PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I thought Ohio State had a strong chance at him. What the heck happended?
Haven't heard that. Where did you hear that?
He named a top 5 at the Rivals camp in Chicago today. LSU is his leader.
Was OSU in the top 5?
No. I can't find the original source, but LSU, USC, Ole Miss, Florida, and Tennessee (ordered).
(From a high level perspectve) I've read forum posters here on 11W state that he prefers the "Southern" schools (i.e.SEC). He'd be great to have in this recruiting class but I won't complain one bit if our LBs include Berger (committed), Booker, and McMillan.
Best of luck to him in whatever school he chooses.
Yeah Garrett is a goner. I saw it coming for a long time to be honest. He'll be LSU or Ole Miss bound IMO. Most likely LSU.
who has the deepest pockets?
Why do we also have to resort to this?
Because maturity is hard
Actually we have much deeper pockets than either of those schools. Clearly that's not the issue...
I don't think anyone has a great story. I've heard that he prefers the south. I also don't think the staff has been talking to him in a while. I don't know which one caused the other, but it's also possible that he's considering the south more, because tOSU saw something they didn't like, and the rest of the schools he likes are down there.
Chicken and the egg, but he isn't coming here. (Winovich is the other name mentioned a lot now.)
Yeah speaking of Winovich, a few weeks ago I had heard that he was supposed to decide very soon, but he still hasn't made his decision yet obviously. Wonder what's up with his recruitment at this point. I was a bit surprised to hear that he was likely to commit to the Buckeyes soon considering he's not a high rated guy at all, but if the staff sees something in the kid then I trust it. Just have to wonder if he'll be deciding soon like it was recently reported that he would be. Gotta think he'll be a Buckeye if a decision does come anytime soon. Michigan is the other main competition for Winovich from what I've read, but Michigan is in a great spot to land a commitment from Kyron Watson instead. Watson is higher rated than Winovich, and what do ya know he's an ESPN 150 guy lol. All of Michigan's class could end up in the ESPN 150. Watson is supposed to decide at the end of May, and Michigan appears to be the place he'll announce for. In the end, one would think that would mean Winovich is going to a Buckeye since Michigan is in a better spot for a higher ranked prospect.
Winovich is visiting Ann Arbor on May 10th, Kyron Watson is visiting on May 20th. This is not a coincidence. It has been reported that Winovich is slightly higher on our coaches board than Watson. Winovich and Watson both know the situation. Winovich will presumably have until May 19th, nine days after he visits, to decide between OSU and Michigan. If it extends beyond the 20th, there is a high chance Watson takes the spot. So at this point, it can be said that Winovich is extremely high on you guys, but he is visiting Michigan once more to make a firm decision. I will be happy with either of the two. I'd slightly prefer Winovich because he looks to have a higher upside, and it would keep him away from OSU, but both look to be good prospects. If you are curious to hear anything else surrounding this situation feel free to ask.
Cool thanks for the info! It should be interesting to see how it plays out.
I'm still not sold on the fact that Hubbard isn't going to be an OLB at the college level. I know he has the ability to play a lot of places, but every single recruiting site seems to think that Hubbard is destined to be an OLB at the college level, and I still wonder if that's not where he is best suited despite his ability to play elsewhere. The LB situation/numbers in recruiting are confusing this year. Both Booker and Hubbard could be LB's or a different position such as DE or even TE/Star (Hubbard). It's really hard telling how many LB's the staff really wants, because some of these guys we don't even know if the staff sees them at LB or elsewhere. My guess is that the staff wants 4 LB's (Berger, McMillan, Winovich, and one of Hubbard/Booker).
Berger, Hubbard and now likely Winovich happened. It's no coincidence that his interest in OSU tailed off around the same time we got the Hubbard and Berger commitments. Hubbard is likely to play another position (I'd venture DE or TE), but as far as Garrett is concerned OSU has now taken two OLB's in this class with the potential to take another in Winovich.
I'd also heard for awhile that he may be more interested in playing MLB; can't speak to where LSU's recruiting him, but OSU has singularly focused on Raekwon McMillan at the MLB position for this class.
