'd drop in a Thrones quote) We are so accustomed to great defenses... the thought of an awesome Urban Meyer offense being overshadowed by a severely under-performing defense is too much to handle.
It will be fixed. I trust Urban... and I trust Luke. Looking forward to seeing last year's defense put on the 'Ash' heap of history.
Well, if Meyer's focus was entirely on offense then that makes me even more frightened. The use of Hyde this year was suspect and if they (Meyer and Herman) were "forcing something" out of game plan ideology instead of playing to player's talents then that, right there, is a glaring weak spot in the Meyer approach.
I mean, I know that Hyde was in the dog house a bit last year, but I'm pretty sure he stepped right out of that in the NW game, which he won on his back and with his contrition in the post game interview.
Also, how did the Ash hire all of a sudden become a "mafia-message" to Fickell? Until yesterday, Ash was hired to take on the D-Backfield.
I don't recall us ever having a great defense since Luke has been in charge. He may be a good coach. I don't think he is capable of running the defense.
"Did you push yourself to be great today? If you didn't do it you lost a day. We ain't got many days to lose. We're going to push your a$$ like its never been pushed because what you've got in you were going to find out" UFM
With Ash coming on board and Withers out, it'll be put up or shut up time for Fickell this year. It's hard to know what impact the Vrabel exit will have, but I do think that Fickell's contributions (or lack thereof) will show themselves this year. I for one want him to succeed famously.
The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.
Vrabel and Uban didn't see eye to eye.
I don't think there's a single person out there who is above questions about their job performance. That being said, this person only needs to respond to his/her superiors with valid and intelligent responses. This is exactly why I am humored by Fickell's "Did we win" and his last rambling. It's a giant " F-U, you're not my boss."
Did we win??? Did we win??? Did we win???
I have no idea why this comment got downvoted. I have nothing but love for Fick, but this comment (especially in the context of this particular Buckeye hoops team after facing Purdue) is hilarious.
These guys have no faith in Urban's coaching ability or the fact he knows what the problems are and how to fix them.
Bottom line is that I just want to win every single game from now until 2028. I really want to see Fickel do good but if he doesn't he needs to go. I know that he has did allot for this program in the past but the past will only take him so far. At some point this defense as a whole is going to have to get better. I hope Fickel does great this year so he can do what he wants like take a HC job.
He probably cares about the entire athletic program more than any of our other coaches. That's all I will say.
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So is it time for the next Fire Fickell thread?
I thought every thread was a fire Fickell thread...
This site is getting more like ESPN every day. Now we are getting Fickell sightings
Fickell is a true Buckeye and I'm sure the pressure he will put on himself to get the defense fixed will be much...much greater than anything that could be put on him by Meyer or the whole of Buckeye Nation.
this is fun....Jim Tressel is one row down on Fickell's right, John Cooper is one row in front of JT, Earle is five rows behind Luke's daughter, Eldon Miller is on the other side of the aisle, and Archie is two rows back.
it's Miller time....
Cabana, you missed Vrable middle left and AJ Hawke upper right. What a cool picture to get them all in one frame!
I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
It looks like the Iowa fan is trying to understand something Fickell is telling him.
"I'm having a heart attack!"
He is trying to figure out Fickell's explanation on why we did not cover their tightends.
I think it's cool as hell when the coaches from the football program support the school basketball program, and vice versa. C'MON EVERYBODY! SPIRIT FINGERS!
Awesome to see Luke out with the ol' lady and kids! Cut him some slack.
If the talent and inexperience from offense to defense would have been reversed these sites would be about bashing Herman. It's time to move forward.
A quick review of this thread shows that a picture of Coach Fickell at the basketball game turned into a bash Fickell thread by the second post.
And then it got pretty deep in a hurry.
Fick is a hell of a LB coach.I myself think the 6-7 effort he put forth back in 2011 could have been replicated by a chimpanzee with a whistle.Let him do the things he does best and thats recruit and coach AA LBers and everything should be fine. I think there is enough body of work to show he shouldnt be involved in any type of scheming or game planning on the defensive side of the ball. If the ship isnt righted this year Im totally in favor of cleaning house completely even if it means coach Coombs hits the road,a man I owe most of my success in life too.
I speak the truth but I guess that's a foreign language to yall.~~Lil Wayne
Was he your English teacher in high school?
Please go into detail about what exactly goes on in the defensive meetings over the past 10 years.
This fire Fickell sh*t is getting old fast. We all want the silver bullets to come back, but we don't know exactly who is responsible for what on the defensive side of the ball. He was in on some good D's and some bad ones; everything after that is all speculation on our part. We can give our opinion on coaches and that is fine, but I refuse to call for his head based on speculation.
"Getting old"? Sorry friend, it got old a long, long time ago...
The funny thing about these posts ALWAYS is that they get off subject quickly and they turn insulting and personal. I think the original post under the picture was, What does this mean ?
So I’ll leave my assessment of Fickell to the head coach who actually knows what he has in coach Fickell and support what he supports.
Back to the real subject. I think he is visiting 4 star Darren Kirkland MLB from Lawrence central. A very smart kid 6-2 220 sound familiar ?
Anyway, that could be why he is in town while taking the family on a recruiting and Big 10 tourney trip. Nice short trip from the bus fun for the whole family.