PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Pretty shocked right now as all info was OSU lead. Props to Butch Jones but I doubt Urban gives up.
The curse of the hometown team strikes again (at least for now).
Uuuuhhhh I recall the twitpic of him and the girl he was with at UT. She must have sealed the deal.
I would like to see this kid in the scarlet and gray but best of luck. I'm thinking he should watch Vincent Smith get destroyed by Clowney because there will probably be a lot of that in his future at UT.
Probably a general statement you were making about SEC hits, but Clowney will be gone next year if you meant it literally.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
This is a huge pick up for UT. He has been a UT fan all his life and Hendersonville is only about 2 hours from Knoxville. A 5-7 season for the Vols could mean some late flips for them also. Gotta win on the field to keep producing in the recruiting game and I don't see them having a very successful season.
Can someone explain what Butch Jones is selling?
He is selling tradition. The spring practices and facilities have been loaded with former UT players hanging around. They also have a brand new $42 million dollar training facility that is unbelievable. You can also look at their roster and understand that there is early playing time up for grabs if you work hard. College football goes in ups and downs. UT is on the way back up... In recruiting... They'll have to produce on the field.
Remember... Urban said early commitments mean you make their top 3.
Not just that, but all of that IN THE SEC.
I get some of that but UT has been barely competitive in the past 10 years and almost every top program has great facilities. This year I see at least 5 losses on their schedule; at Oregon, at Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, at Alabama. This doesn't even count their other SEC games that are probably toss-ups for them. I understand wanting to play and having that chance but Hurd and Kelly, Jr. are the types of players who could have gone anywhere and had the chance to make an impact.
It isn't about the past 10 years. Kelly is a legacy so it was going to be hard for anyone to pull him away from UT. These kids are going there because they grew up watching UT football and it's close to home. Not everything is about winning to them. They get a chance to run out in the Power T and play close to home every Saturday. I understand why Hurd and Kelly pulled the trigger for UT. Plus, I saw Butch Jones speak in Nashville a few weeks ago and he emphasized winning the state of TN, so these kids are priorities to him.
Bingo. Let's not forget, if Vonn Bell was a 2014 prospect (instead of 2013), he would have committed to Butch Jones, for the same reason Hurd just committed. Why? Jones has been a LOT more active than Derek Dooley ever was on the recruiting trail. Sure, Jones is selling facilities, fans, and the SEC, but he is also pushing tradition and the allure of immediate playing time. Heck, Tennessee has a terrible backfield, and Hurd has a great chance to start at tailback in 2014 (plus he will enroll in January). Guys like Hurd, Kelly, and Bell are/were UT fans growing up, and that certainly makes a big difference when it comes to recruiting.
I think the most bizarre thing about Hurd's commitment is that it completely contradicts his comments back in December about the idea of playing for Tennessee (he wasn't old enough to remember their 1998 title). I think the presence of Butch Jones really made the difference in his recruitment.
It is like a powderkeg down here in Knoxville. Fans have been dying to win again, and if Butch Jones has any success this year, this fanbase is going to go ballistic. He's off to a pretty good start.
"Without winners, there wouldn't even be any god-d*mned civilization."
Good points from you and OSUNut2.
I do not have the vantage point of having watched and/or listened to Butch Jones speak. My only impression of him is from t.v. sideline shots during games or photos on the web/in newspapers. In person, or while speaking, he might come across as a really solid guy.
But when I look at his face, I see a used car salesman who is just not right in the head. He reminds me of the guy who lives next door to you for five years and then, one day, you find out that he's been molesting cats or something.
I understand the pull for playing for a hometown team and I guess my original post was less about Hurd and Kelly Jr. and more about hearing UT being thrown around by a bunch of recruits this year. To me it is turning into the Ole Miss of this year.
As to your point about it not being about the past 10 years, I have to disagree some. For many of us, we can remember UT being relevant. But these kids are 17-18 years old which means they were 3-ish years old when UT won a National Championship and 7-8 years old away from when they were competitive on a yearly basis. It is the same way we look at a lot of other programs (especially in the B1G).
EDIT: Also as Buck in SEC reminded me, Urban won't let this one go just yet.
Jalen is solid to UT. Urbie should move on to someone else.