It's like Pocic all over again. A Core 6 kid who names OSU as the leader, then gets offers from SEC schools and bolts. But a linebacker class of McMillan, Berger, Booker, and Winovich is pretty great too. It'd be nice to have him for sure but it's not like we'll start going 6-6 every year.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Thought I had heard something along the lines of he took a look at the depth chart at OSU and didn't like what he saw. I could be wrong, but thought it had been mentioned here. He seems to be an extremely confident kid, and has designs on making an impact right away. Which is honestly not something I see possible for him at OSU. With the last two LB classes, and the expected haul this year, its more a numbers game for him than anything. Being our depth chart has a lot of young, talented guys, he sees that the better opportunity to make an early impact elsewhere. Just my opinion though.
Committing to tOSU is not for the faint of heart. There will be some serious talent on the roster come September. Urban demands great character as well as elite athleticism. I look at it the same as our elite military units. Not everyone will qualify and out of those that do, few will endure the demands placed upon them.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Yeah who knows, but you could definitely be onto something there. My guess is, that was one factor to go along with some others that ultimately dropped OSU from the picture.
Could this be the case for McMillan as well? Looking at the depth chart, and that we are also taking in some other line backers and is now looking else where so that he can play from day one? Or are you confident in McMillan being a buckeye?
As far as I've seen, McMillan is the only MLB we're going after, and besides people randomly freaking out, he seems high on OSU.
I'm no expert, but it seems like this happens between every visit. There's always buzz around him with other schools, but every time he gets on campus, he comes away saying tOSU is his leader. Like I aid, I'm no expert. And with him living in SEC country, I'm sure the everyday pressure from those around him gets pretty heavy. But I like the chances seeing as how he always comes from every visit with us in the lead.
Still have to like our chances with McMillan, but we also need to recognize that this one is far from over and he's not a given for this class. A lot can happen, and I don't see him deciding until around NSD so we are going to have to keep up the good work with Raekwon and hopefully he'll pick us in the end. I do feel better about getting Raekwon than I did about getting Vonn Bell, so that's a good sign.
I like the optimism, but this isn't a story of us falling off because he's gone on a few visits. He has been candid about the lack of communication with OSU and his draw to the SEC. He also discussed OSU's linebacker recruiting and having taken two good LBs last year and accepting two OLB commitments already for 2014. Finally, he went out of his way to do an interview with some random guy on twitter (MWRECRUITING1) to inform everyone that he does not have OSU as his leader and to list a new top 5. Never say never in recruiting, but this is as close as it gets.
apparently he's not fond of the Ohio weather
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
Living here and seeing it first-hand, consider the almost neutral recruiting buzz that Illinois has right now. When recruits like Garrett and Pocic and Treadwell begin looking, they seem to be immediately searching beyond their in-state B1G school; in due time, many are looking beyond the rest of the B1G as a whole. Obviously, nobody is hurt more than the Illini themselves, but the fence around Illinois has been trampled down so badly that anyone can get in and recruits are almost dared to leave and many feel little to no allegiance to stay in the Midwest.
Garrett is a hell of a player and, from all I've heard, a great kid as well. Best of luck to him.
McMillan & Booker please!
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I'm not sure why he has cooled off on us (or vice versa), but if he in fact looked at the depth chart and factored that into his latest announcement, it's better for both sides. He'll have a better shot at playing right away and we'll get a player who wants to compete against the best to earn that starting job.
I personally don't think that's the case with this guy, I think he just wants to play in warmer weather.
Don't even remotely care at this point. Plenty of options out there that want the spot, I'll take those guys.
I think something happened on his last visit to Columbus, there's been no news of staff contact since then. I even remember reading an article where Garrett said he wasn't hearing from the coaches anymore.
Basically we stopped recruiting him and now he's looking elsewhere.
I am just working off memory, but I believe your information is out dated. I had heard the no contact thing, then very soon after OSU was in for a visit and there seemed to be a bit more emphasis put that they were very interested still.
We really let a great prospect get away with Garrett. Fantastic hard-hitting LB with great manners work ethic and intelligence. Quintessential OSU LB imo. Besides Peppers, McMillan & Jones, the one I most wanted in this class. Still, probably a losing battle for some time. Based on interviews, he seemed high on the SEC schools even before his visits there. And he seemed to like Ole Miss and LSU a lot after visiting.