That is a good post. Everything in college football goes in cycles. Florida State had their run of 14 years, my team (Nebraska) is trying to overcome horrible head coaching hires that basically put things in the gutter, Miami is still trying to come back, Alabama will eventually fall down from the top, etc, etc, etc. UT was a top program when I was growing up as a child and have been down in the dumps for most of my adult years. Maybe they are on the way back up?
Nebraska fans are among the best in sports - welcome to 11W!
Good points, but I feel like the math is different these days in the SEC compared to the 80s or 90s. Yes, it's quite possible that UT will rise back up again. But, then, UT's resurgence will be at the expense of other current SEC East powers on the field and in recruiting - FLA, UGA, South Carolina. Not to mention that a resurgent UT will occasionally add a cross-divisional loss for a Bama, LSU, Tex AM, etc.
Part of the reason that UT went down is that their fans/boosters were impatient with 8-5 seasons under Fullmer. Well, if a couple of has-been powers like UT go back up, the fans and boosters of other SEC programs will be unsatisfied with the few extra losses and 8-5 seasons and will run their coaches out of town, too.
That's why I'm ultimately not that worried about the SEC arms race (although I am somewhat worried). The SEC has nowhere to go but down at this point, even if schools like UT and Auburn rise back up. No matter how much money they spend on coaches and facilities, they have to divide 56 total conference wins by 14 teams (four wins per team) in a conference in which per team fan/booster expectations average out to about 6 wins per team.
Granted, there are two schools willing to play doormats - Vanderbilt and Kentucky - but that's not enough. The SEC is flying too close to the sun and one day soon I'll enjoy watching its wings melt off, even though the fall will only be temporary.
In contrast, sooner or later, Nebraska will benefit from the Husker football culture simply being on a much higher level than what's at Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota and the like. The equilibrium of expectations in the Big Ten is more sustainable over the long run.
wow, kind of shocked there.... but still a long way to go... I hate early commits when they are not for the bucks, haha
blah...im sure the staff will still go after him, hell I imagine Urban might just give him a call today..but it also might be time to turn the heat up on option #2 (who ever that might be)
Exactly. He is selling early playing time in the SEC at a school rich with tradition. You may be shocked to read this, but for most recruits, winning a National Championship isn't that high on their priority list when choosing a school.
Long way to signing day. OSU will not stop recruiting him one bit...
If he stays home...then so be it. can't fault him at all...I am glad the osu staff pounced on Campbell because he looks to be a real steal...kid is blowing up
Plenty of options out there at RB to get another on
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Hurds comments certainly make him sound very solid and Kelly is saying he is getting this thing rollin' and getting other recruits to join him via twitter.
*whatever back they take this year
You had me at Dunn. You had me at Dunn.
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
Have fun in the basement of the SEC. We'll get recruits that want to be champions.
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
I really really hate when people say things like that. ^^
And before you ask. No I am not one of the four that downvoted you though I thought about it.
If you look at their schedule they'll be towards the bottom of the SEC next year. Going to be a lot of young guys on the field for UT. 2-3 years from now they might become relative, but we have to remember that UF, UGA, and USCe all have their foundation in place and are still recruiting at a high level. UT is having to rebuild.
Why do you hate the truth? Look what UT has done the past several years and tell me Im wrong. And if you disagree with me then you should downvote me. Thats why the system was implemented. Im saying what I believe needs to be said.
I have nothing against the kid for committing to UT, but I chuckle at the fact that he did. UT will lose 5+ games year in and year out and wade in mediocrity. If he wants to be a part of that then so be it. I think people have a misconception that when I post stuff like this I am attacking the kid. Of course Im not doing that. People need to lighten up.
It's probably because the way you word things make you sound like a whiny little beach, so you lighten up.
How am I whining by making fun of UT exactly? Your ad hominem arguments do not hold up very well.
It's probably because the way you word things make you sound like . . . beach
It's probably because the way you word things make you sound like . . . beach
He sounds like Bradley "Beach" Roby?
And if you disagree with me then you should downvote me. Thats why the system was implemented.
And if you disagree with me then you should downvote me. Thats why the system was implemented.
Actually, the system is abused that way. The point of downvoting, as I understand it, is to check troll-like, incendiary posts --you know, like posts that mock high school kids for their college decisions.
How is mocking a high school kids choice of schools incendiary exactly? I think some people on this website are too thin-skinned and come to the defense of "kids" that can make decisions for themselves just fine. How about you stop accusing people of trolling and add something relevant to the topic of this thread.
How is mocking incendiary? I'm pretty sure that is the whole point of mocking; you remember the whole nana nana boo boo thing?
And I promise my next post will be more relevant. Maybe I'll tell Jalen Hurd to have fun losing because he's a big loser-head. That's relevant, right?
I for one do not consider playful mocking incendiary. Ever heard of ignoring someone? You should try it instead of getting all hot and bothered by what someone says on an internet message board.
Not hot and bothered at all, just having fun playfully mocking you.
To be perfectly honest, I think Mr. Hurd and his 6'3 210 frame would get pretty hot and bothered if you had the gall to playfully mock him to his face. Free Speech and what not, but if you wouldn't say it to their face why say it on the Internet? It might be playful, it might be incendiary, but it's always unnecessary. Wish the kid well, move on to the next one...
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
Who says I wouldnt say it to his face? He probably would just shrug his shoulders and walk away. And you think you're cool by calling me an "Internet Tough Guy". Maybe you're the "Internet Tough Guy" for insulting me via the Internet.
He might, or he might punch you square in the jaw. Never know.
Maybe the kid wants to help rebuild his favorite team into a champion. Is he delusional? Maybe. We'll find out. But there is no reason to believe that he doesn't want to be a champion.
While I agree with this sentiment RDUBS the point I am making is that I think the kid is being fed a line of crap from Butch Jones. This is just what I believe. Its embarrassing for people on this website to attack me for simply stating my opinion but its what Ive come to expect. People just take things too personally sometimes.
I don't really feel like downvotes should be used just because you disagree with something. For me it is a tool designed to combat trolling. In this case, your original comment wasn't really trolling anyone (I have not read any farther than this post but I can see there has been some back and forth going on) it was just something I don't like.
@GraySkullSession... I'm not really sure why you got hammered with the downvotes... UT has been at the bottom of the SEC for some time now. Personally, I took your comment as a poke at UT, not at Hurd.
Sadly some people on this forum think they need to come to defense of a high school kid being mocked on an internet message board. Ive given up trying to understand it.
I've given up trying to understand what good it does mocking high school kids on internet message boards.
Best of luck to him. I'd be ecstatic with Campbell and Autrey in this class.
This would have been a great pull but not surprised. Jones had to get this kid and they have been putting on the full court press.
I know it's a long way to signing day but I really wanted this kid he looked great in his videos I hate to see that he has committed to UT. I hope this is not a result of the rape stuff that's going on.
You had to bring that up? I highly doubt it had anything to do with that.
Two blondes were driving to Disneyland. The sign said: Disneyland Left... So they started crying and headed home.
I thought we were in the lead for this kid and now all the sudden this kid commits to UT not saying it is the reason just saying I hope that its not. I hate that this has happened but the kids have to be punished for what they did or kid sounds more to me like it was just 1.
As far as Ohio State goes, sure it looks like you guys may not land the guy near the top of your board, but you guys will land a solid RB. There are many solid RBs out there.
Plus we already have Paris Campbell - pretty solid indeed...
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Go ahead and give me Nick Chubb and either Miles Autry or Jonathan Haden. I'll take a big back and small back in this class.
*Remembers it's Mar 2013 and not Feb 2014*
Not upset. When tennessee goes 5-7, he'll change his mind.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
He will not change his mind. He's all vol. IMO
It's too early to say that.
I really wanted Hurd in Columbus but RB is not a position of need this recruiting class. I wish the kid all the best and I'm glad he chose Tenn. instead of some other SEC school. Now if the Buckeyes lose Raekwon or Clifton, then I'll worry. Best of luck to you, Jalen
Even if OSU misses on the big name LBs you mentioned, I don't think there is ever a need to worry at a place like OSU---especially when Urban is on the sideline. Disappointed, maybe, but the brand, the coach, and success is an automatic top 10 recruiting class.
sometimes you really make me wonder if you're a closet OSU fan haha
I agree completely with your analysis, Hail. I worried more about losing a recruit when Tressel was coach, than I do now.
Would still love to have Hurd, if Urban can change his mind, but he's not the only RB out there. I admire a kid that likes to support his hometown/ home state team.
I would bet when a kid gets a letter in the mail from Ohio State/Urban Meyer, that that kid has to know he's made it to the "big leagues."