Depending on how matters progress, I still think we are in a very good position at LB. Johnson and Mitchell both have star potential, and with from Berger (already committed), we still have a good chance for McMillian, Booker and/or Winovich. And for what it's worth, at least Garrett does not seem inclined to consider our friends up north (wish I could say the same for Peppers).
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
Not surprised if he looked at the defense were running and didn't see a fit. We're basically running a 4-2-5 70% of the time now with 2 LBs. The competition for 2 spots is pretty crazy We have Shazier (2 more year elig but could leave after this year) Grant (2 yrs) Perkins (3yrs) Perry (3 yrs) Williams (3 yrs) Mitchell (4 yrs) Johnson (4 yrs) Worley (4 yrs could play STAR too), and in his class Berger, and McMillan (more likely than not)
The reason we're running a 4-2-5 is because we can barely put 2 good linebackers in the lineup. When we have 3, we'll play with 3.
That's actually pretty scary with an all-new defensive line- what happens when Wisconsin goes balls-to-the-walls for the run game and puts in 2 TE or something? Gotta get some decent LB in quick... is Urban considering bringing in a JUCO LB? if you're gonna take JUCO guys at all, this would seem to be a situation where it's warranted...
Wisconsin and other power running teams are why we will not be 100% in a 4-2-5.
I think that has a little bit to do with it but were mainly running the 4-2-5 for matchup reasons. Most teams aside from Penn St Iowa and Wisconsin run a 3 WR set and try to spread the defense out. We practiced the 4-3 so much last year and would have to switch to 4-2-5 so much last season it was evident we were having matchup issues with spread offenses. We're gonna run a 4-3 just probably only 30% of the time.
I think at times on this site we can get carried away. Yes our Bucks are one of the premier programs in the Country. Yes we get our fair share of recruits however not every recruit i.e. Garrett that chooses not to attend is due to the depth chart or we stopped talking to the recruit etc. The BIG is not a hot brand right now, with the exception of Urban and Hoke our prestige is down and SEC is booming, case in point solid programs in Bama, UGA, LSU, UF and rising Ole Miss and a resurgent Tenn. I just think its comical at times that we attribute it to the Depth Chart as if LSU is lacking in that department. As it has been said on these forums before top notch recruits do not shy away from competition many welcome it however many in the Mid-West will head south without hesitation.
Good points all. Garrett is not an Ohio kid, either, and so doesn't have a built-in bias, regardless of reports of how he or other recruits were "huge Buckeye fans growing up." They're impressionable and the SEC is a hot, hot commodity and brand currently.
I also agree 100%. Alabama would have no recruits if elite players were scared of depth charts. They are 3-4 deep at every position with 4-5 star recruits. Kids still flock there.
Airborne is SPOT on... Couldn't have said it any better myself...
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." -- Urban Frank Meyer -- I LOVE THIS DUDE!! :)
I can't get over the fact that Illinois has managed to lose so much ground in their own state. If they pulled in the majority of the top rated kids in state they would be in good shape. Every time we see a top rated kid from Illinois announcing his top five or final choice Illinois is not even in the discussion.
This fact is interesting to me, so I spent a few minutes digging around the 247 data base to uncover these facts:
--Since 2012 Illinois has had 3 in-state 5* players none signed with the Illini.
-- since 2010 Illinois has had 36 4* prospects, and the Illini have signed 1 of them.
-- since 2010 the highest ranked recruit within the state of Illinois to sign with the Illini is Aaron Bailey who was rated 6th in 2013.
-- the data base is very limited going beyond 2012, but in '12 the highest ranked in-state player to sign with the Illini was Vontrell Williams who was 16th.
--Early as it is for the '14 class, 7 of the top 15 prospects in Illinois have committed to schools other than the Illini. None in the top 15 has committed to Illinois.
A decent case could be made that after Ohio, Illinois produces the most football talent within the B1G. If they could sign HALF of those prospects they would be one of the top teams in the conference.
wow, this Garrett dude looks older than a high schooler!
I'm just happy to be here
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