Many times, I think some of these other schools wait to see if OSU offers before they offer a kid. As if to say, "Hell, since OSU offered, maybe this kid is really pretty good."
Best of luck to the kid. I hope he does well.
However, even from the viewpoint of a Buckeye fan, it really is a win-win situation for all parties involved. This young man gets to go to his dream school (how many HS football players can truly say that?) and the Buckeyes will get an opportunity to get another talented RB who buys into Urban's program 100%. In the end, that is what everyone wants.
If this commitment sticks after they lose 7+ games this year I'll be surprised.
Read my post from earlier talking about the commitment not being about wins and losses.
These are the records since Hurd was in 8th grade. He has seen the struggles of UT and still committed to them. He isn't committing to them based on wins and losses. He committed to them based on tradition, what Butch Jones is selling, proximity to home, and childhood favorite. I saw Jones talk in Nashville and he was a pretty charismatic speaker. Is he even on the level of Meyer and Saban in recruiting? Absolutely not... But he understands that recruiting is about relationships and his mission is to win the state of Tennessee. I don't see them being very successful this coming year, but I believe kids will continue to buy into what he is selling.
If I remember correctly, Hurd did say in Feb that the W-L in the 2013 season would have an impact on his decision.
A month ago he was pretty much an OSU lock...
He is also selling a chance to rebuild their favorite program. If OSU struggled like that for 4 years and you were a high school All-American would you not still want to go to OSU?
Disappointing, but good luck to Hurd.Can't blame him for staying home!! We still have Paris and hopefully Autry!!
Give me Nick Chubb and Autry to finish out the RB's in this class. I could see Autry committing on his visit in April.
Darn tootin'! I'll take Paris over almost any RB out! He's got a very, very high ceiling - he's running like a grown man at the age of 15...that said, it hurts to lose out on Hurd.
Wow...shocked too. Long way till national signing day though...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Won't go until NSD... He is enrolling early.
Best of luck to the kid I bet Urban will keep on him and get him to come visit
I know it's early, but this is very bad news...
Is it? I'm not so sure. Like others have said. If Tressel were coach, this probably would've been bad news (and I LOVED Tress as coach). But we have a new coach now who is an amazing recruiter and if he doesn't flip Hurd, I have no doubt in mind he'll find a very suitable replacement.
You have to remember that there are other highly rated recruits out there that are not committed and have interest in us. Also remember that not all highly rated recruits turn out to be the best players. I have all the faith that we will still find a running back who will be a star at OSU.
If there's one thing I never worry about, it's that Ohio State will find someone who can run the ball.
Lots of fish in the sea.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
I think we are fine with Campbell at the very least. I would easily put Campbell up against Hurd.
not really that bad of news unless you were being sarcastic.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
It's bad news, just not devastating news.
despite OSU being the obvious better team, Hurd will more than likely step into UT as the starting tailback. I doubt they will have anyone better than him at that point. At OSU, he would have to compete with talent that would be equal to or better than him. and I am only talking about what is currently on the team with Dunn, Eze, Ball, Wilson. He might not even be better than Autry, Campbell and whoever else might commit this year.
Honestly I am satisfied with just Autry (I think Urban will get him, no doubt) and Campbell. If Joe Mixon might come on board too, that would make me ecstatic! Kid is a beast!
Good luck to Hurd at UT. Can't have them all and I am not totally surprised due to the depth OSU has at each position that some of the best kids might not want to compete against that. Nothing against their abilities but some just feel they have a better shot at schools like UT. We are very lucky to be able to say that losing a kid like Hurd wouldn't hurt OSU that much. He is probably 1 of 5 kids in this class that Urban really wants. Probably the greatest thing about offering so many players like they are doing.
I am shocked and disappointed that he committed to UT. While a lot of people on here are saying that all these other recruits are better, there is a reason this kid is a 5* and one of the top ranked RB's in this class. We all thought he was great when he was a potential lock to us so I don't see how that changes. This kid looks good. However, the one consolation I can see is we can land another RB that is only slightly below Hurd.
Tennessee was the IT program right around the turn of the century, and will be back to the top 15 shortly if you ask me. It is similar to me when Bama was down, it was temporary, or Michigan or ND...those programs rebuild quickly and get it together. They had a "rich-rod" period at UT. That is nothing against Rich Rod I just think he wasn't the right fit at Michigan
Best of luck to the young man... I thought he was going to wear scarlet and gray, but I guess, as of now, I was wrong.
Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...
Yeah I don't think anyone is discounting how good of a player Hurd is but instead to make it sting less we are moving on to other guys. Joe Mixon is at the top of my RB list now
Along with like 42 other schools. Well, I guess 15, now, since that's his most recent cut. I think he stays out west, personally.
Thank you for your personal opinion and input.
Best of luck to him. Personally I can't blame him I am sure there must be a lot of pressure being an in state kid to go there, Vol Nation has some... err... umm.. passionate fans . Not to mention getting a new coach, in addition to all of the money that alumni have been pouring in there must make it an easier choice. All signs point to them rebounding to at least being respectable in the near future.
Now not to be that guy who claims we didn't want him any way.... but as talented as he is as an athlete there are other guys in the class (Nick Chubb, Elijah Hood, etc..) who I think would be a better fit at running back. I think Hurd would have ended up playing H in our system and after getting in Mariotti's weight room I think he could have been to big to excel there, personally I prefer guys with size like Hall, Wilson, and Marshall to play that position but thats just me. Hurd obviously has speed to burn, is a great get for UT, and deserving of his 5 stars, but his tape to me makes him seem like a one cut and burst guy rather than a guy who has a little more wiggle, which I prefer.
I'm very surprised he committed to UT, especially so early, for 2 reasons:
1) Despite being the hometown team, OSU has (or had) been the clear leader for a while.
2) When Hurd went on an unofficial visit to Tennessee last month, which included a basketball game, he said he had a great time, etc. talking to Butch Jones, etc. but the visit didn't have any impact on who his leader still was. That's what confuses me.
I am confused as to where the comments of "he's an OSU lock" come from. It seems this kid was an OSU lock all the way up until the time he committed to UT. Did this kid specifically say that or was it just an intuition from others?
Here's the story from the paper in Nashville regarding Hurd's commitment this morning to UT:
People forget what winning does, after all the coverage we get going undefeated again, half if not more of the prospects were after will be bucks, constant winning and tv coverage, unbeatable recruiting tools, and Meyer is a master at getting both....I mean c'mon should I go to avg tenn or 24-0 osu hmmmmm well maybe ill change my decision....yup
He picked average Tennessee so I fail to see your point.
Breana Dodd Wins! (Dang that hot lil' blonde...)
LOL. Wow. Excellent recall! I completely forgot about the cute blondie. Apparently, Jalen Hurd (and GOBUCKS96) did not.
I just came to man up and eat crow because I definetly thought he was all buckeye. This goes to show how tricky recruiting can be.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
Real kick in the gut. I definitely think regardless of what many outsiders think, it was clear to me based even on Rod Smith's limited action in the offense last year (especially the TD run against Nebraska) that someone with Hurd's running style would have the potential to be very dynamic in the offense. Very reminiscent of Eddie George imo. Very disappointing, but it's not over till he signs the paperwork.
Plenty of other great backs in this class that OSU has a great shot with. Does hurt a little because Hurd was definitely our #1, but we will definitely be able to move on. Besides, signing day is a long time from now and if Tennessee has a bad year again (which I expect) then OSU will have a great shot to win the man.
Best wishes to Hurd. Personally, I appreciate it when a young man makes his choice, whether it is OSU or not. While I always prefer s recruit to be a Buckeye, it does move the process along. UT is a great place for Hurd for many reasons and we are just now one recruit closer to filling out next year's recruiting class. Go Bucks!
Kinda shocking, I had a good feeling about this kid , best wishes to him . It will be interesting to see if we have a legetiment shot at Joe Mixon his highlight video really stands out.
Let the season play out. If we make a run at a National Championship and the Vols only win 4 or 5 games it may change everything.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
Wow, didn't see that coming. Sucks, but gives another kid a chance to come to OSU. And it is only March. :)
Sucks to not get Hurd, but i think we still have a chance as Tenn will need an Urban-like turnaround to live up to these lofty expectations in year one.
If there is anything of note to come out of this, i found an interesting quote by Orlando Brown Jr referencing Hurd's commitment.
"I'm hearing a lot of good things from other recruits," said multi-offer offensive tackle Orlando Brown Jr. of Suwannee (Ga.) Peachtree Ridge, who is heading to Knoxville on Saturday. "It's almost like it's one of the places to be right now. Like Ohio State."
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